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Carroll on OTA violations: “It was a few plays that stood out.”

Post by Eric Williams on June 5, 2012 at 3:23 pm with 30 Comments »
June 5, 2012 3:23 pm
Seattle Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll, right, watches as Jermaine Kearse catch a ball during NFL football rookie mini camp, Friday, May 11, 2012, in Renton, Wash. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)

Seattle head coach Pete Carroll expressed his regret for his team being punished by the league and the NFL players association for having too much contact during offseason practices by having two of the team’s final OTA days taken away from them.

Carroll chalked it up as a learning experience, and said his players will get a few days off before the team’s final minicamp begins next week.

You can check out Carroll’s full interview here.

“We’ve had great practices,” Carroll said. “Our guys have met every expectation. They have worked like crazy to get the job done.

“We have talked all of the talk throughout the time about taking care of one another, working to make it safe and playing within the guidelines. And we’ve probably have stretched limit obviously by this indication.

“And I’m not surprised by that. We’re as competitive as you can be. We have a very young football team. Most of these guys have never been in an OTA practice. And so this is their first time to get a smell of it.”

“As we go through this we’ve had to learn. I think our best practice was maybe our last one, but we still practice really hard and really fast, and did it in a teaching moment, which is what we’re asked to do.

Carroll said his team has not had a chance to view film to see how the league wants his team to conduct offseason workouts under the new Collective Bargaining Agreement voted on by the players and the league last August.

So perhaps the Seahawks are being used as the test case for the rest of the league. Seattle is the first team penalized by being docked practices under the new CBA.

“We’ll be that much smarter about how we can do things right, and we’ll continue to work with our young guys to make sure they understand,” Carroll said. “Because it’s always about one play here, one play there. It wasn’t play, after play, after play. It was a few plays that stood out where guys made a mistake trying to hard and competing too much.

“So we’ll find that level. I think if nothing else, the league will maybe understand the standard better. We have not had any film to look at – we haven’t had the opportunity to see how it should be done. Maybe that’s what we’re creating. So we’ll try to look at it as a positive, and help everybody understand how this thing goes.”

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  1. Dukeshire says:

    The positive I take from this is that this is an aggressive and tough bunch. Hell yes.

  2. Soggybuc says:

    Utter BS! how can you not have any contact in a Football practice? I guess they will have to tape Hula Hoops to their waists to make sure no one gets to close to each other.

  3. Dukeshire says:

    I’m imagining that this is related to one on one drills. That’s typically from where issues like this stem.

  4. wabubba67 says:

    Agreed, Duke. How does any team possibly get a bunch of rookies to tone down their physical nature when they are competing for jobs and attempting to impress the coaching staff? I guess the coaches have to sit down or throw out individual players who initiate contact in order to protect the organization.

    Btw, Duke, what did the arbiter (chuck easton) rule?

  5. Jusjamn says:

    The fine seems a bit excessive. Hope their viewing the tapes of all 31 other teams. Would be nice to know who the vet was.

  6. Dukeshire says:

    wabubba67 – Nothing yet. I haven’t sent him my side. I just got back into town Sunday night and have only looked briefly. I’ll get something to him tomorrow. lol

  7. JazBadAzz says:

    The earl Thomas scuffle and Bruce Irvin knocking Breno on his ass in the national media probably initiated the tape review. I sure if all 31 other teams tapes get reviewed something can be called excessive or they are not trying to win many games come fall!

    No biggie, must vets aren’t doing much at practice, and some don’t even bother showing up! If missing 3 days of OTA’s make or break us then something is definitely wrong!

  8. shoehawks says:

    If this is the standard, there is not a respectable team in the league that can hold an OTA without getting sanctioned. Any team that does not have two or three aggressive plays documented is not going to win any games. Unfortunately, the Seahawks will get penalized for this. The Steeler and the Patriots will not.

  9. Dukeshire says:

    I could very well be mistaken, but weren’t the Pats fined several years ago, for conducting contact drills during an “off” period during the off-season program?

  10. I want the chuck ruling on that one:

    On one hand, pabs clearly won b/c the bet which was that Breno would start at RT in week one.

    However, he clearly meant that Breno would beat out Carpenter for the gig and the only reason Carpenter didn’t start at RT was to fill in for Gallery at LG (they obviously thought Breno was one of the five best OL after losing Gallery; but only their 6th best OL when Gallery was healthy). By Carp moving back to RT, over Breno, for week two and beyond clearly supports the view Cable said about Carpenter on draft day – that Carp would be the starter at RT and nobody was going to be allowed to beat him out even if they performed better than him in the preseason.

