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Morning links: Looking for edge rushers

Post by Eric Williams on Feb. 26, 2012 at 10:56 am with 66 Comments »
February 26, 2012 10:56 am

Rob Rang of NFLDraftScout.com takes a closer look at the diversity of edge rushers in this year’s draft.

With players like North Carolina’s Quinton Coples, South Carolina’s Melvin Ingram and Alabama’s Courtney Upshaw, teams will have to figure out what type of player in terms of size, athleticism and speed best fits their needs defensively.

Rang: It’s not always physical dimensions teams are worried about when scouring for the NFL’s next great pass rusher, but whether a prospect measures up when it comes to production.

“I think everybody has the same characteristics for pass rushers,” said Giants GM Jerry Reese. “You want guys who are big and long and fast and powerful. You want everything as a personnel guy but if a guy is big and has got long arms, that helps. If he has speed off the end, that helps. Power to rush up the middle. Your pass rushers are different breeds. Good athletes. We like pass rushers and we look for them.”

Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk.com has a report that the Seahawks and Marshawn Lynch are not close to striking a deal, as has been previously reported. No surprise here. The two sides are still taking with the hopes of getting something done in the next week. And if not, Lynch will be franchised.

Danny O’Neil of the Seattle Times writes about Boise State’s Kellen Moore, who’s trying to prove that he can be successful in the NFL.

Clare Farnsworth of Seahawks.com wonders if Seattle will select Alabama running back Trent Richardson if he’s available when the team selects at No. 12, even though Marshawn Lynch likely will be back.

ESPN’s Mike Sando considers how Penn State defensive tackle Devon Still would fit in with Seattle, providing some versatility.

By the way, RG3 is fast. He ran an unofficial time of 4.38 in the 40-yard dash this morning. Check out the video link here. Andrew Luck can move too. He ran a 4.59 in the 40.

Don Banks of Sports Illustrated writes that Illinois defensive end Whitney Mercilus has drawn comparisons to Jason Pierre-Paul.

Clark Judge of CBS Sports says Michael Brockers of LSU has a similar skill set to Jason Pierre-Paul.

Here’s 40-yard times for the offensive line and tight ends.

Terrell Owens catches three touchdowns in his first game with the Allen Wranglers of the Indoor Football League.

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  1. JazBadAzz says:

    Robert Turbin looks the part, I can tell some of these guys will make me think twice after watching the 40 and the bench.
    4.44 (unofficial) and 28 reps @ 225

    I don’t expect Lynch to make a move until Rice and Forte get closer to their deals.

  2. JazBadAzz says:

    I’m thinking we should trade back all of a sudden a get some more 2nd rd picks. I’m getting all school girl gitty about the different possibilties!

    Trent Richardson
    Doug Martin
    Robert Turbin

    Micheal Brockers
    Whitney Mercilus
    Melvin Imgram
    Courtney Upshaw
    Quenton Coples

    Like Jerry Jones said, I’ll trade in my whole team and just let me pick another one from all these guys! I totally understand what he means!

  3. Soggybuc says:

    Doug Martin from Boise state looks dang impressive. i wonder if he’ll make far in the 3rd. Turbin is huge! guy looks more like a LB or FB.
    Fun watching the 40 and all but I really think they can come up with more football related drills. take RB for instance a better test would be the “how dumb are you” drill. hand them a ball and have them run 10 yards into brick wall as fast as they can. after you wake them back do it again. then coaches can go ” WOW, that kid really lacks the common sense not to keep trying to run straight at Patrick Willis. lets take him in the second round”

  4. SandpointHawk says:

    Soggybuc, I’m laughing so hard. That’s great….

  5. Dukeshire says:

    The ‘Hawks and Lynch may or may not be close, but I put no stock into anything Mike Florio says. The next time he’s accurate will likely be the first.

    Brockers is a stud, and I’d be happy if he fell to Seattle. But as young (still filling out) and strong as he is, I see him filling a 3-tech need, rather than a strong side DE. But even being compared to a freak athlete like Pierre-Paul is good company.

