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Morning links: Hawks in Hawaii

Post by Eric Williams on Jan. 27, 2012 at 10:44 am with 45 Comments »
January 27, 2012 10:44 am
NFC roster at this year's Pro Bowl in Hawaii. (NFL.com)

Clare Farnsworth of Seahawks.com catches up with Seattle safety Earl Thomas by phone Hawaii, one of five Seattle players in this year’s Pro Bowl. Thomas says it’s not just another game for him this weekend.

Look in the front row of the picture above and I think you’ll recognize some lime green cleats.

“This is something special to me. I don’t know how the other guys are taking it, but I’m going to give it my best when I get out there. Because I know once I start playing, it’s going to be like nothing I’ve ever experienced before. So I’m just really looking forward to it.”

Dave Boling of The News Tribune writes that Seattle having five players in the Pro Bowl this week is an indicator of the transformation of talent Pete Carroll and John Schneider have overhauled with this roster.

Seahawks fullback Michael Robinson flew from the Pro Bowl in Hawaii to speak at his former head coach at Penn State Joe Paterno’s memorial service.

Debbie Cafazzo and Doug Pacey of The News Tribune write about former Seahawks quarterback Jon Kitna officially becoming the head football coach at Lincoln High in Tacoma.

Brian Billick of the NFL Network argues that despite the fact he won a Super Bowl at Baltimore with Trent Dilfer, you need an elite quarterback to win the big game.

Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers believes the Seattle Seahawks will be involved in the Matt Flynn sweepstakes.

Pat Kirwan of the NFL Network takes a closer look at the list of the top hybrid pass rushers available in this year’s draft.

Seahawks tight end John Carlson tells his hometown paper he’d like to stay in Seattle, but he also understands the business side of the league might lead him elsewhere.

According to Tom Pelissero of 1500 ESPN in the Twin Cities, Seahawks receiver Sidney Rice had surgery on both shoulders this offseason.

Wes Bunting of the National Football Post proves some risers and fallers after this week’s Senior Bowl practices.

Pete Prisco of CBS Sports checks in with former Seahawks safety Deon Grant, who will play in the Super Bowl for the New York Giants.

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  1. Does anyone think the league will fine Marshawn again for those shoe strings?

  2. Dukeshire says:

    It wouldn’t surprise me, as idiotic as a uniform in the Pro Bowl would be.

  3. Dukeshire says:

    Uniform *fines*…

  4. Awesome to see all our guys there . . it’s been a pretty dry spell for us since Big Walt left.

  5. Interesting piece by Billick, especially his take on Alex Smith.

  6. GeorgiaHawk says:

    That was an interesting piece by Billick.
    I wonder if Billick realized that after he let go of Dilfer he would only have less then a 20% chance of finding an elite qb?

    I sure hope for our sake that the odds will be better then 20% of finding our elite qb in the near future.

  7. Dukeshire says:

    I think that’s a bit of a false argument. He’s saying that only 20% of the teams now have, what he considers an elite QB (it’s not as though this is hard science), not that only 20% of teams can have an elite QB. “Elite” QB is a subjective definition. I’m confident Seattle can get to and win a Super Bowl without one of the top 6 QBs. Example: I believe Matt Stafford is capable of winning a championship, but he’s not included in any list of “elite” QBs. I guess what I’m saying is that one doesn’t need an “elite” QB, but only the next best thing.

  8. Stafford might belong in the top 6.

  9. Would Superbowl passing stats of 2-7 for 42yds qualify as elite?

    Just venting. Might never get over Superbowl XL UNLESS we win one, preferably while most of us are still alive.

    “The next best thing” is the springboard. If Stafford did win one THEN he would most likely join Billick’s elite QB club. Same could be said of Rivers if SD had ever reached the promised land.

