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Morning links: Draft day

Post by Eric Williams on April 26, 2012 at 7:33 am with 102 Comments »
April 26, 2012 7:34 am
NFL football draft prospects Andrew Luck, left, of Stanford, and Robert Griffin III, of Baylor, attend a reception during their visit to the trading floor of the New York Stock Exchange, Wednesday, April 25, 2012. The college stars are preparing for the NFL draft Thursday night at Radio City Music Hall. (AP Photo/Richard Drew)

Well, we’re finally here. Here’s our plan for the day. Dave Boling, Doug Pacey and I will be at the VMAC providing live coverage. We’ll get there around 3 p.m., and our live chat will begin at 4:30 p.m., so check here throughout the day for breaking news or other updates.

You can also follow the Seahawks draft room live here later today.

My story today focuses on Seattle making the choice between pass rushers Quinton Coples of North Carolina and South Carolina’s Melvin Ingram if they stay at No. 12.

Coples offers that special quality of a prototypical pass rusher who could develop into a pro bowler, while Ingram is a versatile defender that the Seahawks could use all over the field.

“There’s a guy that’s 6-foot-5-inches-plus that runs 4.6’s in Coples,” Pete Carroll said. “He has prototypical numbers and he’s a classic in the profile of the big pass rusher.

“Ingram is much more of a different guy. He is an inside pass rusher primarily that plays outside linebacker at times, that plays ‘Mike’ (middle) linebacker at times. He’s all over the place, and he’s utilized totally differently.

“He’s a shorter guy with shorter leverage and all of that, and has effectiveness and a total different style. They’re just widely different. Both are very effective and great prospects that will go high in the draft.”

Dave Boling of The News Tribune reviews Seattle general manager John Schneider’s draft history heading into the draft today.

Clare Farnsworth of Seahawks.com takes a look at this year’s defensive back class and what it means for Seattle.

Danny O’Neil of the Seattle Times now has the Seahawks selecting Jones at No. 12.

Jerry Brewer of the Seattle Times asks Seattle not to draft Ryan Tannehill if he’s available at No. 12.

ESPN’s Mel Kiper has Seattle selecting Syracuse defensive end Chandler Jones at No. 12, a player that has risen up the draft boards in the last few days. Mike Sando also offers his thoughts on the choice.

Mike Mayock of the NFL Network says three years from now Jones could be the best defensive player to come out of this draft in this video clip.

Look, Jones is a rangy athlete who is very talented and possibly has a chance to develop into a Jason Pierre-Paul type of pass rusher. But just watching a few clips on Youtube this morning he looks a bit awkward moving around to me, doesn’t find the football well and he has durability issues. The Seahawks need someone who can make an impact now, not in three years.

John Boyle of the Everett Herald has Seattle selecting North Carolina defensive end Quinton Coples at No. 12.

Mike Mayock of the NFL Network has Seattle selecting Quinton Coples.

ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reports we could be seeing the end to the Pro Bowl.

Mark Gaughan of the Buffalo News reports the Bills have a legitimate shot to move up in the draft in a swap with Minnesota and select USC left tackle Matt Kalil at No. 3.

NFL agent Jack Bechta of the National Football Post offers a nice perspective piece on the failed drug test being leaked to reporters, the last-minute draft misinformation that out there heading into the final day of the draft and also the market for undrafted rookie free agents.

Seahawks owner Paul Allen tweets the new poster of Marshawn Lynch at CenturyLink Field.

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  1. Still can’t get over the fact that RG3 looks like the lost brother of Andre 3000, damn man. But I’m excited, finally the draft is here, and while I wont be able to watch rounds 2 and 3, I’m super, super stoked about this year, so many great players to choose from, can’t wait to see what trades are made, who slips and who reaches, this is going to be great!

  2. Dukeshire says:

    Have fun today, Eric.

    The pro bowl had it’s day, but it’s time to take it out behind the shed, now. It’s an unwatchable waste of time, IMO.

    I really respect Mayock, but he’s beginning to develop a bad habit of hyperbole regarding some players. He’s doing it more and more as he’s on. I really hope he doesn’t get too carried away, because he really is one of the very best talent evaluators on television, IMO.

  3. chrisj122 says:

    Soon we will see how accurate the so-called experts are with their predictions and mock drafts. I hate mock drafts, we know the two guys in the pic above are going one and two but beyond that it’s anyones guess.

