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Post by Eric Williams on April 16, 2012 at 8:04 am with 65 Comments »
April 16, 2012 8:04 am
Marshall defensive lineman Vinny Curry, right, hurries Virginia Tech quarterback Logan Thomas during the first half of an NCAA football game Saturday, Sept. 24, 2011, in Huntington, W.Va. (AP Photo/Randy Snyder)

Rob Rang of has one again graciously agreed to provide a position-by-position breakdown for us here at Seahawks insider with a focus on Seattle’s draft needs.

But if you want to get a jump on what he thinks about the Seahawks heading into this year’s draft, check out Rang’s article from today at CBS Sports.

Rang points to five players – Boston College linebacker Luke Kuechly, North Carolina defensive end Quinton Coples, Marshall defensive end Vinny Curry, Miami outside linebacker Sean Spence and Missouri tight end Michael Egnew – as possible targets throughout the draft for Seattle.

Bob Velin of USA Today takes a closer look at the defensive end draft class, including a feature on North Carolina defensive end Quinton Coples.

Evan Silva of considers linebacker, defensive end, cornerback and running back as the top needs for Seattle heading into the draft.

ESPN’s Mike Sando writes that the Seahawks will be traveling 14,228 miles on road trips this season. Seattle usually in the top five teams in frequent flyer miles because of the team’s location in the northwest corner of the country.

Peter King of Sports Illustrated quotes a source stating Pete Carroll was giddy about Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill’s throwing ability at his pro day, and that there’s no way Seattle would pass on Tannehill at No. 12.

Clare Farnsworth of provides a breakdown of phase 1 of the beginning of Seattle’s offseason program, which starts today.

Jeff Duncan of the New Orleans Times-Picayune reports that former Seahawk LB David Hawthorne signed a five-year, $19 million deal with New Orleans that included a $3.8 million signing bonus.

We often write about the bad situations athletes get themselves into, but I thought this was cool story worth pointing out – Alabama running back Trent Richardson escorted 17-year-old cancer survivor Courtney Alvis to her senior prom in Birmingham, Alabama. Richardson said his own mother is a cancer survivor.

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  1. Uh oh … better hope Tannehill doesn’t slip to No. 12. I don’t want a first-round QB. Would rather they take one in the fifth round.

  2. JazBadAzz says:

    I believe Coples when he said the postion change was why his numbers sorta feel off. He also had a world of crap going on around you, and we all know how young men can be distracted when friends and teammates get in trouble. But in his fairness it was 2.5sack less his 2011 season. Im not seeing the red flags that people are throwing. I never said pick him because I never thought he would make it to us.

    Trent Richardson is super cool for taking that kid to the prom! I think he will make a team win 3-4 more wins by his self alone!

  3. RDPoulsbo says:

    What’s with this Tannehill boomlet? Not going to happen. Just like Kam playing LB.

    Yeah, the Coples thing is overblown. It comes from his initial resistance to changing positions and seems to have taken a life of it’s own. In any case, Seattle would play him primarily at LDE on passing downs…right where he most likes to play. He’ll transition fine to RDE after a year or so under his belt and Clemons retires.

    Curry is an interesting pick in the 2nd round, but I think he’s the last of the DEs that could see significant playing time this year and it would be playing with fire to hope he’ll be around when Seattle picks.

  4. Do any of them pull girls hair?

  5. JazBadAzz says:

    Is Doug Martin in the 2nd to high? I hope Janoris Jenkins slips to us in the 2nd. I have been thinking about our problems in the secondary (Browners PI’s, Injred backs and legs) and believe we could have issues. Jenkins is a top 10 talent, he has faced and locked down Julio Jones and A.J.Green, while in college. I know he has off the field problems, maybe he has learned his lesson and now the best of life is ahead of him.

  6. Dukeshire says:

    Jaz – It’s not talent, it’s effort that’s the predominant knock.

    Evan Silva says that CB is a top need for Seattle? How are some of these people employed as draft analysts? Corner is the deepest position on the team.

  7. JazBadAzz says:

    *Trufants back injury, Thurmonds leg set back, Shermans inexperience. And our Sophomoric slumps that could happen! We haven’t talked about the level of QB’s we’ll face this year.

  8. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    jazz, browner’s pi’s went way down by end of season and don’t forget 6 ints one that sealed the deal with the giants.

  9. JazBadAzz says:

    Duke- Can’t give 100% effort when you learning on the fly. remember Curry running the wrong way on plays? lol That was horrifying but at least I can laugh at it now!

