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Carroll: Sidney Rice placed on IR

Post by Eric Williams on Nov. 30, 2011 at 1:21 pm with 43 Comments »
November 30, 2011 2:49 pm

The news delivered by Seattle Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll after this afternoon’s practice was a bit surprising, but understandable.

The Seahawks will place receiver Sidney Rice on season-ending, injured reserve for the remainder of the season after back-to-back concussions in two of the past three games.

Carroll said linebacker Michael Morgan will be elevated from the practice squad to the active roster, and receiver Deon Butler likely will be active for the first time this season since being added to the active roster from the Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) list.

“We have to give him time,” Carroll said. “So he’s going to have to sit for a number of weeks before he’d be able to play anyway. And so we just want to make sure that we take care of him, and don’t bring him back too soon, and get him right.

“He’s been banged up all season, and this is just kind of one more situation we have to deal with. And obviously the concussion is the issue though.”

Rice has dealt with injuries all season. He missed the first two games of the year with a labrum tear in his shoulder, and also has been on the injury report in following weeks with knee and foot issues.

Carroll said he does not expect Rice to have to have surgery to repair his shoulder before next season.

Injuries were a concern when Seattle inked Rice to a five-year, $41 million deal, $18.5 of which is guaranteed.

Rice, 25, missed 10 games in 2010 because of microfracture hip surgery, and has only played a full, 16-game season once in four years.

The year he played a full season in 2009 also was his best as a pro, finishing with 83 catches for 1,312 yards and eight touchdowns, and making his first and only Pro Bowl.

“Here’s what we know – he’s a great player,” Carroll said. “We see the stuff we can do and the impact he can have. And just unfortunately we never got the continuity of getting all of the benefits of his play. And it will happen.”

Currently, Rice is second on the team in receptions with 32 catches for 484 yards and two touchdowns.

“It’s something I didn’t want to have to come up this way for a guy to get hurt,” Butler said. “But I think everyone’s is like, ‘Okay, well it’s another opportunity to just show the other skill guys that we have on this team. There’s a lot of talent on this team, and obviously we’re going to miss Sidney, but there’s definitely a lot of other guys that can step up.”

We haven’t got an official injury report yet, but Carroll did say that David Hawthorne (knee) and Richard Sherman (calf) will have to work out before the game with trainers to make sure they are ready to go.

But Carroll expects both of those guys to play and contribute.

INJURY UPDATE: Byron Maxwell (illness) has been ruled out for Seattle.

Linebacker David Hawthorne (knee) and cornerback Richard Sherman (calf) are questionable.

Quarterback Tarvaris Jackson (pectoral) and defensive tackle Alan Branch (ankle) are probable.

For Philadelphia, offensive tackle King Dunlap (concussion), linebacker Mosie Fokou (ankle), receiver Jeremy Maclin (hamstring/shoulder), quarterback Mike Vick (ribs) and cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (ankle) have been ruled out.

Running back LeSean McCoy (toe) and cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha (knee) are questionable.

Defensive tackle Cullen Jenkins (thumb).

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  1. Personally, I’d rather the Front Office forget about making high priced FA acquisitions down the road. Concentrate on the draft or signing mid level FAs like Alan Branch. They have shown far more ability in finding value in the draft than FA.

  2. After next season, when we have a real QB, we’ll be back on board the Sidney Rice train of what a great pick-up he was. Was he great this year? No. I will admit that. But he is/was still a great addition. Am I worried about the nagging stuff here and there? I wouldn’t be telling you the truth if I answered ‘no.’ However, I’m still thrilled he’s a Seahawk and if I could go back in time and sign him all over again, I’d do it in a heartbeat.

  3. Rice’s biggest issue is ability to stay healthy. He has talent to be a very good (but not elite) WR. Playing just one full 16 game season in 4 years is pretty indicative of his ability to stay healthy. I can’t think of any WRs who had such trouble staying healthy during the first 4 years of their career and suddenly had an injury free career.

    If Rice could have performed to where I think his talent level is, the Front Office would have received equal value to the contract. But with the injuries, the ratio of production to contract may end up as plain dreadful.