    I think we have seen that this off-season they are up for change (for Carp) by resigning Breno and mentioning publicly that the future of Carp could be at guard. However, they were quite clear last year that Carp would play all the time at RT and was handed the job on draft day (no “comPeting” for him).

    chuck – what would happen in a court of law on this one? Do you go by the book or would a judge use common sense?

  11. wabubba67 says:

    I still vote for nullifying the bet…no harm, no foul.

  12. Yeah. Throw it out. We need to come up with new things to act like 10 year olds about! :)

  13. pabuwal says:

    I’d be happy to replace last year’s bet with a bet that if Carpenter starts over Giacomini at RT at any point in 2012 than Duke wins.

    Any discussion of what was “meant” occurred a full week after the bet was made. There was never a discussion before that point. The point of the bet was to prove Giacomini wasn’t a “stiff” and he was a better RT than Carpenter. Duke had nothing but unkind words for Giacomini and was adamant that Carpenter should be the Week 1 Starter, partly because Carpenter was drafted for the position and partly because he thought Giacomini was a terrible player.

    Not only did Giacomini start Week 1 (which was all the bet was about) but he has proven to be the RT of the future (which is what the “point” of the bet was). Like I said, if we want to delve into the “point” of the bet, I’ll be happy to replace last year’s bet with the above bet for this year.

  14. pabuwal says:

    That bet is too narrow so how about if Giacomini is benched for ANYONE (due to performance, not injury), than I lose the replacement bet?

  15. chuck_easton says:

    I can’t rule yet. I only have one side of the argument.

    But there are some good ideas so far

  16. Dukeshire says:

    Of course conversations about what was “meant” came after the bet. Meant is past tense. It’s impossible to discuss the past when it’s still in the future.

    And while I was very rough on Breno, I did compliment his improvement after multiple preseason games. So to say I had nothing good to say about him is false.

    The purpose of the bet was to show Breno wasn’t a stiff? Lol. Good one.

  17. Dukeshire says:

    Is pabuwal aware he was already bench for Carp in week two, when Gallery came back? Breno was not injured.

  18. Dukeshire says:

    And a “replacement” bet moving forward is unreasonable, for 2013, considering Carp’s torn ACL.

  19. pabuwal says:

    I said we can have a replacement bet where you win if the “stiff” Giacimini is benched for anyone due to performance in 2012.

  20. What did you guys bet? Beers, $$$, vacation to the tropics?

  21. pabuwal says:

    Same thing – pride.

  22. Dukeshire says:

    Well look, moving forward, I’m not going to bet against Breno. And as I’m sure you know, I no longer feel he’s a “stiff”. I’ve complimented him las year and have noted how much he improved, even after those sentiments last preseason. But again, I was critical of him, for certain.

  23. Quite honestly – I think it was a stupid bet – but I feel from the actual structure of the bet Pabs will win the “arbitration”. But anyway. . .

    Back on Topic –

    It will be interesting to see what the actual violations were and it the exact violations are actually identified. Also, will other teams get nailed on this since it is new rules for the OTA’s.

    I also believe if you aren’t pushing the envelope you aren’t doing your job as a coach at that level – if you get a slap you readjust your line (so you are withing the rules )and keep going – if you get a major sanction then you aren’t paying attention to the rules

  24. Seems like we’ve got a superbowl XL situation here. If you look only at the score, the Steelers won the game. If you watched the contest in it’s entirety, you’d know the truth.

  25. bird_spit says:

    The drama of the bet is killing me…lol.

    The fine is ridiculous. How about the league use the under paid refs, and have them throw penalties when contact is obsessive?

  26. ruminator1 says:

    seems like i remember an earlier bet (2-3 yrs ago?) where the loser failed to pay the winner :)
    interesting article comparing locker and gabbert:

  27. GeorgiaHawk says:

    The NFL is slowly bringing down this great sport into like what the other sport called football is! How sad!

    Also, seems like Pabs has been winning most of the bets this last year.

  28. Soggybuc says:

    Really you guys (Pabs and Duke) should just go to a strip club, buy each other a drink and a lap dance. that way you both win.

    On the topic at hand. am I the only one who thinks any player who thinks a little contact while in shells and shorts just might not be the kind of player you want on your team?

  29. Best comment I’ve seen from another site:

    Just so we are clear here, the employee’s made this rule, the employee’s broke the rule, now the employee’s will get paid time off..
    sure wish my job worked like that..

  30. mojjonation says:

    Yet another in the long list of failed ideas on how to vaginize the NFL. Pretty soon it will be no pads until the regular season and the preseason will be flag football.

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