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Hawks interested in Stanford TE Fleener?

Post by Eric Williams on March 22, 2012 at 2:44 pm with 49 Comments »
March 22, 2012 2:44 pm
Tight end Coby Fleener walks off the field after his workout during Stanford's pro day. (Matt Maiocco/CSNBayarea.com)

With quarterback Andrew Luck performing well – as expected – at Stanford’s pro day this afternoon, Seattle Seahawks representatives on hand could only watch with envy.

But they also could have been taking a closer look at one of the players on the receiving end of the many pinpoint passes Luck threw on Thursday – speedy tight end Coby Fleener, who also reportedly put on a show.

Matt Maiocco of CSNBayarea.com provided the visual evidence shown in the photo above of a person in a Seahawks coat walking off the field with Fleener, who looks very similar to Seattle tight ends coach Pat McPherson.

Seattle’s appears to be looking for a pass-catching tight end to pair with Zach Miller after John Carlson got away in free agency. The Seahawks brought Jacob Tamme and Visanthe Shiancoe in for visits, but neither player has been signed to my knowledge at this point.

The Seahawks already have had success with Stanford receiver Doug Baldwin, so why not go to the well again? Fleener was clocked at a speedy 4.45 in the 40-yard dash – that’s moving for someone 6-6 and 245 pounds.

Rob Rang of NFLDraftScout.com has Fleener at No. 25 on his big board, so he’ll likely will go somewhere late in the first round. The Seahawks might have to move up from the team’s early second round pick to get him.

Check out Fleener’s highlights below.

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  1. I was impressed with him from watching Stanford this past season. I’d love to have a big guy like they do in NE and NO, but we’re not going to the Super Bowl without another guy who can consistently get to the QB. Another TE seems like a luxary we’d like, but don’t need in comparison to a few other areas. And if it was so important, then franchising Carlson for 1-year would have been the way to go. He’s too early for our 1st pick and he’ll be gone by our 2nd pick, I would think.

  2. We should be able to get him at #25 after our trade down with Denver. Haha.

    Seriously though, Stanford is turning out some product. 4 potential 1st rounders this year.

  3. chrisj122 says:

    Our 1st pick should be a big D.E. with mad speed that can pressure QBs into throwning bad passes all day. That’s when Earl Thomas picks off all those bad passes and takes them to the HOUSE!

    Sorry got carried away, a little day dreaming.

  4. Seattle could conceivably take a pass rusher like Ingram or Mercilus at 12, then trade up back into the first to take Fleener. Depending on what it cost, I wouldnt mind.

    But I’m gonna flat out FREAK if they take Fleener at 12. Overpaying for Miller then letting Carlson go then spending a high first rounder on a TE–any TE–would make me puke. Wont happen. Only way we get him is if we trade into the top of the second (if he falls that far) or the bottom of the first.

    But damn, we could use a guy like him.

  5. OCHawkFan says:

    Would be great to get this guy. Possibly trade back in the first to late teens, early 20’s and draft Fleener. Then pick up Mercilus or Vinny Curry in the 2nd. I know its arbitrary to speculate on these moves, but I get excited this time of year!

  6. wabubba67 says:

    If we can find a partner, we will be trading down. I think that there are several good players in the top 15-20 that interest JS/PC, but none that they are particularly drooling over.

    I still like the idea of DeCastro…you can never have too many mean, nasty, offensive linemen. If not DeCastro, we are moving down.

  7. OK, a TE in the first is the least helpful selection I can imagine.

  8. i can realistically see a team (Detroit, Texans, Broncos, Pats, Steelers, maybe even cleveland) giving a 2nd and 1st to trade up to 12.

  9. OCHawkFan says:

    hox: How is TE the least helpful selection?
    After the season, PC stated he’d be looking for 2 things in the draft:
    1) Pass Rush help
    2) Touchdown makers
    I’d argue that a big, athletic TE target is one of the most important things to have in the red zone. A double TE set of fleener and Miller in the red zone is downright scary!

  10. tchristensen says:

    Flynn to Fleener. Flynn to Fleener. Just doesn’t work.