  10. Dukeshire says:

    I do. But effort takes zero talent and has nothing to do with scheme. Look, I’m just passing along the overwhelming knock on him.

  11. azhawkman says:

    I don’t think Tannehill is worth a first-round pick of any kind whatsoever. It’s ridiculous how much hype he’s getting. That said, considering all the hype and pressure on some franchises, I don’t see any way he slips down to 12 at this point. I think some GMs end up taking guys just because they have to do something to buy themselves time with the Owner/fan bases. I’d so much rather stick to getting the best DE or LB in round 1 and picking up Cousins or Moore in the 2nd or 5th round as another warm body that can possibly develop.

  12. JazBadAzz says:

    Don’t get me wrong guys, I like Browner, but only against bigger WR. Brandon Lloyd abused him bad and exposed a lot of stiffness in his hips. I remember on a triple move his knees buckled bad! Mike Wallace didn’t cut him any slacked either.

  13. RDPoulsbo says:

    azhawkman: You’re right about the pressure to get a QB. That’s the whole reason why liked the Hawks getting CBJ even though I didn’t expect him to be any good. Seattle badly needed a LT and got one instead of being pressured into getting Clausen or Tebow. Just think: if they didn’t go get Whitehurst to sit on the bench, we could be getting the full Tebow experience. That alone makes me thankful for CBJ.

    I’ve never thought of Tannehill as anything higher than a high 2nd round pick. The idea that he could go as early as 4th overall just boggles the mind.

  14. The thought of Vinny Curry in the 2nd will keep me cool, calm and collected on draft night if we fail to draft a pass rusher in the 1st round. I’m really warming up to him (as I read more and use You Tube to see for myself) knowing that Mr. Happy can take the talents of some people, like him, and use them to the benefit of the team. I’m starting to even like him more than some of the supposed big dogs we’re throwing around at #12.

    A DeCastro/Curry into to the draft would have me doing cartwheels.

    The problem: There’s no guarantees that Curry is there when we pick in the second round. That’s a real tightrope to walk.

    Re: Coples – If we had the 3rd pick in the draft and he was available with Nick Reed’s drive/determination, I’d take him in a heartbeat. Since things like his work ethic are constantly questioned, it’s scary to want to make that guy a millionaire. The drive/determination hasn’t come from 1 or 2 sources. It’s been a bunch of people saying the same thing.

  15. I like Tannenhill and think he’s worth a top 10 pick. He may not be a top player, but he plays the most important position in all of sports and that accounts for something, too. If we hadn’t signed Flynn, I’d want him badly at #12.

  16. Strategicdust says:

    I can’t believe they would take Tannehill. Yes, they could use another QB to groom but it’s hardly a requirement now that they’ve signed Flynn. Feels like more subterfuge before the draft.
    I’d love Martin or Turbin to fall to the Hawks, I’m thinking they’ll both be gone by the end of the second round. They’ve got to get another quality back to provide some insurance.
    Duke, I agree with you, cornerback is the deepest position on this team. By position, how would you rate this team from weakest to strongest?

  17. So, Bobby…now you’ve flip-flopped and jumped onto the De Castro bandwagon?! LOL OLine is in your blood!

  18. Another interesting bit from King’s column today, relevant to the LB v. DE discussion we’re having:

    “Amazing the bust factor at linebacker in the last 10 years. Brandt tipped me onto this, and he’s absolutely right: Look at the top 10 picks in the draft from 2001 to 2010. Six have been linebackers (if you count Terrell Suggs as a defensive end). The six are A.J. Hawk, Ernie Sims, Keith Rivers, Jerod Mayo, Aaron Curry and Rolando McClain. One of the six has made a Pro Bowl — Mayo — and he’s made just one. Rivers was traded to the Giants for a pittance of a fifth-round pick on Friday. Curry was dealt from Seattle to the Raiders for a seventh-rounder last year. The Eagles gave up a fifth-round pick for Sims in 2010; he’s an unsigned free agent now. Hawk and McClain have been pedestrian at best in Green Bay and Oakland, respectively.

    One Pro Bowl linebacker picked in a decade in the top 10 of the draft. Contrast that to defensive linemen: Twenty-six were picked in the top 10 of the draft from 2001 to 2010 — obviously counting Suggs as a defensive end — and those 26 have made 29 Pro Bowls.”

