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Morning links: Same old mistakes for Jackson

Post by Eric Williams on June 1, 2012 at 8:12 am with 71 Comments »
June 1, 2012 8:12 am
Seattle Seahawks quarterback Tavaris Jackson (7) passes to Justin Helwege, left, as quarterbacks Russell Wilson (3) and Matt Flynn (15) look on, during an NFL football organized team activity, Thursday, May 24, 2012, in Renton, Wash. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)

Brock Huard of ESPN 710 Seattle offers his impressions of Seattle Seahawks quarterback Tarvaris Jackson after watching this week’s OTA practice open to the media on Wednesday.

Huard came away from Wednesday’s practice feeling the same way he felt about Jackson last year – a talented thrower with a strong arm that still makes the same mistakes that a seven-year veteran in the league should not make.

Huard: First and foremost, on a day where Tarvaris Jackson took a majority of the reps with the starters, it has become clear that Jackson peaked in his third year in the league and has not been able to rise from that plateau. He may be very well-liked and even more respected, but the inconsistency of his game as he enters his seventh year in the same system is maddening.

One play he shows the zip to fire an option route into a very tight window; the next play he throws an errant interception to a safety sitting right over the top of a downfield post route. One play he effortlessly zings a deep in-cut 25 yards on a rope; the next play he sits under center for an inappropriate amount of time, misses the check and leaves his offensive coordinator with his hands on his hips.

It is hard to imagine Jackson as anything more than a journeyman backup, and at $4.5 million in base salary scheduled for 2012, I’d be willing to bet that in August he’ll get the Leroy Hill/Sean Locklear/Marcus Trufant treatment: renegotiate, or else.

Mike Tanier of Football Outsiders compares Jackson to American Idol winner Taylor Hicks, and says he could win the starting job by default.

Danny O’Neil of the Seattle Times takes a closer look at the Seahawks’ shift in focus in the team’s free agent acquisitions. Tim Ruskell tended to bring in older guys at the twilight of their careers, while John Schneider has focuses on younger guys heading into their second deals. The two organizations were at different points as well. Ruskell was trying to find veteran players who could put Seattle over the top, while Schneider is looking for long-term fixes that will develop with a younger roster. Schneider also has tended to give players shorter deals.

Clare Farnsworth of Seahawks.com talks with Breno Giacomini, who gushes over the play of rookie defensive end Bruce Irvin.

Dan Steinberg of the Washington Post’s DC Sports Blog writes that the Washington Redskins are the latest team to adopt the 12th Man slogan.

David Leon Moore and Erik Brady of USA Today talked to more than 50 of Junior Seau’s family, friends and neighbors in trying to piece together the legendary linebacker’s final days. They report that Seau’s final days were filled with sleepless nights.

Mark Ross of Athalon Sports takes a closer look at Seattle’s 2012 schedule.

Rick Stroud of the Tampa Bay Times reports that the Buccaneers have hired former Seahawks assistant director of college scouting Eric Stokes as the team’s director of college scouting.

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  1. kurtthekraut says:

    No real suprise to anyone not on recreational drugs. I am very pleased with how the offseason has went so far but I will be a little upset if the QB situation doesnt go: Matt Flynn #1,…Russell Wilson #2 and Josh Portis our #3. I like Tavaris in that he has been a good person on and off the field,..but he has to go. Now some might ask,..” Do you really want a rookie qb as your backup if Matt Flynn goes down? At least you know Jackson can ” WIN ” you football games “. My answer to that is that Jackson has proved he ” can’t ” win you NFL games. If he plays really well,…he wont ” LOSE ” you NFL games at best. Cut-him..move on with the new blood and let’s get this SEASON ROCKIN!!

  2. Nomdeguerre says:

    Hard to imagine Carpenter overtaking Giacomini at right tackle now that Breno is getting all this experience in games (last year) and now in practice. Also, hard to imagine Jackson being on the final roster as the #3 quarterback – he’s hit his ceiling years ago.

  3. Ewalters7354 says:

    I highly doubt the Jackson will be cut.He’s not hurting the cap and he is also a option you can be happy with as a back up.It also gives Russell Wilson more time to develop.

    I just hope and pray RW isn’t another Golden Tate.Who flashes in college and in camp but once preseason starts he looks lost and confused.Therefore I think he should be the no 3 QB so expectations don’t get sky high.