  11. Fleen to Flynner?

  12. Are we going to play this year without any LB’s

  13. tchristensen says:

    David Hawthorne’s contract demand must be more than the team is willing to pay, but with the market appearing to be soft for LB’s his team may need to change their strategy. I hope Hawks resign him though.

  14. edstang45 says:

    I agree about Decastro wabubba67 But I defenitley think a Pass rush should be prority!!! Fleener does make ya think even more now with Flynn…Dang Decastro with our improving very young Line I could see us set for 10-12 yrs….Would make our QB’s so much better and Lynch would go broke on da skittles…Is there really a sure fire guy at DE or LB to get the pass rush?? if not maybe Decastro at 12…Fleener if we could trade up and maybe find the rush in 3rd and 4th rounds…ArrrGh!!! glad we got the experts to figure this out!!! But I Love this time of year…and tomorrow I’ll be back all in for Defense

  15. ryanryan says:

    i would imagine that this scenerio is one of many that they are investigating should the right offer come in for the 12th pick.

  16. Dukeshire says:

    If Seattle takes a TE in the first, unless they trade back and end up with a couple seconds and a couple thirds, I’ll freak out too. Even then, I’d be pissed. Not with the other pressing needs. That would be crazy.

  17. Agree with all the comments about TE not being a pressing need, and not worthy of our #12 pick. All that said, it’s tantalizing to think about giving Flynn a weapon at TE, we haven’t had an explosive athlete at the position since . . .ever.

    Maybe Miller will be better than he showed last year, if we can get him out in patterns more often, and our QB looks to get him the ball.

  18. HawkfaninMT says:

    Im with ryanryan… Defintiely exploring options should they trade down to the early 20’s and Fleener is available.

    Doing their due diligence, simmer down folks!

  19. Dukeshire says:

    tchristensen / JoSCh – Finkel is Einhorn. Einhorn is Finkle. Lol

  20. OCHawkFan says:

    I’d probably freak out more if they drafted DeCastro or a DB in the first round. TE is at least a pressing need in that it provides a touchdown maker for the offense. Its exciting to think of two athletic TE’s, Sidney Rice split out wide and Marshawn Lynch in the back field. It gives Matt Flynn alot of playmakers to work with.
    It looks as if there will be some pass rushers available in the 2nd. My point is as long as we address Offense playmakers and pass rush in the first 3 round, in any order, I’ll be happy.

  21. GeorgiaHawk says:

    We already have a top ten defense without a so-called pass rush!

    The Patriots made it to the Superbowl with one of the worst defenses in the NFL, and the Packers almost made it to the Superbowl with one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

    Our defense is fine! It’s the offense that failed us last year! So I want more than anything with the first two picks to be players that will help Flynn win!!!!

    We can find a pass rusher through trade or lower rounds.

    If Decastro is still there, ( Dam Chiefs ) at 12 then that’s who I want!
    If Fleener falls into the second round then that’s who I want!

    Didn’t we do good with two Stanford players last year?

    Besides, anything to piss off you no who in 49er land brings a smile to my face!

  22. HawkfaninMT says:

    Interesting perspective Georgia… I can’t totally argue with that. Other than to say that is a short term view of our teams success. There is still nobody to take over once Clemmons efficiency starts to drop with age.

    I am very much seeing good value in the 3rd at RB and DE in the 2nd, so BPA in the 1st wether it is DE(Coples, Upshaw, Ingram), WR(Blackmon, Floyd), OL)DeCastro) or TE(Fleener) I won’t be too upset

  23. Dukeshire says:

    I would think you’d be a big Floyd fan then, considering that. For me, while taking a WR early always seems risky, I like everything I’ve seen of him. Big, fast, impressive route runner, crazy athlete… I can see Carroll having interest.

  24. Dukeshire says:

    That was in response to Georgia.

  25. OCHawkFan says:

    Georgia: GB almost got to the Super Bowl, but the Giants won the Super Bowl because they have one of the best pass rushes in the league. Our D is great, but picking up a couple pass rushers to get the D off the field on 3rd downs is key. I have to imagine that the offense will be better with Flynn running the show. I agree though, we do need to add some playmakers on that side of the ball. Going to be a great season, I’m excited to see how this plays out!

