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Carroll says Obomanu ready to play

Post by Eric Williams on Dec. 30, 2011 at 2:22 pm with 59 Comments »
December 30, 2011 2:22 pm

The one question mark for the Seattle Seahawks in terms of injuries was the status of receiver Ben Obomanu heading into Sunday’s game against Arizona.

But after taking most the week off, Obomanu eased coach Pete Carroll’s concerns by making it through the team’s 90-minute workout today without any issues with his strained knee.

“He ran well today,” Carroll said. “He looked fine.”

If Obomanu can play, the Seahawks should have five receivers available on Sunday. Obomanu would start at split end, and Golden Tate would start at flanker.

Linebacker David Hawthorne also returned to practice today after resting most of the week with a knee issue, and he should be okay to play on Sunday.

Both Hawthorne and Obomanu are listed as probable.

Offensive tackle Breno Giacomini (abdominal) and defensive tackle Anthony Hargrove (calf), who both missed practice on Thursday, were full participants this afternoon and should be ready to go, although both are listed as questionable on the team’s injury report.

Also, Cornerback Kennard Cox (hamstring), quarterback Tarvaris Jackson (pectoral), defensive tackle Clinton McDonald (concussion), linebacker Malcolm Smith (concussion) and safety Jeron Johnson (illness) are all probable.

For Arizona, safety Rashad Johnson (knee), quarterback Kevin Kolb (head), running back LaRod Stephens-Howling (hamstring), running back Beanie Wells (knee), safety Kerry Rhodes (ankle) and cornerback Patrick Peterson (Achilles) are questionable.

Cornerback Michael Adams (shoulder) and safety Sean Considine are probable.

Also, the league confirmed a couple fines on Seattle players reported earlier by ESPN’s Mike Sando and Brian McIntyre.

Seattle linebacker Adrian Moten was fined $,7500 for a late hit on San Francisco kick returner Kyle Williams.

Cornerback Richard Sherman was fined $15,000 for a horse collar tackle on Frank Gore.

And running back Marshawn Lynch was fined $10,000 for wearing his Skittles-themed shoes, his second offense in violating the league’s uniform code policy. Lynch was fined $5,000 for wearing rave green socks against St. Louis.

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  1. What was it Trent Cole was fined for his season ending brutality on Okung? Yeah, Skittles shoes are much worse.

  2. Dukeshire says:

    I was just going to comment on that. Or Sheeman’s horse collar was twice as bad as ending a player’s season? That is ridiculous. Another job botched, Goodell.

  3. Wtf? Why was Sherman fined for a horse collar? Isn’t that what the 15 yd penalty is for? Crazy. It wasn’t even a particularly egregious one.

  4. bird_spit says:

    Even live, I was thinking Sherman’s tackle was only borderline horse-collar.. I can understand the penalty, but not the fine.

    As for Marshawn, something tells me he is going to be able to afford those skittle cleats. Big payday coming..

    Moten’s fine..geez I hope an anonymous envelope ends up in his locker. That is crazy.

  5. Is it a horse collar tackle if you grab the jersey near the collar? As far as I could see – and the commentators agreed on the replay – it was pretty much a phantom horse collar. I wish there were some way for a fan to vent constructively. These fines are absurd. (Except for Dockett – they can fine him his entire salary as far as I’m concerned. Well, okay, that’s an exaggeration.) Agree with everyone above.

  6. Yeah, the fine on Sherman is ridiculous. It was a very iffy penalty. I didn’t think it was a horse collar. Since it was called a “horse collar” on the field, does the NFL feel that it must automatically fine Sherman? That leads me to believe that Trent Cole’s fine would have been higher if the ref had flagged him.

    On another note, it’s interesting to me how close T-Jack’s and Hass’s stats are. T-Jack: 60.2 completion percentage, 6.9 ypa, 79.5 QB rating. Hass: 61.5, 6.8, 80.5. It’s Hass’s second highest QB rating in six years. I would have loved to see Hass finish his career in Seattle, but I don’t think the Seahawks would definitely be in the playoffs this year with him at the helm.