  10. Dukeshire says:

    That’s such a bullshit argument, with due respect. – can’t be elite unless you win one. Can’t win one unless you’re elite. Bullocks! It takes so much more than an a HOFer QB to win a Super Bowl. Ask Miami (Marino) or Buffalo (Kelly) or
    Minn (Tarkenton). Yes, one needs a brilliant QB, but Christ, there simply need to be more in place. We all understand that, do we not?! The formula is not difficult to understand. Acquiring the pieces…? Different story

  11. Great point Duke. Here’s one, how long did it take John Elway to finally win his first? Does that mean he was garbage until then?

    I’ll be heading to the Senior Bowl in the morning, so hopefully I’ll have some comments for you once I get back. We got fifth row, 40 yard line, so hoping to see the action.

  12. Don’t let former coach Billick hear you say that. He is the self proclaimed “genius” who showed his Superbowl Champion QB the door. Not even a chance to compete? Funny thing is Dilfer might have won the big one in Tampa if they hadn’t kept him on the bench(post injury) in favor of King.

    Personally, I don’t care if Elmer J. Phudd is our QB as long as we get that Superbowl victory. If we do win it all the doomsday clock will start but that’s a price worth paying.

  13. You don’t need a so-called “Elite” quarterback to win a Super Bowl. You just need a QB that has the capability to do two things. One, lead your team to victory in a come from behind, last minute drive. Two, carry the team to a victory when other parts of your team’s game is not working that particular day.

    The truly elite QB’s have those two capabilities. Think Bradshaw, Stabler, Montana, Young, Marino, Brady, Brees, and Manning to name the ones thsat come to mind for me from over the past 30 years or so. Notice I didn’t include Rogers? Is he good? yes definitely…damn good. Is he elite? I don’t know. I haven’t seen him bring his team back from a sure loss with a career defining last minute drive yet. An overtime win doesn’t cut it. There’s no time pressure and you aren’t behind. Until a guy brings his team back from the edge of elimination in a playoff type game, I don’t call him elite. So my list is fairly short, and I’m sure there are others I didn’t think of.

  14. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Skavage- Is that Peyton or Eli that you have on your list?

  15. ChrisHolmes says:

    “Yes, one needs a brilliant QB, but Christ, there simply need to be more in place.”

    I don’t think everyone is on that page Duke, judging from what I’ve reading this season on this board, and even in this thread. I don’t know if it’s just fans with blinders on, people trying to rationalize a bad QB, blind devotion or just sheer ignorance. But it seems clear to me after reading so many posts this season that no, people don’t understand you need a brilliant QB.

    This has become a passing league dominated by great QB’s. To get to, and win, a Superbowl, you need either an Elite QB or a Very, Very Good QB.

    Last 10 Superbowls (winners in CAPS)

    Current) Tom Brady vs. Eli Manning

    1) AARON ROGERS vs Ben Roethlisberger
    2) DREW BREES vs. Peyton Manning
    3) BEN ROETHLISBERGER vs. Kurt Warner
    4) ELI MANNING vs. Tom Brady
    5) PEYTON MANNING vs. Rex Grossman
    6) BEN ROETHLISBERGER vs. Matt Hasselbeck
    7) TOM BRADY vs. Donovan McNabb
    8) TOM BRADY vs. Jake Delhomme
    9) BRAD JOHNSON vs. Rich Gannon
    10) TOM BRADY vs. Kurt Warner

    Look at that list and tell me Quarterback isn’t important to WINNING a Superbowl? WTF?

    Yeah, the Bucs did it with Brad Johnson and five INT’s off Rich Gannon by a great defense – they were the exception, not the rule. The Bears reached the Superbowl with horrible Rex Grossman on the strength of a great defense and Devin Hester’s explosive kick return game. Jake Delhomme got there with the Panthers in a year when the defense picked off McNabb three times, or else it would have been the Eagles during their run.

    Outside of that, what do you see? Elite, or Very Good, QB’s.

    And one could easily argue that without an Elite QB you don’t have a chance to compete for a Superbowl EVERY SEASON. Oh sure, you might appear in **one** due to the strength of the rest of the team, but having an Elite QB gives you a chance to compete EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

    And isn’t that what we’re after?