  4. Ewalters7354 says:

    I would like to know why everybody thinks RW is guaranteed the back up spot?He hasn’t proved anything to warrent being assured a spot he hasn’t earned.Jackson may have hit his ceiling but you know what you have in him and he fits Pete’s take care of the ball philosophy perfectly.So I am comfortable having him as a back up.

  5. PC must believe that this time in late May and early June really isn’t all that beneficial, because every snap TJAX takes, is a snap Flynn/Wilson cannot take. After 7 years in the league, you know what you’ll get from TJAX…15TDs, 15INTs give or take. No team will be successful with that. He’s proven it over and over again that he has all the physical tools, but he just cannot process fast enough to make the best decision possible on any given play. One step forward, two steps back.

    It’s clear to me that PC is just given TJAX a little bonus practice time because he toughed out last season with the injured pectoral. Full respect for that effort, but it’s a new season and he’s pro and it’s what he’s paid to do. Time to renegotiate or trade. Best case scenario they get back the 7th rounder TB took for Kellen.

  6. pabuwal says:

    Jackson will win the starting job by default because there isn’t anyone else good enough on the roster (at this time) to decisively take it from him. There are the lesser of 2 evils here – Flynn, a QB whose highs will be high and whose lows will be very low (with the QB rating averaging out to the 75-80 level) or Jackson who is steady but will never be spectacular (with the QB rating also averaging out to the 75-80 level). I think Carroll chooses Jackson while other coaches would choose Flynn.

    Carroll could decide that if Wilson is playing at 75% of the level of Jackson/Flynn in August that Wilson will win the job and hopefully grow into the Jackson/Flynn level by midseason and exceed it substantially by season number 2.

  7. kurtthekraut says:

    We wont be able to keep all 4 QB’s. RW and JP have upside which Jackson does not. I believe we all agree that Jackson will not be on the team next year so why lose either RW or JP just to keep Jackson on as a backup? Is he really that valuable? I would rather roll the dice and ” if ” Matt gets banged up,..let one of the kids get in there and get some real-time experience under their belt. 1 of 4 qb’s will have to go, and if I have to choose one….it’s Jackson.

  8. pabuwal – where do you come to the conclusion that Flynn’s lows will be very low? Weird.

  9. Also, what do you define as “very low”?

  10. tchristensen says:

    Pabuwai, I don’t understand your position on Matt Flyenn. Have you ever seen him play? Could you be more pessimistic?

  11. Singularitarian says:

    every low I’ve seen of Flynn in a pro game h
    as been very, very low

  12. Singularitarian says:

    ohh wait I haven’t seen any…

  13. Dukeshire says:

    I will go on record now, and say that there is no chance Jackson wins the starting job (injuries aside, and that’s really becoming the starter by default). None. In fact, I am warming to the idea that he may not even see the roster on opening day. Of course, that’s really impossible to base that on anything other than a gut feeling, until games are played.

    By the way, the Redskins can go straight to hell. 12th man be loud and proud?! Sorry losers, the 12th Man resides in Seattle, and only Seattle, so far as the NFL goes. (I begrudgingly acknowledge A&M’s tradition of the 12th Man. It does extend back to 1922, after all.)

  14. Singularitarian says:

    I would hate for Clem to hold out, when we are finally getting some hopes for a decent pass rush. Then all you’re doiing is substituting Irvin for Clem, hoping you’ll get near the production, while still having nobody to spell Red on the other side in passing situations. I can see why Clem’s by a bit uneasy, seeinfg how Carroll has implied several times that Irvin will grow into the Leo spot that Clem holds. I would proll feel a little undervalued in that sitch as well. Then again if he puts up 10+ sacks for the third year in a row he could probably still get a decent 3 year deal somewhere after this season, somebody is always dumb enough to sign old dudes to long deals

  15. Singularitarian says:

    cut/trade Jackson and give that money to Clem. that’s my take

  16. pabuwal says:

    You guys think Flynn is the next coming of Aaron Rodgers and I call him an average QB and all of a sudden I am “pessimistic.”

    Funny, but the entire NFL (including Joe Philbin, Pete Carroll and Mike Holmgren) share my assessment – which I made before Free Agency started when everyone thought that the NFL felt Flynn was “the next big thing.”

