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Morning links: Irvin an edgy pick

Post by Eric Williams on April 27, 2012 at 7:14 am with 91 Comments »
April 27, 2012 7:14 am
West Virginia's Bruce Irvin celebrates with fans following a 21-20 win against Pittsburgh during an NCAA college football game, Friday, Nov. 25, 2011, in Morgantown, W.Va. (AP Photo/Jeff Gentner)

Dave Boling of The News Tribune weighs in on the Seattle Seahawks selection of West Virginia defensive end Bruce Irvin.

Boling says that Seattle drafting Irvin is another edgy pick that few expected, but when examined further makes a lot of sense.

Boling: Irvin was considered a second-round talent by some, and reputed to be taken off the board entirely by other teams for off-field indiscretions that landed him in jail as a youth – and had him in court as recently as last week.

When reporters mentioned that Irvin was not among the prospects considered worthy of the 15th pick in the draft, Schneider and Carroll both shook their heads and made a gesture that very obviously meant: So what?

What nobody disputes is that Irvin is a demonic pass rusher, almost a consensus as the best pass rusher in the nation. And the No. 1 need of the Seahawks was a pass rusher.

Problem meet solution.”

Here’s my story from today on Irvin. The Seahawks considered moving back again after trading back to No. 15, but were concerned that teams like Chicago, San Diego and New England would grab Irvin if they moved too far back, so they stayed put.

Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk.com says that according to a source at least seven teams had Irvin rated as one of the top15 players in the draft.

I posted this earlier, but if you haven’t read Les Carpenter from Yahoo Sports’ profile on Bruce Irvin you should. It will shed light on Ivrin’s troubled childhood growing up and how he turned things around. A must-read if you have not checked it out already.

Art Thiel of SportspressNW.com writes the Seahawks did not draft a football player, they drafted an adventure.

ESPN’s Mike Sando notes that the Seahawks hope Irvin will produce like other pass rushers with great first steps, including Von Miller, Jevon Kearse and Dwight Freeney.

Rob Rang of NFLDraftScout.com lists Seattle’s selection of Irvin as one of his top 10 surprises in the first round. Rang was one of the few draft analysts that had Irvin going in the first round, at No. 29 to Baltimore. Rang: “The Seahawks pulled one of the real stunners of the draft with the No. 15 overall pick by selecting West Virginia pass rusher Bruce Irvin. While Irvin was a chic pick to sneak into the end of the first round, it had been assumed that it would be a 3-4 club that selected him, utilizing him at outside linebacker. The pick could pay off for Seattle as the team needed a pure pass rusher and Pete Carroll, having recruited Irvin heavily while at USC, obviously felt comfortable with Irvin’s troubled upbringing. Considering that I had Irvin rated as theNo. 48 prospect on my Big Board, I see this as a reach — but not as big as the Seattle’s NFL West opponent San Francisco made later in the first round.”

Steve Kelly of the Seattle Times writes that the Seahawks took the road less travelled by selecting Irvin.

Wes Bunting of the National Football Post had Irvin as his No. 17 rated player and loved Seattle’s pick.

Tony Pauline of Sports Illustrated says there were many other better prospects on the board that Seattle may regret the Irvin pick in this video link.

No surprise here. ESPN’s Mel Kiper questions the selection of Irvin. You must be an ESPN Insider to view this.

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  1. Irvin has the same build as Lawrence Taylor. I’m not saying he’s quite there (yet), but that kind of build can get to the QB. All I wanted was pressure on the QB so that our secondary didn’t have to cover as long and could make more plays. This guy really helps Earl and his ballhawking abilities. I’m jacked.

    Can’t wait to see who they have in store for us today. Is it 4 PM yet?

    GO HAWKS!

  2. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Eric- Since we traded back in the 1st round and now have two more picks can, and no one here picked Irvin, can we just start all over with the mock draft? Lol.

