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Morning links: Did Hill’s price tag come down?

Post by Eric Williams on March 1, 2012 at 7:23 am with 165 Comments »
March 1, 2012 7:24 am

St. Louis Rams quarterback Sam Bradford, center, is sacked for a 9-yard loss by Seattle Seahawks linebacker Leroy Hill, right, as Seahawks' Roy Lewis, left, looks on during the second quarter of an NFL football game, Sunday, Nov. 20, 2011, in St. Louis. (AP Photo/Tom Gannam)

Considering linebacker Leroy Hill’s latest brush with the law, the leading opinion is that there’s little chance the 29-year-old linebacker will be back in Seattle.

But Dave Boling of The News Tribune wonders if Hill’s price tag has just come down, making it easier for Seahawks’ brass to keep him on the 2012 roster.

Boling: Teams are unlikely to heavily invest in an aging linebacker who could face a looming suspension. So bidding in the market might make him inexpensive to keep.

The Seahawks are already lean at linebacker, with leading tackler David Hawthorne a free agent whose longevity and durability can be fairly questioned.

Depending on the evidence in Hill’s case, I don’t think the current Seahawk front office is going to be too judgmental about a possession charge.

They drafted tight end Anthony McCoy after reportedly testing positive for marijuana at the 2010 combine. He was a projected third- or fourth-round pick, so he seemed a bargain worth taking when he was available in the sixth round.

So it’s logical to speculate that they’ll likewise consider keeping Hill if his expected performance warrants the contract investment.”

Dave Wyman of ESPN 710 Seattle says Hill needs to realize the talent that he has and understand you get only so many years to play in the league.

Rob Rang of says to be wary of these workout warriors, including North Carolina linebacker Zach Brown and USC defensive end Nick Perry. Rang compares Brown’s linebacker instincts to Aaron Curry, and we all know that’s not a good thing.

Don Banks of Sports Illustrated hands out awards from last week’s combine.

ESPN’s Mike Sando gives us the best and worst performance from each workout at the combine.

Peter Schrager of Fox Sports gives Seattle South Carolina edge rusher Melvin Ingram in his post-combine mock draft.

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  1. Boy, watching Mooch interview RGIII on NFL Network makes we wish the Seahawks had a shot at him. He is impressive. If I were Jeff Fisher, I’d trade Sam Bradford and grab RGIII. He’ll bring a lot of excitement to whichever franchise is lucky enough to draft him.

  2. Dukeshire says:

    Despite his solid year, I wasn’t convinced Hill was coming back before this latest dust-up. I do think it hurts his value, but also increases the need at LB and makes Heater a more attractive re-sign.

  3. HawkyHann says:

    Remember last time the league suspended “smoke dog” Leroy Hill after falling asleep in his Caddy in ATL, that idiot made matters even worse by showing up as a fan at Qwest, which is a no-no for suspended players, and that cost him further suspension.

    This guy is a train wreck. Look at his track record, especially the domestic abuses. Get rid of him quick.

  4. HawkyHann says:

    Canfan I agree. Everything he does is impressive. Dreaming, hoping, we pull of some magic on draft day and get this guy.

  5. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Even though I don’t agree with the way Hill’s arrest went down, and the Seahawks can sign him for cheap, he was careless! To sign him back for cheap would not be a positive example to the other players on the team.
    I’m sure though a team like the Jets or the Eagles will pick him up.

  6. He’s not exactly a spring chicken anymore and Smith is a fast player that’s going to see more PT. When comPete said he wanted to get faster at LB, I thought he was talking about in place of Hill specifically, while also referencing Heater perhaps a little. We all know KJ Wright is seen as a starter and he and his speed aren’t going anywhere except possibly to the middle (but Mr. Happy said he sees him as a SAM continuing forward, which I agree with). Up until this past season, Hill hadn’t exactly been an ironman either. There were always injuriese that kept him out of games here and there. I’m not sure why the healthy trend would continue as he’s almost gotten to 30.

  7. HawkfaninMT says:

    Question on scheme:

    With Trufants contract, and WT3’s injury record thus far it seems like the Hawks may be looking at a Nickel corner later in the draft.

    What characteristics would the Hawks look for in their nickel CB? I realize that there is a certain skill set that should be looked for in covering a teams slot WR. For instance Browner is a fine press corner on the outside. But, he would get eaten alive on the inside by a shifty WR like Baldwin for example.

    So in looking at the draft should they still be looking at the big 6 foot+ guys still, or shorter and quicker? Player with more of a zone history vs man to man?

    Any thoughts and names to be thrown out there?

    There was an shorter fast CB from USF( I think?) that dominated the combine that I heard about. I like Cliff Harris if he is still there in the 4th or 5th (if we somehow acquire one). As a Griz homer, I think Trumaine Johnson is a stud.

  8. FleaFlicker says:

    Eric, great job keeping us sane during the off season. On a different topic, I’m dying to know the status of our O-line in terms of health and ability to participate in training camp and OTAs. We had Carp, Moffett, and Okung end the season on IR. They’re young guys so I’m hoping they can bounce back. How are they doing? Any updates? Anything to worry about?



  9. HawkfaninMT says:

    Any thoughts on Vontaze Burfict?

    He bombed the combine and seems to be an idiot… But he puts fear into his opponents and hits like a Seahawks defender nowadays. If heater weren’t able to be re-signed. Would anyone be too upset if they were draft Burfict in the 3rd round or later?

  10. chuck_easton says:

    You mean Aaron Curry 2.0? The guy is a train wreck both on and off the field.

    He is a personal foul/late hit penalty waiting to happen. He has fights in the locker room with his own team mates.

    Oh, and he bombed at the combine. He may go undrafted.

    And on another note, I HATE, HATE, HATE RGIII. He’s just so…nice, and well spoken, and mature, and intelligent, and has too many good skills. If we can’t have him (and I don’t think we have a shot) than I want to not like anything about him?

  11. piperfeltcher says:

    Surprised that Hawthorne is only 26 seems like he has been in the league for a while.
    Ya I would be upset if they wasted a 3rd on Burfict the guy constantly hurt his team with stupid penelties and so the coaches started to limit his playing time which he then uses as a excuse for his poor stats this season and throws his coaches under the bus. The guy is a cancer who will be washing cars for a living in 3 years.

  12. piperfeltcher says:

    How was Aaron Curry a train wreck on and off the field? Yes he was not a very productive football player but never heard of any off-field or locker room issues. From what I have heard Curry was a good teammate and worked hard he just did not produce.
    I say the Hawks should sign Flynn and Nicks in free agency. resign Lynch, Red and Hawthorne. Draft Perry in the 1st and a LB in the 2nd.

  13. I’m as big of a Nicks fan as they come, but we can’t pay his asking price if we’re going to get a QB and/or Mario Williams in FA.

  14. Something on this page caused Firefox to crash three times, so I switched to IE.

  15. wabubba67 says:

    No on Burfict! The guy is an idiot (personal fouls everywhere) who will hit hard once in awhile, but NEVER wrap up. Maybe as a FA signing after the draft, but I wouldn’t waste a 6th rounder on him…especially considering how well Schneider/Carroll are able to find gems late in the draft.

  16. JazBadAzz says:

    I think the seahawks could be penalyzed for signing repeat offenders. Im not sure on the wording but i know thats one of the new things they are doing to scale back troubled players and organizations that try to sign them at bargain prices.

