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Morning links: Manning leaning toward Broncos?

Post by Eric Williams on March 11, 2012 at 9:09 am with 91 Comments »
March 11, 2012 9:09 am

Two separate reports this morning have the Mile High city emerging as the leader to land Peyton Manning after his visit to Denver on Friday and Saturday.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports that according to a source, Manning is leaning toward Denver. Schefter also reports that Seattle continues to try and arrange a visit with Manning, but his camp isn’t interested at this point.

Mike Klis of the Denver Post provides a run down of Manning’s visit to Denver, which included dinner with John Elway, John Fox and former Seahawks receiver Brandon Stokley.

Klis reports that according to a source, the meeting with the Broncos was productive, but the two sides did not discuss contract terms.

Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic has the details on Manning’s visit to Arizona. He arrived Saturday evening and is expected to stick around most of today.

Dan Pompei, writing for the National Football Post, explains why Manning could be Joe Montana all over again at the end of his career with Kansas City.

Clare Farnsworth of takes a look at the offensive line prospects available in free agency.

Steve Wyche of the NFL Network offers a position-by-position look at the top players hitting free agency.

Schefter reports that Randy Moss will workout with San Francisco on Monday.

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  1. ChrisHolmes says:

    Wow. We can’t even get a meeting with Manning. So much for Seattle being a player in the Manning Sweepstakes.

    And I see he landed in Arizona this morning. That can’t make Kolb feel good. I wonder if Kolb would be a good fit here.

  2. Ewalters7354 says:

    The Broncos and Cards over the Hawks??You gotta be kidding me smh..

  3. SeahawkFan12 says:

    Consider the sources. Adam Schefter has yet to acknowledge that there is a pro football franchise in Seattle. He’s so busy being smug that even if Mannign was in Seattle for a meeting he wouldn’t mention it. And OF COURSE the Denver Post is going play up Manning’s visit. Of all the team in the mix, Denver makes the least sense. This is a wait-and-see situation. Manning may, indeed not consider Seattle, but until he signs with another team, I refuse to allow Adam Schefter OR the Denver Post to influence my perception of the situation.

  4. And the drama continues…

  5. IdahoVandalHawk says:

    Let him go to Broncos or Cards, it’s fine with me. The Hawks need to turn their attention towards Flynn or even Kyle Orton – I just don’t want them to reach for Tannehill at #12 when there will be so many good defensive players to choose from.

  6. chuck_easton says:

    Give it up SeahawkFan12,

    Seattle’s interest was dead in the water the minute it was made known. Manning wants to play in the AFC and if he did go to an NFC team it would be Arizona.

    Manning turned down Washington because it’s too cold there.

    Hate to say it to all the fine people still living in the PNW but once you leave a 100 mile radius of Seattle you don’t find many people that have anything good to say about the City.

    All you hear is it ‘rains all the time’, it’s never sunny, and it is too far away from civilization to visit.

  7. Seahawkfan78 says:

    Let them have him, he will be hurt by mid season. Just like the bounty system in NO. Teams will stack the D and go after him and knock him out of the game.

  8. If Peyton doesn’t want to be on the Seahawks then he will be our enemy on the field and get sacked a lot and hit hard when he plays us if he goes to AZ…

  9. what a crazy offseason…

    i can’t remember (and maybe someone could help me out) any other draft other than the ricky williams debacle where the top picks came at such a hefty price. i know that technically the colts didn’t HAVE to give up Manning to draft luck but they did in a round about way give up a HOF qb for luck.

    RG3 came at a tremendous price…it’d be interesting to see a chart comparing this draft and others in this regard and of course how it panned out. Is it usually worth it?

    I wonder.

  10. @dacmike – by OUR defensive line? i would bet our DL is a SELLING point for the cards…LOL

  11. Manning won’t sign in Arizona the Hawks and SF def are already a pair of the best in the league. With STL hitting the lotto and Jeff Fisher running the show you can bet they are gonna get better as well. Denver makes some sense as they are AFC, in a weak div and have 50 mil in cap space so they could sign a couple more pieces on the OL to make Peyton more comfortable.