  19. Palerydr says:

    A good offense can make a defense better by playing keep away from the opposing teams Offense. Course I would hope most of you understand that concept without having to explaining why. I like the Decastro/Curry scenario as well. looking forward to reading some more “interesting speculation” from the collective as I enjoy a good laugh as much as anyone.

  20. Audible – It’s a little more complicated than that, but, yes. lol

  21. chuck_easton says:


    I agree a good offense keeps the ball away from the opposing team’s offense.

    My concern is the opposing team keeps marching the ball down the field and getting scores (alot of FG’s but scores nontheless) on our Defense because our D can’t get off the field on 3rd and long. The best secondary in the league can’t cover NFL quality WR’s for more than 4 or 5 seconds.

    Without a pass rush our Offense is going to have to be wearing track shoes because we are constantly going to be playing from behind. Can’t be a grind it out run first offense when you start every game down by 7 to 10 points.

    That very scenario happened way too many times last season and it was because we had no pressure on the QB.

    That is why every draft expert above has Seattle going DL or LB with the first pick.

  22. Dukeshire says:

    Browner improved dramatically after the bye, let alone week 2 against Pitts and preseason Denver.

  23. I hope Tannehill DOES slip to 12 – would love to see Cleveland have to trade up from 22 to get him ;)

    That is roughly Clevelend sends their 1st and 2nd to us and we have to send them #12 and our 4th rounder to even out the numbers

  24. If we draft a non-pass rushing LB in the 1st round and can’t get Curry in the 2nd (or somoene else good doesn’t fall), I’m not going to be happy. Or anyone not named DeCastro that can rush the passer.

    I’ll be happy if Curry is the “only” pass rusher that we add. Obviously, I’d like more, but we can’t have everything we want either (unless the NFL grants us 4 more 1st round picks between now and next Thursday).

  25. ljarllrajl says:

    We need to somehow convince the Panthers and the Chiefs to not take Fletcher Cox.

  26. HawkfaninMT says:

    @Duke: When the above post refered to Lloyd, I believe he was talking about Browner trying to cover him when the Hawks played for the Rams, not the Broncos.

  27. JazBadAzz says:

    Whats going on with the workouts at the VMAC today? Are we going to get a update or is the workouts closed to the media?

  28. JazBadAzz says:

    HawkfaninMT- Yes I was, thank you for that. That game was in the later part of the season. The shixsburg game was early but still, it happened. Im not here to kill Browner, just saying a top 10 talent in the 2nd rd would be something like a gift!

  29. RDPoulsbo says:

    I’m going to post the Coples vs. Missouri link again because this seems to be the source of the “lack of effort” people keep talking about. One thing to keep in mind: Missouri runs the spread option. That means Coples as DE can’t just pin his ears back and rush the QB. If he does, he breaks containment and the QB pitches to the RB for a big gain. His role in stopping this scheme is account for the RB and funnel the play back to the middle where the pursuit should be (except they’re not because suspensions wiped out their D-line depth). There are some plays where he’s not assignment sound, but I just don’t see where people are calling it a lack of effort.

  30. I like Rob Rang’s suggestion of Egnew, the TE from Missou. But I like the idea of drafting Dwayne Allen from Clemson better, though he would probably go in the second round. If we can’t bring in another stud WR, then we definitely need another TE to keep building the short passing game.

  31. RD, good link, and judging Coples is a frustrating task, isn’t it! I see him using his superior strength a lot to bull rush college linemen, but I don’t see great technique from Coples, and that concerns me. Coples has all the measurables but so did Aaron Curry, and Curry never learned good technique and key recognition.

    The more I watch Coples and the more I watch Melvin Ingram, the more I like Ingram. He’s an instinctive, athletic football player, not just a guy with combine measurables.

  32. JazBadAzz says:

    hey Stevos- I still think he can bring in Shainco after the draft. Do you think he’s to old? I think he had a bad yr with the rookie and Mcnabb, but still has a lot in the tank, plus he rarely injured and he knows a lot of Bevells offense!

  33. RDP – You can’t point to one game where he was a beast. Everyone knows he’s a beast when he wants to be. There are too many people who question his heart, drive, determination, or whatever, for you not to think there’s a red flag. I can give you a great highlight reel of Randy Moss, but he also plays when he wants to play and that’s the problem. For the record, if we take Coples, I’m going to hop on the CoplesTrain and be a big time backer of him and hope for the best. For now, I think there’s good reason to question the many people who question his passion/desire consistently.

  34. “What’s with this Tannehill boomlet? Not going to happen.”