    Every time I see someone argue about how a defense can win it, or you don’t need an Elite QB, it makes me cringe. Sure, you *might* get there ONCE with that formula. But it is SO MUCH MORE DIFFICULT to compete for a Superbowl every single year with that formula because it is SO MUCH HARDER to keep 45 guys together than it is to keep the same QB!

    If you have an elite QB your chances of winning each year, reaching the playoffs and having a chance to win a Superbowl improve dramatically. And that’s only ONE player you have to worry about locking up long-term, season after season. Keep putting pieces around him; keep putting role-players in place, getting playmakers on all sides of the ball to help. But everything is predicated off the QB.

    Look at Brady. There’s not a better example of this than Tom Brady. The weapons change every year. Who thought that two young TE’s were going to do the damage they did this year for that team? Are they really that great of TE’s? Or does Brady have a large part of that credit?

    Same with Brees, both Mannings and Roethlisberger. The weapons keep changing. Different’ RB’s, different receivers, different TE’s… but the QB’s give those teams a chance to win a Superbowl every season.

    If you don’t recognize the URGENT NEED for an an Elite QB – or at the very least a Very Good QB who has Elite potential (Stafford as an example) – then you don’t understand the game of the NFL as it stands today.

    And this is what concerns me most about PC and JS. Do they understand the need for a QB? Sure, we’re putting “pieces” together. But every year those pieces can turnover (and they will). The QB position is the single-most important factor in determining if your team can win games and win championships from year to year.

    And we have nothing right now. Zero.

    Some of you don’t think a QB is that important? Then ask a Bears fan how much fun it is to have a great defense and great special teams. Ask them how that “formula” is working out in regards to winning championships.

    Or how about the Ravens?

    At some point in time you have to get an Elite or Elite-potential QB and build a team around him. A great team with a void at QB isn’t going to get it done.

  16. GeorgiaHawk says:

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7403655/no-1-ravens-lb-ray-lewis

    What? No Seahawks on this all NFL era list. And no love for the O-line?
    I think we have some players that could make this list if we weren’t so geographically removed from the rest of the world.

    Lynch, Thomas, and Kam would be my picks.

    And this is why I don’t want us picking Couples in the draft! Great players just don’t take plays off! And just as important, imo, is that they inspire their teammates to do the same.

    Although we need a pass rusher really bad, I would rather have a beast like Decastro over a player like Couple’s,(with a buyers beware reputation), any day.
    I wonder if Rang takes the heart of a prospect into consideration when he does his scouting, and mock drafts?

  17. GeorgiaHawk says:

    ChrisHolmes- Thanks! You just saved me a lot of typing. I couldn’t have said it better.
    Now, how are we going to get that very good to elite qb?

    And yes! I will gladly take that one in every 7-10 year Superbowl win with a average qb if that’s how it comes to be.

    We are not alone though, probably somewhere around 20 other NFL teams and their fans are grappling daily with this dilemma.

  18. Personally, I would make every effort to try to get Luck. I’d even trade a few young studs that we already have on our roster who, if I mentioned their names, it’d be blasphemy and I’d be banned and wouldn’t be readmitted until my Great-Great-Great-Great Grandson turns 18 years old and then would still have to wait 150 more years or we actually won a Super Bowl with Luck.

    I’ve never seen great players like Champ Bailey, Andre Johnson, or Adrian Peterson be the sole reasons their teams are (aren’t) in the running for a Super Bowl most seasons, even if they don’t get there. You do see this many times with great QBs (giving their teams a chance to be great since they are. Of course, one problem with Marino was that he took too many crappy teams to the play-offs, they’d end up with a worse draft pick(s), then wouldn’t do anything with those picks and the cycle of mediocrity would continue because he was so great but could only do so much with a bunch of crapolas. You can’t have too many of these type of players, I don’t care how great your QB is, as you’re not winning all the marbles anyways.