    I wonder who is gonna sign on Tuesday?

  12. @Ryan Atlanta made a similar trade last year to get the right to draft Julio Jones looks like it’s working out so far.

  13. Dukeshire says:

    Denver makes the most sense to me. Primarily because of all the HCs of the interested teams, Fox is the most flexible. That is, he’s notarries to any one scheme (as evidence, their tayloring a system entirely around Tebow’s limited skills), and Manming would be able to run and shape his offense. I’d be very surprised to learn that any other team would simply hand the offense over to him entirely. At least, that’s my sense of it.

  14. Dukeshire says:

    *not married* to any one scheme… Damned IPhone.

  15. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    just so tired of hearing about manning

  16. Ah, the sour grapes are starting to ripen. I agree it ain’t over till he signs somewhere else. It’s true that there’s generally an ignorant perception of Seattle. I agree Denver might be the best fit. Wouldn’t it be funny if AZ signed him and he got another injury out of the gate? Then they’d have dumped buckets of money on two qbs and lost. The best thing about this is that he wants to get it done by Tuesday. So hopefully we only have 48 more hours left of worrying about something over which we have no control and can go back to worrying about other things over which we have no control.

  17. hawkfaninok – Yeah, and just think how tired you’d get hearing about him if he was on the Hawks.

  18. ChrisHolmes says:

    That’s the same thought I had a couple days ago Dukeshire. Fox clearly was flexible last year when Tebow took over. They adjusted their entire offense to fit his strengths (if you can call them that). I could see Peyton going there because he’ll be able to install his own offense.

    Plus, the Denver defense was really great for stretches last year (until Brady got pissed off and torched them). And, as previously stated, the AFC West is a weak division.

    Sad part of this is, if Manning goes to Denver, that leaves a void in Miami. Meaning the Dolphins probably drop back to plan B and fetch Flynn. Kolb stays in Arizona and Seattle is left out in the cold, reaching for a QB in the draft.

    Which is pretty much what my gut said (and I wrote) a couple weeks ago.

    We’re going to come out of this offseason no better than we started it as far as our most important position goes. Sad.

  19. SeahawkFan12 says:

    chuck_easton, I get your point but I think you missed mine. I am all about what is best for Seattle; I’d like to think Manning might be, but there are a lot of reasons whey he might not be. I’m actually coming around on Flynn but do not support overpaying for him (which is pretty much what is going to happen thanks to the over-hyping that has gone on around him since his one huge game against the Lions). My point is that the talking heads automatically dismiss Seattle as a possible suitor for most big-name FA and the excuses are ridiculous. That was my point. I’ve ‘let it go” with Manning because my first concern is over what is best for Seattle. I don’t think Tannehill at #12 is. Don’t know if Flynn is, either. We’ll see what happens soon…

  20. So manning signs with Denver and Seattle then trades for Tebow??

  21. SeahawkFan12 says:

    And as someone who lived a decent portion of his life in PNW and has moved away, I disagree about not having good things to say about the city. Seattle is one of the greatest cities in the world. Just my opinion, though.

  22. SandpointHawk says:

    Tebow will be traded to Jacksonville. He will fill the stadium there.

  23. Seahawks2620 says:

    I am completely fine with Manning not signing with the Hawks. Let him snub our beloved Seahawks, it would get me that much more hyped to watch the Seahawks D vs. Manning saga all year. If we were to sign Mario Williams and Flynn (I am aware of the fact that it would be tough, seeing as how those would be the only two moves we could make), and then draft Cousins in the second, we could give the Cardinals one hell of a battle. I would love nothing more then to see Williams shoving Manning face first down into the grass. There are many ways that this team could approach this off season, I just happen to think the Manning-less version would suit us better.

  24. SandpointHawk says:

    I am just dying to make an Anthony Hargrove / Payton Manning joke here.