    Jake Locker drafted at #8
    Gabbert at #10
    Ponder at #12
    None of those guys were any more ready or any more talented than Tannehill. Somebody will take the risk and reach. I’d love to see Holmgren grab him at #4 and make him his pet project.

  35. RDPoulsbo says:

    The thing I don’t like about Ingram is the lack of bulk. He looks the part of a great rush LB in a 3-4, but it’s hard to see him as a DE in a 4-3…especially on the left side where he’d have to fight through chip blocks from TEs. The same can be said about Mercilus, but I just can’t overlook all those forced fumbles.

    The above link is a bad game by Coples, but he was limited by his assignment against the spread option. I’ve seen other games where he does more than bull rush. He has a good inside swim move, but doing that against Missouri would have been a big no no.

  36. Jaz, sure Shiancoe could be a good short-term option at TE, and at this point he should come pretty cheap I guess. Its just seems that Carroll doesn’t want older players unless its a last resort. But if we don’t get another TE in the draft then we had better grab Shiancoe. The Bevell connection could work out well for us once again.

  37. RDPoulsbo says:

    Stevos: I meant especially this rash of people thinking Seattle will pick Tannehill at #12. I get that he’s the 3rd best QB in the draft, but I’m just not sold on a QB with limited starts from a spread offense. I guess you could say Cam Newton or RG3, but I think they are exceptions to the rule.

  38. Ingram appears to have the athleticism to be a great Sam LB, and KJ could move to MLB. And, on third downs Ingram could step up to LDE, put his hand on the ground, and raise hell in the opponent’s backfield. I want him.

  39. Yeah, RD, I wouldn’t draft Tannehill for our team either. Not now that we have Flynn. But I like him.

  40. I didn’t even watch it (assumed it).
    *Coples vs. Mizzu

  41. hawkfan777 says:

    I would be ok with Tannehill. The Seahawks have greater needs but if JS and PC went that direction I would feel good with it based on their previous draft picks. Maybe they would trade him or maybe he would end up being the starter. There is always risk with QB but could you imagine having Tannehill, Flynn and Jackson competing?

  42. hawkfan777 says:

    Schefter thinks Seattle may be a landing spot for Weeden. He is saying that they may pick him in the 2nd round?? I can see maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick but 2nd is too low in my opinion.

  43. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    hawkfan777, weeden is a damn good QB if he was younger they would be giving him a first round grade

  44. Yes Chuck I agree wit you we need pass rush I’m just seeing an offensive line that would have the ability to control the line of scrimmage and that’s always a good thing. I guess my scenario is one of wanting all the cake and getting to eat it all myself. I would be Ok with a pass rusher at #12 the only guy I’m not high on at #12 is Floyd nothing specific just a gut feel. If Floyd were available and if Cleveland hasn’t traded down for Tannehill then I would see them as an excellent trade partner to move back in the draft and pick up their early 2nd as well.

  45. RDPoulsbo says:

    BobbyK: I’ve seen multiple occasions where people use the Mizzu game as their example of lack of effort. It’s the most recent game, so it’s quick and easy for most of these so called draft “experts” to just cherry pick without context and I take issue with that. I see many times where especially the national media do the same to several other players either to pump them up or tear them down. It’s just a real poor way to evaluate a player.

    If they go DeCastro/Curry, I’d certainly have no problem with that. I just think it’s a pretty risky gamble to hope Curry will be there at #43 overall with no one to fall back on in the 3rd round. Go with the walking infirmary in Crick? One of the Boise St. guys? That’s a huge dropoff in talent.

  46. I agree with Curry being too big of a game at #43 as well. I’m just saying “in a perfect world.” :)

  47. Weeden is going to have to learn how to read an NFL defense while taking snaps directly from the center he has a way to go before he will be effective at that. That ability isn’t just learned overnight.

  48. “gamble”

  49. Dukeshire says:

    Ingram would do nothing to make the LBs faster. He would likely have to play Sam in Seattle’s scheme in their base, but at least he’s versatile, so he’d likely be a 3 down player (DE in nickle), unlike the last Sam they drafted. I just think his value is higher for a 3-4 team, especially if his significant potential is as a pass rusher, where he could play either OLB position. Seattle’s scheme doesn’t blitz often from the strong side. In addition, I really don’t want to move Wright to Mike. I love what I saw from him at Sam, as the season wore on. What I’m really hoping for is a player that has the ability to get something close to consistent pressure, without pulling players out of coverage (isn’t every team…?)

