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Carroll, Schneider attend Tannehill’s pro day

Post by Eric Williams on March 29, 2012 at 2:09 pm with 82 Comments »
March 29, 2012 2:09 pm
Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill throws at his pro day. (Dave McDermand/Bryan-College Station Eagle)

If you’re wondering if the Seattle Seahawks remain interested in drafting a quarterback after signing Matt Flynn, take note – the team was well represented at Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill’s pro day.

According to Charean Williams of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Seattle head coach Pete Carroll, general manager John Schneider and offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell were at he school’s indoor facility in College Station, Texas along with representatives from 21 other teams to watch Tannehill throw for the first time since suffering a broken foot during a workout in January.

It’s an interesting development considering the Seahawks just locked up Flynn to a three-year, $26 million deal as the team’s potential franchise quarterback of the future.

The Seahawks hold the No. 12 overall pick in this year’s draft, and if Tannehill falls that far, there’s a chance Seattle could select him as the team’s quarterback of the future.

Tannehill is a perfect fit for Seattle’s version of the West Coast offense. At 6-4, 223 pounds, he’s athletic and mobile, possessing a strong arm with the ability to throw accurately on the run.

However, Tannehill is still pretty raw, with only 19 career starts under his belt at Texas A&M.

“In watching him, he is a good athlete and he does compete really hard,” Carroll said about Tannehill when asked to comment on him at the NFL Scouting Combine in February. “He does take off when he has to, and shows he has athleticism to do those kinds of things.

“And the fact that he played at such a high level with such a limited background in college does make the statement that he has the potential to really get a lot better as well.”

Along with the Seahawks, according to reporters on hand at the workout the Cleveland Browns had a large contingent at Tannehill’s pro day, led by offensive coordinator Brad Childress.

Cleveland holds the No. 4 overall pick.

And Miami, with the No. 8 overall pick, had general manager Jeff Ireland and head coach Joe Philbin present.

Tannehill, who did not complete any of the workout drills at the combine because of a broken foot, posted a time of 4.62 seconds in his only attempt at the 40-yard dash.

He completed 65 of 68 passes while throwing to receiver Jeff Fuller and running back Cyrus Gray. That included nine attempts from the goal line, and two drops.

While checking out Tannehill, the Seahawks also could have been on hand to watch receiver 6-foot-4, 220-pounder Jeff Fuller, who is considering adding weight and becoming a tight end in the NFL.

The Seahawks are looking for a pass-catching tight end, and Fuller ran 4.65 and 4.66 at his pro day.

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  1. Dukeshire says:

    That is interesting. All three…

  2. Every year when someone have a blazing pro day, I always think back to good old Mayock, who said that JaMarcus Russel was the most impressive player he’s ever watched during a pro day even, nevertheless, Tannehill did a terrific job, I still think #12 is too far of a reach, but he could be a diamond in the rough, he’s certainly been impressive at times.

  3. NYHawkFan says:

    Interesting, if the Hawks get Tannehill they will have four quarterbacks. As a developmental QB, Portis, would likely be traded and that would leave Jackson, Flynn, and Tannehill left to fight it out for the starting job. That would be quite a dogfight.

  4. If they were to draft Tannehill, I’d say just name him the opening day starter. I’ve never watched Tannehill play, but I don’t see any of the QBs on the Seahawks roster ever getting out of that middle band to elite status.

  5. freedom_X says:

    I don’t think Portis has any trade value.

    I also don’t think Tannehill would be Seattle’s pick @ #12. But, if Tannehill slides (remember, six weeks ago he was a marginal 1st round pick) Seattle could trade down in the 1st or trade up in the 2nd.

    And also remember, Ryan Mallet was supposed to be a prized QB prospect that was 1st round material, and he slid to the 3rd. Only a very few people had Tannehill as a 1st round prospect in January.

    People may say “Miami is so desperate, they’ll take Tannehill in the 1st”, but they would have be completely incompetent to select him that high unless they always thought he was that good.

    The incompetence is in trying to manufacture a Pro Bowl QB where, 6 weeks earlier, you didn’t think that he was one. If need and desperation have made Tannehill into a Pro Bowl QB answer, then that’s incompetence.

  6. JazBadAzz says:

    He is not ready to start right away or he will be ruined. IMO

    He should not be drafted this early,its a reach and he should be drafted where Dalton was drafted, late 1st. Like I said before, its not the player fault if he’s over drafted and fails to meet expectations.

    I would be happy with Richardson, Coples, Claiborne, or Upshaw at 12th pick.