    I would be fine with Matt Flynn, who I think can and will turn into a Matt Schaub or Matt Ryan type of player (I still think Ryan has a chance to gradute up a level though). They aren’t elite type of guys like Brees, Rogers, Brady, Rapistburger, or Manning, but they are top 10 type of guys, or guys on the cusp of the top 10. That, I’d be fine with. Matt Hasselbeck was never a top 5 type of guy, but I’d take his 28 year old self back if we had a time machine. He effectively took the ’05 team to the Super Bowl, but, by far to me, his most impressive season was ’07 when his receivers weren’t anything special (not like he ever had very good ones to throw to though), he had no run game, and yet he was good enough to carry the team in spite of its limitations.

    As great as all (except Johnson) those QBs mentioned above were, I guarantee that if I could take two players off of their teams that season they won it all – that they wouldn’t have won it all. If we remove Raji and Matthews last season, I can guarantee Rogers wouldn’t have won it. If you removed Osi and Strahan (or sub Tuck for either) from the year Eli won it that there’s no way they would have beat the Pats.

    Chicken or the egg?

    I’d love a great QB. But I’m okay with a good one b/c I realize how hard it is to get a stud. And, really, if you have a good one and your team is good enough to win it all a time or two, people are going to say that that QB is great (so then you’ll have a great one… lol). The difference between Matt Ryan being a top 10-12 guy, instead of a top 5-6-7 type of guy is two additional teammates like a stud left tackle and a dominant defensive player like Ndamukong Suh or Pat Willis.

  19. Dukeshire says:

    Chris – I didn’t say it wasn’t important. I said you need more than that, as any examination of those QB’s teams you listed, would reveal.

  20. GeorgiaHawk says:

    That depends on what ” so much more means”. The Ravens certainly have so much more then the Patriots, imo. But because they have Brady, the Patriots can win with so much less.

    I believe the Seahawks right now have a more talented team then the Patriots minus the qb position.

    The Colts may be the best example of a team that doesn’t have so much more, however with Peyton Manning they are in the playoff picture year in and year out.

    Of course a team will not make it far in the playoffs without some talent to help their qb, however it has been proven too many times recently that an elite qb can carry a team that would be average or below without him.

    Look what happened to Arizona when Warner arrived. Look what happened to them when he left.

    The Patriots had one of the worst defenses this year and they are in the superbowl.
    The Packers had one of the worst defenses this year and ended up with the best record.

    No, I believe a team doesn’t have to have soooo much more then an elite qb unless where talking about having the refs on your side like the Stealers did.

  21. ChrisHolmes says:

    That post wasn’t so much directed at you Duke as it was some other people – and more generally just to the whole “notion” that you can win a Superbowl without an elite or near-elite QB.

    I mean, sure – you can find exceptions to ANY rule. Doug Williams. Enough said.

    But I don’t want to just have ONE magical Seahawks season. We had it. 2005. The refs robbed us. It’d done and over.

    I want to be like the Patriots or the Colts (with a healthy Manning) or the Saints (and now Packers). Those teams are going to have a LEGITIMATE shot EVERY SINGLE SEASON to go to (and win) the Superbowl based on their QB situation alone.

    Now, does it take more than that? Hell yes, or the Pats would be in the Superbowl EVERY year. It takes 53 guys (and sometimes more, as last year’s Pats and their IR showed us).

    But the bottom line is that it all starts with a great, elite or near-elite QB in this league.

    And I’m with BobbyK – I’d mortgage whatever I thought it would take to get Andrew Luck. He has the makings of a Peyton Manning type QB. Those guys only come along once in a while, but they can be THE cornerstone of your perennial Superbowl contending team for over a decade, as we’ve seen with Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. If you have a chance to take a time machine backwards and pick Manning, Brady or Brees, what would you give up to do that? To know you had THE GUY for the next 10-16 years? One of the truly elite QB’s?

    I’d give up a lot. A whole lot.

    Like BobbyK said (and boy am I ever on the same page with you here man) you don’t see a Champ Baily be the reason his team makes the playoffs.

  22. Dukeshire says:

    I hear you. And to be clear, I’m not devaluing the most important position in team sports.

  23. chuck_easton says:

    While I value the importance of the QB position I don’t realistically see Seattle landing a top tier FA QB or getting a Franchise QB in the draft without dramatically overspending in FA or giving away a boat load of draft picks to move up.