    Although it should be a little easier for the so-called experts to predict this years draft without Al Davis.

  4. Soggybuc says:

    I don’t mind the Pro Bowl being a goof off and joke game. the guys have just spent 16 or more games beating the snot out of each other and you want them to do it one more time in a meaningless game?
    It supposed to be about fun for the guys, a way to reward guys who played hard when it counted and none of them want to get hurt or ruin their lively hood for our Romanistic sadism.
    Would you be OK with ET getting his knee blown out in Hawaii and sidelining him for half a season?

  5. RDPoulsbo says:

    Great article Eric. When I made my mock, I was thinking who to pick between Ingram or Coples. If it were me, I’d go Coples because I see him as the better pairing at LDE with Clemons on the other side this year. I went with Ingram though because I think PC sees Ingram for the long term replacement for Clemons and plays him inside at 3-tech on passing downs this year.

    They really are 2 completely different players with different styles and both versatile enough to find a spot for them somewhere on the line.

  6. Dukeshire says:

    Soggybuc – No. I don’t want them to have to play at all. Let them have a skills competition, or some such, in Hawaii. But no one wants to play in it. The league pressures players to show up. The whole things is just silly, to me.

  7. The last case for DeCastro:

    The guy is psycho/intense. He’ll get in your face. He’s not scared of anyone and will tell any player off. A team coached by Mr. Happy needs this. His entire NFL head coaching career he has proved that he’s nothing above average with respect to penalties. His strengths are in other areas, but not as an enforcer of penalties. He needs enforcers who can help police the team and there’s nobody better in the draft, IMO, than DeCastro. Does anyone think that DeCastro will put up with all the false start crap and things of that nature that plagued our offense last year after what we’ve learned about his personality this off-season? If Golden Tate wants to run a wrong route, DeCastro is probably going to threaten to break his neck if he does it again. I’ll bet Tate will be a little more focused the next time instead of Mr. Happy making some happy/encouraging comment to him.

    Sure, I thought DeCastro was great a few months ago. I don’t think he’s gotten better the last two months (I’m looking at you, chuck) but I really only knew him a dominant guard. That’s it. And we don’t/didn’t need a guard.

    However, I had no clue about his passion for football (that’s why I have fallen in love with him) and how much he cares to win and be perfect. Sure, you can tell he plays hard, but most players do. This is a guy that a coach like Mr. Happy needs because of his intensity and leadership qualities of holding players accountable.

    Give me the super/psycho intense guy that plays under control any day of the week over someone with questionable effort at a more important position. That’s just me.

  8. Dukeshire says:

    I don’t see Ingram as a Clem replacement. I envision him as the strong side player, in a 4-3, as Sam and LDE in nickle. They signed Jones to play 3-tech on passing downs (who, like Ingram, is far too light to play there effectively, IMO, regardless) Coples (who I took) I see as a Clem replacement, although I agree that he too could bookend nicely with him.

  9. “I really respect Mayock, but he’s beginning to develop a bad habit of hyperbole regarding some players. He’s doing it more and more as he’s on. I really hope he doesn’t get too carried away, because he really is one of the very best talent evaluators on television, IMO.”

    Totally agree, Duke. He needs to not rely on his gut feelings so much — leave that to the fans. Really, what has Chandler Jones shown that sets him apart from Quinton Coples and Melvin Ingram? Thankfully, PC and JS won’t be influenced by what Mayock is saying — and I trust them to pick the right guy (not that they’re infallible).

    I’m just hoping it will be a pass-rusher (Coples, Ingram, Mercilus, Cox, etc.) not a cornerback or safety. However if they pick DeCastro, I won’t complain too much. I’ll just picture Beast Mode getting 2,000 yards.

  10. HawkfaninMT says:

    Holy moly Chandler Jones came from out of relative obscurity to a top 12 pick fast! If this guy was so good, why did it take up until the day before the draft for anyone to notice? I know it happens all the time, but I just don’t get how!

  11. The pro bowl has devolved into little more than a skills competition. I’m ok with that.

    I’m still hoping for Coples today. I think his upside is best player in the draft and multiple pro bowls and his lack of motivation bust factor is more perceived than actual and would be mitigated by strong leadership and coaching.