  6. Dukeshire says:

    “WOW, that kid really lacks the common sense not to keep trying to run straight at Patrick Willis. lets take him in the second round”

    Lol!

  7. JazBadAzz says:

    Does anyone remeber when JPP was coming out and all they talked about was his youth, limited playing time at usf and the 10+ back flips he did for hius size? He turn out pretty good, but I’m sure those other pass rush specialist make it easier for him. No double teams every down must be nice!

  8. I’d watch more of the combine if there were “how dumb are you” drills!
    lol

  9. Dukeshire says:

    While JPP and Brockers are the same height, and both have super long arms, Brockers outweighs him by nearly 45lbs. It’s an odd comparison, to me. By just making the comparison, Judge is implying (although he tries to back track a bit in his article) that Brockers too would make an elite edge rusher. I disagree. Interior pass rushers are the rarest of players in the NFL, and this is what Brockers can become. So in that regard, I do not see a “similar skill set”. The only thing they seem to have in common are height and long arms.

  10. Dukeshire says:

    Holy sh*t! That’s a king’s ransom. The last god damn thing I want to see, is a division rival getting their mitts on that many high picks.

    If that’s true, and their willing to give that up for #2, the Colts must have made it clear, there not giving up Luck.

  11. Hawksince77 says:

    That’s actually good news about what Washington will pay for RGIII. That means that if Flynn goes to Miami, Seattle will likely have their pick of QB in the third round (after Luck and RGIII).

    Every other team already has a top starter, or has invested heavily (Minnisota, Jags, for instance) in a QB that can’t be certain to upgrade with Tannehill, say.

  12. Hawksince77 says:

    Or alternatively, Flynn goes to the Browns and Manning to Miami.

    Same effect.

  13. Since we pick behind the Redskins, you know darn well that it’d take quite a bit more than our 1-2-3 this year and #1 next year too. No thanks!

    Signing Flynn seems to be the way to go! He’ll cost zero draft picks and we can go get some additional help with all the picks we kept.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82734029/article/report-packers-wont-use-tag-to-set-up-trade-of-flynn-?module=HP11_headline_stack

    Looks like Peyton Manning keeps getting better as well.

    http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/02/25/colts-only-medical-staff-can-watch-manning-before-march-8/?module=HP11_headline_stack

  14. Wrong article about Manning throwing the ball better! Can’t remember where I just read that! Dang!

  15. Dukeshire says:

    No worries, Bobby, that report is out there in several places.

    Signing Flynn will cost a ton. If that’s the market to move up in this draft, Flynn’s guaranteed money will be ridiculous. Perhaps I’m reading too much into all this, but at this point, it feels like teams see there are 4 QBs in this “draft”: Luck, Griffin, Flynn, and Manning. Everyone else is a project or at least, will have no immediate impact. If Seattle wants one of those 4, they’ll have to pay through the nose. No way around it.

  16. JazBadAzz says:

    I’m glad we have a descent enough QB! I would be pissed to pay that much garuntee to Flynn and he is unproven over an extended amount of time. Just look at the cards and chiefs if you think I’m crazy. I can go as far to say the texans over payed for Shaub…better wake up people!

  17. Soggybuc says:

    Just watched RG3 on set with Eisen, Mayock and Kurt Warner and I have to admit I’m flat out in LOVE! can any of you find anything negative with this young man? on or off the field?
    The price will be steep but I can not get past the feeling this guy is going to live in rarefied air for the next 12-15 years.
    I found it interesting when asked if RG had talked to Seattle in Indy and when he said no Mayock’s response was ” thats who’s moving up for ya”

  18. JazBadAzz says:

    I was hoping Nick Perry would slide to the second round for us but with 35 reps on the bench, he just made that pretty damn impossible!

  19. Dukeshire says:

    Soggy – Is that what Mayock said? Lol. Here’s hoping…

  20. If we’ve got to pay through the nose, I’d rather do it via “free” agency, rather than giving up the picks. When you’ve got one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL, something needs to be done.