  7. HeinieHunter says:

    Every year it seems that a projected top ten pick slides down the draft list to much lower than originally thought. I like Seattle being able to draft a player of any position if they are still around at twelve.
    Re Tannehill: Miami and Cleveland may take him in the first round but both would be making a huge reach. He has a lot of up side and might be worth the Seahawks taking him at twelve. I trust the Twins opinion on his talent. So far they have displayed restraint on QB’s and not pressed. Tannehill, Flynn, and TJack….now that would make an interesting preseason! I’m not saying they could or should draft Tannehill, but the idea is intriguing.
    I am so impressed with their ability of find talent late. How sweet it was to get Baldwin and have him play so well, right from under Harbaugh’s freaking nose!

  8. Can’t imagine they’d take him having just signed Flynn. Still, can’t deny it’s interesting that all the decision-makers flew down to Texas to see him.

    The guy sure looks the part in the picture. How come I didn’t grow up to be 6’4″ 223?

  9. I’d say it would not bode well for T-Jack if they get a 1st round QB. That’s alot of money to tie up into the position. However, it would be worth the trip if someone believes in their interest and overpays to trade up to the 12th pick though.

  10. It may be just as much of a posturing move also.

    Initially with the show of all three from Seattle you would assume that they are showing they are willing to pull the trigger if he fell to them in the second.

    Perhaps they feighn interest in order make Cleveland/Miami prematurely pick him in the second leaving more talent on the table for us.

  11. chrisj122 says:

    This is interesting! Now I’m getting excited about the draft, to where as before I wasn’t really to interested.

    This is what makes the NFL so great, it’s a continual chess match even in the off-season.

  12. To clear up any spinfusion on Flynn’s contract, here it is according to rotoworld:

    3/18/2012: Signed a three-year, $19.5 million contract. The deal contains $10 million guaranteed, including a $6 million signing bonus. Another $5 million is available through escalators. An additional $2 million worth of incentives is available, but “unlikely to be earned.” 2012: $2 million, 2013: $5.25 million, 2014: $6.25 million, 2015: Free Agent

    Certainly he could be cut tomorrow or next week or next year, etc. That wouldn’t change the fact that he signed a 3 year deal.

    If Tannehill is there at 12 would Cleveland trade up?

    pdway, I grew up to be 6’4″ but I’m missing the extra 23 lbs. It’s not all good news in that the world was designed for 5’8″ humans.

  13. I reeled at the thought of Miami having dinner with him and Pete sits down with both of them to “break bread”.

  14. I’d be fine with drafting Tannenhill at #12. We need a QB. I believe Flynn is the answer, but can I guarantee it? No.

    I look at it this way: The QB position is the most important in professional sports. If Flynn works out, great (and I think he will). A year or two down the road teams will see that Flynn is our stud and that Tannenhill, a former #12 overall pick, is available (and spent a year or two developing – as people think he should since he has a limited number of college starts) and we’d almost certainly get our pick (or better yet, pick*S*) back to some poor schmuck team that sucks at it in this QB thirsty league.

    If Flynn bombs after a couple of years, we’d have been developing Tannenhill and he’d be ready to take over so we wouldn’t have to start from square one all over again.

    Yeah, it’d suck not to get a pass rusher at #12, but I’d take the QB investment if the opportunity presented itself with no regrets (and you guys know how bad I want a pass rusher!).

  15. JazBadAzz says:

    I disagree somewhat on your theory Bobby. I believe a great team makes a avg QB a lot better, all QB have bad years at some point but a great team is always there each and every year.

    If you got 2 or more QB’s then you really have none!

  16. JazBadAzz says:

    Alex Smith and Joe Flacco could have easily been in the superbowl last year, they didn’t make it but not because of their play but dropped balls and turnovers. The common denominator is a great team with top 5 defenses, and a strong running game.

    Maintain a great team, you can always overcome a QB’s short comings.

  17. Joe Montanta and Steve Young?
    Brook Berringer and Tommie Frazier on arguably the greatest college football team in the history of the NCAA?

  18. raymaines says:

    I think the brain trust was in Texas to get a sneak look at somebody we don’t know about.

    In a vacuum I’d be happy with Jackson/Flynn and Tannehill. I’d hate not to get an impact D-lineman, linebacker, or left guard, but three good QB’s isn’t a bad thing.