  50. JazBadAzz says:

    Duke check this out the guy got some wheels-

    Looks faster than what we have now, beside Smith

  51. Browner was voted into the Pro Bowl as a rookie NFL player (even with his years in the CFL he was an NFL rookie) by his fellow players. And while he had his share of PI calls, at least four of them were utterly bogus. Twice he was called when it was offensive PI if anything. And he improved dramatically as the season wore on, I thought. He’s pretty good, and we havent had a secondary this good since Trufant/Ken Lucas back in the day.

    Funny, everyone loved Browner, then after the season they release the stats on how many PI’s he got, and suddenly his PI’s are a huge issue. Yes, he made some stupid penalties on third and long, but some of those calls were toatlly bogus, as I said. And his tough physical play more than makes up for it.

    With the back injury and age issues Tru has, and the setback suffered by Thurmond, Seattle will be looking to draft another big fast cb, for sure. And if they can get a big dude like Kam as a backup/developmental player, they will. I dont think they take a corner before the fourth round unless someone really good falls. Personally, my dream is the kid from Montana (Trumaine Johnson?)falls and we get him in the third. That guy will be a Pro Bowl NFL corner. He’s big and physical, runs a 4.4 40, and is used to always playing the best WR on the opposing team. He’s gonna be a shutdown corner.

  52. He’s better than Janoris Jenkins, and without as much baggage. He’s also bigger and stronger, damn near as fast and agile, and has years of starting experience.

  53. JazBadAzz says:

    STTBM- Browner always been a target for other teams on 3rd, I know football, got back and read my posts! You must be out your damn mind if you think Truman Joneson (and I didn’t spell his name right cause he aint good enough) is better than Janoris…your credibility just went out the window! With the other garbage you were talking yesterday!

  54. Dukeshire says:

    Jaz – I remember that game. So. Caro failed to cover… Regardless, I’d be very surprised to learn he’s game faster than Wright. Still, I like Ingram. The biggest positive I can point to with him here, is Seattle’s creative use of versatile players. I’m simply pointing out that he’s not a foolproof pick, before the “mob” anoints him, predraft into Canton. lol.

  55. JazBadAzz says:

    Well understood Duke!

  56. Duke, yeah I woud agree with most of what you say about Ingram, in terms of how they used their defensive players last year. But that said, they didn’t have a guy like Ingram to work with. He’s a unique athlete, I imagine he is going to get a lot of sacks, pressures, and tackles behind the LOS in the NFL.

    Carroll and Bradley have shown that they aren’t married to only one scheme. The best coaches find the best players and find ways to use them.

    Ingram is a little big to work at Sam on passing downs, but he’s done it. 3-4 teams will covet Ingram as an OLB, no doubt, but I won’t be surprised if a 4-3 team drafts him and finds ways to use him to get pressure. If he drops to 12, I think it would be way too good to pass up. He’s just got playmaker written all over him. He has the high motor and techniques and quickness that Coples lacks, he has the proven experience and versatility Mercilus lacks, and the quickness Upshaw and Petty lack. He’s a playmaker. Just a tad small for 1st and 2nd down DE, but that’s not where we need him.

    okay, enough mock drafting for me today, its anybodys guess. back to reality.

  57. Dukeshire says:

    Stevos – That’s almost exactly what I said about him in a previous comment, in this thread. I too believe he’s a better 3-4 fit, where he can play either OLB position. Here, he’s be a Sam in their base and LDE in passing down and distance situations.

  58. Jaz-Have you even watched Trumaine Johnson play football?! I’ll bet you havent even watched YouTube clip-video! The guy has been a total stud for several years at UM–hell, some games the qb never even looked to his side of the field. He’s the best CB to ever play for Montana, and he isnt the first to make the NFL either.

    Jenkins has talent, and is faster-if smaller–but has very little bigtime college playing time. The level of competition at UM is pretty equal to the school Jenkins was banished to after getting kicked out of Florida. And at UM, Johnson played in multiple playoff games and a championship. He blanketed the best of the best, on the biggest stage in his Division, for years. He’s ready to take the next step.

    I have watched him play for the last couple seasons, and he’s the total package. Many rank him as the second to fourth rated CB this year, with first round talent. He’s expected to go in the second round. Go ahead, do the research. If he falls, its because only the Dolphins, Falcons, and Jeff Fisher seem to realize Montana is one of the most successful college football programs of the last 20 years, and is producing plenty of NFL players.

    Plus, though he has been in trouble in the past, Johnsons issues pale in comparison to Jenkins past behavior. And he’s big and strong, which fits Carrols mold.