  7. There is no comparison between Hasselbeck and Jackson’s stats for the second half of the season (last 7 games):

    Hasselbeck: 60.1%, 1260 yards, 6.4 ypa, 3 TDs, 8 INTs, 65.2 QB Rating
    Jackson: 60.1%, 1313 yards, 7.0 ypa, 7 TDs, 3 INTs, 87.0 QB Rating

    Protection hasn’t been a problem for Hasselbeck as he has only been sacked 5 times in those 7 games.

    It’s not how you start the season, it’s how you finish the season. And Hasselbeck is going into the usual second half tank.

  8. I get tired of the Hass bashing, and will be glad when it’s finally over. Of course he’s not the player he was in his prime, that’s not a big revelation.

    I do like those numbers on TJ – 87.0 QB rating over the last 7 games? That is pretty damn good.

  9. pabs – This quote from you is a lie: “Protection hasn’t been a problem for Hasselbeck as he has only been sacked 5 times in those 7 games.”

    The numbers aren’t the lie, it’s the fact that you have obviously not watched Tennessee play much during this span. He has not sack back in the pocket and consistently had time to throw (as those stats would indicate). I’m not going to claim to have seen every game but I’ve seen plenty of Tennessee this year and have watched enough those last 7 games to know you haven’t watched them and are looking simply at stats and nothing else because the pass protection he’s been getting hasn’t been as good as those stats seem to indicate.

    Matt Hasselbeck actually has a brain in his head and doesn’t take needless sacks consistently. He’s smart enough to get rid of the ball, whereas your boy, Jackson, isn’t smart enough to get rid of it as quickly and has taken way too many needless sacks this season.

    There is an “it” factor with some players, too, and Jackson certainly fails the “it” test. It’s having the ball in a pressure situation and getting results. It’s doing things that won’t show up on your passer rating (like when he gave the free TD to the Bears in the end zone, that was a moron play by an NFL QB, and yet that stupidity can’t be computed negatively in the passer rating formula, so his stats show that he’s doing better than people with brains in their heads can see for themselves). You talk about how Jackson is leading this charge with this great record and I say that the team is winning moreso in spite of him, not because of him. Look at Lynch and that line (and the improved “D”). I give most of the credit where we know it’s due.

    Do you think he’d still be going through the “second half tank” if Kenny Britt were still healthy? Nevermind that Tennessee isn’t as good as some people think they are (zero Pro Bowlers). Matt certainly isn’t a top tier QB anymore, but he’s certainly better than the Junkster we have right now.

  10. Marshawn Lynch was fined $10,000 for wearing his Skittles-themed shoes.

    We need an appropriate response to this. Next year, the Seahawks should come out in Skittles-themed uniforms, head to toe. Rename the stadium Skittles Field. Sell Skittles Fries at half time.

    Except for Kam Chancellor. His uniform should just be one big sign that says “Be Afraid, Mofo, Be Afraid.”

  11. Jackson is not and probably will never be a top tier QB. He is an average QB. On his good days he is somewhat above average and on his bad days he is somewhat below average. He doesn’t have the highs and lows Hasselbeck has. Having an average QB is far better than what the Seahawks have been treated to for the better part of the last 5 years.

    And yes, I have watched most of the Titans games. I watch the DirectTV mix channel on a 10′ screen. With the exception of Kenny Britt, Hasselbeck has had a very healthy offense to play with, especially the OL. Michael Roos is just as good or even better than Okung at this point. He is a stud. The stability and quality of OL play is why Hasselbeck has only been sacked 15 times, not because he has developed some new ability to avoid sacks. Did you ever go back and look at how often he was sacked between 2003-2005 (an average of 32 times)? I have seen the Titans offense looks stagnant with Hasselbeck and all of a sudden Jake Locker comes in and the offense looks magical. Can you imagine Hasselbeck playing behind the instability of the Seahawks OL? He’s had a great OL this year and he can barely look average.