  25. Does TNT understand the ramifications of Peyton landing in AZ?

    Kolb will be cut and there is a likely scenario he lands as our next “field general” at a very discounted price.

    What is the general consensus of TNT on this scenario?

  26. Seahawkfan78 says:

    I’m not a Kolb fan, but he is still better then TJ.

  27. It’s funny, as excited as I would be to see Manning in Seattle, I also wouldn’t be upset if he doesn’t land here.

    I think it’s telling that he has not scheduled a visit with the ‘Hawks. I wonder if that is based more on PM’s preferences, or the fact that JS/PC aren’t willing to “Do whatever it takes” to make it happen.

    Seriously though, this whole concept of Tebow coming to Seattle…laughable. That dude is nothing more than a backup in this league. So stop.

    I’m in the camp that would be interested in Kolb if he became available. And certainly Flynn. Assuming that these reports are true, and PM is indeed uninterested.

  28. Dukeshire says:

    Agreed. Stop with the Tebow nonsense.

  29. It’s amazing to me how many different scenarios could play out with respect to who our starting QB is going to be in 2012.

  30. I want Tebow as much as I want T-Jack in ’12.

  31. IdahoVandalHawk says:

    @BobbyK – agreed, but I’ll be o.k. with just about any of the scenarios just as long as we don’t teach for Tannehill at #12.

  32. For the record, I like Tebow and what he represents. He’s also clutch late in games. But I don’t want him on my team. I’ll admit, I rooted like heck for the Brocos late in the season and it was mainly b/c of him. I’m not sure why it’s okay to root for some people who have made stupid choices in life, but people hate Tebow for being a, seemingly, good guy. I’ll take a kneel down over some thug flashing a gang sign any day, even if some don’t.

    If Tannenhill is the long-term answer at QB, I’ll be okay with him at #12. It’s kind of like when the Chargers took Brees with the first pick in the 2nd round that one year. If some team at #12 had taken Brees, all the “experts” would have said what a stupid pick it was and how it was too early to take him (they didn’t get good value). But look how it turned out. In no way am I saying Tannenhill is the second coming of Brees, all I’m saying is that if he turns out to be a 12-15 year QB in Seattle, then taking him at #12 or “too early” would have been well worth it. Time will tell.

  33. JazBadAzz says:

    Glad this Peyton to Seattle junk is finally clearing up. Our team is not at the point where we are desperate for a QB, he would hurt us more than help us! You guys will be thankful that he is not coming here come September!

    The Kolb thing is, he can’t stay healthy. Go back and read what happen to him in Philly and we know he had concussions last yr among other things in AZ. Can’t beat anyone out for a job from the training room, at least I know T.Jack would play tough!

    We were a play here or there to being an 11 or 12 win team and most of the time it wasn’t the QB fault that we won or lost the game! A better all around team will make the difference, not a shot in the dark QB!

    Pete and John are very resilient and I trust those guys more than any other regime to the do right thing to win! They have the passion and hunger absent desperation that you can bet a franchise on. Minimize the major injuries and we will be in the best NFC team year in and year out!

  34. JazBadAzz says:

    Tebow is garbage, and is as offensive to some people as thugs to Don Imus types! Just saying America is a melting pot and we all don’t share his same faith!

  35. JazBadAzz says:

    Garbage=Football player….Wonderful young man, I love what he does off the field, just playing devils advocate on the last comment is all!

  36. HawkfaninMT says:

    I dont want PM to go to Denver for 2 reasons.

    1) Denver wants him, and I hate the Broncos. Old AFC West thing, if you don’t know, you are too young.

    2) If he goes to Denver that means the Dolphins still need a QB, and Kolb is still with AZ. Atleast either of those places open up options for us whther it be a higher probablity of signing Flynn or the chance to get Kolb if PC/JS think he is the answer at QB

  37. Dukeshire says:

    Seattle’s not at th point where they are desperate for a QB? I think nearly everyone here would agree it’s the team’s biggest need. No that I want Manning either, but let’s not fool ourselves; they need an answer at the position. And soon.