    I’m tempted to say “In JS we trust” but I’m still worried about the first two QB’s they got. Time will tell…

  19. Billy Joe Hobert and Mark Brunell on THE greatest college football team in the history of the NCAA.

  20. It’s been a half decade since a crappy QB went to a Super Bowl. Yeah, sure, if this or that hadn’t happened, life could be different for all of us, but it’s not. The NFL is about results. Even though the Ravens or 49ers could have played in the Super Bowl, did they? Is there a consolation for “almost” or “should have” or *IF* type of a prize? No. You either win or you don’t. All I know is that the Super Bowl hasn’t had a QB as bad as our starter last year in a half decade (and that crappy QB starter actually outdueled our guy at Qwest in a season his team suckes, supposedly, more than ours).

  21. if they draft tannehill i’ll have a mental breakdown. there’s enough QB’s on the roster, and if flynn tanks bad enough that tarvaris starts, then there’s a good chance we’ll be in the running for Barkley next year.

  22. I think we’re too good no matter what to be in the running for Barkley. There’s no way this team will get stuck winning 2-3 games, which is what it’ll take to get him.

    That Huskies team was great. I remember them. Wow. They only had two relatively close games all that season. However, that’s two more close games than that Nebraska team had.

  23. HawkyHann says:

    If Flynn can’t beat out TJack, we should get a refund. This better not even be a close competition. No need to gamble on another QB like Tannehill. The entire offense, except Marshawn( who I met on the plane this week on flight from oak-sea), is questionable. Injury prone and unproven.

    DE or LB with top two picks.

  24. Kingpear says:

    Not a huge fan of Barkley, but it is my East Coast Bias.

    I really like Tannehill, and would rather have him over Flynn.

    Any chance if Tannehill falls that we draft him and cut T-Jack?
    I don’t think he has much guaranteed money if any (4 million against the cap IIRC)

  25. Max Unger is unproven? I thought he solidified himself as a solid starter moving forward?

    Robinson is also unproven? I thought he turned into a solid starter? He turned into a decent blocker and solid overall player.

    Jut b/c Zach Miller had the moron patrol (or curse of John Carlson) making sure he turned into a glorified blocker, doesn’t erase the fact that he proved to be a good blocker and solid receiver those years in Oakland (when he didn’t have to be a glorified blocker).

    I find nothing of Doug Baldwin that would label him as unproven moving forward.

  26. Soggybuc says:

    Don’t read so much into things! fact is FA is mostly done and slow, you have over 2 weeks until the draft. couple that with you have PA’s money in your pocket and some Texas BBQ sounds damn good for dinner is why you have the hawks in Texas right now.

  27. RDPoulsbo says:

    If this were poker, the FO would be turning their cards over screaming that they are bluffing and asking others to fold. They’re not drafting Tannehill. Not going to happen.

    The Fuller angle is another story. He’s projected to be a middle round guy and if they can’t get Fleener in the 2nd round, the idea of Fuller converting to TE would require a closer look to see if it can be done. I’m convinced they badly want another pass catching TE in a bad way, so this makes sense to me.

  28. maddog12 says:

    I say it all depends how the draft falls. I am not surprised that PC and JS where at his workout. He shows great promise after only 19 college games, is a football player before he is a qb…meaning he is tough minded. We will see, but I would be happy if this was their choice.

  29. Hammajamma says:

    They’re looking at Fuller and trying to force a high pick for Tanny, hoping a better player falls to 12. Plus, they’re after the Roman Sausage Hogie at the Hullabaloo Diner. Worth the trip.

  30. Due diligence is all this means. Tannehill’s a projected 1st round QB, of course you kick the tires and find out what you can about him. Watch him throw, talk with him, etc. Worst case PC and co. got some Texas BBQ and a chance to watch Fuller and Gray (potential later round guys). Tannehill doesn’t excite me at all. His greatest asset is that he hasn’t played very much. In his season and a half he wasn’t particularly good; instead he gets credit for not being terrible despite only playing QB for a short time. Meanwhile a guy like Brandon Weeden, who has significantly outplayed Tannehill over that time is pushed way down the draft because he’s 28 years old and has actually played. Tannehill is the ultimate boom or bust prospect, with no evidence to support either theory at this point.

  31. I’m okay with Tannehill at 12 IF we can get the defensive guys we need later. First round defensive guy is not guarantee. Earl Thomas great, but Aaron Curry… Marcus Tubbs (great, just always injured). Meanwhile, second or later round defensive guys may be fantastic. Maybe Tannehill even goes in the 2nd…

    I agree, Weeden would be interesting, too. It’s four weeks from today.