    I haven’t even gotten into the quality of opponents. The only teams the Titans have beaten lately have been the Bucs, Bills and Jags – three bad teams that have been mired in massive losing streaks. And all three of those wins have been by less than 7 points.

    Mike Munchak is a bigger moron that Brad Childress for playing Hasselbeck over Jake Locker at this point. The first time I have ever seen Locker play was in the Atlanta game and he looked pretty good for a Rookie. Its always worth playing the rookie when he is better than a veteran who is near the end of the road.

  12. I am in favor of getting a Top Tier QB, something I haven’t had in my 30 years as a Seahawks fan. The only suggestions I hear on this board are “sign Matt Flynn” and “trade the house for Andrew Luck” because Jackson “sucks.”

    That’s called grasping at straws folks. But I am going to record Flynn’s game on Sunday and do my own breakdown, similar to what I did with RG3 last night and Kevin Kolb and Sam Bradford in the past. Who knows, I might become the co-driver of the Matt Flynn bandwagon.

  13. Then you’ve heard some of the game comments and things that fans have written (like we do here) about how poor the interior line has played (commentors have even made fun of the situation a few times saying that Munchak was a great guard, but his guards aren’t good).

    I’ll give you the Roos analogy. He is really good. I’d take him over any of our guys (minus a healthy Okung, but even then that’d be close). Basically, just because they especially have been healthy, doesn’t mean they have been very good this year. You’d have to agree about the interior OL play being sub-par if you’ve seen most of the games, right?

    On a different note: Chris Johnson certainly didn’t do guys like Lynch any favors by getting paid and then doing what he’s done this year. Wouldn’t you agree?

  14. If you throw a pick, that hurts your passer rating. If you lose a fumble, that doesn’t hurt your passer rating. Jackson is 5th in the NFL in lost fumbles. That’s one reason I think his passer rating is overrated. I don’t see any difference in throwing a pick or losing a fumble. You could lose 10 fumbles in a game, throw 1 TD and 0 INTS and have a good passer rating.

  15. Johnson’s and Lynch’s season numbers and second half numbers have been fairly close. But expectations for Johnson were far higher and Lynch has been far more consistent with an inferior line.

    Locker can make defenses pay for stacking the line but Hasselbeck can not. That’s been the bigger problem for Johnson, not the line.

  16. 1. Make a competitive offer for Luck without doing something too crazy like offering our next 5 first round picks for him (I’d do 3 first rounders and some change though).

    2. Sign Flynn.

    3. Make an offer for a Vikings QB (Ponder would cost more than Webb, which makes sense since I like Ponder better, but I’d rather have Webb than Jackson).

    4. Trade down and draft Tannenhill. From what I’ve seen of him, I like him. My biggest concern is that he’s not going to be ready next year and I want someone ready next year.

    5. Make an offer for Bradford if the Rams end up with the 1st pick and keep it.

    6. Trade up for RGIII. I like him better than Tannenhill, but he’s lower on the list b/c we’d have to trade up to get him, rather than down for a guy like Tannenhill. And I don’t like that he won’t be ready next year and, again, I want someone sooner, not later.

    7. Bring back Matt for a year if we get either Tannenhill or RGIII.

    8. Trade the 49ers 10 1st round picks for Alex Smith. lol

  17. Number 8 sounds like the best value to me.

  18. pabs – the talent is inferior, but the production hasn’t been. You’ve even said yourself how Tom Cable is getting bad players to play like good ones. And all kinds of NFL people have talked about Johnson not having the same speed/burst as last year. Also, some of the commentators have been blaming the interior line just as much b/c there haven’t been consistent holes for the TN RBs to run through.

    Chris Johnson has not been consistent either and has gotten his yards in clumps. He’s gained less than 65 yards a whopping 11 times. That’s nothing like what Lynch has been consistently doing the last few months.