  26. seahawk44 says:

    No reason to spend. 1st on Fleener at all. Ladarius Green is just as good and can be gotten later.
    http://www.ragincajuns.com/mobile/index.aspx?rp_id=1599

  27. Southendzone says:

    STT: Perfect, couldn’t agree more.

    You go pick up a high profile TE, then woefully under-utilize him, then follow that up by allowing a proven receiving threat type of TE to leave, and THEN reach in the 1st round to pick up a big TE talent? That would be a dumb f’n chain of events and a waste of a pick.

    Not that I think fleenor is no good, he looks like a true talent but it’s not a fit for us at pick # 12

  28. The biggest case to make for drafting Floyd is Rice. Having a legit playmaker changes the dynamic for everyone else. As of this moment I am counting Rice out until he proves he can get/stay healthy. I wouldn’t be surprised if we draft Floyd especially if Petey is serious about what he says. Not a big fan of drafting WRs early but I will defer to the pros. I also think that other teams(Denver among them) will want him pretty bad and pony up a tantalizing offer, but I digress.

    The only other offensive player I could see us tabbing at #12 is DeCastro.

    On the defensive side, getting that dominant DT that HAS TO be stopped thus opening opportunities for everyone else is the other(non-QB) position I would love to see filled but who wouldn’t? Can Brockers become that guy? Maybe. Perry still is intriguing and reportedly up to 270lbs. The latter 3 were the guys I initially felt good about @ 12.

    Lots of names popping up defensive side now. Fun, fun times.

  29. GeorgiaHawk says:

    HawkfaninMT- If the FO chooses to pick a pass rusher or a linebacker/pass rusher I will be OK with it, However my gut feeling is to try and get talent around Flynn in the first two or three rounds so he can have the best chance to bring us a winning season this year.

    Dukeshire-I do like Floyd ! However I like Hill even better as a second rounder, if he falls that far.

    OCHawkFan- I agree that the Giants have one hell of a pass rushing defense, ( Lucky them! ) However they also have A very good qb that may be better than his all world brother.

  30. Dukeshire says:

    From my view, I don’t think the team philosophy changes now that Flynn is here. That is, they have a good defense, not great. Carroll will address that. I’m certain he wants one of the league’s best. Thst’s his background. On offense, it’s hard to imagine them not addressing RB with one of their top three picks, as dedicated as they want to be on the ground. And somewhere, they need to find another playmaker on the perimeter. IMO, receiver is in need of a talent upgrade as any unit on the team. What I do know, is that I’m grateful they have a QB in place now, with witch to build around and can enter he draft with that monkey off their backs.

  31. Offensive players take longer to develop and gel than defensive players and I think we’re young enough on offense. We just need to let the young guys play and develop. I think the talent is there. We’re pretty young on the OL, Miller is still relatively young at TE, Lynch at RB, and Rice, Baldwin, and Tate are still young (some younger than others). Then there’s some young guys in the wings like Durham and Lockette. With the exception of a back-up for Lynch, I think we’re sitting pretty good on the offensive side of the ball.

    Would I like DeCastro or Fleener? Of course. Who wouldn’t? But I don’t want them at the expense of what’s most important right now since I believe we’re close to playing for all the marbles (even though I think DeCastro will be the BPA when we draft).

    I think priority #1 must be the front seven and from where I sit, I’m adamant that the first order of business is the most dynamic pass rusher possible. If we look at our DL on paper, we like it. We like Clem, Mebane, Jones, and Red. Branch is quality depth. While I think Jones is going to help the pass rush this season, I don’t think he’s going to all-of-a-sudden be “the” difference maker for this defense by being a double-digit sack guy. Don’t get me wrong, he’s going to help, but I don’t see him taking a below average pass rushing team and making them well above average. This means we still need a pass rusher (more, actually) and I don’t care if we’re not drafting a “starter” to start over Clem or Big Red. If we draft a pass rusher, we’re drafting a pass rusher who will play significant snaps, especially on the most crucial downs. I’ve said before that you realistically need more than four “starters” on your DL. I think you need 6-7 the way teams want to keep guys fresh. Well, we don’t have that many and 3 of the 5 good ones we have are going to be free agents at the end of the season. Personally, I would be fine with two edge pass rushers in the draft or an edge guy and 3-tech depth (kind of like they went overkill with Carp/Moffitt on the OL last year), with LB and RB in the 3rd/4th rounds.