    Anyone who has been a Seahawks fan for 30 years only knows QBs whose highs are very high and whose lows are very low (Krieg and Hasslebeck) so it’s not unchartered territory here.

  17. Duke – Snyder has never gotten over the sting of losing in Seattle in 2 playoff games with the “legendary” Gibbs as his coach so he wants to do his best to recreate what you guys have out there.

  18. Hammajamma says:

    From the Athon’s piece on the schedule:

    “Plus, you certainly have to figure that former Bill, Marshawn Lynch, has that Week 15 match up in Buffalo circled on his calendar.”.

    Beast Mode “Plus”

  19. I don’t harbor any false hopes that Flynn is going to be anything close to Aaron Rodgers. However, I am happy that he’s our QB.

  20. Just read Brock Huard’s piece and it really is very good. I think he hits a lot of great points in it.

  21. I agree with Huard’s article and think JC will tell TJ that he needs to restructure his contract or find a new team by the end of training camp. Flynn will be the starter this year. TJ as back up if he restructures his contract and Wilson as 3rd string moving to 2nd string next year.

  22. I don’t see the purpose of cutting Jackson, and keeping JP who is just a worse version of RW. I’d rather have a TJ rather than JP, JP was just a project, and not a very good one at that. JP’s entire life seems to be a series of bad choices, and horrible mistakes

    He gets caught cheating so he transfer from a big college to a division 2 school, and still isn’t great. You don’t see Peyton Manning being arrested in Mastercard commercials for using a stolen credit cards. TJ at least helped win us games last year with a torn pectoral, and is a capable backup. We might have that now in RW, but until we see him against an opposing squad we don’t know that.

  23. Dukeshire says:

    pabuwal – You might be right, about Snyder. lol.

    And I too don’t believe Flynn is the next coming of Rodgers. But I’m thoroughly confident he’s going to be far better than Jackson.

  24. Soggybuc says:

    Pab’s you are completely glossing over the fact that Philbin has zero say in Miami. that and many players really do not want to play there since that team is so dysfunctional.
    My take is that Flynn picked PC and Seattle as this team has nothing but upside where Miami can barely fill half the stadium.

  25. Macabrevity says:

    Pabs, I respect the dissenting opinion, but I’m not buying it. I know it’s all conjecture at this point, and your theory about Flynn could be true, but one ‘stat’ that might interest you (and sorry, just don’t remember where I saw it) is that no QB who had at least one game as good as Flynn’s Detroit game failed to make the pro bowl at least once. We all know Flynn’s limitations, and defenses will adjust to that, but the odds are he’ll be able to do enough to potentially merit a pro bowl – in which case I think everyone on this forum will be happy campers at least that season. I personally think he will be very consistent in his preparation and mechanics, but struggle against certain types of defenses just because I’ve seen it with smart, pop-gun armed QB’s. I love Flynn’s play under pressure though, and think overall he will be a huge upgrade over what we’ve had since Matt’s departure.

    As I’ve said before, it’s Flynn’s job to lose, and not up to the other guys to ‘win’ the competition.

  26. Soggybuc – I agree with zero of that. Flynn wasn’t offered a decent contract by Miami because they already have their version of Matt Flynn and its Matt Moore. Can you really say that Matt Flynn is that much better than Matt Moore?

    If Flynn was offered a better contract by Miami and the starting job he would have gone there over Seattle. Instead they took Mike Sherman’s word that Tannehill could be developed and spent a very high draft pick on him. And Flynn got a low-level NFL starter’s contract and has to compete with a QB who some people think is the worst in the NFL. Flynn got very little from Seattle in terms of monetary guarantees or job security guarantees.

    But don’t take this to think that I think Flynn is a bad QB – he isn’t. And neither is Kevin Kolb. But high expectations can make an average QB seem awful when they were simply average.

  27. Dukeshire says:

    pabuwal – I know you’re a gambler. Do you want to back your belief the Jackson will win the starting job? And no, you do not get odds.

  28. The chnaces of T-Jax making this team is slim to none in my opinion. We saw enough last year to determine we should have re-signed Hasselbeck. With Flynn on board and making more money…he will be the starter! The last ex-Packer QB we had led us to the Super Bowl. I am hoping this one is even more successful!

    Even in Alaska, the Seahawk hype is pretty incredible!