  38. They do have a passion and hunger, that’s why they seem to be going hard after Peyton. The reports I’m reading is that they still seem to be trying hard to get Peyton to come for a visit. They realize a good/great QB would have made this a 11-12 win team last season, even though it may not have been the QBs fault that it didn’t get to that total number of victories.

    No matter what a teams record was in a given season, there are always going to be calls or situations where a team should have won or lost more games. That’s the way it goes. What your record usually is what it should usually be. Sure, you maybe can point to a game you lost that you easily could have won, but there’s probably a scenario where you won a game your opponent can say easily should have been a loss.

    Could we have beat the 49ers in that last home game if Jackson hadn’t fumbled? Yes. But can the Giants say that Eli should have thrown the game winning TD late in that game to a Giant, instead of Browner picking it and giving us the win instead? Yes to that too. Can we count on beating the Ravens again with a couple of fumbles recovered off of kick-offs? Same for the first AZ game, could we easily have lost it? We could have easily been winless until the Rams game in Week 11.

    On the flip side, we could have beaten SF both times. We also could have easily beaten Atl, Cle, Wash, and AZ both times, instead of once.

    We could have finished 4-12 if things hadn’t fallen our way as much as they did. We could have finished 13-3 if we had caught all the breaks.

    We finished 7-9. That’s probably where we deserved to finish.

    I applaud Pete and John for going after Manning. I don’t fault them for their aggressiveness. I mean, they can’t put a gun to his head and tell him to visit. While I question the wisdom of going after a short term fix, I applaud their aggressiveness at fixing the most glaring need on the roster.

    If we end up with Kolb or Flynn, I’ll be happy, even though we know neither of them is as good as a healthy Manning.

    I do understand the Kolb health concerns though but I’d like to have him.

    Wouldn’t it be fun to beat the Cards with Manning with Kolb as our QB and Mario Williams destroying the AZ OL for 3-4 sacks in a WIN!?!? I’d laugh my head off!

  39. My position on Tebow is based on his inability to play the QB position well. I think he’s kind of obnoxious too–which probably doesn’t help. But there are plenty of obnoxious people I’d support, if they could help my team win games. :) I just don’t think he falls in that category.

  40. Jaz – LOL to that comment!

  41. Yeah. Tebow for the first 3 1/2 quarters looks brutal. But there’s something about that guy late in the game.

    Maybe we can stay the course with T-Jack and make him our first 25 minutes of each half QB and then go with Tebow for the last 5 minutes of each half?


  42. SeahawkFan12 says:

    Not a Tebow fan either. Great guy, lousy QB. I could care less about this faith; lots of athletes (and ‘regular’ people, too) lean on their faith, so I really don’t care about that. I agree with BobbyK that he’s clutch and that I wouldn’t want him on my team. Besides, Denver’s not going to trade him. They think they can reform him with Elway and Manning…LOL! Good luck with that.

    And Jaz, that was a hilarious post!

  43. All credit to bayarea… but this is from a couple of posts ago (earlier today)…

    ***This is what I’m trying to scrounge too, that the ‘Hawks seem to desperately want him to come, but he hasn’t yet*** Although I had not seen the twitter link below…

    “In all the noise regarding Manning’s visits to DEN and AZ this weekend, I was thinking SEA was pretty much out, but then I heard that although no visit is “scheduled”, Manning’s been in contact with Seattle throughout the weekend:
    The consensus after a little digging is that he may visit Seattle if he’s not knocked out by DEN or AZ.
    Not sure if I’m still holding out hope or ready to move on, but the next two days should be fun!”

  44. I agree, if Manning goes to AZ & we don’t get Flynn, Kolb will likely be our next QB.

  45. bayareahawkfan says:

    Yeah Jay Glazer is a giant tool, but he occasionally breaks stuff. I just don’t know now; the Whisenhunt connection with Peyton (they play golf all the time in the offseason, AZ hired his old QB coach, and that denied dinner during the Superbowl week between Fitz and Peyton), as well as the Elway/Fox connection (Peyton is apparently close with both for some reason) both make sense – he’s following up on situations where he has existing relationships.