    I don’t see this front office doing either of those options so we will just have to accept that Jackson will be the starter in 2012 and hope the team finds a diamond in the rough in the later rounds that has the potential to develop into the future franchise QB.

    And no, BobbyK, I didn’t say you have to like it, but you are probably going to have to accept it or take a year off for mental/medical health reasons.

  24. chuck, lol! I think if Flynn signs elsewhere BobbyK will need a prescription for some strong happy drugs to get over it! But Bobby started the “sign Flynn” bandwagon on this blog back before anybody was talking about him, I have to say that option is making more sense all the time.

    As far as “accepting that Jackson’ will be the starter in 2012″, I think its a good bet that TJack will be very impressive by next September after an offseason working with his young WRs. Sure we need an upgrade to an elite QB, but Tjack won’t roll over for anybody, and even Flynn will have to work his tail off to outcompete him.

    Actually, Flynn and Jackson competing hard for the starting QB job would be a really great competition to watch next year.

  25. SandpointHawk says:

    Good stuff this morning. If anyone needs a break, here’s my favorite TD from the 2011 season…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf2Lr8ucJw8&feature=player_embedded#!

  26. That was one heck of a TD, Sandpoint. And here’s the rest of them…
    http://youtu.be/Vyh5QoJYJDs

  27. SandpointHawk says:

    Resign Skittles…

  28. SandpointHawk says:

    Oh yeah thanks @Stevos, that rocks to be sure. We need a like button on the blog…

  29. Dukeshire says:

    For all the talk about all the dominant d linemen on the south roster, they’ve done jack against the north o line.

  30. raymaines says:

    Fast forward to March 9th. Peyton Manning is available.

    Assuming a healthy neck, although that’s not a given, should the ‘Hawks sign him to a three year contract, spend their #1 draft pick on a DE and hope to draft a young QB in the next couple of years?

    Manning would give the ‘Hawks the best chance at a Super Bowl in the next couple of years, possibly at the expense of long term success.

    Or do you pass on PM and find that next QB now? This might give us the best chance to be competitive for 10-12 years.

  31. True Duke, for all they hype about Quinton Coples, I have yet to see the guy show the kind of relentless energy it takes to dominate in the NFL.

  32. raymaines, I’d say that Yes, I would pass on Peyton Manning.

    I would pass on any 35 year old QB who just had three surgeries on his spine and keeps insisting that he’ll be ready to play soon. In fact, I’d send him to a good psychiatrist to help him get ready for the terrible shock his ego will soon receive when he finally must admit he’s been deluding himself.

    Few things look more desperate than a great QB past his prime and refusing to retire. I think back to Dan Marino hobbling on his bum ankle at 38 years old insisting he had one more super bowl in him… Brett Favre refusing to retire while throwing INTs and taking sacks left and right…

    Do we really want to watch a declining Peyton Manning playing without his quickness, agility, and range of motion? Do we really want to watch an aging Peyton Manning screaming his lungs out at his team mates on the sidelines while he refuses to accept that he will never again regain his elite physical skills?

    Peyton has had three neck surgeries and a spinal fusion following cervical disc degeneration. This is not a broken arm. Its not getting an ACL stitched back together.

    I ruptured a cervical disc two years ago. An injury like this impacts the nerve root and and entire nerve that runs from your spine to your shoulder, arm, and into your fingers. It took two years to get my strength and coordination back in my right hand, but my fine motor skills will never be the same. The range of motion in my neck is less and will never be the same. And I’m not getting hit by any defensive linemen.

    Peyton has a metal plate fusing his neck vertebrae together. He’ll never swivel his head the way he once did. Maybe he will be able to throw with phenomenal precision he had, but I really doubt it. Maybe he can escape a sack, maybe he can take a hit, or maybe the next time he goes down on the field he spends the rest of his life in a wheel chair?

    Its bad enough to watch athletes past their prime and refusing to retire. To watch someone risk their health because their ego is too big to let themselves retire is even worse. Manning’s ego is as big as they come. Watching him win a few thrilling football games, or even watching him get the Seahawks to the playoffs one time before he retires is just not worth it to me. I hate watching injured old athletes who don’t know how to quit.