  29. montanamike2 says:

    I think Flynn has a lot to offer, way more than a rookie qb. He has 4 years of being coached up and helped by Rodgers, if anything he can read the plays way better and faster then TJ. The guy needs playing time badly, i garantee that he’ll be more polished then Hass was when we got him.

  30. montanamike2 says:

    And also what the Redskins are doing is super lame! They may try to copy us, but their stadium won’t have nearly the same impact we have.

  31. Duke – I have this bet going with BobbyK already. I am up 1-0 on him so I have some room to play with.

    And we haven’t agreed what our score is. I think I am up 2-1, with the Kapernick and Giancomini wins while you won the Carson Palmer bet. But there is still a disagreement on whether or not Giacomini started Week 1 last year against the 49ers. He’s the starting RT for the foreseeable future so that was no accident he got the nod over Carpenter for that game.

  32. slicktoxic says:

    Bottom line is that it’s tough to keep last year’s starter on the team, and move him to back-up…..it doesn’t happen very often. Probably because it’s awkward for both sides.
    If TJ is on the 53-man roster when the season begins, chances are he’s still the starter, until Flynn officially takes it from him. I’m betting against him being on the roster.

  33. bird_spit says:

    Farnsworth’s article on Giacomini vs Irvin is excellent stuff. My only concern about the draft was Irvin at #1. If he plays with intelligence that he is displaying in these early otas, Seattle pulled a great surprise in the draft. A vet like Giacomini is high on Irvin, then so am I. Where is my Bruce! tee-shirt?

    Damn, no matter what happens this season, it will be fun to watch. I think Hawks have a great chance to win the division if it figures out the QB situation. I also think this division has not peaked, and could have a super-bowl winner coming out of it this year or next.

  34. I’ll be pretty shocked if TJ is our starter on opening day. If he is, it means Flynn has been a major disappointment in camp and pre-season, which is basically bad news for all of us.

    It’s Flynn’s turn. Curious to see what he can do.

  35. Dukeshire says:

    pabuwal – There is no disagreement on the Breno bet to me: the bet was *clearly* within the context of beating Carp out, which he did not. He was the week one starter because Gallery was dinged and Carp played LG. He didn’t “get the nod” over Carp. He played RT only because Carp filled in for Gallery, as previously stated. Had he gotten the nod, he would have remained there, which he did not.

  36. pabuwal – I was just wondering where you got Flynn’s lows (has he even had any) as being very low. I, in know way, think Flynn is the next Aaron Rogers, but I do have a feeling he will be better than Hass ever was and I will take that any day.

  37. Duke – you should have clarified the wording then. I presented the wording and purposefully kept it simple to prevent disagreements and you came back and said “Agreed” without any amendments. I can’t read minds here.

  38. Dukeshire says:

    pabuwal – We’ve been over this before:it was very clearly understood, throughout the entire thread that it was about Breno beating out Carp, which did not happen. This isn’t about “reading minds”. It’s about context. You are the only person, of many who commented on this previously, that claims to not understand the context. Honestly, I believe you are being difficult on this issue, intentionally. I’m not going to re-hash what I know to be right.

  39. TruBlu – its simply based on my analysis of both games Flynn started and trying to isolate what made his play successful compared to what I look for in a successful QB and how that could carry over on different NFL Teams.

    And Hasselbeck had some great games in his day. I don’t see Flynn exceeding Hasselbeck’s best days, especially as often as Hasselbeck had them back in his prime. But like Hasselbeck, Flynn is a system QB and will have some high moments playing within a system that does not expose his flaws.

  40. jchawks08 says:

    I do find it a little unsettling that T-Jack is getting so many starter snaps. I’d like to think that Flynn has shown more in 3 days or w/e the # of OTA’s there has been thus far that he is the superior QB. I do suspect it’s a respect thing from Carroll to TJ. I don’t buy for a minute that TJ will be the starter come opening day. Much less be on the roster. Exciting times ahead as we watch this unfold!

  41. bird_spit says:

    The Mark Ross article fails to mention that the Buffalo game is actually an indoor stadium in Tronto. That should be interesting from the point of view of who shows up, more than the Bills.

  42. Huard’s analysis didn’t say that Flynn separated himself from the other 2 QBs (at least the above article). I’d look for all 3 to be in the mix until Mid August.

    And for all of us to go round and round until then!