  19. Here’s the thing about T-Jack: We’ve seen him make some really good throws and we’ve also seen him make some boneheaded plays. He made a couple of fabulous throws to keep the ball away from the Ravens in the final minutes of that game. That might as well have been a game-winning drive. He failed in a few other situations. He’s obviously not consistent enough to lead this team to the Super Bowl right now, but he’s been improving and has shown enough to be given a chance next year. I also believe it would be a mistake for the Seahawks to not bring in some serious competition. Everyone knows Charlie won’t be back, so I’m sure PC and JS will go after someone who will challenge T-Jack. I don’t think they should trade up to get RGIII or Luck (though I wouldn’t complain too much if they did). I would prefer that they follow the Niners and draft their own Aldon Smith (if only it were so easy).

  20. raymaines says:

    I don’t have a clue or an opinion about who I want for a QB but here’s what I want to happen. I want PC & JS to identify who they want and go after him big time. Trade up or trade down for a draft pick, throw money at a free agent, whatever it takes. Make a plan and make it work. Hell, I’d be happy with T-Jack if the brain trust tells me he’s the guy. Well OK, maybe I can’t go that far, but you know what I mean.

  21. Dukeshire says:

    Wait a minute; you’re saying that Johnson averaged less than 3 yards a carry going into Tenn’s bye because defenses were stacking the box? That may be, but if Hass couldn’t make teams pay for doing that, why then did he have two 300 yard games, 9 td passes and a passer rating in the 90s during that same period? Of course he took advantage of defenses. Your dislike of Hasselbeck extends beyond irrational. Dude, it’s enough already, let it go. Or at least allow your narrative to be rooted in some facts.

  22. Dukeshire says:

    Oh, and by the way, in games where Locker had more than 1 pass attempt, Johnson’s rushing averages for those games were 1.1, 2.1, and 3.7. Just as a matter of fact.

  23. Its called Kenny Britt catch and run. Did you watch any of those games?

  24. Duke –

    I never referred to Johnson’s rushing average when Locker played, I referred to Locker’s ability to beat those stacked defenses, which he did. What does Locker’s ability to beat those defenses have to do with Johnson’s rushing average?

    And how do you so often cite a limited sample size (the small handful of games in which Hasselbeck “beat” the defenses) to “win” your argument? Why not take the overall body of work or the recent trend? Its ridiculous how you constantly take what I have to say and twist my statement or use a limited sample size to go on an attack. This is another great example. You basically troll for a comment you can twist and then argue your twisted point to prove how smart you are and how stupid the other person is.

    How about in all your tales of your football acumen, you offer to pay me my $10 you owe? You even tried to twist the Carpenter bet when it was worded precisely. Not once, have you offered to pay me my bet. You twist statements, argue very selected points within broader arguments and apparently welch on bets.

    Sounds like someone I want to continue to waste time arguing with.

  25. Dukeshire says:

    I haven’t offered to pay you because I don’t owe you anything. You have conveniently forgotten the Palmer trade bet, which squared us. But please continue to revise history as you have just done with your above argument / response.

  26. Dukeshire says:

    And Britt played only into week 3, what happened after that? Did YOU watch the games? Unlikely…

  27. i think both of you sound a little like ACIB.
    the same stuff week after week. funny how he became so well known for despising a player. a measuring stick for yrs to come..

  28. What about the bet you lost on draft weekend about where Colin Kaepernick would be drafted? He was drafted in the second round and I won that bet. That gives me 2 wins to your 1 win and I am up $10.

    And Hasselbeck had just two games with over 1 TD in the 12 games since Britt went down and 4 zero TD games. The stats you present include the early season games with Britt. He also had 1 big game against Cleveland after Britt was injured where the Browns forgot how to tackle.

    So, whos revising history now?

  29. Hasselbeck has had a QB rating over 80 in just 2 of his past 10 games with over 10 attempts.

    So, exactly who is he making pay?