  3. SeahawkFan12 says:

    I find it interesting that people ‘love’ this pick. I don’t hate it, but we just spent a first round selection on situational player. Yes, over time he may develop into an every-down guy. Just seems like the type of pick you’d make later in the draft, and in terms of ‘luxury’ picks (i.e. addresses a need but only partially and other layer available provided more than just the need being addressed), I don’t think we are quite in a place to be cavalier with first-round picks.

    Still, I trust in Pete and John, and will be patient and continue to believe. Welcome to the family, Mr. Irvin!

  4. I find it interesting that people think we could have traded back into the 2nd and still have gotten him. Sounds to me like there were definitely other teams looking at him and would possibly take him in the first after us. So that point is moot. Trade back and they would not have gotten their guy..simple as that.

  5. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I like what Irvin can bring to this team. And I like the extra picks.

    I’m a little disappointed DeCastro fell to 24, and of all the teams for him to fall to!

    And I totally agree with what Bunting says here.

    “If you want the steal of the 2012 NFL draft, I think that award goes to the Steelers for landing Stanford OG David DeCastro at pick 24. DeCastro has the ability to come in an play at a high level from day one and should mature into one of the league’s very best. The idea of DeCastro playing next to center Maurkice Pouncey for years to come is scary.”

  6. chrisj122 says:

    Irvin fits a need and a major need at that. If he truley is a great, pure pass rusher then I don’t care if he’s only in on 3rd and some 2nd downs because rushing, rattling, sacking the QB is one of the most basic concepts of football. How many football players even if on the field are involved in every play?

    I just hope he is what the F.O. thinks he is.

  7. Did anyone happen to catch ESPN’s recap of all the draftees last night after the draft was over? They made a montage of All the picks and just so happened to leave out #15. Even though i shouldn’t be surprised about that, i am. I just dont get why there is so much hate and disrespect for our city from the media. So much hate

  8. Dukeshire says:

    Maybe they didn’t have enough time to prepare. I mean, they’ve only been covering the draft everyday for months…

  9. A bold pick to fill the Leo position. Interesting that none of us quite saw it coming. I considered including Irving in my mock draft as a second rounder after reading about him in the national football post and seeing a few slips on espn months ago.

    national football post: • “Bruce Irvin has been one of the NFP’s favorites all year because of his explosive first step and ability to threaten the corner. He played out of position in West Virginia’s 3-3-5 defense and was not consistently asked to play to his strengths. However, the undersized pass rusher should get plenty of opportunities to get after the QB from both a two and three point stance opposite a guy who he compares quite favorably to in Chris Clemons. Love the pick!”

    Why were we caught by surprise? Everyone know about this guys speed (4.41 at combine, Hello?!) (and everyone knew he has 38.5 sacks in 3 years!!! Hello?! Hello?!!)

    I think the reason he wasn’t higher on mock drafts is that sportswriters don’t think like DCs. They aren’t thinking about filling specific roles in their schemes. Duke made a really good point about the Seahawks playing less under and move over on D last year probably because their personnel was more suited to the over scheme. They lacked the speed to make the under work. Now they are recruiting that speed they need.

    No question watching Irvins highlights from WV the he is the most naturally quick twitch, fast, explosive DE one can find in college football the past few years. His highlight reel is sick! And he did it three years in a row in college without the best coaching or schemes to help him. Irvin was productive, not just a workout warrior. He is going to be soooo much fun to watch on third down.

    For a comparison? To me, he looks and plays a lot like the late Derrick Thomas.

  10. Lol Duke. I was trying to find it on youtube to link here but can’t find it. god, it made me so mad. I can’t wait to see Bruce lay people out and for all the media heads to choke on their words

  11. Dukeshire says:

    Stevo – We all get caught up in the ESPN hype where the discuss the same 4 players, ad nauseam. This much I know: next year, I’ll identify the team’s biggest need. Identify the best athlete at that position. And find the player that no one is mentioning. That will be your Seahawks 1st round pick.