    This is a totally different subject, but I wonder if Jones is in Seattle b/c of Mr. Happy’s recruiting skills? I’m sure the Hapster sold Jones on the idea that he’ll be a 3-tech in pass rushing situations and that bla, bla, bla… this is the best situation he could come into (and I think he’s right, but sometimes others don’t know better). Why else would a guy leave “home” or not reunite w/his former coach to only sign a 1-year deal? This is purely speculative, but I think comPete deserves some credit for getting him to sign a “measly” 1-year deal.

  32. Dukeshire says:

    I keep forgetting about Durham. He’s a talented kid. Good heads up.

  33. “The biggest case to make for drafting Floyd is Rice. Having a legit playmaker changes the dynamic for everyone else. As of this moment I am counting Rice out until he proves he can get/stay healthy.”

    Yeah, I agree with that. If Rice doesn’t produce this year, his signing is Branch-like flop. If we were to draft a skill position guy at #12 b/c we think he can be a difference maker to the offense – I’d be fine with that.

  34. Lil’ Ed McCaffrey! Very similar body types.

    Just say ‘no’ to WR in the first 4 rounds! Let the kids play! When Sidney Rice is your grizzled vet at 25 years old, maybe you try to not try to get even younger, but rather let what you have play/develop.

    I know BMW is older, but I don’t see where he’s a lock to make the team either.

  35. Look, I love Sidney Rice. When healthy, he’s a stud. The big problem here is “when/if” he’s “healthy.”

    But even if he gets knocked in the gord again and becomes a Lil’ Justin Morneau, he’s still not a bust like Branch. Brach cost a 1st round pick. Rice was signed in a year w/no cap or whatever (kind of). He was “free.”

    This regime is going to add a pass rusher in the 1st round b/c they are smart. If you average all the dumb things they have done vs. all the smart things they have done, it’s pretty clear they know what’s going on. They won’t let this upcoming draft pass by them w/o getting someone to rush the passer early in the draft. Maybe they will do something crazy like draft DeCastro, but you can bet they won’t let the 2nd round go by w/o getting a potential pass rusher.

  36. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Dukeshire- Don’t you dare forget about Durham! He is from close to where I live, lol.

    Dam Poison ivy has got me again!

  37. GeorgiaHawk says:

    BobbyK- aside from all this pass rushing talk, How can you not want a beast like Decastro in the first? He could end up being better than Hutch!
    Think about it BobbyK!
    Dam KC and the coin flip!

  38. ryanryan says:

    if jones can get some pressure up the middle, so will red on the outside. he will make red a better pass rusher because he could demand more attention. with branch and red on the same side all they had to do was honker down and not allow a push up the middle, jones provides some twisy nastiness to the inside rush that will free up red to power through a single man, which he does consistently. on the flip side, red will make jones a better pass rusher as teams must put more than one guy on red because he is so freaking strong and can cast one guy aside fairly easily. in no way am i satisfied with the pass rush, but i would bet this is what the guys are hoping will happen on the right side of the DL. if it doesn’t, jones will be gone next year. still, clem needs to be spelled and replaced in the next year or two, so there is still a need for the leo, but if they are right about the right side development of red and jones as a tandem – a first rounder does not necessarily have to be spent on pass rush. you gotta think that the defense has a good chance to maintain their level of production or even improve because they have the same group, linebackers aside.

    i do not think our defense is great – they are decent, hell – a sophomore slump could occur with either of our corners with little proven help behind them. i wish they would have kept tru, he may have even still beat out one of the starters, he is that good when healthy. most nickel corners must also provide special teams play, which trufant doesn’t, perhaps thats a factor.

  39. edstang45 says:

    Sheesh very good points from you guys concerning Passrush and offensive weapons…So I ask should we draft for need or take the best player available, big question for me is Decastro thought to be the best available at his position, Fleener looks like he could be a game changer at his position, Even though he’s not considered a higher 1st round choice, And as I want a Pass rusher very bad, I don’t see a sure fire winner at the 12 spot, theres 3 or 4 high potential guys, Kuekchly (sp)LB whos name is hard to spell , is he the real deal?? don’t want another Curry… So JS and PC have their work cutout for them

  40. ryanryan says:

    @edstang45 – i believe js/pc have made enough moves via fa other than lb to draft best player available regardless of position, i think thats where they are at with this roster…and i think thats where every team wants to be i would think.

    i know that i am probably in the minority thinking this seahawk roster is in the position to let the pass rush go another year without throwing high a draft pick at it, but thats what we thought about the qb position last year too.

