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Morning links: High-rise hotel planned near Centurylink

Post by Eric Williams on June 6, 2012 at 6:38 am with 46 Comments »
June 6, 2012 6:38 am
An artist's rendering of Stadium Place, viewed from the north with CenturyLink Field behind it. The proposed second phase is left center, with the hotel tower in front. (Courtesy of the Seattle Times)

Eric Pryne of the Seattle Times reports that two developers, American Life and Daniels Real Estate, will work together in building a 23-story hotel with 16,000 square feet of shops and restaurants, a 376-stall garage and a health club.

A 170,000-square-foot office tower would be added later. The group plans to break ground on the hotel project in the summer of 2013.

According to the report, American Life, Sodo’s biggest property owner, plans to finance the hotel/office complex by raising money from wealthy foreign investors who can get permanent U.S. residency in return for their dollars under a little-known federal program.

The project could help in Seattle’s grass-roots attempt to secure a Super Bowl bid down the road, increasing the available hotel space next to the stadium.

Here’s my story on Seattle’s OTA violations.

Clare Farnsworth of Seahawks.com reports that fullback Michael Robinson will be one of 23 current and former NFL players participating in the sixth annual NFL Broadcast Boot Camp at the NFL Films headquarters in Mt. Laurel, N.J., on June 18-21. Robinson has established the Real Robinson Report, a behind-the-scenes look at NFL locker rooms on YouTube.

More Farnsworth: He profiles offensive lineman Breno Giacomini, who has worked his way into the starting right tackle job.

ESPN’s Mike Sando takes a look at Seattle’s backup quarterback plan.

Vinnie Iyer of the Sporting News ranks Brandon Browner as the ninth best cornerback in the league.

More Iyer: He ranks Earl Thomas as the third best safety in the league. Kam Chancellor comes in at No. 7.

Former NFL cornerback Wade Davis, who spent some time with the Seahawks, talks about what it was like being gay and playing in the NFL. Davis came out after his NFL career was over.

Matt Bowen of the National Football Post discusses how to defend the bunch look ran by many offenses in the NFL.

Pat Kirwan of CBS Sports writes that the number of holding calls have went up with the number of passing attempts the past five years.

Bill Barnwell of Grantland takes a closer look at the myth of HBO’s Hard Knocks derailing an NFL team’s season. Barnswell comes to the conclusion that there is no curse.

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  1. jboard1 says:

    I wish the stadium still read “Seahawks Stadium”

  2. GREAT!!! Even less parking on game day.
    Project will bring in the Super Bowl? PLEASE

  3. RDPoulsbo says:

    That has to be the worst development idea possible in the SoDo area. First, they want to remove the parking lot to fill it with tenants who will need more parking space. Second, the open north side of the stadium was done specifically so fans can have a view of the Seattle skyline, not some high-rise right in their face. Third, the additional traffic will cause all the problems the Port and the Mariners were warning about from a new area 10 fold. This needs to be nixed quickly.

    It’s really hard to know what exactly went on during the OTAs. If it is what Eric describes in his article, perhaps it can be mitigated by allowing teams to punish players who go over the line in practice. Since OTAs have mostly been voluntary and involve players who won’t see a roster. I’m not sure how that punishment would work, but teams have to be given tools to keep from getting the league to come down on them. I wonder if there’s an appeals process for this kind of thing.

    Not to tak anything away from Browner, but I don’t understand why he gets all the accolades when IMO, Sherman is the best CB on the roster. I don’t want to get too much into the stats, but Sherman’s had fewer starts and his stats are just as good…and he wasn’t the 2nd most penalized player in the league last year.

  4. chuck_easton says:

    Poulsbo,

    Browner gets the accolades due to his performance last year. He came out of nowhere, started the entire season, and made the pro-bowl.

    Pretty much every beat writer that covers the Seahawks on a regular basis has said that Sherman is on pace to join the other three pro-bowlers.

    Clayton has even said that Seattle has the best secondary in the NFL.

    Sherman gets his props this year after playing a full season of shutdown (but not shutup apparently…) corner.

  5. Dukeshire says:

    Well, apparently my favorite walk in sports, from FX McRory’s to the stadium, will soon be a thing of the past. Good thing too; my family, friends, and I have been making that walk on game days for only 30+ years. Now everyone will have to do a walk-around… should be fun.