  12. I think one reason (not the only) we didn’t see it coming was b/c of Smith (the CB from Colorado) last year that went to Balt. I didn’t think they would take a character risk that high (b/c Smith was probably the best player available last year). I know those are different off-field issues, but you get the idea. Obviously, the history with the Hapster didn’t hurt! No matter what, I’m excited about adding a Clay Matthews to this defense. It’s EXACTLY what the doctor ordered!

    We went into the off-season with the two most important needs in the NFL and came out of it with both needs fully met (QB & pass rusher). And we still have the rest of the draft to go!

  13. Sarcasticus says:

    Irvin says he is not a one-trick-pony. I hope so. First round money on a situational guy is painful.

  14. Spent some time on the Seahawks website last night and you can now buy Matt Flynn jerseys, but T-Jack jerseys are NOT available. LOL!!!

  15. Macabrevity says:

    Let’s go get a MLB now. Who do we want? And more importantly, who does Pete want?

  16. bbnate420 says:

    Why ANYONE still puts ANY credence into what Kiper, AKA Helmet-Haired Moron, has to say is beyond me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  17. Agreed, Bobby. If two months ago someone told us “on the morning of April 27, your two biggest team needs – QB and Pass Rusher – will be filled, and the Seahawks will still have 7 picks to go in the draft” I think we would have been in disbelief at that good news.

  18. Hey Eric, is it too late to go back and revise my mock draft?

    lol!

  19. bbnate420 says:

    Amen!!!!!

  20. RDPoulsbo says:

    I don’t think Irvin is a one trick pony. Just a guy who’s not versatile enough to play other positions, not even LDE on when there’s a TE there. Clemons isn’t versatile either, so they still have a hole at LDE on passing downs.

  21. “This much I know: next year, I’ll identify the team’s biggest need. Identify the best athlete at that position. And find the player that no one is mentioning. That will be your Seahawks 1st round pick.” Good plan.

    Carroll and Schneider make a mockery of mock drafts.

    The knee-jerk to the pick last night was funny. It seems today cooler heads will prevail.

    The problem is with the Mel Kiper’s of the world. Most of these guys wouldn’t survive one season as a talent evaluator, but they have loud voices in the media.

    The guys who really know what they’re doing work for NFL teams.

    If that wasn’t true, teams could jettison their scouting departments and go with the the consensus among draft analysts.

    I have read everything I can find and watched highlight videos of Irvin…I think we’re going to look back and celebrate this pick! I’m onboard 100%.

  22. Helenahawk says:

    I neither love it or hate it, but I am mildly surprised. Only mildly though, because this team has shown that they will do things their way. I really kinda like that.
    I also don’t care about the pundits reactions, because they only exist to sell a product. Most of their negativity is because they are frustrated they missed. “We didn’t guess wrong! We are the almighty, all-knowing media”. Yeah, right.

    The truth will happen next season. I trust Pete and John. They wouldn’t risk their teams success. Pete knows this guy, and wanted him bad, has for awhile, and didn’t want someone else, especially in our division, to get him. They think he can seriously bring the heat. I think so, too. This make the team better. If Kolb or Smith or Bradford is on their back or scrambling and throwing picks on the run, it doesn’t matter who is running routes.
    I hope Bruce is all that!

  23. Palerydr says:

    Love how all the Talking heads are saying how the Cowboys made a “bold” move to get Claiborne. We made just as bold a move but nothing form the national media other than the most “Curious” move aka the worst move. Gonna be great to see them all eat their words by the end of next year. Irvin reminds me of Von Miller as a pass rusher. He has some work to do for sure but he’s gonna make some OL real nervous when the crowd gets loud and it’s 3rd and long.

  24. Ewalters7354 says:

    So stocked for the continuation of the draft!Oh I love this part of the off season.

  25. Love the potential in this pick. There’s going to be a new chant in the Nest: BRUUUUUUUUUUUCE! It will be amazing to see how he does in 2012 against the likes of Rodgers, Brady, and Romo. Don’t pass judgement until you see how the Hawks use this new toy. You can teach Technique and Scheme, but you can’t teach Motor or Speed or Desire.