  4. Sidney Rice is less than 2 months older than John Moffitt. He’s part of the long term solution.

    He does have the talent to be elite unless you missed his entire ’09 season when he proved he’s elite (when healthy and has a real QB).

    You have every right to be bitter about this injury bug thing though. Personally, I’m confident he’s going to be fine moving forward, but I understand your skepticism.

  5. “After next season, when we have a real QB, we’ll be back on board the Sidney Rice train of what a great pick-up he was.”

    I hope you’re right. I was pretty excited when we picked him up too – but this is a real lost year for him.

    And I know what you mean, but don’t you figure TJ will start next year at QB, assuming we pick a QB early in the draft?

  6. bird_spit says:

    Looking back on this year in the future, will the hawks be more proud that they picked up an expensive Rice or an undrafted Baldwin?

  7. I think Rice will be a major factor in the Seahawks’ success in the coming years. The guy is the most talented WR on the roster. I wouldn’t give up on him too soon. I think this is a good move by Pete. Better to let Rice recover. It also gives the coaches an opportunity to see what the other WRs can do. Let’s see if Tate, Butler, Williams and Obo can step up. We already know what we have in Baldwin.

  8. SandpointHawk says:

    The may still be half full….

    Vince Young to start.
    Jeremy Maclin out.
    Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie out.
    LeSean McCoy questionable.
    Nnamdi Asomugha questionable.

  9. SandpointHawk says:

    The glass may still be half full* The edit on this new blog sucks….

  10. “The guy is the most talented WR on the roster. I wouldn’t give up on him too soon. I think this is a good move by Pete. Better to let Rice recover.”

    Agree with all that. Just hope that guy can stay healthy. Seems like gyys who start getting hurt a lot, keep getting hurt a lot. And he’s not exactly built like Marshawn. I wonder if they’ll shut TJ down for the year at some point too . . .

  11. bird_spit – Was Tom Brady a better value in the 6th round or was Peyton Manning a better value with the first overall pick? I think you kind of answered your own question. Based on value, I’d take Brady in that scenario.

    For the record, I love Baldwin and he’s been having amazing success for a rookie and he’s going to have a great 10+ year career in Seattle, but I don’t think he’s got the ceiling that Sidney does either (which is different than the Brady/Manning scenario above, but you get the point). I don’t see Baldwin being a true #1 like Rice was for Favre in ’09. Again, that’s not to slight Baldwin, it’s to compliment the ability I’ve seen from Rice.

  12. bird_spit says:

    Even if Rice returns to having flashes of elite, if he does not play the season, then his value is greatly diminished. I’ll take a dependable slot guy (aka Bobby Engram) who is young with many more years of perfect route running at any price like we potentially have in Baldwin, than an elite WR who plays half the games.

    FYI..I think Rice was a great pick up. I didnt know that he would be prone to injury at the time of his signing, otherwise I would have been not as enthusiastic back then.

  13. BobbyK, although I agree with most of what you say because you are pretty well informed mnost of the time you are one weird dude sometimes… will go to the ends of the earth to defend Rice when he was absolutely no good whatsoever this year (and not great last year). 1 out of 4 years does not a great player make. yet Rice is a God to you and T-Jack you despise as a player as you have made clear. (I know you said he is a decent human being) He’s had as many good years as Rice. 1. that is ONE. However, I know they play different positions… but seriously they’ve each played about the same over the last 4 years….Rice was just given more of a chance at WR and Tarvaris was given the run around at QB and never a chance to develop beyond 1 year. I am not defending and thinking he is the answer but the guy has shown nothing but toughness, leadership and at times improvement. about the same as Rice except Rice hasn’t shown me toughness. I think i’ve seen 3 or 4 good plays from him this year. how does that make him elite? because Favre threw lights out to him for one year? Think about who was throwing t him. one of the best QB’s of all time. I just don’ get defending one player who hasn’t proven himself yet but is a guaranteed long term sloution and despising another who hasn’t been even given a hint of a chance to prove himself?? it’s just odd to me is all…no disrespect intended…really just typing out loud more than anything.

  14. Rice was dominant in that one year and was voted to the Pro Bowl. I’m still waiting for Tarvaris to have an average season.

  15. edstang45 says:

    Anyone have and Idea of a Qb available in the upper middle of next years draft?? mmm around 10-15 Im guessing. any ideas?? any names out there to look up and/or watch?