  43. Ewalters7354 says:

    I’m all for debating Flynn and Jackson which I believe Flynn will win.But T Jack and Josh Portis?????I can’t believe one would even think he makes the team.HE DOESN’T EVEN GET REPS IN PRACTICE! RW has to prove he isn’t the next Seneca Wallace first IMHO.

  44. Ah, the ever ending pursuit of ‘being right’. There are definitely a bunch of geniuses that reside here on this blog.

    The news about Tjack is disappointing. I’ve detested much of the bashing that has gone on here for so long b/c quite frankly we didn’t have anyone at the time who was better to replace him so the criticizing was kind of pointless. I’ve defended him for being a stand up guy admired by his teammates, but since Brock played QB in the NFL and has established himself as a great analyst, I believe in what he’s saying.

    I’ve long thought that Tjack had a great arm and showed good mobility, but if the decision making is there or check offs when they need to be, we’re back to square zero. I like the idea of restructuring his contract and giving him ample opportunity to fend off RW although admittedly I’m hoping that RW beats him out and pushes Flynn.

    I was a little sour on Flynn b/c he’s been hailed as such a savior but I’m not sure I’m ready to anoint him to that kind of lofty status just yet. He has shown good poise, comes from a good system, won a Nat’l Championship with a stacked team BUT I still think his arm strength is in question. Short to intermediate passes are key for a West Coast offense, but what I’ve seen on video when he airs it out is just that… too much air and DB’s seem to recover pretty easily. Nonetheless, he does appear at this point to be most qualified to start opening day.

    At the end of the day, I’m a Seattle Seahawks fan and will support him without a doubt. Overall I think that PC and JS have improved the depth at the position plus with a strong running game and the ever improving, most exciting defense I can ever recall, we should make some strides towards winning a division title and hopefully going deep into the playoffs, especially if we can secure some Home games.

    I love this team, love the direction of the franchise, the quick, young athletes and incredible coaching staff. They know what they’re doing and I’m all for it!

    Can’t wait…is it September yet?

    GO HAWKS!!

  45. If you really think about it, Jackson has the least chance of starting this year. With one exception, PC has universally gone wih youngsters or “unknown” vets when building this team. (Clemons for example of a vet.) The ONLY exception has been at the QB spot where he went with Hass and then Jackson. Personally I think he’s finally ready to hand the reigns of his offense over to a youngster that will grow and take the team as far as his young talent will let him. That means Matt Flynn with RW as the backup. He might surprise us with Jackson as the backup but I really doubt it.

  46. Ewalters7354 says:

    Savage,dude that makes no sense to me.Why would a guy who has yet to prove himself hand the reigns to someone who can get them cut???Not buying it bro.I believe he is definitely one of the top two QBs on this team.While RW hasn’t showed anything.Josh Portis had one good preseason game.So if you cut T Jack and Flynn gets hurt that would leave Senaca Wallace 2.0.I’m not buying him being the next Drew Brees.

  47. Ewalters7354 says:

    Skavage*

  48. But, since football season is a few months away…I guess I will keep reading this blog, and hoping for a great team this year. But in the mean time, its time to yell those famous Alaskan words…”FISH ON”! Its time to start re-stocking the freezer.

  49. chuck_easton says:

    OK, pabuwal and Duke. I do mediations. You each send me your version of the bet and I will make a ruling within two weeks. There, now we can get that behind us! :)

  50. Good idea Chuck. Thanks for offering to settling that stupid OLD bet.

  51. Dukeshire says:

    Chuck – that would be awesome. I’m out of town this weekend, back Sunday night. I’ll forward you my “case” Monday.

  52. SandpointHawk says:

    I agree…Thanks chuck_e

  53. pabuwal says:

    Here you go Chuck –

    I am having trouble pasting the entire link, but this should be enough for you to paste into the browser.

    /seahawks/2011/08/31/carlson-disappointed-awaits-shoulder-injury

    Eric wrote “Breno Giacomini had another strong day sharing reps with James Carpenter at right tackle, while the rookie continues to struggle in pass protection against veterans like Raheem Brook.”

    which led to the following exchange:

    Dukeshire
    AUG. 31, 2011 AT 6:38 PM
    IMO, they drafted him to be a tackle and should only move him to another position after he proves incapable of playing there at an acceptable level. We’re not anywhere near that point yet. Besides, in order to move him, either a rookie who’s playing relatively well (Moffitt) has his learning curve put on hold or a relatively high priced FA veteran hits the bench (Gallery). Neither of those is terribly attractive. I just don’t see them “hiding” Carpenter, so to speak. I believe he’ll be the opening day RT.

    pabuwal
    AUG. 31, 2011 AT 6:57 PM
    Duke – I am willing to bet that Breno Giacomini is the starting RT on opening day, unless he gets hurt before then.