  12. RDPoulsbo says:

    Ingram just seems to be a bigger version of Clemons, which is why I’d see him moving there eventually. Inside at 3-tech would allow him to get by less athletic guards where his shorter arms are less of an issue. It might be a problem on the strong side where he’d be chip blocked by TEs so the RT can engage him. With the move to more TEs, you’ll be seeing this more often.

    Coples is a big guy with a strong bull rush, so he shouldn’t have problems with those RTs. He’s much more of that prototypical RDE rather than a Leo though.

    There’s a roumor that Buffalo is looking to trade up to #3 to take Kalil. If that happens, it’s 1 less team above Seattle that could be going d-line so both could realistically be there. It’s an interesting decision.

  13. SandpointHawk says:

    I was looking at Chandler Jones last week when he was a projected 2nd rounder. I don’t understand at all why he has shot up the boards in the last week. Doesn’t seem to have the stats.

  14. Palerydr says:

    So Eric considering the limitless resources available to you at the TNT are you guys gonna hire a lip reader to be in the draft room with you to get us the inside intel we all crave?

  15. Palerydr says:

    I don’t get why Chandler Jones is rising I would think that most draft boards are set and wherever he was a week ago is where he is today which I see as an early 2nd round choice.

  16. piperfeltcher says:

    I would be sick if we drafted Jones at 12. He was average at best in college and I could care less how athletic a guy is or how much he can lift I want a player who produces on the field. I will take a player who has dominated in high school and then in college over a guy who has been average but has potential.

  17. Ewalters7354 says:

    ALERT!!!Melvin Ingram has Vernon Gholston written ALL over him!Let’s just get the most talented player and take QC.He gonna be dominant on the pro level.

  18. piperfeltcher says:

    Devon Still has been plumeting down the mock drafts for no real reason. He was a good player at Penn State and when all the football had been played was talked about as a top 15 selection. He did alright at the combine and has had no legal problems yet now he looks like a early 2nd round pick.

  19. RDPoulsbo says:

    Jones is yet another example of why I’m usually very nervous about taking late risers. He showed he’s workout warrior at the combine and pro day, but it doesn’t change his body of work on the field. I think he should be drafted below Curry.

  20. piperfeltcher says:

    I would take QC over Ingram.

  21. Chandler Jones is indeed shooting up the charts. Even locals like O’Neil are now predicting he could be drafted at 12. I saw him in Syracuse in 2010 and 11 where my niece was a cheerleader and the Orange fans were all buzzing about the kid whose brother is in the NFL. Had a beer standing next to him at a booster party, so I’d be a bit star struck if the kid ended up here on our team. In 2010 he looked more like a basketball power forward than a football player, but he’s still growing. It would be very cool to see PC shock the league and draft him at 12, though I’m not sure he would be ready to break out as a rookie, more like a future replacement for Clemmons.

    Coples could pass rush on third down from LDE on day one, and replace Clem in a year or two.

    But Ingram is still my guy. I’d love to see him thumping people at LB and blitzing from everywhere.

    Still… I have this feeling the Seahawks will take the “safe” pick in the first round and pick Kuechly. Carroll says he wants pass rush but he can’t resist a guy who can run and cover.

  22. Dukeshire says:

    RDPoulsbo – That’s interesting, because I see Coples as the bigger Clem. Clem is pretty long with good leverage and Coples has that in spades. Ingram would certainly seem to be the more versatile of the two. And if he were only a bit heavier, I’d love to see him at 3-tech in nickle, for the reasons you mentioned. But my concern now, is that guards would be able to push him around, where in space his quickness would win out. Just thoughts…

  23. HawkfaninMT says:

    I have thought the same about Still. I will say when the season ended I did not want him at 12 at all. I was very aginst that idea. I also think that Michael brockers entering the draft and Poe shoing off at the combine has pushed still down the DT rankings. But in the 2nd I would feel as though the value is great there. he should definitely be drafted before Worthey IMO, and before Poe if I were the doing the drafting.

  24. Palerydr says:

    Does anyone agree with me in thinking the Cowboys, Jets and Chargers might get into a bidding war to move up to our spot and draft Barron?

  25. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I agree with you BobbyK! DeCastro would be like having a coach out there on the playing field. A coach that doesn’t take no crap from any player! He already has that Holmgren tough guy sneer.