    Even though I understand human nature, it makes me just as annoyed as several others who’ve posted that he won’t even give SEA the courtesy of a visit, to make their case…

  46. ChrisHolmes says:

    “…but people hate Tebow for being a, seemingly, good guy.”

    Wrong :-)

    Personally, I hate Tebow (the QB – not the person) because he SUCKS, yet he gets all sorts of attention and credit for his team’s wins when the reality of the situation was a better QB would have never gotten his team in position to require late game “heroics”.

    Tebow got far too much credit for those Denver wins when it was really their defense that was the reason they were even in position to win those games.

    Tebow is, bar none, the worst quarterback I’ve ever seen. As bad as I think TJack is, Tebow is so much worse. It’s not even close. Tebow’s mechanics are pathetic. No anticipation at all. Zero accuracy. Can’t read a defense to save his life.

    Tebow is a great example of just how far apart the college game and the pro game are. He’s probably the most celebrated college QB of all time. And he’s also the worst professional QB prospect EVER.

    Once the magic carpet ride is over, Tebow won’t even be a 3rd string QB in the NFL.

  47. SeahawkFan12 says:

    Sweet, thanks for the post BobbyK. I find it hard to believe that Manning wouldn’t at least visit Seattle and take a long hard look at the situation, which I think is a better one for him at this stage in his career (i.e. better chance at winning now and advancing to the playoffs, SB, etc) Should be an interesting next couple of days.

  48. JazBadAzz says:

    @Bobbyk- the iffy wins that can go either way can be manipulated to our favor every game with a well rounded team rather than a QB. Just think of how bad Eli played the yr before and much of this past season! Qb’s play well at time and other times you want to choke the mess out of them! That comes with the position. We need to hang our hat on 3 things first and foremost!

    1. Run the ball with Ferocity every game all game!(Trent Richardson 12th)

    2. Dictate and Dominate on defense, force teams to take what we give them and to try and match up with us instead of the D matching the offense!

    3. Win special team and field position! We play really poor IMO in this phase of the game.

    The QB for us just needs to make a play here and there to keep the chains moving. Don’t turn the ball over.

    We taking this back to the good old days, screw this spread offense junk that can break you more than it will make you! Running the ball for 160+ a game and a super tight defense will win more than trying to score 30 points a game any day of the week.

    It might not be fun to watch but that’s my brand of football and it a proven winner!

  49. I think Tebow sucks, in performance and style (and don’t want him) in the first 3 1/2 quarters. But I don’t care what he looks like w/2:00 minutes to go. You can’t deny there’s not something special there when the game is on the line. Really, T-Jack not to lose it for 50-55 minutes and then Tebow to actually win it for 5 minutes isn’t all that bad of a remedy. On paper, it would be about the worst situation ever, but it just might work. LOL!

  50. One thing I question with the run the ball, play good defense stuff… is those people always talk about winning special teams too.

    If you run the ball and play good defense, does that guarantee playing good special teams, too? I don’t think it does.

    Wouldn’t you rather throw the ball, play good defense, and good special teams if there was a choice b/w running the ball, playing good defense, and not playing good special teams?

    I don’t think there are any guarantees that if you do one thing, then good special teams play will follow. Tom Osborne always had good special teams play b/c I think they valued it (more practice time) more than most. It’s the same reason VaTech usually has great special teams play.

    I’m all for being good in all three phases though!

  51. Dukeshire says:

    There is no correlation between either running or throwing the ball well and ST play. Generally, good defensive teams play well on ST, at least so far as coverage goes. But again, covering kickoffs and punts has its own skills that comes with its own specific set of disciplines. And as we saw last year, they had several breakdowns on covering kicks that hurt, and cost them at least one game, SF.

