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Schneider: No deal yet with Lynch

Post by Eric Williams on Feb. 23, 2012 at 1:51 pm with 35 Comments »
February 23, 2012 1:51 pm

Seattle Seahawks general manager John Schneider talked about the ongoing talks with soon-to-be free agent running back Marshawn Lynch here at the NFL Scouting Combine this afternoon.

Schneider said there’s no deal yet, but the two sides are having productive talks, with the hope that something will get done in the next, two weeks.

“We’re having great discussions,” Schneider said. “And I’m actually meeting again with his guy tonight.

“We’ve had great discussions since probably two or three weeks left in the season. So there’s no animosity at all. It’s good dialogue. No fist fights.”

However, Schneider didn’t mince words when asked if the Seahawks were willing to franchise Lynch of the two sides can’t come to an agreement before a March 5th deadline.

“Sure,” Schneider said.

Schneider said the Seahawks are in a similar situation with other free agents like Red Bryant, Michael Robinson, David Hawthorne and John Carlson, as agent makes the rounds here in Indianapolis in attempt to determine their clients’ market value before accepting a deal.

“We’ve changed a little bit since we got here,” Schneider said. “We’re getting to the point where we feel strongly now about our own guys. We’d like to take care of those guys first. And then obviously if there’s a huge gap or a huge hole that we need to fill in free agency, we’re going to attack it, or at least explore it. But we’d really like to try and hang on to our own guys first.”

For fans wanting the Seahawks to chase Matt Flynn or Peyton Manning in free agency, Schneider again struck a cautionary note when talking about potentially upgrading the quarterback spot.

“I’m talking about giving up draft choices to go get somebody, or guaranteeing somebody a ton of money that you’re not quite sure is the guy that’s going to get you over the hump,” Schneider said. “If you do that, then you can set the organization back.

“It happened to us at Green Bay at a different position. We got in a situation where we got jammed up, then you overdraft at one position and you overpay at the same position – it can really Jack you up.”

Schneider went on to say the Seahawks will continue to evaluate what’s out there on the free agent market versus players currently on the roster.

“We’re always looking to upgrade that position,” Schneider said. “We’re really excited about Josh Portis. He had a phenomenal preseason, and made a lot of progress throughout the year as well. He’s working his tail off trying to prepare as much as he can on his own, and as soon as he can get with the coaches that will be a great thing for him.

“But it’s an interesting group. We’ll have to evaluate Charlie’s situation in free agency, and compare Charlie to the rest of the free agent, and players we may trade for or anybody who can be cap casualties. So we’re kind of on top of that right now.”

And ultimately whoever Seattle lands on, they will be competing for the starting job with Tarvaris Jackson.

Schneider said overall he was pleased with Jackson’s performance in his first year with the team.

“In terms of how he played, I thought he did a great job, especially with that offensive line,” Schneider said about Jackson. “And it kind of came to fruition the way we thought it would in terms of the offseason and having Darrell Bevell there.

“He came in. He knew the offense and could step right into the huddle the first day. And quite frankly he’s such a tough guy, such a strong guy, he could hang in there and take those shots. And he did it.

“He played with a torn pec, so I’m sure there’s a lot of throw that he wishes he could have kind of step into a little better and that kind of thing. But I thought he did a real nice job for us.”

In terms of potential quarterbacks in the draft, Schneider said there’s a lot of different options available.

“I think it’s a very unique draft class, from Brock Osweiler all the way down to Russell Wilson. You’ve go a 6-8 guy and a 5-10 ½ guy. You’ve got Kellen Moore, who’s just a phenomenal field general. You’ve got (Ryan) Tannehill. It’s a very unique class. There aren’t standard molds for each guy. Every guy has this different niche to him – Kirk Cousins, and like I said Tannehill, and RG III – I think it’s a pretty cool class.

But one thing is certain – Schneider is not looking for a quarterback drone that’s been training to play the position since he’s 6-year-old; he’s looking for a tough, hard-nosed football player that can command a team at that position.

“Guys that have always been in like the quarterback schools and the special camps and all that stuff, they make me a little nervous to a certain extent,” Schneider said.