    I would still love to sign him back for a year.
    Draft the kid from texas name Acho in the 3rd.
    Draft melvin imgram/ in the 1st, this guy brings tremendous versatility a long the line.
    Try to get Mario Williams if not look at Robert Mathis if the colts don’t sign him.
    The titans got some young guys that they are not going to be able to sign, we should also look there.
    We need to get John Carlson signed asap!
    Draft Doug Martin in the 2nd
    trade baackup and get Weeden or Cousins in the 3rd/late 2nd!

  17. JazBadAzz says:

    I really like Hightower also, I doubt we will be able to get him with out trading back into the 20’s.

  18. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Poe and Kuechly are moving up the boards.

  19. piperfeltcher says:

    Hawks have between 35-40 million in cap space and can get another 8 mill by releasing Trufant and Galley. Trufant may be back but only if he takes a big pay cut to finish his career here. I think they have enough cap to resign there guys and make a run at 2 premier free agents and I hope it is Nicks and Flynn.

  20. piperfeltcher says:

    Poe had a gret combine but was not very productive in college so he is a risky pick as you would be drafting him based on potential not on productivity.
    Kuechly is the safest pick in the draft in my opinion. He will be a tackling machine in the NFL I see him as a Lodon Fletcher type of pro may not wow anybody but at the end of the year his stats will be among the best.

  21. piperfeltcher says:


  22. JazBadAzz says:

    We will not be able to sign Nicks at all. I don’t think its logical to sign a high price guard.

    Kuechly reminds me of Tatupu because he is a smart instinctive player. He’s not going to have those wow plays but will just do a solid job.

    I want a dominator, a player that scratches his feet like a bull when its 4th and short! Blows up the line and breaks jaw bones!!! Give me another beast for the defense! Donta Hightower is that guy but we are not in the necessary position to get him.

  23. Wow, just listened to JS on Brock and Saulk. Pretty illuminating. He was very very clear in not wanting to trade up for RG3. I knew that was his general philosophy, but it was interesting to hear him say it so demonstratively.

    Sad, but ya know…there will be other good QB’s available as well. And the idea of not “giving up the farm” for one player…I get it.

  24. JazBadAzz says:

    Im with JS on “not giving up the farm”!

    Did we resign Gibson yet? Hopefully we start re-signing some our on guys soon!

  25. Soggybuc says:

    I wouldnt want to pay the price that RG3 is going to cost. that would cripple a franchise pick wise for years.
    Interesting speculation that NO will franchise Nicks and let Brees flirt with FA market.
    Burfict makes Leroy Hill look like a Rhodes scholar.

  26. piperfeltcher says:

    If NO lets Brees hit free agency he will be a Redskin.

  27. piperfeltcher says:

    Nicks is looking for 5 years at 40 mill so 8 mill a year. Williams contract is going to be in the range of 12 mill a year. I take Nicks at 8 mill over Williams at 12 mill. Nicks is never hurt and has produced every year were Williams is always hurt and has had 3 good seasons.

  28. JazBadAzz says:

    piperfeltcher- why do you think we need a gaurd? That would be counter productive! Like Eric pointed out, Tom Cable works wonders with average guys. Our line was not playing so poorly last yr that warrants priority.

  29. JazBadAzz says:

    Actually, our line was playing pretty darn well! We rushed the ball well and was the first team to score a running td on the 49ers! The last 9 weeks of the season we were tops in the league in rushing pretty much!

  30. piperfeltcher says:

    Yes the line played much better last year but still allowed to much pass rush in my opinion. I also think Nicks is the BEST guard in the NFL right now and would make the line way better. I would also not call guard a strength right now as Galley is injury prone and was terrably inconsistant last year and is way overpaid and Moffit is young and coming off of a injury. With Nicks the line would be able to dominate games if it stays health and would give the Hawks a real point of strength.

  31. SandpointHawk says:

    Random thoughts as I read this string of posts.

    Cleveland is looking at Carson.
    Having no problem with Firefox.
    Robert Mathis is 31.
    We need to pick up a safety late, we are thin at backup there.

  32. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    lol, god i love this blog, and we play some much better together than we did in the past.

    listen this is not rocket science here peeps decasto can play any interior line position if he is avialable at 12 you take him and show gallery the door. have you seen the tape of this guy getting to the next level blocking? he destroys linebackers. he is also atleast as smart as luck can diagram plays knows the line calls ect. i get giddy thinking about him blocking for beast mode. maybe with him we give up 10 less sacks a year. everyone on this line is either rookie deal or short term so there is nothing set other than maybe okung.


    i still like carp at RT he was a rookie with no trianing camp i say give him a year.

  33. Dukeshire says:

    HawkfaninMT – Typically, nickel corners are going to play off a bit. You’d want someone that is comfortable in zone coverage. So size isn’t typically a prerequisite, however, with teams aligning more TEs in the slot, offenses are able to create mismatches. So moving forward, I believe we’ll see more nickel’s getting bigger, but they will still need to be quicker than fast. Thurmond would be a nice fit there, if he can stay healthy. I liked Roy Lewis there quite a bit as well. Nickel corners in many ways need to be the most versatile corners because they will be covering the Welker types and the Finley types. Offenses really are dictating the position’s evolution.

  34. Dukeshire says:

    You know how you can tell the Seahawks are improving? This blog is as active as it’s been in the offseason since the ’07 or ’08 season.

  35. Could De Castro dominate at RT? I read somewhere that he would do well there, which would free Carp to move over to LG.

  36. An Okung, Carp, Unger, Moffit, De Castro line could be scary.

  37. JazBadAzz says:

    I think it is absolutely essential to keep Trufant for both side. he should restructure because he is not going to be starting so why make starting money? The teams that we will face this year will run a lot of spread and they all have a dynamic type of tight end. I don’t trust Walter Thurmond or Roy Lewis to handle that responsibility. I still don’t fully trust Browner, teams will pick on him a little more this year. I hope he’s working on his change of direction skills.

    I don’t think Decastro can play tackle. He’s just really good at any guard or center position, which is where his value is. He has a Hutch grade coming out of college but we don’t need him. That’s why Breno is signed and ready to go!

  38. JazBadAzz says:

    This guy is a descent pass rusher we should certainly take a look at…Kamerion Wimbley. John Abraham is another, and before you guys say well he’s to old blah blah blah, he would be a situational pass rusher and we would be able to keep him fresh. I would not like him to play every down!

  39. NYHawkFan says:

    Long-time reader, first-time poster. Born in Seattle, but have lived most of my adult life in NY. Don’t care for either Jets or Giants, though. Excuse me for off-topic post. The wire here in NY posted the following this afternoon:

    “The Seahawks are one of the main teams going after star defensive end Mario Williams, according to ESPN’s John Clayton.
    The No. 1 overall pick in the 2006 NFL Draft and a two-time Pro Bowler, Williams has 53 sacks in his six-year career with the Houston Texans. But the 27-year-old, who will be a free agent on March 13, missed 11 games last season due to a torn pectoral.

    Nevertheless, Seattle needs a pass-rusher — and Williams has a proven record of sacking and pressuring the opposing quarterback. Clayton told 710 ESPN Seattle radio on Tuesday that Seahawks coach Pete Carroll said he’d consider a high-priced defensive end like Williams, who may now be out of Houston’s price range.

    “This is from teams in the division,” Clayton told 710 ESPN radio. “They think that Seattle is going to be one of the main teams (pursuing) Mario Williams. They really do.””

  40. Soggybuc says:

    There is some sense in a Decastro pick up, I would much rather see decastro slide from LG to center if needed and have Lem or McQ sub at guard than see Lem run center.

  41. chuck_easton says:

    I’m sold on DeCastro if, and only if, the team picks up a pass rushing DL in FA.

