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Morning links: Schneider preaches patience in finding QB

Post by Eric Williams on Feb. 17, 2012 at 8:17 am with 52 Comments »
February 17, 2012 8:17 am
In the team's draft room, Seattle Seahawks general manager John Schneider consults with head coach Pete Carroll as the team's braintrust including senior personnel executive Scot McCloughan contemplates trade scenarios in the second round. (ROD MAR/SEATTLE SEAHAWKS)

Clare Farnsworth of talks to Seattle general manager John Schneider about the quarterback position as the team prepares for the NFL Scouting Combine next week.

And even with all the of the speculation swirling about the possibility of the Seahawks going after players like Peyton Manning and Matt Flynn, Schneider once again rolls out the team’s mantra, talking about how it’s important not to panic at the quarterback position.

“That may disappoint fans, because they want to see an instant guy and have that instant success,” Schneider said. “But really, you’re better off continuing to build your team. Initially when I got here, I thought we were going to plug the quarterback in and we were going built around him.

“If we had done that, we would have panicked in a way. And I’m not sure we would have been able to host the Saints (in the 2010 wild-card playoff game) and had that great atmosphere and all that.”

Pete Prisco of CBS Sports believes that quarterback Matt Flynn would be the best fit for Seattle.

ESPN’s Todd McShay believes North Carolina defensive end Quinton Coples could fall to the Seahawks.

Wes Bunting of the National Football Post lists Arizona State quarterback Brock Osweiler and Washington running back Chris Polk among a list of players that need a big week at the combine. provides a list of notable free agents at each position.

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  1. Dukeshire says:

    While Schneider is right, they have to find the right guy first and foremost, he too is correct in saying that fans do not like hearing it. At least insofar as patience is required. As I said before, they have to hit a home run, so-to-speak, with the next QB they bring in. Patience is fine, but they cannot afford to simply “rent” any more QBs, 2 years at a time. And if they miss on they guy they eventually settle on, it will be an ugly and dark time for all.

  2. Dukeshire says:

    Also, can someone (Eric, perhaps) please have Schneider wear a shirt that actually fits him, for the draft this year? Last year, his shirt was so small, he looked like a bloated, and sweaty coke dealer. Lol.

  3. SeahawkFan12 says:

    LOL, Duke! “Last year, his shirt was so small, he looked like a bloated and sweaty coke dealer.” That’s hilarious!

  4. chuck_easton says:

    OK, with that being said from the FO, does anybody have a line of sight on BobbyK? Keep him away from all bridges, high buildings, sharp objects, medicine cabinets, and major waterways.

    Oh, and put the local cardiology clinic on speed dial.

    Can’t risk losing such a great poster!

  5. RDPoulsbo says:

    Schneider doesn’t look like the sweater vest type of guy so I don’t think Eric is the right one for that particular job.

  6. Hawks need to do what it takes to move up to get RGIII. I agree this rent a QB is growing old, RGIII is a game changer. I would give two 1st picks for a game changing QB. The FO is good at finding gems in the rough but like Duke says they need to hit a home run at QB and I think RGIII will be that guy.

  7. Dukeshire says:

    Chuck – He was the very first person I thought of when I read the headline. Lol

  8. HawkyHann says:

    RGIII is our guy. “do it, do it”.

    SEATTLE SUPERSONICS WILL BE BACK!! Great story, Eric. Finally, basketball will be back where it belongs. Anyone realize since 2000 we produce more NBA 1st round talent than any other major city in the US. That’s right, NYC, LA, Chicago. Read about “the home team”. Jamal C and the crew.

  9. Dukeshire says:

    Well, they need a commitment from an NBA and NHL, as I understand it, before anything else can happen. The Kings…? Long ways to go, still…

  10. chuck_easton says:

    Phoenix Coyotes. All the talk on HNIC (Hockey Night in Canada…every Saturday night 2 games back to back), is that it’s almost a sure thing the Coyotes will relocate to Seattle if there’s a new arena being built.

    They’d even play at Key Arena until the new digs can be opened.

    Seattle Thunderbirds?

  11. RDPoulsbo says:

    The NBA can go bankrupt and fold for all I care of their league. They turned me off long before they turned their back on Seattle. The NHL on the other hand, I would love to see them land the Coyotes. They have no fan support down there, so it’s nothing like the Sonics or Kings for that matter. Being perpetually last in the league in fan attendance in spite of fielding playoff teams is practically telling the Coyotes to leave town.