Asked to expand on that, Schneider had this to say: “At the quarterback position I think you’ve got to have a tough-minded individual. A guy that maybe has played some defense and knocked the crap out of a receiver himself, or something. Just a guy that’s an all-around football player.”

On the injury front, Schneider provided updates on Sidney Rice, James Carpenter and Jackson.

Schneider confirmed an earlier report that Rice did in fact have surgery on both shoulders to repair torn labrums.

“He’ll be rebounding the whole offseason,” Schneider said. “But from a timetable standpoint I think if we can get him up and running for camp, that’s the most important thing for him.

“This is finally the first time where he’ll be going into camp healthy.”

Schneider said this is Carpenter’s first significant injury in his football playing career, and that the Alabama product is off crutches and can get around on his own.

Schneider said the team was concerned about losing Breno Giacomini in free agency, but signing him to a two-deal gives Seattle someone to plug in at right tackle, and also allows them to move James Carpenter to left guard once he’s healthy.

“It’s an option for us, depending on what happens in the draft or free agency,” Schneider said.

Schneider also said that Jackson managed to avoid having surgery to repair his torn pectoral muscle.

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  1. Dukeshire says:

    Goodness, a lot of interesting stuff here:they’re open to moving Carp to LG. That will make some very happy.

    And QB school / protégés make him nervous? Good thing Barkley isn’t coming out, as far as Seattle goes.

    Would love to see Lynch locked up by the end of next week.

  2. Dukeshire says:

    And someone needs to take Bobby’s belt before he reads Schneider’s Portis / Jackson comments.

  3. Just based on articles read, Cousins and Tannehill look like possible future starters. If Moore is hanging around late and other needs have been met, he could be a “lets see what he can do” flyer.
    Bobby is nothing, if not strong in his opinions about QB’s.


  5. Carp has been a flat-out failure at RT, but is too early to tell about his long-term future. As it stands, he is likely to miss the start of the season rehabbing from his injury. And since conditioning was a problem for him last year coming in, he’s gonna need time to get in football-shape even after his knee is healed. That means we’re gonna have Giacomini at RT for awhile, which isnt so bad.

    It also means that they may try to work Carpenter into the lineup by playing him at LG, at least initially. Gallery wasnt exactly worth his pay last year. I thought Lem JeanPierre played his best at RG, so Im happy with most of our O-line: Giac, JeanPierre, Moffitt, Okung, and our C. Too bad those guys wont all be starting, unless they plug JeanPierre and Moffit in at LG and RG, which wouldnt bother me at all.

    I was really pissed to see JeanPierre benched just because he was the backup C while the horrendous McQuistan stunk it up at G. Though I was surpised how well McQ did at LT. How can a guy play LT better than G?!

    It still sucks to have drafted Carpenter instead of Carimi, but whatever: big ego move by Tom Cable that we should be able to weather. At lest he shows promise as a G.

  6. The only reason I might be happy with Carp moved to LG is that it would show our coaches arent afraid to admit big mistakes, or to adapt. I would be much happier if Carp would start playing like the RT Cable believes he will be. That would make my whole year.

  7. chuck_easton says:


    You missed the biggest information! What was Schneider wearing? Did he look like a disco flashback or an extra from a cheesy 70’s ‘blue’ movie? Did somebody get to him and tell him that whole draft war room look did nothing for his street cred?

    These are the questions that must be dealt with before I can relax tonight.

    Really, you call yourself an investigative reporter? Joan Rivers would have been all over it!

  8. Dukeshire says:

    I don’t disagree with he overall sentiment, but Carpenter has not been a “flat out failure” at tackle. He may have struggled (although improved). But calling him a failure there is hyperbole. Moreover, moving him to guard would not mecessarliy signify a mistake on their part, but rather the ability of this staff to adapt and adjust their plans, in an effort to put players in positions to succeed, at least as I see it.

  9. Why don’t we wait and see how well James Carpenter plays once he rehabs and gets a full NFL season under his belt? He was just an inexperienced kid in 2011.

  10. Schneider had this to say: “At the quarterback position I think you’ve got to have a tough-minded individual. A guy that maybe has played some defense and knocked the crap out of a receiver himself, or something. Just a guy that’s an all-around football player.”