    Now note I put DeCastro ahead of QB. The stars just don’t align for a cant miss QB at #12. So if DL is handled by signing one of the big name pass rushing d-linemen out there, by all means go for DeCastro and pick up a QB somewhere in rounds 2-4.

    No help in the DL from free agency and my gut feeling says the team has to go DL in the 1st round.

  42. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Welcome NYHawkFan-I sure hope we make a play for Mario! Boy if we get him, Flynn, and draft Upshaw or Decastro I might just buy that 60 foot pole that Directv said I would need to get satellite for the NFL games this year!

  43. RDPoulsbo says:

    I really don’t see much sense in drafting Decastro, especially if they’re planning to move Carp to LG and Breno to RT. Sometimes you just have to wait for a player to develop and that’s where we are with Carp. As good as Decastro is, it would be a knee-jerk pick that undoes last year’s 1st round pick.

    As for Hill, I’m sure he’ll be cheap, but he’ll also be suspended for 1/4 of the season next year. You don’t contribute to winning when you can’t play a single snap on Sundays. Given his age and past injury issues, it would just be better to move on and give one of the young guys a shot.

  44. chuck_easton says:


    I’m beginning to think it’s personal for you! Another test?

    Either that or you really need to upgrade from that Commodore64 computer.

  45. Palerydr says:

    Piper your numbers are wrong it’s gonna take 15-18 mil a year with at least 60% guaranteed to Sign Williams.

    I’d draft Decastro before spending money on Nicks. most of our FA money is gonna go for Flynn and Williams IF we get either of them.

    NYHawkFan welcome aboard! Bobbyk and Dukeshire are our paid bloggers I think Eric kicks them a signed Seahawk cheerleader calender. Chuck Easton is our resident funny man with many others posting some real funny opinions/stuff.

  46. Palerydr says:

    LOL see what I mean! Nope I keep getting the error message which means I have to sign out then back in again. My puter did take a header out a second story window once so maybe that might have something to do with it as well.

  47. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I totally agree with you Chuck!

    I just hope that there isn’t a run on D-lineman before we pick if we don’t fill that need in free agency!

    What will really upset me is that we sign someone like Williams and then KC picks Decastro with #11, the spot we would have had if we won the coin flip!

  48. Dukeshire says:

    DeCastro fills a position of redundancy on this roster. Especially by using a first on the o line, for the third year in a row.

  49. Palerydr says:

    I don’t want to draft Decastro either right now I’m focused on Devon Still or or Luke Kuechley depending on what happens in FA.

  50. Dukeshire says:

    Wait, there’s a Seagal Cheerleader calendar involved? Hot damn! Welcome NYHawkFan.

  51. piperfeltcher says:

    If a team signs Williams for 18 mill a year they are retarded so maybe Oakland. At 18 mill a year he would be paid twice as much as the next highest paid DE. I see him getting somewhere in the 5 year 60 mill dollar range as he is injury prone and was inconsistant until his contract year. To give 1/6 of your cap to one guy comming off a injury can ruin a team for years.

  52. RDPoulsbo says:

    “If a team signs Williams for 18 mill a year they are retarded so maybe Oakland.”

    See Albert Haynesworth to Washington: 7 years, $100 mil. There’s winning out in a bidding war, and then there’s the Dan Snyders of the world. Al Davis isn’t around to trade 5 draft picks for 3 journeyman QBs anymore.

  53. piperfeltcher says:

    Ok I agree with you there ” If a team signs Williams for 18 mill a year they are retarded so maybe Oakland or Washington” ( corrected )

  54. JazBadAzz says:

    Anthony Spencer LB/DE cowboys
    Robert Mathis DE colts
    Kamerion Wimbley LB/DE raiders
    John Abraham DE falcons
    Cliff Avril DE lions

    These are some names to keep in mind. I know everyone wants Williams but we got to think like JS and PC!

  55. Dukeshire says:

    Williams didn’t miss a start his first 4 seasons.

  56. piperfeltcher says:

    Ya but he has missed 14 games in the past 2 years and played through a hernia most of the season 2 years ago so should have missed more games.

  57. piperfeltcher says:

    Sounds like the Lions are going to let Avril hit free agency he was solid last year and a guy who would fit if Red walks.

  58. RDPoulsbo says:

    I know the Lions want to keep Avril, but they just don’t have the cap room. It’s a lot like the Texans and Williams. Besides, he’s already promised to hold out next season if he is tagged.

    He’s the guy I’d like Seattle to get over Williams. Avril will cost a lot, but not as much as Williams.

  59. Palerydr says:

    Retarded or not that’s what he’s gonna sign for please note that’s up to 18 mil from what limited information I’ve been able to discern. I also would not be unhappy if the Hawks sign Avril however he’s not the talent Williams is and just like others are willing to risk all for Manning I am willing to throw a boatload of dough and take the risk on Williams. So I guess that makes me retarded I can live with that for a top 5 defense that can carry us next year while our QB gets a year to develop.

  60. It’s definitely fun to read so many more opinions! I’d love nothing more than for the newcomers to continue posting wants, likes, needs, etc. It’s fun.

    Dear Mr. Happy,

    Please get me a QB this off-season so I can legitimately have real hope again.

    Thank you.

  61. Palerydr says:

    Dwight Freeny 14 mil and change last year
    Jared Allen a shade under 12 mil last year

    Your numbers are off a bit I do agree it’s a ridiculous amount to spend but it’s what it’s gonna take.

    Duke send Eric an email I bet he really could get you a calender!

  62. RDPoulsbo says:

    I agree with Palerydr that it only takes 1 flaky owner and GM to pull something stupid. It’s happened enough that they made the change in franchise tag price rules so these guys don’t adversely affect other teams when they’d like to apply the tag. But there’s only so many of of them out there. I’d guess Avril’s numbers will be more down to earth after the insane owner blows his wad on Williams.

  63. Don’t forget that Jared Allen signed that contract about three years ago. Prices go up and things get more expensive. With that being said, Williams is going to blow that $12 million/year out of the water, and the Freeney contract too. I’d say it’s gonna be $16-$18 million per year (with a significant portion guaranteed) to get a “free” agent that good (Williams, Mario) to sign with your team. In the case of Allen/Freeney, they are getting paid well but you know they would have gotten more if they had signed on the open market (Allen had been franchised and Freeney signed the extention — in the NFL it’s good to sign for a bit “less” now b/c of the possibility of injury, if that makes any sense?).

  64. I have heard the Raiders don’t have a lot of cap space. And their crazy owner died (no disrespect intended). I don’t think they will be that one crazy team people talk about.

  65. freedom_X says:

    Mario Williams costs more because he’s an all around end that can play three downs. If Seattle can find a scheme fit for less, I’d be all for it. Chris Clemons is a good example of this.

    But it sounds like the Seattle brain trust wants a complete end, the kind of player other teams have to scheme, game plan for and double-team.

    The other guys might be effective or good scheme fits, but I’d rather pay Williams $18 million than Wimbley $11 million. Pay for top quality, or go bargain hunting. Paying the above average player big bucks is not the way I’d go.

    As far as the draft, count me in the “best available athlete” class. If DeCastro is clearly the highest rated player on the board, head and shoulders above the others, Seattle either must draft him, or trade down. Some of Seattle’s best picks were when they were in best available athlete mode. When Seattle had double 1st rounders after the Galloway trade, their two best picks were “best athlete” picks – Steve Hutchinson and Shaun Alexander.

    No team is so loaded that they can’t use more top-notch players, and I feel it’s better to stockpile guys with elite talent than take lesser players at positions of need. If the lesser player ends up being mediocre, that doesn’t help the team much more than having a talented backup. And draft picks are now relatively inexpensive depth.