  52. tchristensen says:

    I find it curious that Peyton Manning wants to sign a contract before Tuesday but yet he hasn’t worked out for any team that he’s visited. Sounds like a case of “buyer beware”. Don’t understand the hurry. I’m sure a lot of fans will be disappointed that Manning doesn’t sign with the Hawks but I’m confident a lot of us will be glad he didn’t!

  53. JazBadAzz says:

    I think running the ball cuts down on turnovers and puts pressure on defense to stack the box and that will open up bigger pays plays for an average QB that struggles with making plays on his own. But I can agree with your assessment under the right circumstances. I just feel like we are closer to the running the ball scheme with the way our team and philosophy is geared.

    Im enjoying all the great comments fellas! great Job!

  54. tchristensen says:

    Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if the whole Peyton Manning interest on the part of PC/JS is a ruse. He just doesn’t fit their demographic. If he did, I believe we’d still have Matt Hasselback.

  55. JazBadAzz says:

    By the way, coverage is important but being able to take it to the house when kicked to is just as important. Devin Harris and the Bears had something special the year they went to the superbowl. However, Harris decided he wants to be a receiver and its never been the same since!

    What was our avg return for kick offs and punts last season? We lost the cleveland game because Leon’s was called back!

  56. HawkfaninMT says:

    I think LeMichael james would be a great KP/PR guy in the mold of Sproles

  57. My point was totally missed. I am sorry. I don’t think there is any correlation either.

    If you’re a coach and you put emphasis on the ST, you will get better results. Every coach will tell you that ST is important. However, there are so many minutes in a day. Some coaches seem to give more time/attention to ST than others and these are the ones who seem to have better units (the old Neb/and current VaTech examples).

    My main point was this — if you run the ball and play good defense — that doesn’t mean you will automatically play great ST.

    The only way I think you have a better chance (no guarantees) at good ST is if you play a 3-4, which we don’t, as there are more LBs on your STs and these are the type of guys who are usually better on STs (stereotypically).

  58. I don’t think we need any KR/PR guy right now. Not with Leon signed for three more years.

  59. Soggybuc says:

    LOL you guy’s are too easy. so to throw some fuel…
    How did you like that game winning TD toss vs the Steelers? you know that one in the PLAYOFFS that Tebow WON while TJ sat at home. just saying

  60. Seahawks2620 says:

    Sorry to say it, but the Broncos are A LOT more talented on the offensive side of the ball. Specifically on the offensive line. It is the reason for Tebow looking “decent”, this past season. The kid is trash.

  61. JazBadAzz says:

    Sorry I don’t believe 3-4 teams have better special teams. Bears are one of the best and they have very good sp teams. Theoretically more LB’s will cover better (not necessarily true) but I believe your 4th-5th db’s(Kennard Cox was missed big time when he was out last season) are the best at coverage followed by your 4th-5th wr’s (gunners). TE’s and Fullback are excellent at getting big returns because of there ability to block and understanding angles! I love Beemer ball, VaTech is an excellent example!

    Your right about running the ball and playing great defense will not make sp teams better…its a totally different phase of the game but just as equally important! It has to be great in its on right! Great defense help much more than a great offense.

  62. ChrisHolmes says:

    The problem with the whole “run the ball, play defense and win on special teams” approach is that you have to do that for 60 minutes turnover-free AND you have to have the lead, because you have zero chance of making a comeback if the other team jumps out to an early lead. That style of play is not built to come from behind against adversity.

    A potent passing offense changes the complexion of a game dramatically. It makes every second of every game a scoring opportunity. It creates fear… One slip-up on defense and it’s six points.

    I mean, think about this, and be honest: Who are you more afraid of in the final two minutes of a football game? Trent Dilfer and the 2000 Ravens or Tom Brady and the Patriots?

    I fear Brady, Breese and both Mannings whenever the clock winds down to the final two minutes. They’re going to score…

    When it comes to assembling a team in any sport, I think the best strategy is to create/build what you fear the most; create the thing that gives you the most trouble when you face it. So in terms of offenses, what are we most afraid of? What kills us as Seahawks fans, over the years?