    Ryan Tannehill would fit that profile. He was voted his team’s MVP at WR before he switched to QB in 2010.

  11. Great sign him up…if nobody’s open, he can pass the ball to himself.

  12. Personally, I’m glad to read the comment about Carp and LG.

    I really wouldn’t expect Schneider to say anything about QB than what he said. He can’t be honest and say that: “T-Jack is a great guy, but not a great QB. He’ll make a fine back-up, but in no way should he start for a team that legitimately thinks it can win a Super Bowl anytime soon.”

    He may be honest in his assessment of Portis, but even if they don’t believe in Portis it’s not like they will come out and say it this time of the year. Still, his comments from last week about wanting a leader who can make people turn their heads when he walks into his room with his presence – I don’t see that in Portis simply from him being a criminal about a year and a half ago (it’s not like he “screwed” up when he was a freshman or sophomore). I have no problem giving talented guys like this second (or fifth) chances if they play a different position, but it’s tough to have a leader and face of your franchise be dumber than a box of rocks and take him seriously. They only thing people will do when Portis walks into a room is check their wallets.

  13. Would we rather trade a 2nd rounder for Flynn and then draft a pass rusher in the 1st round, or draft Tannenhill in the 1st and get a pass rusher in the 2nd (and have more money to potentially resign our own guys).

    I don’t think it’s looking real good that Gallery comes back next year. I would think McQuistan could be resigned at a fraction of the cost (assuming Gallery doesn’t restructure) and keep the position warm for Carp until his knee is healthy (which may not be until 2013).

  14. If Schneider is using miss-direction then the QB he is targeting in the draft is Foles. That was about the only guy he DIDN’T mention.

    On to Flynn. If GB does tag him his $14 mizzillion immediately counts against their cap. Maybe that’s no problem for them. Giving up draft picks AND paying the big bucks makes it a much higher risk deal in terms of the assets spent but to answer your question Bobby I’m still going with the 2nd rounder for Flynn over the 1st rounder for Tannehill. My feeling is that Flynn will prove to be the real deal.

    Carp hasn’t proven anything definitively. I gots hope he pans out to become a good player.

  15. If the Packers franchise Flynn, I actually hope that nobody trades for him and he sits on their bench for $14.4 million next year and making more than Rodgers. That’d be funny.

  16. maddog12 says:

    I am not feeling it on Flynn. Was he a stud in college for a big time school playing against elite competition? He has had little NFL playing time and that if I recall was unremarkable. I am not saying he is not the second coming but I don’t want to give up draft picks for him.

  17. Dukeshire says:

    Unremarkable? He did throw for 480 yards and 6 TDs in his start this season.

  18. maddog12 says:

    Ok Duke that is remarkable but I was thinking more of a body of work? Do you think he is a better risk than T-hill?

  19. If LSU is a big time school and the SEC counts as elite competition and winning the national championship makes you a stud then the answer to those questions is yes.

    I don’t want to give up any draft picks either. That was what makes the Flynn sweepstakes so appealing. Paying big money is enough of an investment. Being the underachiever that I am and something I’ve mentioned before is that holding a clipboard for $14 million per season is a job I’d love. One and done. Let’s hope GB doesn’t want to play that game.

  20. I’m an optimist and want to believe the best about James Carpenter. He was getting better when he got hurt. I want to see some of that steamroller, pancake stuff, wherever he plays.

    I agree with Bobby. If GB franchises Flynn, I want them to eat it. As for pass rusher v. QB, you’d think that the better deal would be pass rusher in the first, Flynn in the second. But end of the day, I don’t care where they get the pass rusher(s), just so long as they’re sacking opponents’ QBs in the fourth quarter and not letting them beat us with passes.

  21. Dukeshire says:

    Maddog – That’s a good question. Tannehill doesn’t have many starts himself (comparatively). My instinct is yes, I’d prefer Flynn. In fact, he’d be my first choice as a new QB for ’12 and moving forward (presuming they address the position this offseason).

  22. Southendzone says:

    Flynn will not sit on the bench for 14M next year. If he gets franchised he will be traded.