    Retire, Peyton. Before you lose your dignity.

  33. “Retire, Peyton. Before you lose your dignity.”

    If he still thinks he can play – then I think it’s a little soon to have that directed toward a guy who went for 4700 yds, 66% completion and 33 TD’s on a mediocre team in the 2010 season.

    It’s a really interesting unique set of circumstances: the major injury, the Colts getting the #1 overall pick, and there happening to be a consensus #1 overall pick QB available in the draft. If any of those things aren’t happening, you don’t pull the plug on the best QB of our era that quickly, but I’m guessing the Colts will do so.

  34. Sorry but Aaron, Ben, and Brad Johnson….none of them are “elite” imo. When have you seen any of them carry their team on their shoulders in a last minute do-or-die drive to win a game? Each of them has won a super bowl not because they are elite, but because they are very good and have (had) a really good team surrounding them. Would I take Aaronor ben on our team? Damn straight I would. But neither are in the same class as Brady, Brees or Peyton Manning. And frankly I think Eli’s become a better QB than Ben.

  35. I’m not sure what more you want from The Rapist here but when they played Arizona in the Super Bowl the Steelers were down late in the 4th quarter and he led them about 80 yards with a little over 2 minutes left in the game and threw the game winning TD pass with about a half minute to go. That’s not worthy of a late game rally in a pressure situation? And what about his play-off comeback against the Ravens in the play-offs last year?
    http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=310115023
    I hate the guy, but he’s good.

  36. GeorgiaHawk says:

    It’s a no brainer on picking up Peyton Manning if he is available. Stevos-You may have had a similar injury of what peyton Manning had but you are not Peyton Manning! Kurt Warner did very well at an older age then Manning is now! So your discrimination against age holds no weight imo!
    Your solution is to hold on to Jackson! How laughable is that?

  37. bulldog80 says:

    Peyton Manning retire? You gotta be $hittin me? Peyton at 30% kicks Tj’s ass every time. If Peyton’s available we need to get him. He can win three superbowls with us before he retires.

  38. hawkfan777 says:

    Duke and Stevos,

    Did you guys watch the same game? Coples was a beast. I watched him in 10 (or so) plays blow by Adams and others. He was actually very good in that game. He had constant pressure througout the whole game.

    I am more concerned with why he shows up in some games and not in others. He doesnt appear to love the sport like other guys do.

  39. hawkfan777 says:

    Bobby,

    I get your point on Rapistberger. He does have some good games. His biggest positive is his size which buys him more time in the pocket because he his harder to get down. However, I dont think he has near the talent that some people think he has. If you watch him in games where he is limited (like against the 49ers), he is below average. He doesnt have the IQ to outthink his competition. I also think back to the superbowl against the Hawks. Can any QB have such a bad game and still win the Superbowl? I have a very difficult time giving him any credit as a good QB.

  40. Brady and Manning ruled most of the last decade as THE “elite” qbs. No question marks there. Brees has joined the fold over the last 6 seasons. The other guys are very, very good and arguably elite. If you got to pick one in his prime as your franchise foundation then it’s probably Brady or Manning and for me I’d pick Brady. Something about PayTron bothers me. Pete Carroll at USC bothered me too but his ability to identify talent has won me over.

    Let’s just say that both Payton Manning and Matt Flynn are available as unrestricted FAs. There is a gamble on Manning’s health and on Flynn’s short resume but I would jump at the chance to land either one. This is how the Saints got so good so fast. They made the big money gamble on Brees who had a questionable shoulder at the time and it paid off in a championship in relatively short order. No draft picks given up and no players traded away. Pete and John know what they are doing and what this team needs. They haven’t found the qb they felt good enough about yet to pull the high price trigger. This is the WIN NOW league and my feeling is that they will go for it this offseason. High $$$ risk for a high reward. No QB is overpaid if you win the big one!

