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Morning links: A history of yellow flags

Post by Eric Williams on Nov. 29, 2011 at 6:35 am with 32 Comments »
November 29, 2011 6:42 am
Seattle Seaahawks head coach Pete Carroll. (Dean Koeppler/TNT)

My story today focuses Seattle head coach Pete Carroll’s issues with yellow flags starting back in his days at USC. The Trojans led the Pac-10 in penalties two of his last three years at USC.

USC led the Pac-10 in penalties in 2007 and 2008, with an average of eight a game.

From 2004 to 2009, Carroll-led teams were the fourth-most penalized team in the Pacific-10 Conference, averaging seven penalties per game for 61.44 yards.

That trend appears to have carried over to the NFL. The Seattle Seahawks are No. 2 in the NFL in total penalties with 105 for 814 yards, four penalties behind league-leader Oakland (109).

Seattle’s 105 penalties already surpassed the team’s total number from last year when Seattle finished with 101 penalties for 890 yards, 11th in the NFL.

The Seahawks are on pace to total 153 penalties this season, which would easily eclipse the franchise record of 128.

Carroll has held himself accountable for the miscues, but still wants his team to remain aggressive.

“This is a very aggressive, young bunch of guys,” Carroll said. “They are buying in to playing hard, tough football. And unfortunately, it worked against us in this game, and we get out of there without a win that we could have had. … I like the way that they are playing. And I’m going to encourage them to keep playing tough and physical.”

Clare Farnsworth of Seahawks.com takes a look at what went right and what went wrong in Seattle’s loss against Washington.

Danny O’Neil of the Seattle Times notes that Tarvaris Jackson’s passing yardages has decreased the last four games, and that it might be hard for him to get ready for Thursday’s game against Philadelphia.

ESPN’s Mike Sando wonders if it’s time for the Seahawks to try Josh Portis.

Scott Johnson of the Everett Herald continues his Game of My Life series with a profile on former Seattle Seahawk defensive backKeith Simpson.

Rob Rang of NFLDraftScout.com has Seattle selecting Texas A&M QB Ryan Tannehill at No. 12 overall in his latest mock draft.

Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll will be on the NFL Network today at 4 p.m. Pacific time to talk about his team’s Thursday night contest against Philadelphia.

The Florida Times-Union reports that that Jacksonville Jaguars have fired head coach Jack Del Rio.

Les Bowen of the Philadelphia Daily News writes that Eagles disastrous may lead to the team blowing up the roster.

You probably have seen this already, but check out former rivals from the Canadian Football League, Joe Kapp and Angelo Mosca, as they meet to patch up their grudges dating back to the 1963 Grey Cup game when Kapp believed that Mosco deliberately injured a teammate.

The 73-year-old Kapp offers the 74-year-old Mosca an olive branch, but he refuses and a fight ensues.

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  1. Dukeshire says:

    A buddy told me about that and I forgot to check it out. Incredible! Lol. That is awesome.

    The problem with all the penalties aren’t the ones that stem from “playing tough and physical”, they’re the ones rooted in carelessness(I’m not going to run down the list again, I think we all know what they are by now). They simply have to end. If a player like Golden Tate, with his already reduced playing time due to his failure to play disciplined, is jumping off-sides, you know there’s a real problem. If he can’t hold his water in his already limited opportunities, that tells me there are few repercussions for these things.

    And Eric, what’s with the pictures the past two days? They both look like old black and whites that were colorized. Last I checked, Pete doesn’t have yellow hair.

  2. HawkfaninMT says:

    Anyone want the Hawks to take a look at jared Gaither? Just waived by KC. Maybe Cable can whip him into shape and plug him as the future at RT? Not sure of his age, but i think he is relatively young. If Cable could get him to play to his potential and Carp can move to LG, this could have the potential for a nice boost to our already improving OL

  3. williambryan says:

    I think you’re wrong, Duke, about Golden Tate’s “false start.” He was flagged for illegal motion, and I believe Jackson has to take at least some of the blame for that. He sent Tate in motion but waited too long to snap the ball disrupting Tate’s timing. Now Tate needs to be aware enough to not go forward anyways BUT I get the feeling that the times they practiced that play in practice, the ball was snapped before Tate would have to go forward.

  4. HawkyHann says:

    Great article, Eric. I did not konw his past history problems with the yellow flags. Pete can’t get a grip on the penalties or his QB situation. I have a bad feeling about Thursday nights game. One more month of Tarvaris, and hopefully that will be it, forever.

  5. Eric – were you able to look up the penalty rankings for the 1994 Jets and the 1997-1999 Patriots? I seem to remember his tenures being criticized for a lack of discipline, but this was 10-20 years ago so I could be wrong.