    Before you rag on a player, do some research. And if you think Carpenter is guranteed to contribute this year, I’d love to hear your reasons why. I assume thats the “garbage” you say I was talking yesterday. Elaborate, my friend, Im all ears…

  59. Jaz–How could Browner “always been a target for other teams” on third down, when last season was his first in the NFL? I agree, he got picked on–very obviously against the Redskins and Niners–deliberately in order to draw PI penalties. And it worked sometimes, especially in those games. And yes, I believe it was Browner who gave up the game-winning TD in single coverage against the crappy Skins WR; that play was Bradley’s fault, I was screaming at the TV before the snap, as I could see that idiot had called a D to keep Chancellor up in the box, when they should have been dropping two safeties deep so no one got single coverage on the outside…it worked out just as I feared; a terrible call by Bradley.

    Not to say Browner didnt blow the play, he did: he was there in position, but he failed to make the play. And Browner isnt a shut-down corner yet by any means. But he’s a pretty good football player and has won the respect of his peers. That counts for something. And if he falters, Carrol wont hesitate to replace him. We’re lucky to have him, and Im looking forward to watching him push WR’s around this year.

  60. JazBadAzz says:

    Sstbm- I’m not going to blast Browner for certain plays that I notice during games. I like the guy and he doesn’t deserve that. Besides why have a debate with you and you think UM (montana) faces the best competition in college! LMFAO!!! I done here…I don’t know what’s your deal but if that’s how its gonna be then we can bring it everyday!

  61. OregonHawk says:

    Jaz, he said that Montana faces similar competition to where Jenkins got banished

    “He blanketed the best of the best, on the biggest stage in his Division, for years.”

    Enjoy the banter guys, not the infighting, We love our Hawks!!

  62. Southendzone says:

    Spent some time watching Vinny Curry on Youtube (vs WVU) and was underwhelmed.

    He looked like he was getting swallowed up by their O lineman often and didn’t have an instinctual feel to getting to the QB. Don’t see how we envision him as being a big upgrade to our pass rush when he has to go against NFL quality O-Lineman.

    (kuechly vs Miami looked like a beast though!)

  63. Jaz–Im really not sure what your problem is. If you want to debate the merits of Jenkins relative to Johnson, fine, lets do it. But first you have to answer whether or not you’ve seen Johnson play a game. Ive seen both Johnson and Jenkins play entire games, and Ive watched youtube video. Have you? Have you ever watched UM play a game? Thier 3-4 playoff games a year? While they surely arent on the same level as USC or the other bigtime schools, they are at least on a level with where Jenkins went after getting the boot from Florida. So again, have you watched Johson play?

    If you havent, you have no leg to stand on with your argument.

    Johnson faced the best competition in his Division, not the best competition in all of college football. I never said that. But at UM, he played 8-10 games against top competition–in his division–and was a man among boys. Even big schools like USC only play 4-5 games against top echelon teams each year. My point is that Johnson has been battle tested and is ready for the jump to the NFL, and in my opinion–as someone who’s watched him play in several big games every year, he’s more ready for the NFL, and will be a better fit for Seattle due to his physical play, larger size and more strength, than Janoris Jenkins. Not to mention he has less character concerns.

    And check out the internet reports from scouts and draftniks–the ones in the know are saying Johnson has rare size speed talent and skills, and has first round talent. Guys who know a lot more than you and I put together expect him to go in the second round, and high.

    And you just got done blasting Browner, saying he got picked on every third down forever. My point was I realize Browner isnt the second coming of Nnamdi Asomugha, but he’s a fine football player and we’re lucky to have him. And I agree, Seattle is likely looking to draft another Richard Sherman-type CB in this draft.

    So what exactly is your problem with what I’ve said?

  64. Incidentally, Rob Rang–who’s perhaps the best Draft Prognosticator in the business–has Johnson going 61 to the Niners:

    “Trumaine Johnson, CB, Montana: Cornerback is not an area of immediate concern for the 49ers but Johnson might offer too much value for the team to overlook at this point in the draft. Based purely on talent, Johnson deserves first-round consideration. Off-field concerns, however, could push him significantly down the board.”

    Those off-field concerns are not all that much. I doubt they push him down. If anything, its concern over his playing in Division I AA instead of A that will drop him. Since people outside the west have as much trouble locating Montana as they do Seattle…

  65. …And Rang has Jenkins going with the next pick to the Pats. Interesting, no?!

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