    And I wonder who the “wealthy foreign investors” are. I presume a Chinese contingent. They have not just been loaning us money, but are taking the American dollars they have a massive surplus of from all the exports, and using it to buy American real estate under subsidiaries here. I’d be interested to know…

  6. That should be nice for the view.The walk downtown after a nice win is/was an awesome top off to a great game experience.

  7. rramstad says:

    Guys, we can’t complain about game day traffic, and then get upset when the city approves high density development. The whole idea of a modern city is to use a small amount of land intelligently, so the transportation footprint and the money, time and gas used to move around, is minimized.

    When the stadium was redeveloped, this was ALWAYS on the drawing board. It wasn’t clear the exact shape, or height, or size, but it was going to happen. It would have happened earlier except for the bad economy… but a lot of projects planned five or so years ago are finally starting, investors are tired of the bad returns in the stock and bond markets, and even with the poor showing of residential real estate in the last five years, commercial real estate is a fairly good bet… at the least, it’s a diversification in the portfolio.

    I think this will be a net win for the area, for sure, and while it might be a slight inconvenience on game day, that’s 10 days out of a year.

  8. Dukeshire says:

    I do agree that this will be a financial win for the city. Progress…can’t stop it.

  9. dacmike says:

    If people are getting angry over less parking think if they get a new sports arena for basketball?

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7779736/traffic-impact-possible-seattle-basketball-arena-studied

  10. chuck_easton says:

    It would give us out of towners a nice place to stay and still be within walking distance of the field.

    Try finding a nice hotel in downtown Seattle that is close enough to the stadium to walk (or catch public transit) and still feel safe!

    After last years game my son and I walked back to our hotel and were offered drugs, solicited by ladies of the oldest profession, and asked if we had any drugs to sell. It was quite an eye opener for my teenager who has grown up away from that life, but he took it in stride and was even gloating that the women thought he was over 18.

    I could imagine a family with young children going through that gauntlet.

  11. RDPoulsbo says:

    I don’t think the problem with traffic isn’t so much with game days. I’ve always taken the ferry and walked to the stadium. If I’m going to the game, I want to enjoy some drinks, so driving is out of the question. The traffic issue would be more of a daily issue because you’re throwing in additional people and cars right in the middle of where the on/off ramp for 5, 90, the viaduct (soon to be tunnel) and West Seattle Bridge all come together. Add in the trains and port traffic and it’s already an area with congestion problems. Perhaps once all of the road upgrades in the area get straightened out, it’ll make more sense. As of now though, even with the improvements that came at the same time as the stadium, it’s a mess. The new arena would mean additional traffic during times off peak times. A high-rise would mean adding to the traffic problems when they are at their worst.

    I could think of several other sites to build a high-rise that would have less traffic impact than that location. I guess the selling point is you get a free view of the games.

  12. Dukeshire says:

    Good point RD, the day to day. I live in Portland, so for me, I just scoot up on the train. Couldn’t be more convenient.

    Ever since the Kingdome was built, that area has *always* been a cluster, regarding traffic. Just awful.

  13. dacmike says:

    chuck_easton, I have stayed at the crown plaza multiple times with no issues. It is fairly close about 5+ blocks from the stadium. I have drove the I5 from Portland to Seattle to many times to count for Seattle games. I would take more traffic if a new sports arena could be built if Seattle got another NBA team.

  14. Silver Cloud is pretty good. A little expensive, but has a nice bar and restaurant downstairs plus parking.

  15. HawkfaninMT says:

    I always stay down south near the airport and ride the light rail up for the games. Southcenter has a Hampton if you are looking for convenience and lower cost.

  16. how many cars fit in safeco?

  17. northlot_rv says:

    I always thought the idea of a condo next to a train station was stupid
    until I saw the hotel idea. The trains runs all night. I’ve been a season ticket holder since 1984 and my wife and I bring our camper to every game. There will only be suite and club car parking available in the north lot. I have charter seats and part of the justification for the expense was the game day experience of being at the stadium early and staying late to avoid traffic. No one from the Seahawks has addressed where they intend to park the motor homes. There has been an effort to discourage RV parking even though they are charging $125.00 per game (pre-season too). This development is crazy.

  18. Why would wealthy people want US citizenship? I keep hearing how we’re the highest taxed country for rich people and the job creators are leaving the US in droves.