    For the Josh Portis people I may be able to help. Here have been my last 3 starting QBs over the past 3 weeks on my Fantasy Football team -

    Matt Schaub
    Jay Cutler
    Matt Leinart

    3 straight weeks and 3 straight season ending injuries. This week I will be starting Tarvaris Jackson. It’s either him or Blaine Gabbert.

  6. Dukeshire says:

    williambryan – Right you are. Illegal motion. He inexplicably jumped forward when the snap didn’t come, presumably when he anticipated it. I stand by my general point however. Got to wait until it’s snapped. He can come to a stop if necessary. But you’re right, that’s the play I’m thinking of, in any case…

  7. GeorgiaHawk says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OHzrHHnhk8

    Kapp is full of Krapp! It doesn’t look to me that Mosca intentionally tried to hurt the runner. It kind of looks like his foot hit the runners head as his body sailed over him.

    And what a coward Kapp is to start something with a guy who can hardly walk. Then he kicks him in the head when he is down.
    I would like to have seen Kapp try this on Mosca 20-30 years ago!

  8. Pabuwal: I did.

    1994 Jets — 95 penalties for 754 yards, 17th overall.
    1997 Patriots — 99 penalties for 845 yards, 18th overall.
    1998 Patriots — 108 penalties for 853 yards, 20th overall
    1999 Patriots — 95 penalties for 812 yards, 25th overall.

  9. “USC led the Pac-10 in penalties in 2007 and 2008, with an average of eight a game.”

    Seems only fair to note that they won the Pac-10 both years, and were ranked either #2 or #3 in the nation at year’s end of those seasons.

  10. mojjonation says:

    Coach RARA had the talent to overcome penalties at USC. At the pro level, he apparently hasn’t had it up to this point.

  11. Nobody would claim that Baltimores Defense is not aggressive – but how many PF or fines do they have? Pitt? Harrison had a ton and wow after the fines kept coming he quit with the bad hits.

    It’s not the aggression that causes the penalty – it’s the lower the head and hitting instead of wrapping up and tackling!

    At USC Carrol could continue to win because they had better talent. Now they dont – something has got to give

  12. HawkyHann says:

    Pete needs to embrace the IBM philosphy and surround himself with talent. Hire these guys:

    Del Rio-D. Coordinator
    Norv Turner- O. Coordinator

    Thanks misdirection Gus and WR screen pass happy Bevvell. We wish you best in your future endeavors. BTW- Bevvell is a complete joke.

  13. Seems like Carroll’s 1990s teams weren’t that heavily penalized. Those were veteran teams he inherited. Last year’s patched up veteran Seahawks team wasn’t very heavily penalized either.

    Leads me to believe that the youth and the team basically being constructed in a short period of time is the reason for the penalty problem rather than Carroll’s NFL teams lacking discipline.

  14. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Detroit is now feeling the pain of undisciplined play by Suh! Ouch!,(2 game suspension), in the midst of a playoff chase.

  15. HawkfaninMT says:

    HawkyHann… I actually agree with you!

    I really don’t mind Gus. But to get Norv here, and right when we are getting ready to draft a QB, would be a dream for me. I would actually prefer to hire him as a QB coach and just pay him like an OC. (Not my money anyways!)

  16. It’s really all one the offense. It may not seem like it b/c we watch our team so closely, but our defense is not highly penalized compared to the rest of the league:

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/downs/sort/totalPenalties/position/defense/order/false

    And note that there are some very good defenses up near the league leaders in defensive penalties.

    And re the offense, we have new and very young starters all over the place. It needs to be improved upon, but it shouldn’t be a huge surprise.

  17. HawkfaninMT says:

    I will say that one advantage to having an owner with deep pockets is that there isn’t a salary cap on coaches salary. Why not get the best and brightest? Of course that’s assuming PA is willing to spend the dough, even if it is overspending to some degree.

  18. GeorgiaHawk says:

    pabuwal- agreed! That’s why Holmgren didn’t like playing rookies or untested players much. They had to sit and learn instead of being thrown out into the Lions den.

    I say we make Big Red, and Okung our captains then see how much trash talking the other team does at mid field before the game!

  19. FleaFlicker says:

    I agree with Sando – TJac is getting worse, not better, from a health standpoint. No point in aggravating his injury for an extra win down the stretch. We’ve got nothing to lose by putting Portis under center. Maybe he wouldn’t become the starter, but a few games under his belt would help him as the #2 next year.