  30. And to answer your question more specifically about what happened after Britt went down, Hasselbeck threw for 250 yards+ in just 3 of the 11 games he had over 10 attempts. A huge drop in production.

    Did you even pull up a stats sheet before going on your tirade?

  31. Dukeshire says:

    Arguing with you is like talking to a third grader. I have no desire to go up and pull down each of your statements, and the context in which they were made (key), and start making points and / or correcting you. I’m done with your non-sense.

    Oh, and the Carpenter bet. As I recall, we argued about that at the time because like nearly everything else you do, you took your original statement / premise and put it into a new context to suit your needs. I will go back and look that one up however, because I’m not a “welcher” (and certainly not to someone like you).

  32. Wow, so earlier you admitted you lost the Carpenter bet figuring we were even and now that I reminded you we weren’t, you are now questioning the wording of the Carpenter bet.

    Go back and check it – you will see it is very clearly worded. You tried to get out of it by applying your own context but the wording was ironclad.

    I can’t wait to see how you try to get out of even that. This exchange is you at your finest.

  33. confucious says:

    Holy cow, leave the blog for a couple of weeks and it turns into a bad fox reality tv show.

  34. The wording is so easy on this one, let me save you the trouble.

    pabuwal says: Aug. 31, 2011 at 6:57 pm
    Duke – I am willing to bet that Breno Giacomini is the starting RT on opening day, unless he gets hurt before then.

    Dukeshire says: Aug. 31, 2011 at 7:19 pm
    pab – Done.

    That was our only exchange on that board. You started the board off by saying Carpenter would be the opening day RT which prompted that bet on my part.

    It won’t let me post the link. The post was 8/31/11 and it was “Carlson disappointed, awaits shoulder surgery”.

  35. pabs – I remember that exchange but some of that direct quote is misleading without others knowing the proper context. You were saying that Carpenter wouldn’t be starting at RT because of how he had been performing in training camp and we all know that he would have started at RT if not for the Gallery injury which forced the staff to play him at LG in week one (then he moved back to RT until he tore his ACL). You even have to admit that Carpenter, not Breno, would have been starting at RT if not for the Gallery injury. Technically, you were right, he did start at RT on opening day, but you were wrong in the way it happened (he’d actually “win” the RT job). I can’t guarantee it without going back and I’m not looking back so I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure I remember that exchange over a 2-3-4 day period some months ago.

    New Game: You talk about Hutch being overrated and I talk about losing him destroying our OL for years:)

  36. BobbyK – Duke should have clarified with his own comments to the bet when we made the bet. He is a stickler for exactly what is written and then when interpretations are made he cites subjective context and integrity. I tried to make the wording as simple as possible to avoid any debate. Both Carpenter and Breno were healthy for that game and Breno got the start at RT. It wouldn’t surprise me if Breno is the opening day starter at RT next year.

    So, back to Hutch. How many truly great years did he give the Vikings? I think he gave them 3 truly great years (2007-2009), 2 bad years (2010-2011) and 1 average year (2006). To me, that makes him overpaid over the life of his contract. Losing him did hurt the Seahawks OL tremendously because they never found a capable replacement AND a lot of the blockers got old or hurt fast (Tobeck, Gray, Strong, Hannam). That compounded the loss. So I would call him both overrated (again, given that he is thought to be the best Guard of his era and making QB money) and would say losing him killed the OL. He was an incredible football player.

  37. I’m not going there anymore (at least not today).

    All I know is that if Gallery would have played week 1 then we know that Carpenter would have played RT. You know that too.

  38. Dukeshire says:

    Pab- Bobby is 100% right, that exchange is take totally out of context. It is you that has cherry-picked the conversation that best suits your needs.

    I admitted losing the Carpenter bet? I’ll have to see that on writing because I remember arguing this very point with you then.

  39. RADEoN – LOL!

  40. Dukeshire says: Dec. 30, 2011 at 10:46 pm
    I haven’t offered to pay you because I don’t owe you anything. You have conveniently forgotten the Palmer trade bet, which squared us. But please continue to revise history as you have just done with your above argument / response.