  41. ryanryan says:

    nobody responded to my post yesterday about the possibility of the players union handing down punishments to the players involved…since, you know – their actions were counterproductive to the plight of the players who have retired and are wanting benefits to continue.

    has anyone heard anything from the players union addressing this issue?

  42. GeorgiaHawk says:

    In Carroll’s first year after the draft he said that his only regret is they didn’t pick a pass rusher.
    And after last season he talked about finding a game changing WR, so If that is any indication as to what the FO will do this year it looks like the chances are good that it will play out something like this-

    1st round- DE.

    2nd round- WR.

    3rd round- RB.

    But like Dukeshire says it’s nice to have the monkey off their back going into this draft.

    Now watch them pick a qb with the 1st round pick. Lol.

  43. I don’t think we can “bank” on 7 wins again as the measuring stick, whereas if we improve, we’ll have more wins. Those two Ram games were free. I’m fine with free wins, but I don’t think we can count on free wins again (those Rams were as decimated as any team I can imagine and clearly the worst team the NFL has seen since the winless Lions when we played them both times in that month). We have to be better just to get to the 7 win mark, and then to go where we want to go we need to improve even more.

    I don’t see where we can count on playing the crappy QBs we play again either like we did in that two month stretch especially. Saying our defense is good enough b/c it was good enough last year is a false sense of hope with a bad pash rush. It’s been years since I had seen as horrible of a streth of facing opposing QBs that we saw last year. Sure, Cutler and Vick are good and we may encounter injuries like that this upcoming season, but banking on it is foolish. The pass rush must improve b/c good QBs will kill us if we can’t get to them quicker.

  44. “Brach cost a 1st round pick. Rice was signed in a year w/no cap or whatever (kind of). He was “free.””

    Yeah, that’s true. Giving up a 1st round pick is a big difference.

    Hopefully Rice can hang in there this year, off-season surgery to both shoulders is worrisome, but maybe it’s what he has needed for ahwile.

  45. GeorgiaHawk, I like your priorities.

    In my mind team priorities are something like this:
    1 DE/OLB pass rusher
    2 WR
    3 QB
    4 LB
    5 OG

    Not that the draft will play out this way.

    And after reading this today, I agree that TE Fleener could be an interesting target if he’s there in the 2nd round, or if Schneider trades down in the 1st. Since we opened last season with seemingly ‘too many’ TEs I hadn’t thought ot TE as a target, but it could be. Along with another WR.

  46. I’d be happy if we acquired Fleener. I’m sure he is one of many impact players out there that the Hawks are looking at. I bet the Hawks pick a RB and a TE at some point in the draft. Those guys are tough to get in post-draft free agency. Fleener is probably one of top 30 talents in the draft, so getting him may be tough if you can’t trade down. But you never know, TE is a luxury for bad teams. I’m sure PCJS have a plan.

  47. Macabrevity says:

    I was really happy we picked up Jones, as I saw it as a move that made a guy like Brockers less of a need for us. I’m not sold on Brockers at all. I think Ingram or Mercilus should be the pick, there’s no way we tab a TE at #12. The only players I’d welcome outside of the aforementioned would be DeCastro (dominant guards are so underrated) or Kuechly.

  48. TE SHOULDN’T be a priority since we have Miller, unless Mr Happy is ready to admit the Miller signing was a mistake.

    We need linebackers. That & the 2 lines should be our main priorities at this point.

  49. I don’t think anyone would say the Gronk and Hernandez were mistakes – Belicheck even said at the time that you would see why they drafted them when it happened.

    I also remember on here when UW played Stanford there was alot of chatter about boy I would love to see Fleener, Decastro, Luck and Martin on our team :)

    I think 12 is too high for Fleener but if we moved down I would be more than happy to see us on our roster!

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