    We keep talking about “We need to trade back.” You can’t trade back unless there’s someone who wants to trade up. The key to the draft is ability to evaluate talent (Duh). It doesn’t matter so much where you draft. There are good players at every selection. You just need to know who they are. How about this guy from Michigan… Brady… nah…

  32. Weeden is late twenties and people were ready to run Matt out of here in his early thirties. What am I missing?

    If old man Weeden is in the equation, you stick w/T-Jack and all his experience at a similar age (thank goodness for the Flynn signing).

    Even if we hadn’t signed Flynn, I’d take T-Jack over Weeden any time of the day and 16 times on Sundays.

  33. JazBadAzz says:

    Yeah Brandon Weenden is a better QB, and will play for 10 yrs. Everyone loves that P word…that P word has gotten many people fired and out of a job! #Potential

  34. HawkyHann says:

    Bobby K, Marshawn is a stud. Baldwin is a stud too. Every starter on the Oline has had major surgery. Unger did play well last year but we’ll see if he can hold up again. Miller- as a Seahawk, his numbers are questionable. I hope he puts up Oakland type of numbers.

    Our entire QB situation, Sidney Rice($18M guaranteed), BMW/Obo/ Tate/ ooh and dont forget about Lockette—hmm, all questionable. Obo is not starter material, but is a good reserve.

  35. Dukeshire says:

    RD’s right. They’re not taking Tannehill at 12. There’s no reasonable arguement to justify it either. This team is in no position to sign Flynn and select a QB with their first. If they want to take a QB on day 3, fine. But there are simply too many more pressing needs, now that Flynn has been signed.

  36. JazBadAzz says:

    Bobbyk blew the blog and chats up all year about Flynn and now this…pfft…you made your bed bobby, lay in it. Don’t start back sliding buddy! Lol I love how you go on a tangent and start stirring the pot!

  37. Soggybuc says:

    Aight’ Hamma spill the details on that Hoagie!

  38. RDPoulsbo says:

    Seriously people. It’s not like they have 20 picks in the draft. 6 picks and no 5th rounder. That’s all the ammo left to round out the roster. Sure, there’ll be a few straggling FAs or UFAs, but very few of them can be realistically expected to make a big impact. Really though, you can only expect the top 3 picks to have any kind of immediate impact and people would actually be happy to use the top 1 of those 3 top picks for another QB who’s almost guaranteed to sit this season?

  39. AZZ – I do like Flynn and believe in him. When have I said I don’t believe in him? And don’t lie and point to the post above, b/c I even put in () that I believe in him but I value the QB position so much that I’m not willing to chance it like one would/could w/most positions on the team. I think Tannenhill will be a Brown or a Fish so it really isn’t going to matter anyway.

  40. JazBadAzz says:

    We name calling now?…on that note, I’m out! Later guys!

  41. Why would anyone still be advocating T-Jack at QB? What has he done to deserve another chance? He was bad more than he was good and was flat out terrible with the game on the line. Flynn has instincts, anticipation and played his best with the game on the line – he wins, but not in a fluky Tebow way. This “competition” is over before it even begins because after 7 years of playing in the offense, T-Jack still doesn’t know what to do.

    Hopefully acquiring Flynn ensures we don’t take an insane gamble on an Tannehill, who is all potential and zero substance. As for Weeden, sure I would take him over T-Jack or Tannehill; but that’s not to say I’m advocating that we draft him in round 1 or 2. But age is not a big concern of mine for a pocket passing QB. If he’s the better player draft him, 6-7 years of good is better than 12-14 years of bad any day!

  42. SeahawkFan12 says:

    I’m cool with drafting Tannehill, and I still think #12 is too high. BUT, if he’s there and Schneider and Carrol (and Bevell)liked what they saw, I have faith in them and trust they will make the right pick.

    Hell, we have the 12th pick in ’12…so the 12th man will roar this year! GO SEAHAWKS!

  43. SeahawkFan12 says:

    And please stop talking about Weeden. He’s Chris Weinke v. 2.0. Jeezuzz…

  44. SeahawkFan12,

    You know this? Do you have inside information that links Weeden to Weinke? I’m assuming this goes further than age. It’s something you saw on tape? All those oSu games you watched last year tell you that? Was it Mayock? How about some substance and less unfounded comments born out of lazy simple comparisons.

  45. chrisj122 says:

    Its possible the F.O. is trying to get other teams to believe they might take Tannehill at #12 or maybe they’re covering all there bases. Who knows maybe they can trade down and aquire another pick, then maybe Tannehill makes a little more sense with a later 1st or early 2nd.