    Basically you are saying you lost the Carpenter bet and are even because you won the Palmer bet. What else could you possibly mean?

    So you and BobbyK want to go back through weeks of conversations before the bet and subjectively add on to a very clearly worded bet to create your own interpretation of what the bet was? That’s amazing.

    Guys, I can no longer be part of the drunks at the tavern constantly going back and forth without a little integrity here. I’m out of this board for good. Good luck.

  41. oh no pabs is leaving maybe he’ll have to go sit in his mansion with his 9000 ft TV screen and sleep in his bed of money instead of bickering with Dukeshire over like 20 bucks.

    see ya. don’t let the door hit you where the good lord split you.

  42. Dukeshire says:

    I thought you were still talking about the Kaper. bet. I had completely forgotten the Carp. bet until my memory was jogged. That’s what was meant.

    Again, you are clearly cherry-picking the part of your argument that fits your current narrative.

    You’re out for good? Lol. Yes, take your ball and pout home. As for integrity, perhaps if you stood by your oft stated opinions, regardless how irrational they are (like all of ours are at times) you might find the integrity within yourself that you feels others are lacking.

  43. and for what it’s worth, you entirely meant that Carp wouldn’t be the opening day, starting RT based on skill and progress alone. You bet he couldn’t get the job done. You know it, and everyone else does.

  44. boycie99 says:

    I for one am disappointed Pabs will be leaving this forum.
    I for one felt he had good Football knowledge and put very valid points and arguments across and made this forum an interesting place with lots of debate
    I agreed with a lot he had to say on the more high profile discussions like Hass leaving, returning etc

    I do feel that Bobby and Duke rather ganged up on him not because they agree on everything but more because they feel this is their forum and how dare anyone question their wisdom or thoughts. For far too long ive seen people ridiculed and made fun of because they dare to argue that Tjack isnt that bad or Rice has been a total disappointment this year.

    Lets get back to some proper Football talk and leave the bickering aside. News flasy Bobby and Duke youre not always right and other members are entitled to an opinion.

  45. you can just code a Pabuwal simulator if you want. All it needs to do is disagree with everything everyone says, make Hasselbeck look like shit, and misconstrue others posts.

  46. boycie99 says:


    I dont need a simulator for that, Hass has looked awful of late, the check down King
    Dont get me wrong love the guy and what he did for this Franchise will never been forgotten, but everything has its sell by date and Pete and JS made a great call on Hass…. His performance this year has proven them right

    Now we just need them to make the same call on a franchise QB. I’m in the trade up camp but trade up for RG III…..

  47. i don’t particularly like Griffin.

  48. Dukeshire says:

    boycie99 – I’m sorry to hear you feel that way. I sure as hell don’t feel like this is “my board”. I really do try to be objective and am wrong plenty. That’s for sure. I wasn’t trying to gang up on pabuwal, but he was wrong here. Period. I do realize that I can tone it down and I really would like this to be a place where everone’s opinions are welcome. But guys like pab are essentially trolls who illicit reaction with their outlandish comments. He’s been here a long time and is better than that. He can come back of course, and he probably should, but he needs to know if he’s intentionally inflammatory, he’ll most likely be called out by someone.

  49. boycie – I have been wrong plenty and am not opposed to admitting it when I am wrong. I’ve said many times that my favorite part of the blog is the new ideas and debate that force me to expand my horizons. However, when I feel something is wrong – I’ll say it. An example is T-Jack and his scewed passer rating when I’ve said that he fumbles and loses more fumbles than most other players in the league and yet that doesn’t have an ill effect on his passer rating. Stuff like that.

    pabs – get your ass back here. You know you like being here and we like having you around (at least I do, even though I think some of your ideas are wacky; and some are good, too). It’s a big-little dysfunctional SeahawkInsider family and you’re part of it.