  21. Dukeshire says:

    What’s your guess on Flynn’s guaranteed money? It’s got to be in the $50+ range, right? Am I miss reading this whole QB market?

  22. Sarcasticus says:

    Hill out of GT looked great today. I loved watching him catch the ball out in front with his hands. It looked like Velcro. Great size and speed combination that could sneak in to the upper rounds despite only a few catches in college.
    I saw Perry’s number on the bench press on the ticker and thought simultaneously “he is stronger than I thought” and “if he runs as well as I think he can, the Seahawks may have no shot at him”.

  23. Sarcasticus says:

    Mayock was referring to when Cutler was taken by Shannahan despite never interviewing him or showing interest.

  24. JazBadAzz says:

    Its hilarious to read people say Weeden is to old, Kurt Warner was packing grocery and came in @ 27 yrs old sat a season then all he did was become a HOF QB! LMAO!

    Weeden has been a pro already, its not like he had a 9 to 5, draft the kid in the 2nd and let’s stop this none sense talk! Build the franchise the right way!

    Don’t waste the club money that would put resigning our guys in jeopardy!
    Don’t mortgage the draft and delay our success…those guys are not gurantees not to bust! Like JS said its to risky to set your franchise back for years!

  25. Dukeshire says:

    Sarcasticus – But what would that have to do with Seattle and Griffin? I didn’t see the interview, so I’m confused.

  26. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    jaz, watched weeden make 30 yard passes with almost no effort. been saying he would be a good pick up in second if he is there.

  27. JazBadAzz says:

    Hawkfaninoklahon- I believe its the best move. Low risk, high reward! The acrruracy is not what I like but it will return quickly with fulltime training. His short baseball career had somewhat of an weird effect on his precision.

    This could be a blessing in disguise…if we land him 2nd rd!

  28. Here is the Mayock comment Soggybuc referred to…

    http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/02/26/mayock-browns-among-those-who-wanted-rgiii-to-throw/

    Mayock certainly appeared to be joking, and did reference the Shannahan/Cutler situation from a couple of years ago.

  29. Okay… I don’t really know if I believe this, but… I’d be willing for Hawks to trade draft picks 1,2,3 this year and 1 next year for RGIII. If we sign some good free agents and do well in the second half of the draft and signing undrafted guys, with the team we currently have, I think we could take the loss without sacrificing too much. The sticker, though, is that St. Louis would be getting those choices, but you could argue again that St. Louis will be getting the choices anyway, so it doesn’t matter that they’d come from us.

    Do you believe Fisher when he says they’re sticking with Bradford? If you traded, as above, for RGIII, would you make the same trade for Bradford?

  30. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I thought that Weeden out played Luck in their bowl game. And I thought that Price out played the Baylor qb in their bowl game!

    With that being said I wouldn’t rule out Weeden just because of his age!
    Our FO will be looking at all the qb options available to us this year, so I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we were to draft Weeden!

    Hopefully in the second round after Decastro!

  31. Dukeshire says:

    Snappa – You don’t believe it, but you’d be willing to do it? Lol. (That is the most honest thing I’ve read about this QB situation, to date.)

    The other thing here is: there’s a salary cap! You can’t sign all these high priced FAs and trade the farm to get a second overall.

    TJ – Thanks…

  32. the draft cant come soon enuff

    i like the runback from alab i know we dont need him but would be fun to have

  33. Sarcasticus says:

    Rich Eisen was running down the list of teams believed to be in need of a quarterback and asking RGIII if he had had meetings with them yet. He had met with them all except the Seahawks. That is when Mayock said that must mean Carroll is in on him like Shanahan was with Cutler. It was all tongue in cheek.

  34. Can’t see the rams giving their division rival the keys to RG3 — too damn bad, what an amazing prospect. 4.38? That’s unbelievable.

    Luck ran a great time too, but it’s hard not to be blown away by Griffin. Still, QB is the trickiest position to predict.

  35. Dukeshire says:

    Griffin’s 40 (4.41 officially) shouldn’t be a surprise. He was a Texas St track champion. But how about Luck with a higher vertical, than Griffin? Luck is an amazing athlete in his own right.