  16. For the record, I think all of us have biases and since I’m such a huge Sidney Rice fan… well, you get the idea. And I’ve thought Jackson has been terrible for a half decade and I still see no reason to think he’s good. For the record, I’ll be a big Jackson fan if he’s our #2 QB (and will certainly be behind him 100% if the starter gets hurt). But I will not be a fan if he continues to be the #1 guy because, to me, then I’ll have to endure another worthless season of having no realistic hope to win it all.

  17. GeorgiaHawk says:

    The state of the art facility curse continues!

    At least we haven’t Lost big Red, or Okung! The two that I was most concerned with this season.

  18. nidhighe says:

    Rice averaged 14 starts per season in his 3 regular seasons prior to his major hip injury, then started 6 of 7 possible games in the season after coming back from surgery. He hasn’t been as fragile as some make him sound, although concussions are a concern (this is his third in less than a year). Overall, I still don’t think this was a bad signing.

  19. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Who’s next to go on IR? I say Jackson if we lose to the Eagles.

  20. chrisj122 says:

    As I recall, last offseason everyone on this board was all about getting Sidney Rice and Robert Gallery. I remember reading lots of F.A. wish list and almost always at the very top of those wish lists were Rice and Gallery. Well most everyone got their wish and all I hear is how they are injury prone and how they don’t live up to everyone’s expectations. Well more often than not do high profile F.A. live up to everyone’s expectations and are often considered disappointments. I just find it kind of funny how a player can be considered great 6 months ago and when they become a Seahawk they are considered overpaid and underacheiving.

    Just becareful what you wish for because you just might get it.

  21. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I think it was a bad signing because we had to sign Jackson to get him here.
    This is all turning out the way most Viking fans said it would.

    I just hope the FO can find a qb that we can depend on for years to come in 2012!

  22. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “I just find it kind of funny how a player can be considered great 6 months ago and when they become a Seahawk they are considered overpaid and underacheiving”

    chrisj122- It’s Called the SOTAF Curse. Lol

  23. nidhighe says:

    “I think it was a bad signing because we had to sign Jackson to get him here.”

    Jackson wasn’t a bad signing, either, unless you wanted the team to pay through the nose in draft picks for Kolb or Palmer, or have Whitehurst start.

  24. Heaven forbid resigning Matt Hasselbeck and potentially making the play-offs again. Or at least still having hope this season so we don’t have to waste so much of our in-season talking about the off-season. So, yes, it was a bad signing.

  25. freedom_X says:

    Since Rice is on the roster, I’m going to hope for the best. Hopefully, as Edwin Bailey might have put it, Rice is just suffering from “buzzard luck” and the odds are that he’ll stay healthy in the future.

    Despite the number of games he’s played though, the health issue comes up because of the fact that he’s only had one good out of 5 counting this season. Rice defenders would always say it’s because he was hurt. So either way, it’s an issue – either he’s not a reliable big time producer, or he can’t stay healthy. It’s what I worried about before they signed him.

    While I see some flashes of talent that make people put him on a saint’s pedestal, and he’s not in a good situation with the QB and O-line woes – I’ve also seen him drop more passes than an elite receiver should ever drop. And if you’re an elite receiver, you have to lift your offense, not be limited by it. (see: Larry Fitzgerald.)

    I do like that Rice seems to be a hard worker and a solid team leader as far as I can tell. So I really do hope it’s all health related, and next year, he’ll be at the health level he needs to be at to deliver all season. I’m considering him a future investment that I hope will pay off when the other pieces (O-line, QB come around.) But I don’t think he’s the must-have difference-maker that some people made him out to be.

  26. I believe Hasselbeck would be the right man to lead the Seahawks to a 7-9 division title. He is going to end up this year at 7-9 playing in the worst division in football. And as usual, he looks awful against any decent team.

    What has changed here?

  27. You’re right. Sign a guaranteed crappy player to play that position and hope for the best. What a great idea! Not even an upgrade of talent at almost all of the offensive positions could even make Jackson look as good as you hoped he’d be. It’s good to see you’ve come to your senses and deserted the island though.