    I just hope we don’t pass him up,( if he is there ), just to see Arizona get him!

  26. boucherm says:

    Coples best year came while playing a lot of snaps at DT, with a high-end pass rusher (Robert Quinn) lined up next to him. When he was asked to be the primary rusher last year he was underwhelming.
    I like him and his body-type, but doubt he can replace Clem in a couple years as the primary pass-rusher.

  27. Georgia – If DeCastro was as great as he is but had a quiet personality, I wouldn’t want him at #12 b/c of how badly I want our pass rush improved. But since he’s that tough, intense, outspoken, etc., I want him. He brings intangibles that you can’t measure at the combine.

  28. boucherm says:

    Also, I think we trade with the Eagles and pick Chandler Jones at 15.

  29. RDPoulsbo says:

    I liked Still until they got Jason Jones in FA. He’s not nearly as versatile as Coples or Ingram, so I can’t see him playing anything other than 3-tech. Would they move Jones to LDE to accommodate him? If so, he wasn’t as effective at the end spot and would rather play inside. I haven’t thought about it for a while, but it’s an outside possibility. Still, the lack of versatility probably hurts him in the eyes of PC and might be the reason he’s falling.

    I think Poe will go to a 3-4 team that’s looking for someone to eat up blockers. I don’t see much value in him in a 4-3 defense.

  30. Looking like Osi could possibly be had for a 3rd round pick. Looking like Freeney could be had for a later round pick.

    I hope we’re able to trade down (even if DeCastro is available).

    I’d really be cool to add some picks by moving into the mid/late teens.

    I can see DeCastro being gone by the time we pick, I could see him lasting well into the teens. So much unknown that will be known in less than a half day. Can’t wait!

  31. Ewalters7354 says:

    Chandler Jones is a very overrated player.I really hate how these so called late risers all of a sudden become hall of fame talent.Combine numbers don’t mean squat.Show me production at that level and if you are just a great talent like Jones is NOT and you fill an obvious void on the team then we’ll draft you.I really believe our FO won’t get pulled into the media like Tim Ruskell did so well.That guy was an absolute jerk.

  32. Palerydr says:

    Bobby you picked Coples not Decastro in the 1st round?

  33. Andy Reid is only going to take a player he thinks can/will make an immediate impact this year. If they suck again, he’s going to get fired. No way he’ll take a developmental project in the 1st round. I think they will go LB or S b/c it’s easier for them to have more impact right away (even though his history suggests he likes linemen in the 1st round – but that was when he had more job security, too). I could see a few teams be willing to trade a ’13 pick (Eagles/Chargers) b/c if the guy making the picks has a bad year this year, he won’t be around to use them next season anyways. I’d be okay moving down to the Eagles or Chargers picks and not picking up any picks this year if it meant stockpiling for next year. We’ll still end up with a pass rusher with one of those picks.

  34. Strategicdust says:

    I’d like to think the Chandler Jones rise is more smokescreen than reality. I’m sure teams push lower round choices up the board to create false buzz and get other teams to waste their choices. Let’s hope this regime tunes that out.
    If they’re not chosen earlier, I believe Coples or Ingram will be the choice. I’d prefer Decastro or Kuechly but I think the desire for another pass rusher will win out. Getting some additional draft choices would be terrific although as Mr. Petty would say, the waiting is the hardest part.

  35. There is no way DeCastro is gone by the Seahawks pick.

    I have to think Coples will be the guy. Pete Carroll loves that size and length. He may never get a chance to pick up a player like that again.

  36. Ewalters7354 says:

    Luck Kuechly is a good player just not at 12.People fell in love with his combine numbers and he all of a sudden became the next Urlacher.I doubt that seriously.A bunch of tackles don’t mean you are a great player That’s why I believe they didn’t chase after Heater.I think that if the hawk are picking at 12 they are gonna add an impact player.Just look at Russel Okung and ET.

  37. Palerydr – Unfortunately, I think they will pick Coples over DeCastro. No way in heck I’d ever do it, but I think they will. I hope I’m wrong!

  38. pabs – if you’re that sure, I’ll bet you my zero dollars to your hundred dollars on that. You have nothing to lose because you just said there’s “no way” he’ll be gone.