    They did well to grab 2 extra picks and still get their guy. The 6th rounder is basically a late 5th (2nd pick in the 6th round). I trust this front office in every arena of scouting except one: quarterbacks. They choked severely on Whitehurst. TJAX is what he is and nothing more. If Flynn can simply be slightly better than average and toss 25TDs and 10INTs, this team will improve.

    Let’s see what they do tonight.

  26. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I would like them to go offense in round two and than pick MLB with our 3-4 picks.

    I remember Carroll talking about getting that homerun type of player on offense, so I would like to see a WR in round two. I like Sanu and some say he is too slow, however he ran in the 4.5 range on his pro day workout. I think Sanu would be a great pick!

  27. Stevos–And what makes it better is that so much talent has been pushed down to the second round that we will likely have an embarrassment of riches–several very good LB’s, WR’s, a couple good G’s, and RB’s to choose from!

    So many guys we might actually have a shot at with the next two picks! Lavonte David, plenty of WR’s, Bobby Wagner and Zach Brown possibly falling into the third, and Mychal Kendricks too…then Polk and Turbin…Im getting all spazzed out at the possibilities!

  28. Soggybuc says:

    I think that trading down and adding 2 more picks makes the situational aspect of Bruce almighty less of a sting.
    We all wanted a pass rusher and thats what we got. I knew nothing about him before last night but watching his film i am impressed. no doubt that Belicheck would grabbed this kid if we hadnt

  29. RDPoulsbo says:

    The talking heads last night really showed how little they knew about the Seahawks or Irvin. You’d guess Seattle just picked up a hoodlum to play Will LB in a vanilla 4-3 scheme if you knew nothing about the team. It really was embarrassing on both ESPN and NFL Network to hear them talk as if they had any clue what was going on.

  30. Ewalters7354 says:

    RD,the hawks have a Raheem Brock type player on the roster in Jason Jones.Do you agree?

  31. Tick Tock, Tick Tock.

    It’s only 8:41 AM.

    Tick Tock. 8:42 AM.

    The last two days have felt like treadmill time waiting for the rounds to start. At least we’ll be able to wake up to it tomorrow.

    *BTW, I was initially shocked, but I have come to terms with the pick and I’m fully ready to get as loud as I can for this guy on 3rd downs.

  32. Listening to Irvine now on the radio, actually sounds like a chill, down to earth guy. Maybe I’m just a homer or wishful thinkin, but he’s growin’ on me. I guess that’s what happens when you have a nite to ponder. Wow, he’s talkin about the sign incident, funny.

  33. RDPoulsbo says:

    Ewalters: Jason Jones is best at 3-tech DT, when played at 5-tech DE, his production dropped off.

  34. psoundpowerhouse says:

    I’m thinking maybe another Chris Doleman?… or a Charles Haley?
    I think it’s a gutsy pick.
    As far as the “talking heads” and the media….
    Siberia gets no love.
    GO SEAHAWKS!

  35. I like him

  36. GeorgiaHawk says:

    From NFL.com

    It’s official: Not one single mock draft (out of a possible 1,452,981) predicted the Seattle Seahawks taking pass rusher Bruce Irvin, as they did at No. 15.

  37. Ewalters7354 says:

    I think a lot of the people who aren’t happy with the pick is simply because he isn’t an every down player.But the hawks don’t need an every down player.They have all the components in place that allowed them to select a player that fits our biggest need.The hawks have done a great job with free agency and now the draft.Its a pleasure to watch.

  38. princeaden says:

    What time does the Draft resume ?

  39. Dukeshire says:

    RD is right. Jones has had his most successful games at 3-tech, and that’s where I envision him on passing downs here. Of course, that may change depending on how Seattle drafts the rest of the way.

  40. Soggybuc says:

    I saw that Montage too, the reason we got skipped was that is was showing all the guys on stage and BI was not in NY.

    The first time this kid puts Alex smith or Bradford on his rear end will be all we need to justify his pick anyways.