  66. piperfeltcher says:

    For 18 mill a year I bet the Hawks could sign Flynn and Nicks. I would just as soon keep Red to play run downs and then bring in a pass rush specialist to play on 3rd down. I must admit I value guards more then most ever since the Hawks lowballed Hutch and then turned around after they lost him and gave the money to J. Pederson. I think that move more then any other set the Hawks back.

  67. piperfeltcher says:

    I would also be happy with drafting Decastro and agree you draft the BPA or trade back.

  68. “Pay for top quality, or go bargain hunting.”

    “Paying the above average player big bucks is not the way I’d go.”

    I feel kind of sleezy that I haven’t posted this “common sense” phrase in the past. I think of a guy like Heater, that’s why I’d only go to an “X” dollar amount with him. Sure, I’d like him back, but not at a crazy contract.

    You’ve got your hungry NFL players who want to get to their second contracts and you’ve got your legitimate superstars who deserve top dollar (not that a generic guy like Heater would quit after he got paid, but that’s not the point).

    This is part of the reason Ruskell got canned. He’d make a top 15 safety like D. Grant a top 3 paid safety. If he would have given this money to superstars (in his defense, he tried overpaying for Abraham but he didn’t want to come here and took less to play in Atlanta, which is close to his home, and we were stuck with the pick and took Kelly Jennings), then he’d probably still have a job. I remember there were guys like D. Graham (TE) that he wanted to overpay for too and couldn’t even get them. At least Mr. Happy has the charisma to get people to want to play here (not a dork like Numbskull).

    I’d like to clarify my DeCastro comments… I love him… I love him… I love him… But I might be pissed if we take him over Tannenhill if we haven’t addressed the QB position yet… If we take any OL other than DeCastro (even though I’d rather have a RT), I’m going to be mad (unless something dumb happens like Kalil falling to #12).

    QB/DL… I can’t get any clearer than that, can it?

  69. Oops, bad worded statement… I’m not at all saying that Heater would “quit” if he, specifically, got paid. If anything, I think he’ll be better simply b/c he was wounded last year and continued to play like the warrior he is (I’m just saying “on average”).

  70. Looks like Wimbley may be available. Would he fit our scheme? How will our scheme change if Mr. Happy doesn’t have a gigantic 340lb LDE and we don’t land Williams? Why I am a moron for painting myself in a corner saying I’d never land a so-so player? Hey, I’m human, all instances are different (like sometimes it IS okay to sign a mid-level player IF he fits perfectly into your scheme, in which his production will exceed over-average payment). LOL!

    Hit me with your best shot! Pat Benetar

    I’ve lost all credibility with myself!!! Even though I agree that you mostly don’t pay the average like they are well above average (D. Grant, G. Wistrom, etc.). NOTE: I know it wasn’t Ruskell who paid Wistrom!

  71. piperfeltcher says:

    BobbyK- would you be happy with another year of TJack if JS liked next years batch of QB’s way better then this years?
    I hate the idea of reaching for a QB in the 1st round as that has backfired on us before(Maguire,Stouffer). I think Barkley is better then any of the QB’s this year and would be ok with another year of TJack as long as they have a plan to get a QB next year. This is a strong draft if I was the Hawks I would try to move my 2nd this year for a 1st next year and then use the 2 first’s next year to move up and get Barkley.

  72. I like the idea of Mario Williams… just not sure about pecs. Pecs have hurt us a lot recently (Lofa, T-Jack) We don’t want to be the Seapecs.

    Whatever happened to Foles? Wasn’t he supposed to have been good at some point? Is Tannehill really 12th pick material? Would you take Tannehill in the first over Weeden in the 2nd or 3rd?

    I hate the idea of St. Louis getting all those good picks. I don’t think Brees goes to the Skins as someone suggested. Isn’t it outdoors?

    I could see taking DeCastro if he’s going to be that good.

  73. Palerydr says:

    RDPoulsbo I am in FAVOR of paying up to 18 mil a year to sign Williams with 60% guaranteed. So apparently now I’m also flaky and stoopid :)

  74. piper – Under no circumstances will I be happy with another year of T-Jack if the goal is to win the Super Bowl next season (or the next season after that… nobody can tell me we’ll win the SB in ’13 if we’re starting a rookie, even as good as Barkley).

    Part of the reason I’m okay with DeCastro at #12 is b/c if we don’t have a QB yet then the season really doesn’t matter anyways so why should the rest of us care about BPA vs. need (since the organization doesn’t, based on its actions)?

    If Paul Allen doesn’t care (based on his QB decisions by those he has hired), then why should I? The same can be said of Schneider/Mr. Dopey (his new name, over “Happy,” if he doesnt get “me” a QB this off-season).

    In the grand scheme of things, the OL is NOT a need right now. If we were to have signed a heatlhy Peyton Manning and haven’t landed anyone on the DL in the FA market… then it would be utterly irresponsible and stupid to draft DeCastro over a DL if we’re wanting to win it all next year.

    All I’m saying is that there are variables in all kinds of situations. I’m fine with DeCastro at #12 in some cases and I’m irate about him in some too. It all depends…

  75. freedom_X says:

    I was mainly speaking about a general tone of the thread, though I suppose with your volume of posts, BobbyK, your posts alone might be responsible for the overall tone. :)

    Of course there’s a limit to what Seattle should pay for a player, but if Seattle has to offer a record topping contract to get one of the very best ends in the game (considering all factors such as youth, etc.) I think they need to do it. I’m pretty sure Seattle won’t overpay to the extent of a DeAngelo Williams contract.

    Wimbley seems like a Chris Clemons type to me. I don’t know if there are any top-end other 3-down ends out there. Guys like Mathis and Abraham are 4-6 years older than Mario Williams, and they aren’t as good either.

    So let’s say it’s Williams @18 million or Mathis @12 million. I’d say Williams. If Mathis is $8 million, then I think he may verge on “bargain” category considering his past record of production. But as a pass rusher, you do have to consider whether he benefited from Freeney on the other side drawing the the double-teams.

    I don’t like Abraham at all because he’s older and has a long, long injury history. But if wanted to sign for $10 million/2 years, that would probably be a bargain.

    But consider even if we get these bargain signings – they may not actually accomplish what I think Seattle wants to have. They want to have a game-changing player at end, who will anchor the pass rush, force extra attention on him, and free other players to make plays or cover up for their mistakes.

    It would be kind of like the pass-rushing equivalent of Red Bryant – someone who really impacts the other team’s passing game. Clemons has great production and is a great bargain, but I still don’t think that teams have to scheme around him.

    Since Seattle’s depth is much better than it was a year ago, I think Seattle can afford to go for high quality at a high price for a given position. When the roster was thin, that wasn’t necessarily a smart thing to do.

    I didn’t favor going for Julius Peppers, for example, which is a close analog to the Williams situation. At that time, Seattle’s defense had so many holes, I thought they did need to spread the money around to get more “above average” quality throughout the roster. Now I think they can really reap the rewards from a top-flight DE.

  76. Dump Gallery, draft Decastro = no brainer + save $ + plug and play most any running back.

  77. It’s not as easy as that, IMO. This team, as is, will NEVER win a SB with the current QB ***AND*** pass “rush” situation. Or pass “rush” and QB situation. As you can see, they are one and the same (kind of). We cannot overcome deficiencies in both of those areas. Sure, we can advance deep given the right circumstances, but not as far as we want to go… As much as I love DeCastro, he can’t cure those two ills by the use of a 1st round pick if the other(s) haven’t been addressed.