    Simple: A HoF caliber QB who can slice us and dice us all day long. The best ones are simply too difficult to stop…

    Sure, we can get a game-manager at QB and I suppose a bunch of Seahawks fans would be happy to have a lot of close games where we win or lose on the strength of a kicker’s foot. 13-10. 20-17. A win here one week, a loss the next, but all close games, managed well by our “game manager” QB. Yay.

    But for me, I want the elite QB and to build an entire team around that. We’re putting together a great defense. We’re building a young OL and adding talent at the skill positions. We just locked up a beast RB for four more years. Stop settling for a “game manager” QB and start imagining what this team would be capable of with a real elite QB at the helm…

  63. JazBadAzz says:

    Leon Washington fell off last year, not sure what it was but he was not very explosive and his vision didn’t seem the same!

  64. NYHawkFan says:

    Seattle doesn’t have a storied history like Arizona or Denver (both are Superbowl winners), so Manning’s ego won’t allow him to come to a “second tier” team (in his mind) like Seattle. I’d bet he’s already made his decision, but he’s playing one team against another to boost his next paycheck.

  65. ChrisHolmes says:

    @Soggybuc Oh right, the throw against Cover 0? You know, the one defense no other QB in the NFL would have ever seen in that situation? The one defense the Steelers didn’t mean to run on that play, but one of the safeties cheated and blew his assignment?

    That play was all about Tebow… Riiiiight… As Chad Johnson would say, “Child, Please”.

    I don’t really want to disrespect someone on this board, but touting that play as an example of Tebow’s great QB skill shows a complete lack of understanding about the NFL game and that play in particular. I hesitate to say half of the people on this board could have made that read and throw. I mean, if Tebow didn’t make that play, then he flat-out needs to change careers already.

    No other QB in the NFL would have ever seen that defensive look.

    And the more time teams have to examine tape of TeBlow, the more we’re going to see full 60 minutes of football that look like the first 58 minutes of most of his games. In other words: teams are going to find ways to make him look really bad for entire games. There won’t be the magical comebacks…

    One final thought: Tebow’s completion percentage for 2011 regular season: 46.5%.

    Yeah, that will get it done in the NFL…

    He’s a nice kid, and a nice story, and has a much passion as anyone to ever play the game. Great kid.

    But he’s a horrible QB.

  66. JazBadAzz says:

    Trent Dilfer was a BUM and still is! I hear what you saying but your minimizing what I’m saying. A team more like our 2005 team is a better example. We ran fist and Matt kept the chains moving with and occasional big play here and there.

  67. JazBadAzz says:

    Brad Johnson and the Bucs would be more of what I mean. The Falcons with Jamaal Anderson is another good example. Hell even the Broncos with Terell Davis running those 2 yrs was nice!

  68. NY – When have the Cardinals ever won a Super Bowl?

    Yes. Brad Johnson was a fine NFL QB in his prime. He wasn’t great, but he didn’t suck (like Dilfer). He was good enough at one point to get traded to Washington for a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick (not in the same year). I’m not sure if that bolds well for RGIII or not? lol.

    Excuse me for thinking a reserve LB would make for better coverage on ST than a DT. Either of which you need more depth of depending on your style of D, whether it’s a 3-4 or 4-3.

  69. Dukeshire says:

    Leon Washington was just fine last season. He share the league lead in returns of 20+ yards and was second in the league of returns of 40+ yards. So let’s put that false narrative to rest.

    Moreover, league wide, kickoff return numbers were down due to the rule changes. Washington has been and is still one of the best in the business. Period.

  70. chuck_easton says:

    On another note it looks like the Bears are going to make a run at heater on Tuesday.

  71. Amazing all the psychic energy going into this site. It’s a great site. Eric (Eric, do you read this far down? Do you have a bot that looks for your name?), is there any way to get numbers put on the comments; so I can know where I left off earlier in the day without having to search. I.e., this would be comment #78 (or thereabouts).