    BTW Alex is a solid guy and good human. probably not mentioned outside of the local area here but a young 15 yo girl has been missing and most likely kidnapped. Alex has been a part of the search teams on several occasions. I’m an Alex Smith fan although i’ll root for him to lose.

  41. bird_spit says:

    I would never want to meet Pete Carrol at a poker table. He is the guy that will keep you laughing while taking your money.

    What I now have seen of Bruce I is pure raw speed. They have a lot of training camp to get him ready. I think he will make the OL better because they have to practice weekly against him. I already hear the chants of ” Bruce Bruce Bruce” at the clink.

    Looking forward to this afternoon. We still need MLB and RB sooner rather than later.

    Good luck all..

  42. Ewalters7354 says:

    RD,I agree that his production dropped.But that was because he was fairly new to the DE position.But if you look at him play he actually created decent pressure at DE.So I believe he has what it takes to fill Brock’s role.I believe that’s what the FO was thinking.

  43. Dukeshire says:

    princeaden – 4pm pacific.

  44. Watch his video and tell me you do not get chills imagining those plays being made with a sold out Nest in full roar. This guy is pure uncoachable quicktwitch. Just imagine what a 4.4 40 DE/OLB could become with some coaching, not to mention feeding off the 12th man. We’ve got ourselves a Beastmode on BOTH sides of the ball. Nothing to hate about that. It’s going to be a long summer.

  45. Gotcha Soggy. That makes sense i guess…but still pretty typical for the hawks to get skipped

  46. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Check out this 1st round grade for the Seahawks, and some of the comments in response to it! Funny!

    http://walterfootball.com/offseason2012sea.php

  47. Strategicdust says:

    Duke, I think your of focusing on identifying need instead of individual players is a sound one. There is nothing conventional about the way this front office evaluates talent and, so far, they’re to be commended for it. If Irvin turns out to fill the role they envision, I’ll be happy. This front office does challenge my faith, lol.
    I’d like to think the next two rounds would see a LB and RB but I’ve prepared myself for players (and possibly positions) I’m not expecting. “With their second round pick, the Seahawks select…Russel Wilson.”

  48. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    teams are going to have to game plan for this guy he will eat RT for breakfast. i don’t find it hard to believe that he could average 3/4 sack a game thats 12 a eason he does that and the front office was incredibly smart on this pick. i see asll kinds of senerios where this guy tears things up. i see bradford on his back a lot with the line st louis has. wow this guy could be a sack leader for years(drinking that koolaid) or a bust although if he can just duplicate clems production our team wins 3-4 more games

  49. EyeAmBaldman says:

    OK, the YouTube video where Irvin takes down the LT with his left arm and the QB with his right arm is unbelievable. Not only does this guy have speed, he is strong!

  50. “We went into the off-season with the two most important needs in the NFL and came out of it with both needs fully met (QB & pass rusher). And we still have the rest of the draft to go! ”

    It’s a good point to remember. We didn’t need to reach for the 4th best QB on the board b/c we signed our QB prospect in the FA market. That’s a big deal for a team that has a lot of the other pieces in place.

    I’m glad to see the consensus starting to build on this board that this was a risk worth taking. And like everyone else, I put a lot more faith in PC/JS than I do in the dime-a-dozen draft day pundits who get unhappy when their personal expectations for the draft are not fulfilled.

    This kid can fly. Looks to me like he could use a few lbs (he really looks no bigger than Kam), but that can come in time too.

  51. RDPoulsbo says:

    I’m not following the national media on my dislike for the pick. I’m looking at it as pass rush was a need, but not at Leo. I would have been happy to get a situational pass rusher for the LDE spot. In fact, that’s exactly what you’d get with Red Bryant playing there as well. But I look at it much like why I wouldn’t have liked drafting Upshaw. He doesn’t fit the pass rushing need where it was most needed. That may change in 2013 when Clemons is a FA, but that’s not this year.

  52. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Hey, was that Nighthawk commenting at the bottom of page one in the link that I just posted? Lol.