    /pot stirred
    // :D

  19. Dukeshire says:

    The US doesn’t come close to touching most European countries, regarding tax rates. We have one of the lowest rates,

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/investopedia/2011/12/01/countries-with-the-highest-and-lowest-taxes/

  20. Nice work Duke! Way to squash that whole theory. I’m with you not that we should turn this into a political forum or anything.

  21. And to add to Duke’s point, Federal Tax Receipts as a percentage of GDP are at a 60 year low.

  22. HeinieHunter says:

    I hadn’t thought about the view of the Seattle skyline being cut off. That’s enough to kill the deal for me! I’m all for adding the NFL/NBA arena south of Safeco to form a sports “complex” in SODO. Very unique to have all your stadiums in the same area. My cousin and his wife, from Los Angeles, visited downtown Seattle last year when there was a Saturday night Seahawks pre season game and Safeco was open for football festivities. They still talk about how cool it was to be in Pioneer Square with both stadiums open and abuzz. They were lamenting how spread out the sports arenas in LA are. We have something very unique going on down in SODO. We need to be careful that developers don’t screw it up just to make a killing. IMO the new proposed arena is for the enjoyment of the fans and will add greatly to the SODO area.

  23. I really like the area with respect to the stadiums in Seattle. You can go to a place like Philadelphia, where all four of its major teams share an area, but it’s rather stale. It’s just a bunch of stadiums, but the ball park and stadium in Seattle are neatly tucked into the city. It makes for a great atmosphere.

  24. bird_spit says:

    I think I just read a script of a CNBC discussion. GDP/Foreign Tax rates, repatriation of money, real estate investments…next we will be talking quant algorithms, geez.

  25. I too travel hundreds of miles to games. Stay overnight in camper and tailgate before games, hang out and let traffic clear after games before the long trip home.
    More Hotels, condos, light rail, busses, cabs etc are not conducive to tailgating and the whole gameday experience.
    Part of some NFL team rankings is based on tailgating and atmosphere around gameday. Seattle usually does not do well in those rankings.
    Seattle is slowly/quickly killing any pregame atmosphere near the stadium by removing lots for on ramps, condos and now
    a high rise hotel.
    I realize NFL games are only 10 days or so a year but there are other events at the clink like the Sounders, concerts, and more not to mention the Mariners next door, less parking in the area could in the long run hurt event attendence because not everyone lives in downtown or for that matter wants to live there.

  26. SeahawksDawgs says:

    I can’t believe some of the ridiculous complaints and comments here so I had to sign up just to speak on it.

    To those whining about the loss of the skyline view – newsflash: more skyscrapers enhance the skyline view! A 23 story tower is not tall enough to obstruct the view of the Columbia tower or any of the taller towers, it will only add more depth and density to our growing skyline.

    To the individual complaining about the walk to FX McRory’s – God forbid, you have to walk up Occidental or a new landscaped plaza rather than a bland parking lot to get to your favorite bar. Cry me a river. I guarantee the owners of FX are all for this new development.

    To those complaining about the loss of tailgating space – I understand your disappointment but building a viable community in an underutilized part of downtown is more important than your pregame experience 8 dates in a year.

  27. Dukeshire says:

    SeahawksDawgs – 1) – I said it would be a financial boon to the area. 2) – My complaint was one of sentimentality, not a matter of convenience. That’s why I mentioned my history with it. I usually welcome new posters, but in your case, if this is the best you have to offer, please return to simply reading.

  28. just throwing some friendly devils advocate rocks
    SeahawksDawgs with that arguement the stadiums are empty more than they are full so in the name of building a viable community in an industrial area we should just get rid of the stadiums and the teams and build more apartments, hotels, condos, strip malls etc Seattle would be a much better place

  29. bird_spit says:

    SeaDawgs – So you pissed off the Duke..you have been duely baptised, and are welcome on the blog :)

  30. pabuwal says:

    Its like a fraternity hazing ritual.

  31. Jusjamn says:

    Welcome SeahawksDawgs!

  32. SeahawksDawgs says:

    @MauMau, no because the stadiums bring people to the neighborhood and are a civic amenity. A parking lot is an eyesore in the middle of the downtown core. I understand that tailgating is a big part of the gameday experience (I tailgate on Montlake every Saturday before UW games) but for the greater good of the city and community, building a dense bustling new project is a much better use of that land than a tailgating spot.