  78. “DeCastro fills a position of redundancy on this roster. Especially by using a first on the o line, for the third year in a row. ”

    Right, we have bigger priorities. We’ve done a lot of work to shore up the O-line. Time to deal with other areas of the team.

  79. “DeCastro fills a position of redundancy on this roster.”

    Having 2 punters on your team is redundant. Have 8 or 9 quality offensive linemen is depth.

    I really, realllly want to guard against getting my personal expectations up too high for the team but it’s just too much damn fun to do. How sweet would it be to have a healthy Williams on the team?!! A true difference maker. This might sound strange but if we were to sign one of our top FA targets I would like to stack that side of the ball with our 1st round pick in the hopes of having an elite unit(just fantasizing here).

    If we were able to land Flynn, who is still my #1 target, drafting DeCastro to form one of the top(on paper) OL’s would have me salivating. A line that could pass block would free up Miller to do what we signed him to do. No need to mention the benefits for the ground game. After that, at the very least the 2nd and 3rd round pick go toward DL/LB.

    If we were able to land Williams(at 100%) picking up someone like Upshaw or Ingram playing one row back would be tantalizing. Adding Brockers or Still might push that line up toward the very top of the league. Then of course we are looking to separate a QB from the herd in the draft.

    Has anyone had eyes on Jason Jones from Tennessee as a pass rushing DT? He might be another more low key option with some past injury concerns.

  80. NYHawkFan says:

    Snappa: funny stuff–Seapecs… In addition to Tjack and lofa, didn’t Okung also suffer from a torn pec?

    Thanks for the warm welcome guys. And Go Hawks!

  81. Can you imagine how many interceptions our secondary will pull down once we have a legit pass rush?

    And, we’re on the verge of that now…a killer pass rush, brusing d-line, cheetah quick linebacking core, ball hawking safeties who will hurt you, and huge in your face agressive corners.

  82. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    cliff avril
    G GS Comb Total Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FF
    16 16 36 29 7 11.0 0 4 1 4 4.0 4T 1 6

    51 34 17 11.0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 5 14

    if the price is right i say we get this guy, 2 years younger than williams healthy and seams to be still improving

  83. If we don’t address our LB core – Re-sign Heater or equal player – Replace Hill. We will be Philly Bad in the middle and we saw how that KILLED their defense for most of the season.

    I think we can replace one of the 2 from the current roster but we need another and then add depth. Not sold on the depth of this squad and they form the core of any defense. Not flash or bang but the core.

  84. Nobody steps up into the pocket against a team w/Suh. Nobody (at least not consistently). Williams has never had a Suh and is still miles ahead of the guy who has (Avril). Don’t get me wrong, I’d be happy with Avril too. We need something and I’m not saying Avril is all Suh either. Just don’t expect he’s going to be as good without Suh and without having to play for a contract. There are lots of players who don’t give the same effort after they get paid (maybe Williams is too? although he was a #1 pick overall and has made plenty already before the crazy rookie contacts). I’m not saying I know enough about Avril to know if that’s him or not, but, on average, I don’t know that you want to be the team who consistently gives the big contracts to guys on their second ones either.

  85. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    bobby , what if we fraft cousins in the 2nd or weeden in the 3-4th range? would that make you happy?,lol

    i like avril because 1 he isnt comming of an injury 2 we can probably get a much better deal on a guy that is 2 yrs younger.

  86. Seahawks2620 says:

    Bottom line, of course you would get a salary cap friendly contract if you were to sign Avril as opposed to Williams. The point still remains that Avril is not half of the defensive monster that Williams is. Avril brings 11 sacks and some tackles to boot. Williams brings the face of the line, and forces opposing offensive coordinators to leave a TE at the line in order to assist the right tackle from getting murdered just about every down. Example: Seahawks at Bears/Seahawks leaving Miller at the line almost every down to ensure that Jackson isn’t eating the grass for 3 hours. Williams can do so very much more.

  87. Dukeshire says:

    Galena – You do not draft players in the first round for depth. With due respect, the fact that it has to be explained why using the 12th pick overall on an o lineman, with this roster, is redundant (as well as irresponsible) is a little troubling.

  88. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Galena- are you reading my mind? Because 90% of what you are saying I am thinking! Lol.

    It’s funny how last year at this time I was saying that our greatest need was to improve our d-line, however now for some reason it is such an urgency! Who would have thought?

    Upshaw- if we don’t fill our pass rushing needs through free agency!

    Decastro- if we do fill our pass rushing needs through free agency! Despite those who think it’s redundant! Redundant is not bad if it is not done right to begin with! Especially if it’s the greatest lineman since Hutch!

    Richardson- A running back that will make many forget Lynch or Alexander!

    Poe- Dark horse!

    Kuechly- Very intriguing!

    Tannehill- Reach, however has huge upside!

  89. You acquire the guys you believe will win you a superbowl.

  90. Nothing matters if you don’t have a QB. How many teams model their success on Trent Dilfer?

  91. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “Galena – You do not draft players in the first round for depth.”

    Dukeshire- That’s why you draft players like Decastro instead of players like Carpenter! But since you are troubled it would be irresponsible of me to be redundant about this no matter how much it makes sense! Lol.

  92. GeorgiaHawk says:

    BobbyK- your right! Hopefully, when, if, we get that Superbowl caliber qb then all this other positional talk will not be as important.

    It sucks to be Quaterbackless in the NFL.

  93. Dukeshire says:

    Georgia – I understand you are trying to be clever but it comes off as dickish and shallow.

    Let me put it to you this way: Seattle is not investing more more 1st round money into a position they’ve already invested so much into, for good or ill (and that means regardless of what some may think of Carpenter).

  94. tchristensen says:

    The Hawks could have Williams, Suh and Avril on the DL but what would that accomplish with T-Jack manning the helm of the offense? Not much. I agree with BobbyK, Hawks need to address the QB situation!
    The motto for 2013 should be “Sign Flynn And Win!”

  95. I’m not sure how you call Decastro depth when you have 2 star-in-the-making tight ends who primarily block. True there was improvement on the Oline last year but they had nowhere to go but up. They were also assisted by a RB who has no quit in him. I just pray we don’t see another handle like carpisabust. I couldn’t take another ACIB even if he was right. Moving AC took time but JS took out the garbage. I don’t really think he was garbage but he wasn’t NFL caliber. But I digress. Decastro has 10 years + with multiple pro bowls in him. That’s not depth and either is Gallery. We will do fine if we don’t get hung on a free agent larger than $15M per yr. If Williams gets more than that he throws a team out of balance. That said, still a very good talent.

  96. tchristensen–agreed, QB issue is the priority. Just out of curiosity, where are you from? Your name is familiar–probably just a coincidence.

    I like JS’ position on drafting QB’s. I know he hasn’t drafted one, but I like what he said in an interview today. It was something to the effect of, “Yeah, we might take a few QB’S in this draft. Who knows.”

    They have done an amazing job of building depth at most positions. I’m looking forward to our QB situation becoming the same way. I think it will.

  97. If we sign Flynn and Williams, I’ll do backflips, and I won’t complain even if we take a back-up fullback with the 12th pick in the draft!

  98. Well, maybe just a little:)

  99. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    bobby you get one or the other would be my guess which is more important to you?

  100. Dukeshire says:

    tchristensen – For Christ’s sake, already. If it were as simple as just declaring a player entering the draft as a 10+ year starter with “multiple pro bowls” in him, with any level of certainty, there would never be a whiff. Look, this isn’t about whether Decastro will be good or not. This is about what is best for this team, in this draft. Presuming they stay at 12, o line is not what is in this team’s best interest. I fail to believe any objective and honest appraisal of this roster,reveals that o line is even close to the priority (or even secondarily).