  12. Dukeshire says:

    What, you don’t like corrupt sports leagues whose refs go to prison for rigging games?

  13. HawkyHann says:

    Dukeshire, true, they have to go through the formal hoops but not worried. To much private financing here, that’s the biggest hurdle. I’m hoping for the Kings for a couple reasons. 1.) No Cal still has the Warriors..good for their fan base. 2.) I like their young team.

    I love the city of New Orleans but if the NBA owns your team, you don’t deserve one. I can’t stand their team though so I’d prefer the Kings.

    I’ll take any team. Just bring it back. I still remember how exciting the city was when we were playing MJ in the finals. And still the only team to bring a world championship.

  14. Waiting a year is fine.

    Waiting two years is fine if you were hoping a Jake Locker or Christian Ponder were going to be around but were already taken.

    There is no way it’s fine to go three years.

    By the time is at its peak and ready to content, the QB will be too young and not ready yet so the crap cycle of being a worthless Seahawk fan will continue (and we know that all too well). It’s time to get him THIS off-season. All reports indicate they were interested in Kolb in year 1 and it didn’t happen. I respect they didn’t cave and give up a kings ransom.

    Last year, aside from signing Matt (who isn’t a 5-10 year solution), there wasn’t anyone to get. Okay. I give them a pass on that one (not really, but I’m trying to be nice about the Hasselbeck thing).

    But there’s no way in heck I’ll be okay going one more year and waiting for year #4 to finally get a QB. No way, no how, no chance. If you guys thought I was sickening about losing Hutch, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet!

  15. I hate not being able to edit and correct mistakes!

  16. SandpointHawk says:

    Whatever the front office is saying right now, believe the opposite. I really hope they have something up their sleeve. Free agency is thin besides Flynn. So if not Flynn maybe a draft day trade up. Something is in the works by the spin we are getting let’s hope its is a grand slam. T-Jack is not going to take us to the promised land…No way, no how….

  17. nidhighe says:

    “And still the only team to bring a world championship.”

    Well, only if you ignore the Storm’s championships.

  18. Dukeshire says:

    Steady Bobby…

  19. I firmly believe in this regime. They have been too smart about everything up to this point for them to throw it all away by forgetting about the QB position. You know, I would think, that behind closed doors they are plotting names like Flynn, Tannenhill, etc. in anticipation of ironing out the future of this franchise at the QB position. They obviously can’t come out and say what most of us know: “Oh my Gosh, we’re desperate to find a QB!” But you know it’s gotta be almost at that heightened level of urgency if they are as smart as we think they are.

    But if they go another year with T-Jack and no legit alternative, I’m going to …

  20. chuck_easton says:

    Bobby…put down the knife!

    When’s your birthday? Maybe we will all pitch in and buy you one of those porable defibulators just in case we do have another year of TJack under center.

  21. Dukeshire says:

    Chuck – He just had a birthday, couple weeks back. But no matter, I’m all for chipping in for a life-alert, or some such. March and April are going to be very tense months for our QB pining friend. Indeed…

  22. Trying to control what you have no control over is the worst. I don’t think Pete and John want to win any less than anyone on this blog. Now, do you think they can judge talent at QB? Pete had some pretty good QBs at USC, but he had an advantage there that he doesn’t have here (recruiting vs. draft and free agency.) Schneider had all that experience with Green Bay QBs… but how will he do when he’s the one who has to judge the talent? How many teams missed on Favre, on Brady, on Montana? What a stud Kolb turned out to be :> It’s such a gray area… It would be interesting to know the Carroll/Schneider/Bevell/Cable thought process on this. We can guess in advance, but we really don’t know, and hopefully they’re totally poker faced about it. But afterwards it will be interesting to understand what they were thinking. Hopefully, our guy Eric will tell us.

  23. jacobhawkr says:

    Don’t forget the Stanley Cup champions the Seattle Metropolitans. I think around 1916. Look it up.

  24. Anyone catch the JS comment about his understanding when he took the job? I am paraphrasing here: “Initially I thought we would get a QB the first year and build around that, but then we would not have had the special moment against the Saints”.

    Ah, hey Pete. You done messed up. Your grace period was, ah, too much mediocrity, and not enough suck. Now. Well, now you had better win. With your passionate distaste for rookie QB’s and love for castaway QB’s, you are tempting fate to recreate your first two stints in the NFL. Mediocre was how they were described. Seattle is a super-mediocre young club.