  72. Like I said the our LB core next year scares me to death!! I feel we REALLY need to make a splash here – doesn’t have to be best in the NFL type splash but we need 2 above average STARTERS.

    Also, if Manning won’t even come on a visit I hope he goes to the Cards and
    1. everytime he steps on the field a the clink he gets boo’d for the entire time he on the field and

    2. He gets his but kicked – no bounty included while he is here.

    I really have no problem that he goes where he wants eventually – but they fact that he is Totally ignoring even talking to Seattle pisses me off. Totally smells of east coast bias.

    I guess I don’t understand the idea of not wanting to visit a team that will help drive the price up for other teams and with the exception of Fitzgerald what does Arizona REALLY have above Seattle? other than the dome..

  73. There’s still time for Manning to come to Seattle. Afterall, it appears the Seahawks have been in contact all weekend and are trying to get him to visit and he hasn’t told them no (like the Jets and ‘Skins). If he does come, I would think it would have to be tomorrow. Miami to Seattle is a long way, so Phoenix to Seattle to Miami (or KC/Ten in b/w) would seem the logical route. I don’t buy the East Coast bias stuff if he’s visiting the Cards and their brutal OL.

  74. chuck_easton says:

    Manning has already left Arizona on his way back to Miami.

    Doesn’t look promising for any Seattle visit if he really is going to choose his team by Tuesday.

  75. I think the Manning family is allergic to the Pacific Ocean. Prissy Eli said ,”aw-shucks no.” To the San Diego Chargers when they had the number one pick. Just a theory.
    Overall, I opine: too much risk with that neck.

  76. RDPoulsbo says:

    Maybe Manning will have a primetime announcement show like LeBron James…

    Seriously though, as I’ve said several times, this team isn’t built for a Manning-led offense. No, they don’t have a long-term QB right now, but they are clearly building an offense around a specific idea of who they want as that QB and Manning doesn’t fit that mold.

  77. So far this whole thing is killing me – since he is not going to any of the teams that REALLY need a QB which still leaves us, up a creek, shall we say!

  78. RDPoulsbo says:

    BTW: If there’s another way for me to express my disdain for the idea of signing Manning, let me know.

  79. Dukeshire says:

    Bobby – What is the declined aspect to that link?

    This Manning nonsense is nearly as painful as all the Favre talk here, last year. I’ll be so grateful when he signs with whoever, and we can get on with the rest of our lives (and the small matter of the draft next month).

  80. “The Kansas City Chiefs and Seattle Seahawks are out. Each team tried to get Manning to visit. He declined.”

  81. If it turns out that Manning has declined to pay attention to us (it ain’t over till it’s over), it would be good if our fearsome reporters, specifically Eric, Boling, and McGrath, could find out why exactly (from the Seahawks p.o.v. and the Manning p.o.v.)

    Maybe there’s just too much B.S. in the biz and we’d never know. When it’s over, ask Pete, JS, and Paul Allen. I want to know what they think.

  82. JazBadAzz says:

    Who didn’t see that coming!?!?

  83. JazBadAzz says:

    Pete and John has never shown their hand before, I love it!

  84. The Seahawks FO going hard after him
    him not wanting to come for a visit?

  85. JazBadAzz says:

    Playing poker Bobby, make everyone think your doing one thing so you can easily do another! Those guys are super smart, I’m sure after the first call they knew the chances of getting manning. They are business men and they are not going to keep calling every 1hr like a crazy ex-girlfriend! They got their eyes on something better, trust me! :)

  86. JazBadAzz says:

    They knew he didn’t want to come here and knew the media would create that distraction needed to talk to other free agents! Hell Pete is sort of a media whore in some regard, he evn tweeted Lebron to come in for a work out when all that whoopla was going on.

  87. A crazy ex-girlfriend?
    I love it!

  88. NYHawkFan says:

    Oops, my bad. You’re right, the Cards lost to Pittsburgh. Will not rely on faulty memory next time. ;-)

  89. NYHawkFan says:

    Unless, of course, you want to count the 1947 Chicago Cardinals championship! :-)

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