  39. Strategicdust says:

    I’m also for killing off the pro bowl, there’s just no point to it. It’s awkward having it before the Super Bowl (and no players from presumably the two best teams), and it does nothing to showcase the talents from the best players. They might as well just have them play golf in Hawaii. I’d continue to recognize them as All Stars/Pro Bowlers but there’s no need to play the game.

  40. Ewalters7354 says:

    Pabs, that’s exactly my point.

  41. BobbyK – how about we make a bet on this just to keep score? I will give you 2 points if he is taken by the Seahawks pick to the 1 you will give me if he is not.

    We should also make a Flynn vs Jackson opening day starter bet. 1:1.

  42. HawkfaninMT says:

    By the same token Bobby I will bet you my zero dollars to your 100 dollars that Perry will be there in the 2nd round.

  43. piperfeltcher says:

    Philly takes Brockers if he is there still and may try and trade up to get him.

  44. piperfeltcher says:

    I do not think Decastro is there at 12. I highly doubt Perry makes it into the 2nd sounds like SD likes him

  45. HawkfaninMT says:

    Highly doubt I can accept. Bobby equated Perry in the 2nd to taking Griffin in the 3rd.

  46. piperfeltcher says:

    Kuechly was more then just a combine player he led the nation in tackles and is regarded as one of the best cover LBers to come out in years.

  47. Dukeshire says:

    Poe would be okay here if they needed a NT, which they do not.

    Ewalters7354 – Kuechly is so much more than simply a tackle machine. The kid is a complete player. His combine numbers confirmed what the tape showed, which is exactly what you’d hope to see for a highly successful player. He’s not C Jones who did next to nothing in college and is a riser because of his workouts.

  48. Dukeshire says:

    piperfeltcher – Beat me to it.

  49. HawkfaninMT says:

    I take the preivous statment back. BK said Luck in the 6th, not Griffin in the 3rd

  50. piperfeltcher says:

    Think Luck would would have to be caught fleeing the state with 2 dead ex girlfriends to fall to the 6th.

  51. Strategicdust says:

    piperfeltcher, I think it would even take more than that to get Luck out of the first round.

  52. piperfeltcher says:

    Ya Raiders would like his elusiveness and take him in the 2nd.

  53. pabs – sounds good.

    If Trent Richardson is there in the 7th, I say we take him to back-up Lynch.

  54. I’d like to point out that Pierre-Paul didn’t do a whole lot in college either, not that I’m comparing the two, Paul is a physical monster, and while I think Chandler Jones is an amazing athlete as well, he isn’t in that class. That said, I really like him as a later 1st round pick, I think he could be great, I’d rather take a chance on him than Coples, even as a Tar Heel fan. Coples attitude really bothers me, and his motor is not where it should be. If Pete and John believe they can put some fire into his ass, and make him play the way he should, I’m all for it and I will support the pick, but I will have a lot of worries about him.

  55. piperfeltcher says:

    I like Coaples and think he will do well but when I watch him there is something about his style that reminds me of Lamar King.

  56. Looking over the mocks I see quite a few with Vontaze Burficit why? The guy has knucklehead written all over him. I wouldn’t waste a pick even if it’s a late round flyer. This guy is the poster child for Bobbyk’s theories about players with a bad rep why do we want them on our team?

  57. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Who do you think will be the most likely players that teams would want to move up for at #12?

  58. piperfeltcher says:

    Brockers or Barron.

  59. Macabrevity says:

    Poulsbo – good call on that, late risers make me nervous too – and like you, I also feel there’s more value in late fallers.

    On to Mayock… he’s getting sloppy, I really do believe that, but his man-wood for Chandler Jones has everyone else convinced. I watched the NFL roundtable draft, and Chandler was the first end picked, while Mayock was moderating. I haven’t seen much game tape, but in the workout footage he looks awkward and uncoordinated.

  60. Coples is bust city. Sea can’t gamble at 12. They need a sure thing. DeCastraphe or Barron or a trade down.

  61. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Palerydr- I can’t give you a good reason why I chose Burficit at #6 in my mock, other than I figured the FO will make at least one head scratching pick, so why not make it a later pick.

  62. Macabrevity says:

    With the Pats knocking at the door, do we bite? (love those mixed metaphors) No idea what they’re offering, but what if it was #27 and #31 this year?

  63. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I heard that Dallas likes Barron, but who likes Brockers?