  53. RDPoulsbo says:

    FYI: PC is about to have a press conference about picking Irvin. 710 is going to air it.

  54. chuck_easton says:

    Ok,

    Just as I thought was going to happen. One pick into the draft and we are already at DefCon 5. Fire Pete and Schneider, blow up the VMAC, move the team to another city, trade everybody, start over from scratch…

    I don’t know what those guys know, but I just have to look at Browner, Sherman, K. J. Wright, Baldwin to know these guys have an eye for talent that the national media miss because it isn’t obvious.

    Pete Carroll is one of those guys who can walk into a room full of junk and come out with the one thing that is going to be priceless. That much I do know.

    So, for now, I will trust in Pete and wait to see what the kid brings on the field.

  55. Dukeshire says:

    Well, if you’re advocating pass rush where it’s needed most, then Cox would have been the pick. Especially considering they are certain to revert to the under D line scheme. LDE won’t be required to give much in the way of pressure, as he would in an over front. And with them seemingly shifting back, we’ll see Wright playing on the line and he’ll be blitzing significantly more, than what we saw from Sam last season.

    I think we’ll get more pressure and more consistent pressure, from Irvin than from Clemons, which is saying something.

  56. cseahawk says:

    Any of the regular contributors on here(BobbyK,Pabuwal,etc)………I’vebeen looking at our trade. It seems to me like we got a little shafted getting only a 4th and a 6th to move back 3 spots. Draft value says 12 was worth 1,200…..15th was 1,050. 114 was 66, 172 was 22.6. That’s a difference of 61.4, or the 21st pick in the 4th round. Even the Rams had less of a differential from moving to 14 from 6 and getting #45(1,600 versus 1,100 + 450). Why do I get the feeling either we will pay too much if/when we move up or we will get shafted when we trade down? Doesn’t our history say we get shafted in trades during drafts? Would appreciate anyone piping in on this topic………thanks.

  57. It was either take the guy they wanted at #12 OR trade down for a 4/6 AND still get the guy they wanted. Just b/c the draft value stuff says something doesn’t mean that they got shafted. I think they hit a home run with this pick (whether taking him at 12 or 15). Now, if he and DeCastro would have both been drafted before they picked again, then I’d agree they got shafted. It couldn’t have worked out better, IMO.

  58. RDPoulsbo says:

    I would have loved Cox, but couldn’t envision any scenario where he fell to Seattle. They decided to trade down instead and I was ok with that because there were still several good guys on the board and they need more picks. Clemons can be inconsistent, but he still produces. Having a guy who’s a great fit for pass rushing on the other side would greatly up the odds that one of them will get there.

    PC just said Irvin comes in to take Brock’s position as the starting point with hopes he’ll eventually will take over Leo in the coming years. I don’t agree with that approach, but we’ll see.

  59. Dukeshire says:

    I guess they envision him racing around RTs, to start. INteresting.

  60. Many teams no longer pay much attention the the draft chart. Seattle was happy to get those two picks and get thier guy, and Philly was stoked to get thier man and not pay too much. A Win/Win for both sides. Goodwill has most likely been established between those teams, and that bodes well into the future. Dont just look at immediate impact, look down the road: if in a year or two we REALLY want to trade up to get a guy, and other teams are clamoring to trade with Philly as well, if the bidding is close–who do you think will get the trade?! WE will, because we’ve helped them out before without scalping them.

    And now we have ammo if the FO wants to trade up back into the third, or get a pick in the fifth. And if we dont move up, we can take more developmental guys. I personally think they will package picks and move up once or twice to ensure they get thier guy in the second through fifth rounds.

    Russel Wilson?!

  61. So we didnt get fleeced. Especially not since this draft is pretty loaded with talent, and for once its loaded at positions of need for us–LB, RB, DT, backup CB/S and even WR.

    We should have a practice squad well-stocked with guys with high ceilings this year!