    I think they are trying to be prepared for every possible scenario come draft day. No need to read to much into it or get riled up and getting upset.

  46. Weeden is the real deal. Yeah, he’s 27 but his maturity serves him well.

    11-1 record last year. 3rd in BCS. Won Big 12 Championship. Beat Andrew Luck and ALL those soon-to-be 1st rounders, 399 yds and 4tds on the National Stage.

    Granted, Justin Blackmon is a stud (2 time Biletnikoff Winner, ask HIM if he thinks BWeed is too old…puh-leaze).

    This guy is going to skyrocket into the top 20 in the 1st round. 6’4″ all state 3 sport athlete (2nd round pick of the NY Yankees). Pursued that career and was even involved in a trade for Kevin Brown (P).

    I’d love to have this guy irregardless of his age. Drop from 12 to 18, pick up an extra pick and take this guy, then let the 3 battle it out, may the best man win.

    Of course I’d love some pass rush…badly, but like BK has said, Franchise QB’s, at least the good ones, make the world go ’round.


  47. The real story here is that we DON’T have any interest in Tannehill.

    If we did, we would have sent a regional scout and Pete Carroll and John Schneider would have stayed home. At the very least, they wouldn’t have made any news there, like going on a double date with the Dolphins.

  48. sarcasm font/ 27 is the new 35. In other words, Weeden is ancient and should actually be applying for AARP benefits and a reverse mortgage and some Wilford Brimley insulin and a hoverround.

    I really like Weeden, his age allows us to potentially get a first round talent later in the draft. That said, I really like Flynn and want him to get as many snaps as possible in practice. Sure there’s room for both, but I still think Portis might be worth developing so we’ll see if there’s room for all 3. All options are on the table and this draft is even more exciting for me than PC’s first (I was too nervous to enjoy that one).

  49. Bobby I was a freshman the year the Dawgs won the NC(the game in Lincoln in 91 had me scared). Those mid-90s Neb teams were badass. 3 titles in 4 years? Best run I’ve seen in my lifetime. I was so pissed off by then from the whole “fruit basket” debacle, Billy Joe dumbass “check out my $40K Corvette” and sanctions that I wasn’t paying as much attention to the rest of the field. UW had declined quite a bit by 94. Little did I know what was to come in the 2000’s. Good Lord did we sink to the deepest depths. 0-12? Happy to have Sark steering the ship now and although I despised Carroll while at USC he’s won me over with the Hawks.

    Funny that the 95 Huskers closest game was vs. the Cougs. Haha.

  50. Macabrevity says:

    I agree with those of you saying this was either due diligence, a smokescreen, or scouting other aggie players. There’s no way we reach for a QB at #12, especially if a surefire pick like DeCastro, or a need pick like Mercilus is on the board. Flynn doesn’t have the physical tools as Tannehill, but he might still have more reasons to project as a franchise QB…. not proven, but certainly more proven than Mr. Hobbit Hands. If we want a future project QB, we can grab a guy with decent upside like Cousins in later rounds, if we want a guy to push the others immediately, grab Weeden later… but don’t spend the #12 pick on a guy who won’t play this season imo.

  51. Everything about every player is projection. I think we too often repeat what someone else says because it’s easy and we all have real jobs. I’m not so sure that Matt Flynn lacks any sort of “tools”. He’s a leader, he reads the defense, he throws the ball. What “tools” are most important at QB anyway? Peyton just got more money than any QB in the NFL – EVER, and it’s a foregone conclusion that even if he doesn’t have his “fastball” anymore he’s still a top-5 QB in the NFL. Flynn might have a better fastball than we’re giving him credit for or he may not… it’s irrelevant. His exhibited skills intrigue me and should intrigue you. I mean he only has two games, both were pretty damn good. Those two games and his college career lead me to believe his brain (#1 QB “tool”) is elite and his cajones are Hasselbeck-esque. He sees the field, the defense and places the ball to the right guy in the right situation. Anticipation and quick recognition skills trump arm strength because it manufactures open receivers and opportunities for big plays.

  52. I’m all aboard the Matt Flynn train. There’s no reason not to be at this point. I’ve heard the argument that because the Hawks didn’t go “all-in” on the contract and guarantee the starting job that we should temper our expectations but I don’t buy it.