    @Dukeshire, I don’t see how this development tarnishes your walk from FX to the stadium. What is so scenic about walking through an asphalt parking lot versus walking by a beautiful new development with more restaurants and bars at the ground level. if anything, it should make that short walk more enjoyable.

  33. So are you telling me the view of the Penis building will be blocked from the south endzone?

  34. Dukeshire says:

    It has to do with the memories of looking at the new stadium, and the ‘Dome before it, as we’d sit outside, watching activity grow throughout the day. It has to do with the images imprinted in my memory of that walk from when I was a little boy until now. I’m going to miss that. I’m sure the new development will be cool. I’ll probably stay there the first season it’s open. But I’m going to miss that walk, and that view. It may be shit to you, but it’s beautiful to me.

  35. Soggybuc says:

    Right XC, I thought i was one of the few who called that building by that name.
    This will be a good thing for the city although I do hope they find a way to keep the tailgaters happy.

  36. raymaines says:

    On principle alone I’m much more offended by the huge, stupid scoreboard on the east end of Husky stadium than a hotel on the north side of the CLink.

  37. boucherm says:

    “To those whining about the loss of the skyline view – newsflash: more skyscrapers enhance the skyline view! A 23 story tower is not tall enough to obstruct the view of the Columbia tower or any of the taller towers, it will only add more depth and density to our growing skyline.”

    Are you retarded? Having a 23 story highrise right by the stadium will obstruct the view of the rest of the downtown skyline because it plugs the open end of the stadium through which we see the rest. Yes, you’ll see the tops of taller buildings over it, that does not mean it doesn’t obstruct the majority of the city view. We sit in 319, just to the east of the 12th man flag, and this will definitely detract from the games for us.

  38. hawkdawg says:

    I’ve always found that “are you retarded” is a great opening to any statement of position in a civil discourse. Glad I am not alone.

  39. boucherm says:

    Funny, Hawkdawg. I like to use it at work.

    At the same time, I don’t think “to those whining” or “newsflash:” is a civil way of disagreeing with people. It’s condescending from the get-go, which is especially bad from a foolish position. Coming on this blog and having your first post be immediately dismissive of other positions is no way to be.
    The fact is that my view will be affected–I’m unhappy with it, not whining about it, and to suggest that it will be a better view and that we’ll still see the taller buildings is just stupid. It will detract, doesn’t mean we’ll give up our tickets, but the view will suffer.

  40. What did the fish say when he swam into the concrete wall?

  41. Damn (Dam).

  42. RDPoulsbo says:

    Haha….Penis building. I know Smith Tower is historical and all, but there’s an example of a building that can be torn down to build a new hotel and condos. Last I heard, the previous owners screwed over their tenants and drove most of them out and now are in bankruptcy. Shouldn’t be hard to relocate the few people that are left.

  43. Chuck, I would like to no what back alleys you were walkin down, I’ve lived in the area my entire life and the only time I’ve been propositioned for anything was weed and that was by the Westlake Mall out of all places. I’ve walked around Seattle so many times I can’t remember, bar hoping, games, just out and about and I’m talkin’ after 2 in the morning and I’ve never even seen women propositioning people. Obviously I’ve seen some suspicious chicks that would be doin’ that, but they weren’t doing it so blatenly that they were walking up to strangers asking for a date. Crazy.

  44. C-town is like a safe haven compared to other cities. I’ve never felt nervious or aprehesive walking alone around town.

  45. rramstad says:

    Random aside. Tailgating came about because most stadiums were located too far away from other services. It really became an art form in locations where the town or city was incapable of serving and/or dealing with 60,000 or 120,000 people and so rather than be hungry and stuck in traffic, people took matters into their own hands.

    I think tailgating is cool, but honestly, I probably tailgate three games a season, and we do what I think are very cool urban tailgates… there are many lots scattered around the various areas and yeah, it doesn’t have the energy of one huge lot, or whatever, but it’s got a very Seattle vibe to it, which I like.

    It’s much more likely for me to go get dim sum, or sushi, or a really nice hot bowl of soup, for pregame, and possibly hit Temple for a few beers. I prefer doing this to hanging out in a parking lot, especially if the weather is iffy and I’m going to be out in the rain for 4 1/2 hours during the game anyway.

    Just MHO, of course. I just don’t see the loss of part of the North lot, which isn’t a great lot to begin with, expensive, hard to drive to, and so on, as that big of a deal.

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