  62. Like everyone else, my first 20-30 words at the moment they selected Irvin are not printable here, but I also quickly came to terms with it. I had actually scouted him and loved what I saw on tape, but had him pegged as a pass rush guy in the 2nd if we went LB in the 1st. Between he and Vinny Curry, I thought we’d still get our pass rusher there.

    The more I dug last night and saw that he’s the same size as Von Miller with similar speed and skills, how could you not like the pick? The fact that he may not play every down isn’t that much of a concern either when we have Red playing the first couple of downs at LDE. I even realized last night that he’s also the same height as Clemons and could probably put on some more weight to get him around the same as well, though that might hamper his speed.

    Anyone else have their fingers crossed for Kendricks today? I love the way he hits and tackles, reminds me of some alligator the way he rolls once he’s got a hold of his victim. ;o) Even though I had pushed for Kuechly early on, the more tape I watched of Kendricks, I actually love the way he plays more–way more explosive and higher motor.

    So, Kendricks and RB today?

  63. RDPoulsbo says:

    I wouldn’t call the trade a fleecing at all, especially given how good the FO has done with their middle and low round picks in the past couple years.

  64. Dukeshire says:

    I would rather have Audie Cole than Kendricks, at MLB.

  65. grizindabox24 says:

    What I see in Irvin is a raw athletic freak that does have tape and numbers from college that make him more than the usual combine workout warrior that seem to be the hot names. The knock on him is that beyond being a pass rusher, he brings nothing to the table, but I also realize that he has only been playing organized football for 4 years, since he dropped out of high school as a Sophomore. I feel that Irvin has a lot to learn, but he has more possible upside than probably every other DE/OLB that was in the draft. The only question is could the Hawks have picked another guy at #15 and still got Irvin at #43. From what I have heard, probably not.

  66. JazBadAzz says:

    The pick is actually the 2nd pick in the 4th…not bad at all!

  67. grizindabox24 says:

    I actually like Wagner over Kendricks.

  68. Griz–Me too.

    Hey, I just watched YouTube of WVU vs Russel Wilsons team: what a game! WVU’s offense sucked, but HOLY HELL! Bruce Irvin is a terror! That guy just needs some coaching, and to work on fundamentals in tackling! He’s gonna be a star!

    And Russel Wilson looked amazing, escaping pressure with ease, all while keeping his eye downfield to find the open WR. And he didnt seem to care if his WR’s dropped two passes in a row, cause on third and long he’d escape the pressure and drill a pass for 15!

    I want Russel Wilson! I dont care if we have to take him in the fourth, even trade up in the fourth, I WANT this kid! I no longer give a damn about his lack of height–the kid can read defenses and boy can he run!

  69. Jaz–Im telling you, we’re taking Wilson in the fourth with that first pick!

  70. Dukeshire–I dont know anything about Audie Cole, but I have seen Wagner and Kendricks tape–some–and they both look good. I would love to see us get a LB in the second or third, and one later.

  71. What if Fleener is there when we pick in the 2nd today? Snag him?

  72. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    what if johnithan martin makes it to us, the guy is a great pass pro i think we right carp of at RT and draft this guy for RT back up LT

  73. Bring a die hard Seahawk fan…I trust Carroll on what he is doing and I think he made a decent pick. Afterall, Carroll’s defense was pretty damn good last year! They have a plan and Irvin fits into the plan. I am hoping that this leads to bigger and better things. The extra couple draft picks we got for trading down could produce something worthwhile also! Football season cannot come soon enough!

  74. There are quite a few players that are still available that I really like. I’m excited.

  75. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    booby do you take OL if one falls to us?

  76. No. I love/trusted DeCastro. He was so good and his psycho intangibles were the only reason he was an exception to the rule. I’d be happy with more front seven help.

  77. Mike Martin, Mike Martin, Mike Martin, Mike Martin, Mike Martin, Mike Martin.

    DT, Michigan

    –RDP this pick will help you sleep at night. Martin will eventually beat out Branch and allow the option of kicking Jones out to strong side DE.