    Dukeshire
    AUG. 31, 2011 AT 7:19 PM
    pab – Done.

  54. DisplacedSeahawkFan says:

    I hope I’m not too late on this, but it appears that Clemons is absent because he’s unhappy about his contract. http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=292&sid=686113 That sucks! I don’t think we have a viable replacement for him. I hope he gets over it and shows up a camp.

  55. wabubba67 says:

    pabuwal and Duke–

    If accurate, pabuwal may have won the bet based on the wording. Although, I don’t think that Duke lost the bet based on the spirit of the bet. I think that the honorable thing to do would be for pabuwal to recognize that spirit and cancel the bet. I completely understand why Duke feels that he didn’t lose (Carpenter slid over to LG for that game only due to Gallery’s injury, not because Breno beat out Carpenter.)

    pabuwal–“I don’t see Flynn exceeding Hasselbeck’s best days.” Flynn has had only two starts, and in each of those starts (or at the very least in the Lions game), he has already exceeded Hasselbeck’s best days. He is 2 for 2 in that regard.

  56. Dukeshire says:

    Unfortunately for pabuwal he did not include the entirety of the conversation. He omitted plenty. I assure you, my case will be made on Monday.

  57. seahawk44 says:

    Neklok says: “After 7 years in the league, you know what you’ll get from TJAX…15TDs, 15INTs give or take. No team will be successful with that”

    A teams success has much more to do with chemistry, avoiding injuries at key positions, a great defense, and playing the best ball in the playoffs. The following examples of QB’s that had similar TD-INT ratios during the season are all from teams that WON the Superbowl.

    Regular season statistics:

    1968 Jets – Namath 15 TD / 17 INT

    1979 Steelers – Bradshaw 26 TD / 25 INT

    1980 Raiders – Plunket(18/16) & Pastorini(5/8) 23 TD / 24 INT

    2000 Ravens – Banks(8/8) & Dilfer(12/11) 20 TD / 19 INT

    2007 Giants – Manning 23 TD / 20 INT

    2008 Steelers – Rothlisburger 17 TD / 15 INT

    QB play during the regular season does not have to be superb to win a championship.

    With that point made, I hope Flynn is the starter. Seahawks will win games with a ball control running game, an efficient passing attack, and a dominant defense.

  58. Pabs – You won the bet w/Duke. Good job.

    However, if I bet you that Luck will be the opening day starter for the Colts right now and then the Earth explodes and everyone dies, then, technically, you’d win the bet. Good job.

  59. seahawk44 says:

    Another team with a 3 person battle for the starting QB position is the Miami Dolphins. They seem to have a fairly similar line-up:

    Matt Flynn = Matt Moore (each has 4 seasons and some upside)
    Tavaris Jackson = David Garrard (each has 6 or more seasons & no upside)
    Russell Wilson = Ryan Tannehill (rookies with upside)

    Records as a starter in NFL:

    SEATTLE = (36 combined starts) 18W – 18L
    Jackson = 17W – 17L
    Flynn = 1W – 1L
    Wilson = 0-0

    MIAMI = (101 combined starts) 52W – 49L
    Garrard = 39W – 37L
    Moore = 13W – 12L
    Tannehill = 0-0

    I am curious to know who here would rather have Miami’s QBs over Seattle’s QB’s ????

  60. pabuwal says:

    BobbyK – you’ve also stated you thought there was a discussion Duke and I had on the “spirit” of the bet. I just checked the week prior to the bet and the week after. Duke and I had no such discussion. A week after the bet, I asked Duke what he wanted to do given the newly found injury situation of Robert Gallery. After being reminded we had a bet, he invoked the “spirit” of the bet (for which we had no previous discussion) and went ahead and unilaterally defined the “spirit” of the bet for me well after the bet was made. I tried to amend the bet so we could avoid any problems down the road but we couldn’t agree so we left it as is.