    Let’s see. With more points in 2011, we win more games. Hmm. The 2012 draft is strong in offensive lineman… let’s draft defense! Yeah! More defense. Who needs points when you can have lots of rotational guys that “earn everything”.

    This, my dear JS, is a delusional set of ideas. Life happens now. Winning happens now. There are no five year plans in football. Rookie contracts average 4 years. So, ah, my advice. Go all in, now!

    That is all.

  25. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I’m tired of talking qb’s! I just want to ride my bicycle!

  26. Dukeshire says:

    nbk- Huh? Either I haven’t had enough to drink or you’ve had too much. First off, the Charlie Whitehurst thing was a Schneider deal, as I understand it. (Please correct me if I’m wrong.) I distinctly remember JS talking about scouting him with Green Bay, and how much he thought of him. And second, and perhaps more importantly, I interpreted the quote you paraphrased, as a nod to Pete, and how he is willing to do the right thing, and not panic.

    Winning is indeed now, especially in today’s sports culture. But let me ask you; how much better are the Seahawks of today vs. the Seahawks this FO inherited? Immeasurably is the adjective I come up with. And trending up, as it were. Patience is a fickle attribute. One that those without control (us fans, jack!) have a difficult time embracing. For what it’s worth, I truly believe the Seahawks are in good, safe, and responsible hands. In a word: patience, my friend. Trophies are coming.

  27. Duke: I am patient. Been a fan since the first year of the franchise. There are 18 free agents from the 2011 team. The 2011 team is gone, never to return. Every year is a new year in football. Hasselbeck taught us that. If this front office goes 7-9 with Tarvaris at the helm and no rookie with promise behind him, will you still think we are better. Mediocrity does not buy my patience.

    And regarding the newly minted pro-bowlers. Chancellors deal is up end of 2013. All that good drafting is going to get darn expensive. Might even go to waste. So, yeah, I’m not patient.

    Safe. Love that word. Always reminds me of Curry. Maybe we can get Richardson this year and be safe. Safe and football. Two words that do not collide together much in said game. I digress.

  28. Part of the problem with turning the roster around so quickly is that our expectations go up even quicker. We’re on the right path. Just like everyone else, I want it all and I want it now! But I’m humbly and patiently willing to wait until 2014-15 for our Superbowl victory even though 2013 would be the best.

    As for the NHL in Seattle I’m all for it. The NBA? There’s only one team out there for us and right now they play in OKC. Would rather see that league go up in smoke then take a different team.

  29. Yep, patience is a bitch. No doubt about it. But no one can argue that Scheider hasn’t exceeded everyone’s expectations in how fast he and Carroll tore the team down and built it back up. Yep, Duke, they are immeasurably better in only two years. Anyone who doesn’t think Scheider knows exactly what he’s doing is not paying attention.

    Of course, there was that Charlie Whiteworst debacle. But everyone makes mistakes, right? Hmph.

    I’m impatient too, but this idea that “the next QB we draft/sign has to be THE guy who takes us to the promised land” is bunk. Totally wrong. We might sign 4 QBs before we find the one. I expect the Seahawks to have a couple of new QBs on the roster next year, but unless one of them is named Luck or Manning, I expect him to be sitting on the bench watch Tarvaris Jackson win games. Because Tarvaris isn’t going to just step aside for some punk kid QB to take his job. He’s going to outcompete any rookie and he is going to win a lot more games than people think.

    In the meantime, heck, we should enjoy watching the rest of this team develop. Its really impressive how fast they are building this thing. Its going to be a good ride.

  30. Dukeshire says:

    nbk – Wow. Your entire post is a testament to misunderstanding. Not only of what I said, but of what re-building a professional football team, from the ground up (now only 2 seasons under their belt) consists of. I can only imagine your frustration when Holmgren took over, if in fact, you were a fan then.

  31. and why can’t I ever spell “Schneider” when I’m typing on this thing? Dang. Schneider. Schneider.

  32. Dukeshire says:

    nkb – So, not only are you upset about not having the QB position settled, you’re also mad that a pro bowl players’ rookie contract is going to expire in two years? If I may, you set some unreasonably high standards. That is, you’re complaining they may not be able to keep the great talent they drafted…? Talk about looking at the down side of life.

  33. I think we should wait for a QB to be the best player available when we pick and if it’s 2019, so be it. Yes. I’m being sarcastic.