    I’ll make you a deal Duke, you get your pet Turbin if I get my pet Martin! Let’s get them both tonight.

  78. Dukeshire says:

    The more I think about it, I can envision Wright moving to Mike and Irvin at Sam in some packages, playing on the line. Essentially a Leo on the strong side. I’m going to go back over the next couple days, and study Matthews at USC, and the different ways he was used in Carroll’s classic under. That will be fun.

  79. Duke – let us know what you come up with. I’m too lazy to do that.

    I am subscribing to the “you can’t have too many good pass rushers” theory and still want Vinny Curry if he’s available with our 2nd rounder tonight. I think we can still get a good LB or two with the 3rd and/or 4th rounder(s).

  80. HawkfaninMT says:

    Order of preference for me:

    Upshaw
    Randle
    Curry
    David
    Kendricks
    Brown
    Glenn
    Allen
    Sanu
    Fleener
    Martin
    Jenkins

  81. SandpointHawk says:

    Bobby, New York has certainly done OK with that philosophy…

  82. It’s a copycat league and we need to copy it! Bring on Vinny Curry!

  83. Just getting around to posting something on the Irvin pick.

    And I have to say, it’s pretty comical reading some of the comments from posters. Calling for PC and JS heads, “they’re morons, we’re getting picked apart by the national media etc.”

    People have to remember, as much as you think you know about football, it wouldn’t fit in a thimble as compared to these guys that work for a team. I LOVE football and the Seahawks, boarder line obsessed with it, consider myself very knowledgable in the game and I can recognize that the people in charge know much, much, much, much better than I do, and more than I ever will.

    People read some mock drafts, watch some youtube videos, maybe watch some guys at the combine on NFL network, and know exactly who they should take. Then the draftniks rate teams as having a bad draft because they didn’t pick players that they had them taking in their mock drafts.

    The guys in charge actually interview players. They watch hours, and hours, and hours, of tape on specific players in specific situations, they review medical histories, go as far as having psychological profiles put together on these guys. And you honestly think you know better?

    I for one have been blown away with the talent that PC & JS can unearth from seemingly nowhere. I love the fact that they’re willing to go out to left field and take they guys they want. If they’re the guys that they identify as making the team better, I could care less where they draft them. If Irvin is the guy they wanted, then kudos. To the draftnicks that say they should have traded back, or simply picked him up in the second round…..how the hell do you know?

    I’ve watched some video on the guy, looks like a hell of an edge rusher. And maybe he can be a 3 down guy eventually with some size and some time in Carrol/Bradley’s version of a 4-3 in lieu of the 3-3-5 he played in at WV. Hopefully he can keep his nose clean.

    Keep things in perspetive people.

    Go Hawks!

  84. Kind of a strange piece of info on Irvin, he’s 24. Not a real big deal I guess.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seahawksblog/2018085511_anoteaboutbruceirvinsagehes24.html

  85. Macabrevity says:

    I’d love to see another pass rusher like Curry (give him Aaron’s number!!!) or a stud MLB, as long as it’s not Zach Brown… I’ve heard him compared to Aaron Curry in terms of instincts. Don’t know if it’s true, but just hearing that comparison is enough to scare me off even the best talent… at least temporarily.

  86. grizindabox24 says:

    After watching some more of Irvin, I noticed that West Virginia ran alot of 3 man fronts. Irvin struggled when lined up inside the tackle, but when he was able to line up outside the tackle, the guy is a freak.

  87. Dukeshire says:

    Galena – Deal!

  88. raymaines says:

    One trick pony? Situational player? Maybe right now, but not for long. He hasn’t been in the same school (or any school really) long enough to get decent coaching and he’s the same size and weight as Lawrence Taylor and Derick Thomas. If he gets 10-12 sacks this year in a situational role I’ll be crazy happy, and then give him a year of good coaching and some weight work and we’ll see how many tricks he knows next year.

    I think this years “draft” will be more defined by Matt Flynn than anybody we acquire over the weekend.

    Geoux ‘Hawks.

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