    The areas of concern that usually lead to a disaster are strengths of Flynn’s. Doesn’t matter if you can throw it 80 yards if you’re receiver is waiting for it or can’t get to it. Flynn is accurate, and most importantly, he makes sound decisions and has good mental makeup. Bang-bang-bang, better than half the starting QB’s in the league.

    All of this, and the regimes past history, leads me to believe that making a scene at Tannehill’s pro-day is more about ensuring that he is taken in the top 11 than us having real interest in trading up for him taking him at #12. The front office is driving the point home that this guy won’t last long, so teams better make their move. That would guarantee us a shot at picking a top 11 player on our board, and likely increases the demand/value for our pick if we wish to trade down.

    As far as Tannehill suddenly shooting up boards, I’ve heard it discussed a few times on NFL radio that quite a few, if not most, GM’s have had him as a top 10 pick since mid-season. He could be the real deal. But, there are a few of those every year, and I’d much rather pick Coples or DeCastro at 12. Those are the only two guys I really want, unless there is a major fall for a guy like Blackmon or Richardson. I’d also like Kuechly but I don’t see our front office going that way. I expect Hawthorne back soon at 2.5 million or so on a one year deal. I can’t see our front office pursuing any of the DE’s besides Coples. If he is gone I think DeCastro makes a ton of sense because I think he exemplifies the toughness up front that we desire. If we draft DeCastro I think Tom Cable buys a house in Renton.

  53. Why not pick him. See how he and Flynn progress. Give it a year or two. Trade one of them away for top picks. Or, draft him then trade him. Or draft him and trade Flynn right away for more picks. Lot’s of options. I do hear they are looking at another offensive lineman for the first pick. God, haven’t they done that the last 3 years? Defense is the need. DE or ILB. Can’t win in the NFL with a great offense and below average D. Dolphins had the best offenses in the history of football year after year but went nowhere with their crap D. Build the D!!!!! Also, i’m here in Atlanta now watching the Falcons. They have a lot of talent on offense but no D. They can’t do crap in the playoffs or against good teams on the road. D first and O second.

  54. RDPoulsbo says:

    If you’re looking for a QB to develop into trade bait, you don’t do it with a #12 pick. That’s the top half of the 1st round and next to impossible to improve upon that position in future years. It doesn’t work that way. You do it with a young guy from the lower rounds and hard work to develop that guy into starter material. 1st round picks are used on guys you expect to be immediate starters, not developmental projects.

  55. I think Pete is just scaring Miami a little so they draft him with their #8 pick and not draft Quinton Coples.

  56. Why not pick him? Because the team already has quite a bit invested at QB right now, and has other pressing needs. It’s my honest belief that if the QB position is even marginally better than last year, the team can be a 10-12 win team, assuming this is a successful draft, and edge rusher, linebacker, and both guard positions are addressed (sorry Carpenter fans, I wasn’t entirely sold on him before, and the injury sort of makes it worse), and Rice stays healthy.

    It might be in Carroll’s best interest to get Hill and Hawthorne resigned ASAP… Whatever teams think they’re going to draft Keuchly and whiff, are likely going to immediately invite Heater in for a visit.

  57. SeahawkFan12 says:

    Sac_94, switch to decaf, dude. It is an opinion. Like you mentioned, most of us have real lives outside the blog. I’m busy building my business and when I take a break, I come here to see what’s up with my fellow Hawk fans. Fact is, the 3 games I saw with Weeden were not impressive. The guy is not garbage, but he’s not All-Wold either. He cost his team the game against ISU by make horrible decisions in crunch time late in the 4th and ultimately in OT. He was solid–not great–in the Fiesta against Stanford. And frankly, he looked “ok” agains Oklahoma (but better than Landry Jones).

    Sorry to break it to you, but 29 is old in NFL terms. I could care less how much “pro” experience he has in MLB; baseball and football are two completely different professions, and when you draft a 29-year old QB, you expect him to start now. There is no time to “develop”. We have the quarterback for NOW in Flynn. I’m down with drafting a developmental QB in the later rounds, but Weeden isn’t him. Sorry to blow your skirt up.

  58. Palerydr says:

    Watched a youtube of Weeden vs Stanford and the guy I like Osweiler vs Boise State. To me they are the same QB’s both have to learn how to read a defense after taking a direct snap as both played in a spread offense. This is gonna be a huge adjustment for both. Each is a 1 read pony rarely moving their heads for 3rd and 4th reads. I give the accuracy edge to Weeden but not by much. Both had their share of bad plays and poor throws. With all these things and more to learn I would take the guy 7 years younger it’s a no brainer for me.