  50. boycie99 says:

    Bobby, Duke

    Appreciate the response and as Bobby put it we are all one dysfunctional SeahawkInsider family and I for one would certainly miss my fix if it wasnt around

    End of the day opinions and views aside we all have one common Interest and thats to see our beloved Seahawks get to the big dance and do what they were robbed of doing in 2005 and win the damn thing.

    As weve all said, a franchise QB, a pass rusher and upgrade on at DT and a bruiser to accompany Lynch and weve got one hell of a chance

    The next few years are going to be fun and exciting as a Seahawk fan and with the Niners playing good football the NFC West might turn the corner and get some recognition.

    Happy New Year all and heres to Health, Wealth and Happiness in 2012 oh and a Franchise QB

  51. Dukeshire says:

    Cheers, boycie99. Yes, dysfunctional. Lol.

  52. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “Guys, I can no longer be part of the drunks at the tavern constantly going back and forth without a little integrity here. I’m out of this board for good. Good luck.”

    He will just change his username and come back at a later date. He can’t help himself so long as Dukeshire and BobbyK are still here. The only two others in his mind that were part of this blog.

    It will be good to take a break from his meticulous ridiculous rants about Jackson being a better qb than Hasselbeck. Lol.

  53. One exciting thing about Mr. Happy and our defensive coaches, to me, is Chris Clemons. He wasn’t an overly good player coming here and was pretty much just a joureyman type. He didn’t suck, but he wasn’t a difference maker. However, our guys saw his skill set and realized/thought that he’d make a decent player at LEO and he has turned out better than anyone expected. I was wrong about him being very good, that’s for sure. It’s possible we could find another of those guys. Maybe it’s in the form of a Manny Lawson type of guy who could come here and provide the added pass rush that we all want. I’m not saying him necessarily (he’s playing SAM in Cincy, but I like his skill set to do a bunch of things a bit like Clemons), but someone under the radar who could come in and get some pressure.

  54. Dukeshire says:

    But, what will we talk about then…?

  55. It’s always good to have a contrarian on the panel, just for the sake of a lively discussion. It’s less fun when everyone agrees about everything.

    But, I don’t see that anyone should have to walk on eggshells to avoid offending someone either.

  56. I for one,the first thing I look for is to see what Duke has to say.I trust him and his comments.
    That discussion did sound like a bunch of little girls playing in the sand box.when they had wet pants.

  57. Palerydr says:

    So pabuwal has left the blog too bad, we butted heads a time or 2 however I will give him his due as he knows the Hawks pretty well and did bring some valid points to the discussions. 1 thing I didn’t bring up in the latest ball skills argument he had against Brandon Browner is he leads the league in passes defensed hardly someone who lacks ball skills deep passes or otherwise. Any CB can get beat due to the fact they play against the best WR in the world it’s gonna happen. As to Bobby and Duke running the blog well I’ve taken some shots at Duke for just that but to me it’s all in fun got to take a few more at Bobby just so he doesn’t feel left out. :)

  58. As long as we find a Good QB in the next year or 2 I am happy.

    I think TJack is a decent place holder. but his deficiancies are not going to go away. They didn’t have anything to do with his injuries.

    Only looking to one side of the field
    Holding the ball too long
    “scrambling” into pressure instead of away from it.

    I liked what I saw in RG3 the other day but wasn’t blown away by him. It was hard to say how great he would be since the Defense he played was SOOOOO poor. and the Running game was more productive than he was. (not a knock just a statement)

    I have a few minor worried about Luck as well. Doesn’t mean he won’t be good or great but we will see.

    I don’t want to morgage the farm for anyone. You HAVE to build through the draft to consistently win in this league. That is why NE has won year after year. (that and getting lucky with Brady) GB has totally built through the draft. Pitt, Balt, Etc.

    Now that we are getting better I hope that Carrol starts to show a little more loyalty to his guys. I still believe that the constant turn over will grow tiresome with players (agents) but it has slowed down.

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