  101. oklahoma

    I think the QB position trumps any other in all of sports. I’d like a good QB (who may not be HOF worthy) over a Hall of Fame player at any other position and not think twice about it.

    Even though Williams is clearly the better NFL player at this stage over Flynn (and still young too), I’ll go with the QB simply b/c of the position.

    There are too many examples of QBs helping a team win a championship over a defense being so good that you can win the Super Bowl in spite of its QB play.

    The second best defense I have ever seen in my life (after the ’85 Bears) was the Eagles of the late 80s/early 90s and they never really sniffed a Super Bowl, even though that defense was so dominant.

    Giving big bucks to Williams is “safer” but if you want to go for the gusto, you’d go for the QB you think can get you all the way and that’s why Flynn is the bigger risk, even though the reward is worth it, IMO.

    Obviously, there’s always a price. For example, I wouldn’t give $20 million per year to Flynn or something crazy, but if we did have to overspend, I think you get where my priorities lie.

  102. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Dukeshire- Sounds to me like you are just projecting yourself ( dickish and shallow on to me), Why? who knows, perhaps you just feel entitled to say what you want over what others say, and if you are challenged in any way you act like a little scorned kid who has to resort to name calling to make yourself feel better!

    I hope that’s not the case because most of the time you have alot to offer!

    Now what you say about Seattle not spending more money on a position that they have invested in the last two years makes more sense to me then what you have said so far.
    However (if you have been paying attention) I have pretty much already said that.
    As I have stated before, unfortunatly I doubt that The FO will pick Decastro because they have already used several high picks the last two years on O-lineman!
    And that is the only reason that they would bypass a great talent like Decastro!
    However we all don’t know for sure how this is going to play out. But of course you do, and that’s where I think the root of the problem lie’s.

    That’s straight talk, not clever talk!

  103. Soggybuc says:

    Duke you draft a decastro to start, Gallery can mentor pine and Carp can battle Giac for starter.
    Not saying they should target him but if you are not at least 90% sold any DE are impact now player and you can’t trade down you have to look at him (if he is even there still). like CB you just can not have enough good ones. and for every JPP drafted how many Lojacks are there? that and I see Tannehill needing 3-4 years to reach starter ready. there is only one QB in this draft ready to start day one and we ain’t gettin him.

    Bobby I hate to break you bubble but we are not going to land Flynn either.
    1. Philbin and the same system that let him put up the gaudy numbers to warrant big money.
    2. Miami has been playing QB spaghetti long enough now they will match any offer on table.
    3. It’s MIAMI, whats the average temperature in GB during football season? Seattle? in Miami it’s 70-75 and sunny everyday in Dec. and Jan. winter in Mia. is when the girls stop wearing tight fitting shorts and bikini’s and start wearing tight fitting pants.

  104. fromargentina says:

    i agree with BobbyK and the QB situation but I concerned about some positions, also the obvious like QB or DE… i think we need one WR (Mike Williams may not return), one RB (Forsett may not return), on LB (Hill may not return). What are you think?

    I like WR BJ Cunningham -MSU- at a late round pick, somebody see him play?
    What about the rumors of RB Mike Tolbert? I want a RB with more speed..

  105. Does free agency really not start until March 13th? Agh, the agony. We’re not talking about delayed gratification here, we’re talking about a severe case of __________…. oooohhh, the pain.

  106. Getting firey up in this place today! Take a breath, drink a beer, and enjoy the fact that we’re all rooting for the same team–even if we have our differences in philosphy.

    I for one like the multiple QB option that BobbyK threw out awhile ago. I might counter that by suggesting an entire team made up of linemen. Can you imagine? Lmao. Awesome.

  107. Play in front of sell-outs and the loudest stadium in Seattle.
    Play in front of people disguised as empty seats who don’t care in Miami (and haven’t for over a decade).

    Play in the NFC West.
    Play for 2nd place in the AFC East each year (think Belichick/Brady).

    Why would Flynn automatically want to play for the Dolphins again? I’m sure I’m being a homer (even though I’ve never lived in the Pacific NW) but if I’m him, I’d take Seattle in a heartbeat if the team showed serious interest.

  108. Dukeshire says:

    Georgia – I in no way feel like I can just say whatever I want. Trust me, I actually put thought into what I put on this blog. And generally, when I feel as though what I say might offend someone, I preface it with, with due respect, or, if I may, or, IMO, and so forth. Moreover, I didn’t call you any names, I characterized what you said as shallow and dickish. And I also like to be challenged with intelligent and insightful posts. But you are the one who tried to be sarcastic, and it rubbed me the wrong way considering you make a habit of it (lately). If you don’t like my posts, contributions, or whatever, feel free to skip them. But trust me, I do my best to raise the bar here.

  109. Soggybuc says:

    Duke, Georgia you two place nice now!
    I ‘ll see if i can find some highlight on BJ Cunningham but if it’s speed your looking for Tolbert is anything but that, we dont need speed we just need two more Marshawns.
    I think Hill’s situation makes keeping heater a priority. Malcom might be ready to step up and replace Hill but is Farwell good enough start after we have to move KJ to mike?

  110. GeorgiaHawk says:

    fromargentina- Maybe we will get lucky and Richardson will fall to us in the first round.
    He is one of the best RBs to come out of College in a while.

  111. Soggybuc says:

    Bobby you know where Flynn’s hometown is? i know he is a LSU cat and guys from warm weather states tend to like playing there as well. most Hawks dont live here year round and head south after the season.

  112. Cornutt – Think of this…

    Every play is in shotgun formation. All we ever do is snap the ball to Lynch. M. Robinson, a former college QB, is his blocking FB.

    We run an offensive line of:

    LT — Okung
    Left Outside Guard — Carpenter
    Left Inside Guard — Gallery
    Center — Unger
    Right Inside Guard — DeCastro
    Right Outside Guar — McQuistan
    RT — Breno

    Then we run double-TE sets. Every team in the NFL has invested in DBs. Well, against us, they are worthless. All we do his snap the ball to Lynch and he runs it (or he or Robsinson throw it to a TE) and we run total smash mouth football. No team, not even the Giants has enough depth to handle getting hammered by our OL. And, with the Giants, who cares, we aren’t going to throw it anyways so we’ll run over their pass rushers and kick their butts!

    We could release all our QBs and sign J-Stew, as our RBs are going to need to run the ball 60-80 times per game (Lynch, J-Stew, Leon, and possibly another).

    We get rid of all our WRs except Obo b/c he’s good on ST.


  113. Dukeshire says:

    Flynn’s from Texas. But fortunately he’s had a few years to acclimate to Wisconsin weather, so Seattle shouldn’t shake him up.

  114. Soggy – Yes. I know that. If I’m a batter and know that 1/8 of my season is going to be at-bats against King Felix or Roy Halladay, I’m pretty sure that I’d rather go to a place where I’m going to get to face the crappy pitching more often than not. I have been to home games for the Seahawks and Dolphins so I know what I’m talking about with respect to the home town crowd. Seattle is a no-brainer.

  115. Soggybuc says:

    Argentina BJ seems like a great get but only in later rounds, honestly i was more impressed watching Cousins throws in his highlight reel than was watching him catch. if there is a an Andy Dalton sleeper pick in this draft it’s Cousins.

  116. Soggybuc says:

    I know how great Seattle is. as a city and place to live as well as the best fans around. sadly a lot of people don’t see it that way.
    Harbaulls would roll out a line set like that when he was at Stanford, was fun to watch.