    Also, Carpenter was making progress the 2-3 weeks before his injury. I’m not indicting anyone on that draft pick yet. He’s got a lot of time yet to prove he can be a quality starter either at tackle or guard in the league.

  23. Why does everyone assume that Carpenter is going to be out for most of 2012? Red Bryant blew his knee out in the 8th week of 2010 and was back on the field at the beginning of the 2011 season, even without OTA’s and the Seahawks facility to rehab in because of the lockout. Carp got injured in week 9. He will have the benefit of a full offseason to rehab at the training facility. I don’t see why he won’t be on the line during Week 1.

  24. If Green Bay franchises Flynn at $14 million, and the Seahawks trade for him, do they assume the one year contract? Or is a part of the deal the ability to sign a long term deal?

  25. Palerydr says:

    Gabe Carimi went down with a subluxation of the right kneee in week 2 and didn’t play again for the year yup he clearly was the better choice. STTBM you’ve written some good stuff on the blog but to say Carpenter was a complete failure was not your finest moment.

    @stevos your mock interview with JS was the single funniest coment I’ve read on the blog to date! tried to post earlier but kept getting the Error message.

  26. Dukeshire says:

    rodman – No, a trading team does not have to assume the one year deal. The franchise tag can be removed, so of a team traded for Flynn, they could then sign him to a contract (and those contracts are worked out before the trade is made). That’s why trading for a franchised player is so difficult: need to come up with compensation for the trade, and negotiate a contract. The more demand for the player, the harder it is.

  27. Dukeshire says:

    I have to be honest; I really liked Carimi last year, too. Who knows what would have happened had Seattle taken him, injury wise? And I’m far from anti Carpenter, but Carimi was the better tackle between the two, coming out, IMO.

  28. Palerydr says:

    Well Duke my opinion isn’t in line with yours here but that’s the nature of this blog we don’t all agree and that’s a good thing. I look forward to Carpenter coming back and playing LG 1 of the things that attracted the Hawks to Carp was his versatility. I also hope they resign McQ I remember somebody dogging him during a live chat to which on cue he blew up Peppers and then somebody else on consecutive plays.

  29. Dukeshire says:

    I’m not down on Carpenter, and it’s true, they love his versality. I look forward to his return also.

  30. RDPoulsbo says:

    It sounds like Schneider is really saying they are actively looking for a starting QB, but they aren’t going to overpay. With comments like they are looking for a tough QB and all that, he could have easily followed up and said T-Jax is a guy like that, but he didn’t. Even those who don’t like him can’t question his toughness after playing through a torn pec. But it sounds like he was damning T-Jax with faint praise. It’s pretty clear what they want to do with Lynch and he’s not under contract, but not so much with T-Jax.

    I highly doubt GB would have to eat $14 mil. Even if Seattle isn’t a taker, there’s enough interest and teams that need a QB with Flynn’s skill set to make a trade. If he were in the draft, I’d view him as being somewhere between RG3 and Tannehill, so I’d cringe at giving up a 2nd but I can see it as doable but would pull the trigger in a heartbeat if it were a 3rd. I’d prefer they use their 1st round pick for a pass rusher over Tannehill simply because the pass rushing talent isn’t very deep in this draft.

    Calling Carp a failure at RT is over the top, but I wouldn’t mind seeing him move to LG either. One of the things I really like about this new staff is they are not afraid to admit mistakes and adjust. They did start Carp last season at LG to send the message that he wasn’t cutting it at RT.

  31. Dukeshire says:

    A third for Flynn would be awesome, but if he’s tagged, I’d be shocked if the price were that low.

    And just for the record, Carpenter started at LG in game one because Gallery was dinged. Anyway…

  32. RDPoulsbo says:

    They have backups for LG, so they could have easily put JeanPierre or Gibson there and given Carp the playing time at the position he was drafted to play. I saw it as sending a message that things weren’t just going to be given to him.

  33. Palerydr says:

    Yea Duke I know you aren’t down on Carp you’re one of the more level headed posters here not prone to sensationlized knee jerk comments.

  34. Schneider is not looking for a quarterback drone that’s been training to play the position since he’s 6-year-old; he’s looking for a tough, hard-nosed football player that can command a team at that position.

    Sounds like Tannehill to me

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