  64. HawkfaninMT says:

    It seems like he can be had as a UDFA at this point. I don’t remember a guy taking this big of a fall ever

  65. EyeAmBaldman says:

    I seem to remember when everyone here said we needed a pass rusher last year and in nearly all the mock drafts (ours and the experts) we were picking a DE. What happened? We got James Carpenter. It wouldn’t surprise me if something similar happens tonight. I do think they want to trade back to get two or three extra picks. Ammo to either move back into a round or pick at a depth position.

    I do believe DeCastro will be available @ 12 but I don’t believe we will pick him. Guards never go this high, but this year could be the exception. I just don’t think so. The tackle position is more highly regarded than the guard.

    Regardless, I don’t think the pick will be Coples either. I’m not a fan of his at all, but what do I know? Nothing.

  66. piperfeltcher says:

    Philly is rumoured to like Brockers as is NE.

  67. piperfeltcher says:

    I would trade the 12th pick to NE for the 27 and 31 in a heartbeat.

  68. GeorgiaHawk says:

    It will be interesting to see what the Vikings do with pick #3. And how that may effect us at 12.

  69. HawkfaninMT says:

    I don’t feel like everyone was clamoring for a DE last year. Maybe my memory sucks, in fact I know it does! I definitely remember people talking about Sherrod, and Carimi, and Kaepernick (sp?), and Dalton, and Jimmy Smith… But I can’t think of a DE people were hoping we would get

  70. GeorgiaHawk says:

    If we don’t get a player that will make an impact from day 1 at the #12 pick than I am all for moving down.

  71. chuck_easton says:

    Just reported on PFT that the Patriots have indeed contacted Seattle to see what it would take to move up to 12.

    The trade value chart says 27 and 31 is more than a fair trade.

    Just hope whatever player they want at 12 is still there. It’s either Brockers or Barron. Keeping fingers crossed that one of those two stays put at 12.

  72. HawkfaninMT says:

    Who could we get at 27/31? Curry and Wright?

  73. GeorgiaHawk says:

    That would be great Chuck if we could pull off this trade!

  74. Yes. I would love that trade!

    Vinny Curry, baby! And something else!

  75. Duke and any other Oregonians we should make a trip up to one of the games this year. I re-upped my club seats this year, it should be a blast. There is charter busses out of Portland for each game. Also trading for Pats two 1′st is a no brainer.

  76. KJR just reported that Seahawks and New England has traded the first round pick.

  77. Dukeshire says:

    dacmike – I’d be all for it! Email Eric and get my info so we can hook it up. That would be a gas.

  78. Getting the 12th pick will require more than 2 first round pick new england has. I would take their 2 first rounder, plus the second they have from oakland.

  79. Wow, Pats have a lot of picks, this seems like a possibility, please make it happen!! If we could get two first rounders and an extra in two, three or even four, with the talent our front office seems to have for digging up players in the middle rounds, man I’m praying to the draft gods for this to happen!

  80. chuck_easton says:

    CYREEN,

    Actually no. The 12th pick is worth 1,200 on the trade scale that is used by most teams.

    The 27th pick is worth 680 and the 31st pick is worth 600. So Seattle comes out +80 and gets to late 1st round picks out of the deal.

  81. princeaden says:

    Any conformation on this trade report? If so, what exactly is it ?

  82. chuck_easton says:

    No confirmation. Just reports that the two teams have talked. That has now spun out of control to the deal is done.

    Not in NE’s best interest to commit to the deal until Seattle is on the clock tonight and the player(s) NE wants is/are still available.

    It’s at that point the trigger is pulled. No further confirmation as to what Seattle would get in return, just that NE has the 27th and 31st picks in round 1 and those two combined equal the value for the 12th pick.

    Still way to early to say this is a done deal.

  83. HawkfaninMT says:

    Pats are aying they haven’t even contacted the Hawks… Don’t get too excited about anything today until it actually happens!

  84. If the Pats really wanted our 12th pick I am sure they would give their two 1st and another pick regardless of what the trade scale shows especially if the safety Mark Barron is available.

  85. Macabrevity says:

    Awesome idea earlier about turning the Pro Bowl into an NFL golf event. I would actually tune in for that… of late I usually take the week off and rest my eyes.

  86. princeaden says:

    Thank you the clarification. I am one overreacting MOFO !!