  28. I’m not married to Jackson like you are to Hasselbeck. If Jackson isn’t the guy, then I simply move on.

  29. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “Jackson wasn’t a bad signing, either, unless you wanted the team to pay through the nose in draft picks for Kolb or Palmer, or have Whitehurst start.”

    nidhighe-I do not want our team to pay through the nose in draft picks unless it is for Luck or perhaps Barkley. We had many other options this year to aquire a qb! We drafted Carpenter #1 and he comes in over weight and mentally inferior to take hold of his position! There were several rookie qbs,Imo this year that we could have drafted with some upside.
    Or we could have done the no-brainer thing and simply resigned Hasselbeck!
    If you want to be part of a losing team year after year then by all means take Jackson.

  30. Why didn’t Hass sign the deal he was originally offered before the draft? Come on BobbyK…Matt has to have some accountability as well for not signing the deal he was originally offered.

    What did he end up costing the titans..something like $21M over 3 years whereas Tjack was $8M over 2 years (so was Whitehurst I think)?

    Was Kolb worth his contract?
    Was Carson worth 2 high draft picks AND an above average salary?
    Like McNabb?
    Was Fitz in Buffalo worth all his DO-RE-ME?

    Anybody can be an armchair QB (as many are here) about Dalton and boy, he does really look like the right deal, but I believe Miami, Oakland, San Francisco, Minnesota, Tennessee, Jacksonville, Washington and Cleveland ALL missed on him too?

    Think it’s easy being an NFL coach or GM? Should Belicheck been canned when he drafted Brandon Tate or Laurence Maroney or the little CB out of Connecticut with their high draft pick investments?

    Do any of you really believe our present situation is worse than having Ruskell or Ferguson? I mean, the almighty Mike Holmgren was even stripped of his GM duties (see Lamar King, Chris McIntosh, Jeremy Stevens).

    You BOO-didleys are ridiculous at best.

    It’s a lost season, granted but damn.

  31. Every GM has made bad picks. Every armchair QB has suggested to do dumb things. Every GM (some more than others) has made some good picks (even Matt Millen was smart enough to take Calvin Johnson) and most armchair QBs around here have suggested something that turned out better than what the organization did. We’re entitled to debate, look back, second guess, etc. If you hate it that bad, just quit reading this garbage because that’s what we do around here. We talk about our likes, dislikes, opinions, etc. If we couldn’t or didn’t talk about that, what would there be left to talk about?

  32. nidhighe says:

    “Heaven forbid resigning Matt Hasselbeck and potentially making the play-offs again.”

    Matt in 2010: COMP%=59.9 TD%=2.7 INT%=3.8 YPG=214.4
    T-Jack in 2011: COMP%=59.1 TD%=2.9 INT%=3.9 YPG=206.5

    So, really, T-Jack so far is playing about as well as Matt did last season, bad pec and all.

    Matt is playing better this season with Tennessee, but there was no guarantee he would play as well here with our O-line.

  33. nidhighe says:

    “We had many other options this year to aquire a qb! We drafted Carpenter #1 and he comes in over weight and mentally inferior to take hold of his position!”

    I was disappointed when Andy Dalton’s name wasn’t called, but can anyone really fault the team for drafting O-line first?

    “Or we could have done the no-brainer thing and simply resigned Hasselbeck!”

    He played about as well last year (the Saints game aside) as T-Jack is this year, so why spend twice as much money on an aging QB who isn’t your future?

    “If you want to be part of a losing team year after year then by all means take Jackson.”

    For this season, it didn’t matter if our QB was Matt or T-Jack. At best, maybe we win an extra game or maybe two with Matt, but that doesn’t affect our future any more or less than having T-Jack as the starter because neither Matt or T-Jack are long term options for any team.

  34. Look at the surrounding talent. Do you seriously think that surrounding talent is not a factor in the success of a QB? Jackson has better WRs, a better TE situation, and with Okung staying healthy and Unger solidifying the center position, the offensive line has been in better shape than last year, too (even with someone as bad as Carpenter playing). There are plenty of sacks that have happened this year because the QB had no pocket presence and took needless sacks (that a smart veteran simply would not have taken).