  36. Dukeshire- I recalled RGIII’s vertical was 39 and Luck’s vertical was 36. Luck’s broad jump was 10’4″, 4″ more than RGIII.

  37. True enough re Luck. Just crazy to see a QB who everyone says can also throw, running like the quickest of WR’s and CB’s.

    One things for sure – the Rams just got free money (picks) today . . .

  38. Dukeshire says:

    dacmike – Right you are. Thanks for the correction.

  39. Simple question, would you draft RG3 before Bradford If you were StL.

  40. ryanryan says:

    LEROY HILL ARRESTED FOR WEED FRIDAY NIGHT WHERE I WORK IN ATLANTA…THEY HAVE BEEN DOING RANDOM WALK THROUGHS WITH THE POLICE DUE TO SMELLING WEED IN COMMON LOBBIES…THEY SMELLED IT, CALLED IN DOGS, GOT A WARRANT AND HIM AND THE LADY FRIEND HE HAD IN HIS CONDO WERE BOTH ARRESTED…OOPS!

  41. JazBadAzz says:

    Ryanryan-that’s sad news if he is indeed suffering from addiction. Hope he can get some help and get his habit under control.

  42. ryanryan says:

    one step forward, two steps back…he had such a good year too.

  43. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Wouldn’t that be great if we sign Flynn, draft Brockers in the first, and somehow ( move up ) to get Stephen Hill, who is 6′-4″, runs a 4.36 40, and averaged 29.3 yards per catch.

    http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/35001399

  44. RDPoulsbo says:

    There are reports that the Redskins are offering their 1st, 2nd and 3rd this year plus their 1st next year to the Rams for the #2 pick to draft RG3. That’s insane if true, but that’s what tells you there’s a huge bidding war going on that probably involves a couple teams willing to give away the house to get him.

  45. HawkfaninMT says:

    Hill will still be there in the 2nd if the hawks want him IMO. Great combine doesn’t trump Blackmon, Floyd, and Wright amazing on the field performances

  46. HawkfaninMT says:

    Believe no reports this time of year!

  47. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I like this mock draft site because of all the links it provides.

    http://thenfldraftguru.blogspot.com/2012/02/2012-nfl-mock-draft-pre-nfl-scouting.html

  48. RDPoulsbo says:

    I live in DC now, and the various sports reporters say the Redskins offer is from a credible source anyway. While I wouldn’t call close to a hard report, that’s about what they’d have to give up to overcome Cleveland’s 2 1st round picks. There certainly isn’t any attempt to lowball offers and it sounds like something Dan Snyder would do. The other reporters out there are questioning whether that’s wise and saying there’s probably more value in Tannehill where they sit than that offer.

    Make no mistake though, Washington is desperate for a QB, much more than Seattle. If anything, it’s something to watch to see if Tannehill’s draft stock starts shooting up.

  49. I have heard enough about inconsistant effort and production that I would pass on Coples.

    I would be more interested in dropping down abit in the 1st round or using our 2nd round pick to get Mercilus Whitney or Vinny Curry (but I doubt they are there when we pick in the 2nd).

  50. “Make no mistake though, Washington is desperate for a QB, much more than Seattle. If anything, it’s something to watch to see if Tannehill’s draft stock starts shooting up.”

    Yeah, they have had a very long dry spell at the position, and they have an owner willing to make desperate moves. Feels like they’re the best best to put together a package for RG3. What a great situation to fall into the lap of a new coach for the Rams (apart fromt the general terribleness of the team itself, that is . . .)

  51. Did anyone see Coples on the field with Mooch and Sapp? Guy doesn’t sound like one I would like on my team, I’m a Tar Heel fan and all, but the attitude and the stature in that quick clip really turned me off.

  52. GeorgiaHawk says:

    If I had to choose between Coples and Decastro it would be Decastro hands down, despite our bigger perceived need on the d-line.