  59. Macabrevity says:

    Was checking out a back issue of Sporting News NFL Draft so see the scouting report on Flynn. According to the pre-draft scouting, arm strength was not considered a weakness. The main negatives were his height combined with a somewhat low release point. Otherwise they said he made all the throws in college. In fact the review was pretty good, despite them having him slated as a 5th round-ish talent. I could type it up here if anyone was interested…

  60. seahawk44 says:

    I am quite speechless over this: LOL … I wonder if this leaked and it’s why Mike Tice lost his head coaching job.

  61. If the Seahawks think Tannehill is a future stud, they draft him – no question.

    Judging by the Flynn contract and Jackson needing competition, I doubt the Seahawks front office sees either of these 2 as future elite QBs. I don’t either. By elite, I mean a QB who makes a bunch of mediocre players better rather than elite players making a mediocre QB better.

    Everyone wants an elite QB but its very rare to get one off trade (Flynn) or FA (Jackson). They almost always come from the draft (with Brees and Schaub as the exceptions).

  62. Flynn was a FA also I meant to say.

  63. OMG please don’t draft Tannehill. Keep in mind folks, PC/JS don’t have a glowing history in scouting QBs! I will crap my pants if SEA takes him at #12. Seriously. I will crap them.

  64. Dukeshire says:

    I think it’s pretty clear they don’t see Jackson as a a long term answer, hence the Flynn signing. But they have to believe Flynn has the potential to become the face of the franchise, otherwise it’s a wasted signing, if they’re still seriously considering a QB at 12. I’ll say this: there is no chance Flynn, Jackson, and Tannehill are all 3 Seahawks come September. If they do boggle my mind, and take Tannehill, Jackson will be cut, IMO.

  65. They’re not drafting Tannehill because he’d be a reach at 12, we already have three QBs in the fold, and because we need a pass rusher. Elite pass rushers are usually early picks, but our OL and LB needs can be addressed later in the draft. We don’t need a running back, so the only potential surprise I would anticipate is if Floyd or Blackmon drop to 12. If not, it’s Mercilus or Coples. I’d be more worried about Coples before the new CBA, but I think he’s going to be motivated during his rookie contract hoping for a Mario Williams type deal later on.

  66. I was rooting for us to draft Tannehill back before the hype started, but let’s face it, in the draft he’s going to Cleveland at 4, Miami at 8, or Miami will trade up to steal him at 3… much like Locker shot up the draft boards late in 2011 based on his potential. I heard the Cleveland had a big contingent at Tannehill’s workout, but didn’t hear that Holmgren was there. Curious about that.

    If Tannehill was in the draft class of 2011, he would have been the #2 rated QB behind Cam Newton. I think he’s a lot like Jake Locker was, sky-high potential, athleticism, smarts, and discipline, but still has a lot of work to do on his skills, footwork and the like. Very similar to Locker in 2011.

    In a perfect world, I woud have preferred drafting Tannehill and having him learn behind TJack for a year. But since we were unlikely to get him, I think PC and Schneids were smart to go ahead and get Flynn while they could.

  67. The Eagles just lost their starting LT, Jason Peters, for the year to a ruptured achilles.

  68. This is my least favorite time of the year as a football fan. So much draft speculation. It’s like the NFL pre-game shows — I wish I could just skip it. But of course, I’m addicted to anything football-related, even if it’s mind-numbing.

    If the Seahawks draft Tannehill at No. 12, we can forget about being Super Bowl contenders this year. They need a pass-rusher badly. I do think they’re just doing due diligence, in case Tannehill falls to them in the second round or falls to the bottom of the first round, allowing them to trade up.

  69. Just got finished watching “Highlights” of Coples ….Really? Play after play of watching the guy get stood up on the line, pushed past the play and generally getting owned. The plays he did make were because the guy ran right at him. Very few QB pressures and used the same move over and over outside speed rush which took him out of several run plays that went for big yards into his hole on the line. I didn’t like him before and that’s now been cemented into my opinion don’t draft Coples.

  70. I agree, canfan. But despite all the hype, I kind of like this time of year. Its the only time that nfl network and espn take the time to do some in-depth football reporting instead of the rapid stream of sound-bite crap they rush through during the season. Jon Gruden’s talks with QB prospects on espn is really pretty cool, I think. He’s white boarding plays with Andrew Luck today at 4pm.