  87. Macabrevity says:

    If this trade does pan out, I like it better than drafting any of the pass rush options out there at #12. The guys slotted to be available at 12 just don’t strike me as head and shoulders above the guys that could be there at 27/31… so take the extra player if we’re going DE. Chuck’s right as to the value… I doubt we would net another pick if it was 27 + 31 on the table, but honestly that’s good enough. With NE’s FO, I doubt they’ll do anything stupid. Now if it was a GM like A.J.Smith, who could be out the door next season, I think the trade value chart goes out the window.

  88. What would really hack me off is if KC and Arizona both get deals done to add picks but we don’t.

  89. Ewalters7354 says:

    Duke,Kuechly is a very good player but is he a Pat Willis,Brian Urlacher,or even a Jon Beason?I think if you are picking at 12 you should look for a player who is playing will with an even higher ceiling.I just don’t believe Kuechly’s ceiling will go any higher.

  90. Dukeshire says:

    That’s fair. But to imply, as you did, that his popularity as a player is a result of his combine workout, is false. That’s all.

  91. Agree with Duke Kuechly would be drafted just as much for his football IQ as his athletic talent.

  92. RDPoulsbo says:

    Barron seems to be the one teams want with the #12 pick.

    NE, Dallas, the Jets, and maybe SD all could be wanting to trade up. The problem might be if the Jets and SD swing a deal with Buffalo to get him. The Bills won’t trade with a division rival.

  93. tchristensen says:

    Hightower at #27 and Fleener at #31, Then grab Curry in the second round. That would be awesome.

  94. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    how about 27 then 48 then 93 this trade is values at 1220. i like the idea of 2 extra picks

  95. Ewalters7354 says:

    Duke,I agree.I just think there are a lot of other players who can be productive later in the draft.

  96. Im telling y’all, there’s no way the Pats offered thier picks to Seattle and let it leak out. First, the Pats CRAVE and DEMAND utter secrecy surrounding the trading of picks, with good reason. Secondly, Seattle has no incentive to “leak” the info; if the Pats actually were offering to trade, and Seattle let the info out in an attempt to up the price by getting other teams to try to trade with us, the Pats would never trade with Seattle again–thats how they work. And if Seattle floated the rumor trying to drum up interest in trading for our pick, the Pats would be pissed–and it isnt a good idea to piss them off, as they keep sprouting head coaches around the league. You do that, pretty soon half the league hates you. Not a smart move.

    This is simply draft hype.

    Though it wouldnt bother me to see us do the trade–we should have a shot at several good DE/LB prospects and plenty more. I would love the trade. Makes sense because the Pats really need a stud WR or any stud Defensive player, while Seattle still has multiple holes to fill. We need solid to star players in mulitples, while the Pats need an explosive player more than two more solid guys.

  97. SeahawkFan12 says:

    If this trade with the Patriots is true, I hope we draft Shea McClellin. High-motor pass rusher the Packers covet: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=70853&draftyear=2012&genpos=OLB

  98. One thing for certain…its draft day and time to put all the rumors to rest…I admit it is fun to dream up shemes on what the Hawks should do…but tonight is the night when all comes out for the first round…Thank goodness! I have been waiting for this day!

    I can honestly see the Hawks trading down with someone. The NE deal would be too good to be true in my opinion. You could address 2 issues in the first round instead of just one. Normally, first round picks can make an impact.

    I am looking forward to seeing what the Hawks do and to see where the Hawks will be focusing.

  99. chuck_easton says:

    Well,

    Not that it means a hill of beans except the standard “stay tuned for the next exciting episode of as the draft turns…more intrigue to come…” but Dallas is supposedely now set on Brockers at #14. If that’s the case and a team like NE wants him, they can come see Seattle at 12.

    In other words, now I HAVE to be watching tonight. I am just going to have to tell the family that dad needs some alone time with the spare TV and they can check to see if I’m breathing every 30 minutes or so.

  100. I with you chuck – Draft day is a protected holiday event every year. Wife knows the deal, she’s actually really awesome about it – she’s making wings and sushi rolls right now… I miss the Saturday morning draft though, she used to make a ridiculous breakfast buffett because she knew I’d be frustrated with our pick. Tonight is going to be fun, alcohol should help deal with any potential frustration/overreaction because I can’t help but have my favorites.

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