  41. The Rapist shouldn’t even have played in that 49ers game. There was quite a bit of second guessing on that one from many people (for playing him). I don’t mean to defend The Rapist because I’d say out of all players in the NFL that I hate him second most (behind Dockett). Part of how good he is though is b/c he’s a brute and that helps him be effective (probably at raping women too) since nobody can bring him down which buys him more time. It may not be pure talent, but it’s a skill that elevates his game to a pretty high level in my book.

    If Manning is healthy, sure, I’d love to have him but if the doctors weren’t okay with it, then I wouldn’t want that either.

    If we sign Flynn, I think we’re set for about a decade at QB and we can grab three guys for our front seven in the first three rounds of the draft and then I think if two of those three can turn out to be solid contributors in ’12 that we have a legit chance to go to the Super Bowl.

    If we sign Manning, we’re going to still need to draft a QB in one of the top three rounds.

    A healthy Manning would obviously be better for winning it all in 2012 and 2013 and they could still draft their own QB to groom from the ground up. The doctors would really need to be sure though for me to want to sign him.

  42. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    please tell me you are kidding about Manning. the guy looks like he is wearing a halo. almost no movement at all. the last thing i would want is the Hawks to be the team that put him in a wheelchair.

    hawkfan777 couldnt agree more in the drive i watched with coples he had a sack, batted down pass 2 tackles for a loss another tackle oh and a dumbass personel foul. kept thinking what a beast. although his motivation worries me.

    oh and on the manning subject again, really? invest millions in a guy that may last a game? rebuild a team to this level to throw it away on a guy that may or may not play again at his former level.

  43. SandpointHawk says:

    Invest millions in a guy that may last a game? You talking about Sidney Rice?

  44. ChrisHolmes says:

    @Skavage – I only consider five QB’s in the NFL “elite”: Brady, Manning (both), Brees and Aaron Rogers. If you don’t think Rogers is an elite QB then I don’t know what to say to that and you can just stop reading now.

    The rest of the guys who won; very, very good.

    Now, was Big Ben pathetic against the Seahawks in the ’05 Superbowl? Yep. Lowest QB rating ever for a losing QB, 30 points lower than Elway’s pathetic mark that held the record before that. I think Big Ben had something like a 28 QB rating in that game. Seattle’s defense did it’s job, for the most part, save for that stupid WR throw to open the second half where they got fooled on a trick play. We all know why Seattle lost that game – refs, plain and simple. Hasselbeck was the MPV of that game, if Seattle could have won it. The refs robbed ‘em blind. It’s over.

    It takes an Elite or Very Good QB to win Superbowls. And as this league becomes more and more of a passing league, that will only become more and more true.

    As for Peyton Manning… There’s a part of me that really wants to mortgage the future if he’s healthy and try and win-now for the next 3 years with his arm and QB IQ.

    But I’d rather have Luck or Flynn for the next decade.

    Plus, realistically – I don’t see Peyton moving out to the Northwest. I just don’t. I think he’ll take a job with another team on the East Coats. The Jets make the most sense, but I could see Miami as well. I think the Jets give Peyton the best chance to compete for a Superbowl in his final years, and I think that’s where he will end up. I think (could be wrong) that he’s done in Indy. I think Irsay has made up his mind long ago. They’ll pick Andrew Luck and move on…

    Sadly, I think Seattle is going to end up getting shafted out of the whole QB situation because of the way things shook out this year. I think Colts go with Luck, Peyton goes to Jets, and I think Flynn ends up in Miami. Seattle will be without a future star QB and won’t be feel like RGIII is worth moving up.

    Which all makes me slightly upset because we had several shots at Mallet last year and we passed him up…

  45. New York might be a bit cold for PayTron’s neck. Too stiff. Miami would be a better spot for him(please). Warm and relaxing after all those surgeries. If he’s healthy though how could you not want him on your team.

    Going to stay positive while I can. We’ve got a legit shot at landing Flynn and for whatever reason I think we will. Make it happen!!!

    If it comes to the draft Luck would seem well beyond our reach. Foles in the 2nd round might happen. Moore further down. Maybe ASU’s giant in the 3rd or lower.

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