  117. You can bet the Seattle people, when recruiting players (Mr. Happy), are going to tell Flynn (if they are interested in him) about the 12th Man versus all of the empty seats in Miami. Even if Flynn hadn’t looked at it that way before, he would then. The Miami people can’t hide the fact that their fans suck and don’t care. Heck, I remember Qwest (then) being louder than heck and announcers talking about it in the years where we were 4-12 and 5-11. I remember Dolphin fans a few years back wearing paper bags over their heads. If I’ve got a brain in my head, I know where I’d rather be!

  118. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Dukeshire- disagreeing with someones post doesn’t mean that I don’t like the poster.
    What is it exactly that rubs you the wrong way about me?

    I think I have agreed with you on many occasions, in fact if you look back at todays thread I think that you will find something along the lines of me agreeing with you about being giddy over the possibility of landing Mario williams.
    I also remember my first post this morning in response to BobbyK, which for some strange reason you felt compelled to answer to me for him, which is a habit of yours.

    Now from my experience usually when someone starts a comment with due respect it means they are about to try and disrespect you. Lol.

    Not trying in your words to be clever, however many of us here have strong opinions about the way they think things should be done in Seahawk land, and I respect that, however I won’t always agree. And if it doesn’t make you feel all warm and fuzzy I can’t help you there.

    Now I know you put alot of thought and effort on this blog and it wouldn’t be the same here without you, and frankly you have away about you at times of getting under peoples skin. And that’s a good thing sometimes, it lights a fire and gets a conversation going.

    One thing I do admire about you though is that you are a persistent SOB. LOL.

    Bottom line- We are all Seahawk fans here!

  119. Dukeshire says:

    I thought my post was pretty clear and self explainatory. And quite frankly, I don’t have the desire (or energy) to go over it again. Let me just say however; you don’t need to read into what I say. That is, if I say “with due respect” that’s not a euphamism for “I’m going to disrespect you”. I say things like that with sincerity, so people aren’t offended or at least know that’s not my intention, as I’m disagreeing with them.

  120. Dukeshire says:

    Answered for Bobby… The one where I prefaced it by saying “Bobby can certainly speak for himself…” you’re right, that was my mistake. But, so long as Ive been here, there are no private conversations and thats a fairly common thing to happen. Also, I thought what I said was awfully benign.

  121. @GeorgiaHawk

    I probably am reading your mind but with my brain cloud covering 75% of my grey matter only 90% of your conscious thoughts are coming through clearly. I immediately post them of course. Sometimes I’m just ahead of you but usually a few minutes behind.


    Duke for poop’s sake everyone is glad you are here and these are not personal attacks. I will simply re-post what got us here:

    “And look, with due respect to everyone, how can anyone rationalize drafting another o lineman in the first, again this year? With all the more pressing needs on this roster, I find that logic absolutely absurd. To me, its such short sighted thinking. (Again, no disrespect intended.)”

    If that O lineman is the highest impact player that we can possibly get when we pick(meaning he will have a greater positive impact on the team than any other player left on the board), to write him off outright seems more short sighted than at least considering him as an option. Does that make any sense?

    I am not saying TO pick DeCastro but that he might be that guy . So if my logic of wanting the highest impact player that we can get when we pick that gives us the best chance of winning a superbowl is absurd then I’m totally cool with being absurd.

    I assume also that you have seen “Talladega Nights”?

    Will Ferrell: … woah woah, I said with all due respect …
    Greg Germann: … no, that doesn’t mean you get to say whatever you want to say to me …
    Will Ferrell: … sure, sure as heck does …
    Greg Germann: … no no, it doesn’t mean that …
    Will Ferrell: … its in the Geneva Convention, look it up …

  122. I’ve been “guilty” plenty of times for giving my two cents concerning a question that I wasn’t asked. I don’t mean it to be rude, we’re all talking about the Seahawks. I don’t think that’s a big deal. If one of you ask the other a question, I could see throwing my nickel out there, and not meaning for it to be rude.

    One player I was sold on in the past was Ki-Jana Carter. I “knew” he’d be a stud. There was no way around it. I love DeCastro, but there’s also the Ki-Jana Carter aspect with him. As much as we like him, there are no guarantees. Yeah, sure, if I had to bet a million dollars (which I don’t have on the non-QB player from this draft), I’d bet mine on DeCastro. But that doesn’t mean he’s guaranteed to be better than a player at a more important position that we may need to make a run in ’12, although as I’ve said plenty, I don’t think it matters what position we draft in the 1st round if we don’t get a QB. The season isn’t going to matter anyways (again).

  123. piperfeltcher says:

    Jackie Moon: Everybody panic! Oh my God, there’s a bear loose in the coliseum! There will be no refunds! Your refund will be escaping this deathtrap with your life! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love the tender meat! Cover your sodas! Dewie loves sugar!

  124. piperfeltcher says:

    Two things held Ki-Jana Carter back in his career his knee’s and he was drafted by the Bengals other then those 2 things he would have been a star.
    Must admit I really liked Leinert when he came out of USC and his only excuse was to many cheerleaders in the hot tub.

  125. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    duke all due respect but how the hell is an OL that had the LT,RG,RT on IR and the LG is playing old and slow we gave up 51 sacks”51″ thats not a stable OL. no matter who we get at QB or DE/DT the team will most likely need a year or two to gel and be ready to compete at a superbowl level. thats not saying that they dont go 10-6 next year and make the playoffs.
    if we win the flynn sweepstakes i say decastro becomes a priority in the first and the second and beyond can be a run on defense. if we get him we need to keep him upright and alive.

  126. Soggybuc says:

    Bobby i love ya man but your letting your fervor and passion as a Hawk fan cloud yer thinking.
    Tier 1 FA’s (which deserved or not) is how Flynn will get courted just dont take things like the crowd into mind, hell Mora all but dropped to his knees and blew Brandon Marshall and who knows what happened behind closed doors. and he still choose Miami over Seattle. it had nothing to do with Miami being a better team either because they were not.
    Everyone bitches that Ruskell over paid for FA’s but no one ever stops to consider that maybe he had to. I love Seattle and think it is the greatest place on Earth, but not everyone does.

  127. My #1 off season hope is still to sign Flynn, recognizing that it could be a huge bust that wastes a boat load of cash and cap space. If he goes elsewhere then my #1 hope will have to reluctantly change.

    When it comes to free agency expect the worst! Then when things are only really bad they will seem relatively good!

  128. Dukeshire says:

    Galena – “Alright, tough love it is. Listen here, idiot…!”

    Lol! I have seen Taladega Nights. And despite Ricky Bobby’s good sense, I’m genuinely trying to not be condesending with that.

    hawkfaninoaklahoma – I agree they are a couple seasons away. But they have the youngest line in the NFL last season… Oh hell, I’ve made my point ad nauseam. I believe they are talented and deep on the line and it’s not a unit worthy of another 1st round selection.

  129. Carroll wanted Marshall. No doubt about it (Mora had been fired). At that time, the Hawks had been a 5-11 team and coming off of a 4-12 season the year before. We certainly weren’t a team supposedly on the rise. Now, the ‘Hawks are clearly a team on the upswing. And Marshall is from Florida. Flynn may be from the South (Texas) but Miami isn’t exactly a quick couple of hour drive from his home either. We’ll see…

  130. Dukeshire says:

    Also, tip-o-the cap to piperfeltcher for the first ever Semi-Pro reference in this blogs history. Lol! Incredible.