  71. I hate this portion of the year too. FA will be dead until after the draft and the endless debate and circular arguments will played out a thousand times before the draft.
    Thank goodness Game of Thrones kicks off Sunday night. that will give something to occupy my time until the draft.

  72. psoundpowerhouse says:

    I have a feeling Coples is gonna slide in the first rnd.
    Probably go 20 something. A established team like Pitt or NE could get a steal.
    just don’t feel right taking him at #12.

  73. NYHawkFan says:

    I find it amusing that Flynn hasn’t yet taken a snap or even put on a uniform for the Seahawks and people are already interested in upgrading our quarterback! Flynn AND Tannehill are both unknowns at this point, and for all we know Jackson could beat Flynn out when they compete (albeit highly unlikely), but you get the point. I’m excited about seeing what Flynn can do, based on his two starts with GB. True, Jackson has a height advantage and supposedly a stronger arm, but Flynn has better pocket presence, better accuracy, and his release is quicker. Do we really need use a 1st round pick on yet another unknown and then have a three-way competition for QB? That’s a little much IMO. We need a pass rusher.

  74. ChrisHolmes says:

    I’d draft Tannehill at #12 in a hearbeat.

    BobbyK has the right logic here. It’s the same philosophy that the Packers and Patriots have used for more than a decade: draft QB’s. If you have an elite QB or a guy who develops into an Elite QB, then your drafted QB’s become valuable to other teams. Make trades, own the draft.

    If Flynn turns into a great or elite QB, and Tannehill flashes greatness during pre-season games, then suddenly Tannehill becomes a commodity. And you can’t have enough of that in today’s NFL. Imagine trading Tannehill in a couple years for multiple 1st/2nd round picks. Nice though eh?

  75. Dukeshire says:

    Palerydr – Mike Mayock has said that Coples 2011 tape is garbage, and to get a good feel for him, you’ve got to go back two years. To me, that’s an awful sign. I’m not a fan.

  76. HeinieHunter says:

    PCJS are smart. Good poker players. I really think that they would take a visit to Texas and look at Tannehill mostly to push other teams to select him and leave other players on the board.
    TJack has a big arm but his inability to read defenses quickly and his holding onto the football too long cost us first downs all season. Flynn does not have a big arm but reads well and is accurate. He has confidence in his throws. I’ll take Flynn. Tannehill in the first round is too early. Our first round guy needs to be a impact player. OL or DE.
    It looks to me more and more that Heater and Hill could both be back.

  77. NisquallyHawk says:

    I honestly do not believe the Hawk will take Tannehill@12, we are not configured for it. Tannehill is a three year project, to bring him up to Quality NFL QB status, not that Tannehill does not have the basic tools, but this is more to it than that, and the majority of the poster here know this.
    I still cannot get a good read on what the Hawk may do at 12, I think they will have some quality draft picks that will fall to them, and that’s were the plot thickens. The Hawks have addressed some major issues in FA, with our own FA(s) and added to the Offense and Defense. I get the feeling they will go after a #1 position rated player, from their board. Whether O-line, T-end, D-line and even D-back. I am incline to think the may trade back if they feel there are two rated #1 position players, and are happy with either one.
    They don’t have a glaring needed per say this year. I know LBs but between now and Draft Day, if they sign a FA LBs, then I am thinking they are trading out of 12, and maybe do it more than once in the first round, gathering later round picks along the way. Yep that was my two pieces of copper hitting the floor.

  78. RDPoulsbo says:

    The thing about Coples is he gained some weight and moved inside in 2010. He’ll need to lose some weight to keep his conditioning, but I don’t see the effort problem being as big as some people are making it out to be. There’s some coaching needed for sure, but nothing that raises major red flags.

  79. Kingpear says:

    As far as Coples is concerned, I really don’t need to see QCiB as a moniker either.
    I agree with Dukeshire, not a fan.

    It is fun to kick this all around, but I think people are losing sight of the fact that the draft, and the league, have changed.

    Did anyone really see Locker or Ponder as round 1 Material?
    Hell, Dalton and Kaepernick were chosen in the top 36.

    With the cap, and the minimizing of the RB position, QB is infinitely more valuable. Is Tannehill really worthy of the 12th pick in the Draft? Most would say No. Will he go before then? Probably!

    Take the DE, Cousins, and a wideout that can actually run routes (I am looking at you Golden!).

  80. paastahtroy says:

    They don’t want Tannehill or Osweiler…this is all just part of the strategy…make other teams think you want them…maybe other teams trade up or draft Tannehill before 12 pushing other players down to us…I hope we trade down actually.

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