    Of course Tarvaris is going to win plenty of games and more than some people think. The team is getting that good. They aren’t going to win because of him though. I’ve said this before, but 11-5 and knowing you really have no legit chance to win it all sucks about as bad as being 5-11 (at least with 5-11 you might pick high enough to at least draft a real QB).

    Having Tarvaris QB your team is like having Marty Schottenheimer coach it. Thanks to Pete and Co. this team is going to be good but, thanks to Tarvaris, you know damn well we’re not going to win the Super Bowl. With Marty, you knew you’d usually compete, but you also knew that as fun as the regular season was, for some reason, the post-season will be equally as frustrating.

  34. chuck_easton says:

    All Seahawk fans are frustrated. It is a genetic side effect associated with loving this team.

    Now we have the FO telling us to, once again, be patient.

    Ok here’s the new mantra for all Seahawk fans:

    “God grant me patience…and give it to me NOW!!!!!”

  35. Palerydr says:

    If we signed Mario Williams as well as the rest of the starters from last years Def(with the exception of Red) I feel they could carry us to a 10 plus win season. I would also try and trade up to get RG3 since at that point my pass rush would be fixed. For williams to stay in Houston it will cost them just under 22 mil a year due to the convaluted rules that are in place.

  36. Palerydr says:

    @Chuck LOL!

  37. I’m going to be patient to get Flynn, but I’m only going to give them just under a month to get it done!

    With the cap room of some teams like Bucs and their need for a pass rusher and with Houston looking pretty darn good on paper moving forward (and a Williams/Watt duo forming a great pass rush), I don’t see any way possible Mario Williams will come here. I’d love to have him, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t see it at all happening.

    I’m going to continue to hope for a Flynn free agent signing and a Nick Perry 1st round pick (knowing that if Mr. Happy is sold on him, then I am too).

  38. I would be more patient if Seattle would extend Tarvaris and make him “the man”.

    This rent a QB thing puts all other success at jeopardy. This is what tugs at my patience. Eat your own dog food, Pete, and go all in with Jackson. Extend him with three additional years.

    With an extension, Seattle now has an identity. I can choose to not like it, or like it. Regardless, I know how we are going to win games at QB.

    Instead, we meander with the most important position in football, if not all of sport.

    Complete the identity prior to your fourth year in the front office.

    Holmgren went all in with Hasselbeck in year three. Everyone knew he would live or die by that decision. And early on he nearly lost his job. That said, once Beck got it together, there was a seven year window of success, largely based on Beck.

    Holmgren I loved because of his stubbornness, and willingness to go all in with what he believed. I would suggest Pete is just as stubborn, and that would include his misgivings to “buying in” to any QB.

    So, I write out my frustration as the QB position becomes a menagerie of retreads with two year contracts.

  39. Palerydr says:

    The Texans have only 3.3 mil in cap room and Arian Foster is a restricted FA so I don’t see them having the money to pay both. True other teams notably TB, KC and Washington have huge amounts of cap space and a need/desire for a dominant pass rusher. Just as much as you want a stud QB, and I want one also, I’m a defensive guy and I want Mario Williams as much as you want Flynn Bobby. I feel a top 5 Defense can carry our team for another year, and I’m probably dreaming here, we then trade up and draft RG3. As has been pointed out by someone else(sorry don’t remember the posters name) the winning QB in the SB has come from the first round more often than not.

  40. Soggybuc says:

    Bobby I really think it is going to come down to what Flynn wants more in his heart. if wants to sign where he can start and win games and make play off runs Hawks are the better choice.
    If he wants to go to who is going to throw the biggest pile of cash at him it’s going to be Washington or Miami.

  41. Bobby, dude, take your anti-anxiety meds. ;-)

    Flynn on the roster, and Perry or Still on draft day would make me a happy camper, too. But, the one thing that we tend to forget is that ever since Schneider and Carroll got here, its those 3rd, 4th, 5th round draft picks who end up being the players doing the most to make this a winning team.

    The thing I was saying about QB, is we should bring in a bunch of them, and not expect ONE to be the savior. QBs bust at a pretty high rate, and it can be surprising which ones end up succeeding. No matter how good Schneider and his staff are at scouting talent, they can’t put all their eggs in one basket.

    When Belichick had Drew Bledsoe as a league-leading QB, he drafted three more QBs in late rounds. One of them turned out to be Tom Brady. When the Packers had Brett Favre putting them in the playoffs every year, they kept drafting QBs until Rogers fell to them. So, yes the Seahawks should probably go after Matt Flynn, but I want to see a bunch of QBs competing in camp since nobody knows who will be the one.