  131. We all want the same thing. More florescent green on the jerseys. And heck, throw in a Seahawks Superbowl Victory for good measure.

  132. Dukeshire says:

    Don’t even get us started on the green B.S.

  133. piperfeltcher says:

    I love the Green uni’s I use them exclusivly in Madden.

  134. GeorgiaHawk says:

    It will be fun to see who, and how many players we draft out of this list.
    My guess is usually wrong so I think for this year ( in the next few days ) I will pick five players I like in each round. Perhaps then I will get one right. Lol.

    Of course free agency will determine who we pick, so instead of putting the cart before the horse I will revise my selections after free agency.

  135. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Here is a good run down on the 2012 NFL free agents.

    Who will we sign? And who will we let walk?

  136. Lime Green Jersey Tops!!!

  137. BobbyK–

    “Cornutt – Think of this…”

    I LIKE IT!!!! LMAO

  138. It’s not “absurd” to draft an OL in the first round. It’s an opinion if done and school of thought like need vs. BPA that would be behind it.
    I would not do it this year. This year it’s the DL and LB crew that are in the crosshairs. Multiple picks 1-2.

    OL in FA would be reasonable and Breno may have been just a start.

  139. Dukeshire says:

    I don’t k know that anyone said, or meant to imply, that it’s absurd to draft an OL in the first. (If someone did, I missed it.) But in context of this roster, I would argue that it is.

  140. HawkyHann says:

    If Matt Flynn’s former coach from Green Bay, now the head coach at Miami, does not go after Flynn in a rebuilding process, what does that say about Flynn? I look at this as, if he doesn’t go to Miami, buyer beware. I mean they’re rebuilding, really need a QB.

    Watch his stock fall if he is not a Dolphin.

  141. RDPoulsbo says:

    There are currently 3 1st round picks, a 2nd and a 3rd round pick on the o-line, and 4 of them have less than 2 years of starts under their belts. The talent is there, but it needs to be developed. Adding another o-line 1st round is just knee-jerk to me. Give them time gain experience. Adding another rookie lineman, doesn’t help with the experience or bring an impact to the team’s win column over what they currently have now.

    If DeCastro is there and other teams want him, it would be far better to trade down than to draft him.

  142. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    bobby i know you want a QB what is the price youre happy for flynn i think 14-15 million would get him. is he worth that i the front office believes he the QB for this team i say pay whatever it takes.
    another possibility is to bring in jason cambell to compete and draft a qb day 2. now i am not saying cambell is the answer but bringing him in for camp may not be a bad idea. may even be an upgrade over Tj.

  143. JazBadAzz says:

    T.Jack played well considering what he had to deal with!

    Rookie OL

    Under achieving receivers

    Torn Pectoral

    Fans chanting for Charlie

    I hope he proves everyone wrong and takes us to the promise land!

  144. Palerydr says:

    No way I pay that much for an unproven FA QB I go as high as 10 maybe 12 mil a year with 60% guaranteed. I for one don’t want to spend that money on Flynn anyway. As for Jason Campbell I would put him in the rent a QB category. I do see a scenario where they bring in a veteran QB it’s all speculation until FA ends Grrrrr.

  145. ryanryan says:

    @jaz – i’m not sure i agree that he played ‘well’…he played up to his ability which is fair at best. his strong suit is not sitting in the pocket reading the defense and taking what they give him. he is better suited for running for his life and throwing to whomever breaks out of their route and gets open while he is scrambling.

    no doubt he is tough though, and to me he is good enough not to overpay in FA or reach in the draft for his replacement…who knows, in 2 years Portis may be good enough to take his spot and we’ll be fine. in the mean time, I think we should stay the course and let the FO build the team as they have been doing…which seems like what you are saying, so i think we agree.

    oh – and it’s ‘promised land’… ;)

    i still wouldn’t mind drafting castro in the first round, we had a lot of injuries to the line last year and while the reserves played well at the end of the year I am worried that they were ‘playing out of their asses’ rather than were as good they appeared. I would rather take castro than tannehill (sp?), to me it is a safer pick at 12th…i’m conservative in that way.

    now – that said (about castro), I’m not dumb enough to think that we do not need major help at LB and DL…I just think that if they don’t like what they see at the 12th spot in those categories and DO really like castro, I trust them to find what we need in the later rounds for DL LB…see Sherman, Baldwin, Wright. in that vein, I also trust them to find OL depth later in the draft too…


    i think eric posted something to the effect that some of the talk at the combine was about our big corners and that our FO has some other teams changing their ideas about how to fill their roster based on our success…that tickled my fancy.

  146. JazBadAzz says:

    @ryanryan- when I say well,= descent.

    We do need competion at QB but we are not desperate! Give the man a chance with a fair shot. He pisses me off too but not more than Hasselbeck in the FETAL POSITION! How soon you guys forget!

    I was the one that said that about our secondary, Eric is good but he cant have all the credit geez! lol

  147. chuck_easton says:


    Since we have thoroughly beaten more than a couple of dead horses regarding QB’s and OL/DL debate, let’s move on to another topic.

    Not really a debate here, more an observation.

    Franchise tags must be applied by Monday. Some teams have already used theirs.

    So, our obvious choice is Lynch, unless he signs a long term deal this weekend.

    My guess is it’s in Lynch’s best interest to let the team apply the tag. Then he and his agent have time to wait and see what happens with Forte and Ray Rice. If they sign LTD’s then the price is set for Lynch. His agent probably doesn’t want to be the one setting the going asking price for an upper level RB in this year’s market.

  148. GeorgiaHawk says:

    ryanryan- How true when say that we can trust the FO to fill needs in the later rounds.
    They have certainly proven that in the last two years!

    Because of that I wouldn’t be at all disappointed if they move down to aquire more picks. Especially if that stud D-Lineman or Linebacker isn’t there at #12.

  149. JazBadAzz says:

    Trade back and pick up Donta Hightower! Yeah Baby!!!

  150. JazBadAzz says:

    Drew Brees talks are breaking down…I hope Micjey Loomis screw this up so the SEAHWAKS can swoop in a nab him!

    Only 6ft qb I will ever want!

  151. JazBadAzz says:


  152. GeorgiaHawk says:

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out with Manning, that’s for sure!

  153. RDPoulsbo says:

    “Since we have thoroughly beaten more than a couple of dead horses regarding QB’s and OL/DL debate, let’s move on to another topic.”

    True, but that’s because we’re trying to make glue here.

  154. “Since we have thoroughly beaten more than a couple of dead horses regarding QB’s and OL/DL debate, let’s move on to another topic.”

    Franchise Lynch. Next topic, please.

    Duke…stick to talking about football and quit the petty arguing and name calling…you’ve always been above that.

  155. tchristensen says:

    Cornutt, I grew up in Maple Valley but now live in Tucson, AZ. I’ve been following the hawks since their inception.

    Does anyone else worry about the lack of our free agent signings? Could possibly mean the FO is holding off until they make a play for Flynn, Avril, Williams….

  156. Dukeshire says:

    Audible – I didn’t call anyone any names. Goodness sakes…

  157. JazBadAzz says:

    @tchristensen- teah I worried big time…I want Carlson back as much as Lynch!

  158. Ah, ok. Wrong tchristensen I guess. Cheers!

  159. “Georgia – I understand you are trying to be clever but it comes off as dickish and shallow.”

    “Audible – I didn’t call anyone any names. Goodness sakes… “

  160. Dukeshire says:

    I characterized what he said as dickish and shallow. Had I said “you come off…” then that would be calling him those names. But I said “it comes off…”. “it” is what he said, not his self. That’s a significant distinction and a big difference.

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