    /seahawks/2011/09/07/quick-hitter-from-carroll-press-conference/

    As it turns out, the “stiff” Giacomini was the future at RT, but it took Carpenter’s knee injury to realize that.

    I won’t hijack the board anymore with this and will let our Special Arbitrator Chuck_Easton render his judgement. I think Chuck is using this a resume builder for his next job. Who wouldn’t want to say they spent their time on this?

  61. wabubba67 says:

    Duke–Had a feeling that omission might have been the case.

  62. pabuwal says:

    wabubba67 – there was no omission. Every discussion point is contained on those 2 links, one of which was the bet and the second was a week after the bet when we learned Gallery was out and Giacomini was going to start.

    If Duke produces a discussion we had before the bet was made where we discussed the “spirit” of the bet, I will apologize to Duke for being so wrong on this and even try to do something to make it up to him. But I don’t believe this exists. And I don’t consider him telling me what the “spirit” of the bet was 1 week after we made the bet to qualify.

    ok, no more hijacking this thread for me.

  63. Singularitarian says:

    Just listened to the Darrell Bevell interview, and I must be honest. He’s the one guy I don’t really get excited about. Tom Cable: Fired up, Pete Carroll: I’m fired up, Gus, fired up. when it comes to Bevell I have never really been all too fired up. First of all I get the feeling he was the one really behind getting Jackson here, and I don’t think he truelly understands that Jackson can’t make it through his progressions properly, something I want an OC to be able to see. I get the feeling he doesn’t really understand why his offense worked better with Favre at the helm than with Jackson. I know with the shortened season, he needed someone familiar, but something about it I don’t like. I also see the weak link on this team (passing game) being on him for the most part. I know we had injuries and a new oline and what not, but towards the end of the season he faced alot of 9 in the box with HIS qb and they couldn’t get the job done. Cable gets the credit for the running success IMO. I also don’t feel like he runs shit like Carroll and Cable, and I like how Cable will see his guy on the line and go out and get him, not just from his old team but in general. I don’t feel like Bevell has that kind of scouting ability. Don’t know what it is but I can’t drink that koolaid, hopefully I’m wrong

  64. boucherm says:

    Seahawk44-I’d take the Dolphins QB situation, becaue I like Matt Moore and think Tannehill has a higher ceiling than Wilson.

    Pabs/Duke–Carp won the RT job to start the year; he played LG in the first game not because Breno beat him out, but because of Gallery’s injury. If Pabs won the bet it’s by a technicality, not because Breno won the job. You guys are cracking me up with this.

  65. Soggybuc says:

    OMG you guys have involved an actual Lawyer in this? now your both screwed!

  66. raymaines says:

    Chuck gets all the money and you have to buy your own stamps to send it to him.

    I really believe Flynn will finish the year with 80 TD passes, a QB rating of 129, and the ‘Hawks will go undefeated for the next 10 years. No, really. I believe that.

  67. nidhighe says:

    “You guys think Flynn is the next coming of Aaron Rodgers”

    I think Flynn may be the next coming of Matt Hasselbeck, and he will be the Week 1 starter.

    I do think T-Jack will be the #2 QB this season, unless either Wilson or Portis play lights out in pre-season. We’ve signed all of our big free agents and all of our draft picks, so it’s not like T-Jack’s salary is an albatross. We could probably even extend Clemons without T-Jack’s salary being a problem.

  68. NYHawkFan says:

    News in Seahawk land is obviously slow. Rehashing the whole Pabs/Duke debate over an old bet is annoying,childish,and entertaining,all at the same time. Says something about both of them; stubborn, hard-headed, egocentric, and opinionated, which, of course, are many of the traits that help to make this blog interesting. Appreciate that they are at least being civil to one another, as I would tune out if their debate sank to a lot of cursing and personal attacks. Would prefer to have their talents used to talk about the Seahawks, though, rather than about themselves.

  69. Pabs and Dukeshire–this is only my opinion, but you both passed Annoying awhile ago over this bet thing. No one cares but you. Hash it out via email or facebook or Myspace or whatever. Sheesh, its worse than BobbyK on Portis, or Carson lately.

    And then come back and post your usual intelligent opinions. I for one like reading those.

  70. Quarterback jobs are not won in May and June. They are won in August and September.

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