    This is from John Czarnecki of Fox sports-

    Two coaches who interviewed Stanford’s David DeCastro said the player was able to walk up to the white board and diagram offensive plays and explain the offense as well as Andrew Luck.

    “It was amazing to watch him talk about the complexities of their offense and how he knew Luck would check out of a certain play if the safety was down in the box,” a coach told me.

  53. Hey, I’m good with a DeCastro pick at 12. Brockers or Still are ok picks at 12 also.

    I think the really big question is whether the Seahawks will go for Tannehill at 12.

  54. RDPoulsbo says:

    I like DeCastro, but given the current lineup I don’t see much impact, especially if they move forward with Carp at LG. The more that’s written about Coples, the less it seems people like him. He’s going to need some great interviews if he wants to go in the top half of the draft.

    Right now, I’m liking Still at #12.

  55. Dukeshire says:

    How has the Hill arrest not been confirmed yet? (Presuming it’s true, of course.)

  56. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Unfortunately I don’t think Brockers will be there at 12. And if he, Upshaw and still are gone, before we pick, then I hope we do take Decastro. And hopefully KC doesn’t sneek in and get him at 11, after winning the coin toss. That would be a double blow, imo.

  57. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I haven’t seen or heard anything regarding Hill being arrested here in Atlanta, or around Atlanta.

  58. I think there is a decent chance that Carpenter is on PUP to start the season. Also, we haven’t re-signed McQuistan. Can’t have enough o-line depth, so in my view Decastro would not be a waste.

    I’m not sure that any of the DE’s make sense at 12. 12 is too early for Mercilus or Curry, but they will be long gone by the time we pick in the 2nd.

    Best chance for good value at 12 would be Tannehill (if we decide he is the right guy) or one of the DT’s.

    Or (what the heck) Trent Richardson is huge value if he is still hanging around at 12.

  59. I’m all in for De Castro at #12. It might not be flashy, but we’ll have the best left side in football for the next decade. His football smarts will make the entire OL that much better.

    I’m with BobbyK and think we need to pull the trigger on Flynn in FA.

    Let’s turn our boys in FO loose on this draft class with the rest of our picks…damn, they turn 2nd day of the draft into something really special.

  60. GeorgiaHawk says:

    That’s what I like most about our FO, they take the second day of the draft and make something special out of it.

  61. ryanryan says:

    you’ll have to trust me on the arrest for now…eric has enough info to investigate and ive seen the video with my own eyes, just wait.

  62. Poe just changed the top end of the draft today.

  63. DeCastro would be awesome, but I dont think he falls to 12. We’re gonna get stuck with the Tannehill vs DT/DE conundrum. As Ive been saying, as long as the player we take kicks butt, it wont matter so much.

    I dont care if Seattle had to give up this years 1-3 and next years 1 for RG111, I’d be okay with that. Especially since I hate DC and Shanahan.

    Ive been sure the Lambs wouldnt trade with us, but they might: IF Flynn goes to Miami, and the Browns decide not to go for RG111, then its us and the Skins. The Skins are NFC as well, and thats a good thing. The Lambs just might trade with us if we sweeten the deal just a little. They could use WR’s, and we are loaded at the position…BMW, Butler,…?

    Besides, Fisher isnt the kind of coach to back down from a challenge. He might actually like a real rivalry between us and the Lambs again…if we had RG111 and he plays up to his potential, and Bradford does the same, it will be war for 12 years between the two teams..and thats a good thing.

    Crazy, but a guy can dream, right?

    I cant see spending all the money to get Flynn when the guy has played so little. Besides, I cant see Flynn choosing us over Miami. Who would?! Flynn has huge bust potential, and will cost far more than RG111. And cap space DOES matter. Flynn has a good chance of being another Rob Johnson or Kevin Kolb. And Seattle can weather losing a bunch of picks, because our roster is pretty stacked except for DT and DE. Those could possibly be remedied via free agency (Mario Williams)and DT later in the draft.

    Seriously, Mario Williams would probably cost less than Flynn. And without the huge risk. Id rather trade the farm for RG111 and get Williams than buy Flynn and cross our fingers.

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