    Look at Matt’s stats when Kenny Britt was healthy and then after he tore up his knee. Matt was putting up 300 yard games with regularity early this season because teams had to gameplan for Britt and his explosiveness and Matt was getting him the ball (and it was opening things up for everyone else, too). He’s a top 10-15 type of WR (although not a Future Hall of Famer). Look at Matt’s stats after Britt went down. Who does he have to throw the ball to that is legitimately as good as what Jackson has had? I mean, all he had last year was BMW and this year Williams can’t do anything because he doesn’t have a QB and they don’t have to go to him because there are so many better options than last year.

    There’s no way anyone can tell me that the Packer offense is as explosive this season for Aaron Rodgers if Greg Jennings and Jordy Nelson were replaced by Logan Payne and Courtney Taylor.

  35. nidhighe says:

    “Look at the surrounding talent.”

    I am. That’s why I think we win an extra game or maybe two with Matt, but why overpay for an aging QB who isn’t the long term answer if he’s not going to significantly impact your team now?

    “There are plenty of sacks that have happened this year because the QB had no pocket presence and took needless sacks”

    T-Jack was still under heavy pressure, even if he could have avoided some of the actual sacks. Matt made terrible decisions that last couple of seasons when he was under heavy pressure, even if he avoided some sacks.

    “I mean, all he had last year was BMW and this year Williams can’t do anything because he doesn’t have a QB”

    BMW has the same QB that Doug Baldwin has. Baldwin finds ways to get open, and he’s only dropped 1 pass all season. Can you say either is true for BMW?

  36. Soggybuc says:

    Matt is done in Tenn at the end of the year, no way in hell the Titans are going to pay his escalator. if Matt is un willing to take the Brunell route and take a cushy low paying back up job he will go un employed next season.

    Can we please stop with yea but if only Matt talk please?
    may as well argue if Van Halen’s song writing would have been better if David lee Roth had never left.
    Or that Crazy Train would have been an even bigger hit with Tony Iommi on guitar.
    or if Paris Hilton had not gotten a TV show the medium was doomed.

  37. HawksOrFan says:

    I would agree with BobbyK I believe rice can be a great reciever, but look at the offseason with the lockout how many injuries this year might not have happened if the players had been able to get in the training rooms.I think Carrol believes Rice will be great for this team, if he didn’t he wouldn’t have IR’d him.

    I believe Matt is where he wanted to be, on a team that he could start for.

    Jackson is a stop gap at best till we get our QBOTF

  38. How will TN pay his escalator when year 1 of his contract was the year he was going to earn the most?

  39. HawkyHann says:

    Cal Bears- talking to Marshawn, Forsett, Mebane, Morrah. Do your part and recruit D. Jackson to Seattle. I think he’s done in Philly and Vulcan has no problem writing checks. Seattle has the money you want, come on down. This is a play maker who can blow the top off.

    In TN for business. The Hasselbeck’s are lighting the X-Mass tree on Friday with the Mayor and Vince Gill.

    Sidney is not playing tonight, that’s weird. When is he going to have his shoulder surgery? You know that’s coming next, right?

  40. Dukeshire says:

    I believe Carroll said the shoulder won’t require surgery.

  41. I was not sold on Dalton coming out so I can’t say that I was disappionted that his name wasn’t called. but I did think he was better than Gabbert!!

    Here was a guy who really didn’t do anything in college. Won decent amounts but did he elevate his team. I believe he played in the spread, again what QB’s have made a good transition to the NFL from the spread. It’s like the old wishbone QB’s. (yes there may be a few – but many do not)

    That is the same reason RG3 scares me to death! He may end up being great but . . . and there is a great history showing he has a hill to climb to be a good NFL guy. That is why I like Barkley and Luck. More NFL ready although the Oregon and USC games for Luck do concern me about how he played and responded. Playing the common opponents this year Barkley has better, yards, TD’s, and Int’s than Luck so I don’t get all the hate there as well.

    Guys I am not sure about but put up good numbers, Foles, Tannehill, Can they be NFL guys, do they have the arm strength to make the deep passes and the ability to read defenses, (which is where the spread guys seem to have problems) add Durability and that is what concerns me about QB’s – oh and guys that can forget a bad play or game.

  42. On the bright side,we have room for that WR that broke his leg last year.

  43. My effing jersey. The hell.


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