  42. Palerydr says:

    I believe we have an identity already, a stout defense and a power run game. Sorry but Jackson has at least 2 liabilities that a pro QB cannot have: poor pocket presence and an inability to use the entire field(80% plus of the seasons completions to the right side of the field). I’m not gonna extend a guy with those defects in his game.

  43. Funny thing I just noticed about Matt Flynn… most know he was the Packer’s 7th round pick in 2008 when the Packers targeted Brian Brohm in the 2nd round, but did you realize the Packers also drafted Breno Giacomini two rounds ahead of Flynn? I see stuff like this and I continue to think there is just no predicting who the eventual Seahawk’s QOF will be.

  44. Soggybuc says:

    Ok to much coffee this morning, If the Skins and Phins are the main competition for Flynn look at what each has to offer.
    Other than Brandon Marshall the fins have nothing, Moss is still pretty good but Rice is better when healthy. we also have some very promising very young studs in Baldwin, Tate and Lockette. i’d also take Obo of the likes of Hartline any day.
    Who would you rather hand the ball to? Bush, Helu or Beast mode?
    Fasano is ok at best and 3 minutes after looking at their roster I can’t even remember who the Skins have at TE. compare that to a team that loves running 12 with a combo the likes of Miller and Carlson.

    All 3 have decent defenses, but the Hawks have the younger of the bunch and it has only started to reach it’s potential.
    So if Flynn opts for the bigger payday you had better start to question if he really has the fire to want to win a ring of his own or is his “retirement” home his priority.

  45. Soggybuc says:

    Good points Stevo, either ya roll the dice hard and pray your guy turns out to be “it” or ya just throw handfuls of them at the wall until you find the one that sticks.
    Portis got many of excited last year with his pre-season play and that was with 2 weeks of camp and here ya go kid. be interesting to see where he’s at with a full year under his belt and a full off season of work.

  46. Soggy, what the Dolphins have to offer Flynn is to play for an offensive coordinator who was the coach that built the current Green Bay offense Flynn played in for four years. If Mike Sherman gets to sign Flynn, he will likely install the same offensive system in Miami.

    Flynn might see that as best fit for his career.

  47. There’s no rule that says we can’t sign Flynn AND draft a QB in the top 3 rounds.

  48. Soggybuc says:

    I get the continuity of system argument but dont forget that Football is a game of 11! wont matter for jack if Flynn knows the system or not if the other 10 guys dont!
    It’s players vs system really, some fit some dont. Miami is well in line to go through what the Hawks did when Holmgren first came to Seattle. remember that really dumb commercial with the team on the ferry? “It’s NOW time!” yes it was, it was now time for Mike to rip the roster apart and get players that fit his WC system. a few years later and we went to the Bowl.
    Whats easier, take one very smart guy, IE the QB and adjust him to your system that the roster already knows, or adapt 52 other players to a system that ONE guy is really good at?

  49. Soggybuc says:

    Forgot to add that if Flynn goes to Miami with his former OC. mark my words that the expectations and hype will far outpace reality. Phins are not going to suddenly turn into the 2010 Pack 2.0, at best Miami is going to compete with Buffalo for third place unless you think the Pats and Jets are just gonna roll over and anoint the second coming of Bart Starr.

  50. raymaines says:

    After reading a million posts, I think I’ve got it figured out. QB, left tackle, the occasional super gifted athlete on the D-line, and once in a generation WR’s are worthy of very high first round picks or lots and lots of money, but every other position can be easily filled later in the draft.

    The big trick is to pick the right guy in every round of the draft more often than anybody else does. Easier said than done, but that’s why JS gets the big bucks.

    So here’s my plan: I want JS and PC to identify the QB they want and go after him big time. Pay ANY price to get Luck, RG3, Flynn or Manning – or pick some stiff like Brock Osweiler in the third round and let him sit for a year behind T-Jack if they really think he’s the guy.

    Spend huge amounts of Paul Allen’s money to get Mario Williams as a free agent.

    We all pray for Okung and Rice to stay healthy, then JS & PC pray all of the draft picks turn out well.

    This is all so simple. Why didn’t I think of it before?

  51. Gr8sparky says:

    Sign Peyton. Draft Tannehill. There you go. Set at Quarterback for years to come

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