  20. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Why not go after Keith Butler? I Know he is in line to take over for Dick Lebeau, however he did play 10 years for the Seahawks! If only the Seahawks could swoop in with some Allen cash before Lebeau retires and steal Butler from the Stealers! Wouldn’t that take away a little sting from 2005, and give us a proven defensive coach as our new defense coordinator for years to come?

    Butler moved to the Pittsburgh Steelers in 2003, serving as linebackers coach. He has been extremely instrumental in mentoring the development of the Steelers’ renowned linebacking corps. His linebacking experience has helped the Steelers consistently lead the NFL in rushing defense, total defense, and sacks. For example, the Steelers have ranked in the top five for total yards allowed in six of the eight seasons Butler has served, and never worse than the top ten. Similarly, the Steelers have ranked in the top five for rushing yards allowed in seven of the eight seasons Butler has served, only ranking twelfth once in 2003. [2]

    Butler has been influential in the development of Pro Bowl linebackers Joey Porter, James Farrior, Lawrence Timmons, LaMarr Woodley, and James Harrison. Harrison, in particular, improved from an undrafted practice squad linebacker into the NFL Defensive Player of the Year under Butler.

  21. I hate to say it, but if they lose this game they should just play Portis for the rest of the year. Most likely he shows he is not the QB of the future and plays the Seahawks right into getting one of the Top 3 QBs (Luck, Barkley or RG3) or he shows he is the QB of the future and allows the Seahawks to look elsewhere.

  22. williambryan says:

    Duke, Your general point is correct. And in that particular case, of course Tate should have been able to prevent himself from committing the foul, but It’s easy to see and understand why it happened.

  23. FleaFlicker… I agree about Portis…. Here’s my late post on the prior post subject….
    Assuming we do not have CW around next year(I’m assuming not) , I also want to see Portis get some play time this year….. If he really isn’t what we saw in the (limited) preseason, thinking ‘out of the box’, we may be in the draft for more than just one QB…. On the other hand, if he is actually progressing, perhaps more than we here on the blog are aware, perhaps we don’t need to draft a QB with our first pick, or ‘trade up’, or ‘stretch’ our pick (to get a QB)…..

  24. comPete had veteran teams who should NOT have committed penalties with the Jets and Pats as much as they did (they were still always in last half of the NFL with respect to penalties). That’s not impressive and it’s a glaring weakness for him to try to improve upon this off-season. Players need to improve each year (or try to) and the same is true for coaches and this is his area he needs to reflect on and get better at. I don’t mind aggressive penalties, it’s the mental penalties that drive me nuts. We have too many of these. For the record, an aggressive penalty where you hit a guy 5 yards out of bounds is more of a mental penalty in my opinion, too.

  25. I wonder if we’d sign Flynn AND draft Tannenhill in the 1st round?

  26. GeorgiaHawk says:

    And aggressive penalties where you pile on clearly after a play, right in front of all the Zebras to see is,(imo), more of a mental penalty or mental moron penalty!

  27. HawkyHann says:

    HawkfaninMT-Paul Allen has no problem spending..either does Vulcan. Norv would be the best thing to happen to this team, as the OC. We need proven reputable coaches. We’ll have competition from other teams though.

    I live in San Diego and listen to friends ridicule the guy as head coach but they all agree, he should just be the OC, not head coach.

    Bradley should work under Del Rio. His overall rankings since he has been the DC are not impressive.

  28. Personally, I don’t have a problem with either of our coordinators. I think it would be hard to be a defensive coordinator in the NFL if you only had one guy who could really rush the passer (Clem). And if I were an offensive coordinator who had to go through the first half of the season with no running game or quarterback, well, that would suck. Bevell is so much smarter at his job than any of us armchair QBs will ever be but I’m pretty sure that most of us would be “better” offensive coordinators than him if you gave us Aaron Rodgers over T-Jack, Jake Long over James Falsestartpender, and threw in Greg Jennings over BMW. We simply don’t have enough elite talent yet in the form of pass rushers or a good enough offensive line and QB to take advantage of our elite talent at the offensive skill positions (RB, WR, TE).

  29. SeahawkFan12 says:

    I really wish people would quit referring to RGIII as a “top 3 QB”. He’s a second rounder. Tannehill is interesting; I haven’t seen much out of him so I’ll take Rang’s input with the usual grain of salt. Still love to see Barkley in Seahawk blue…

  30. nidhighe says:

    Bevell and Bradley aren’t the problems. Look at the numbers Bevell’s offense put up when he had Favre in top form in 2009. Bradley is running the defense Carroll wants him to.

  31. williambryan says:

    Some coaches get too much credit for sure but some coaches deserve it. Childress was calling the plays in minnesota, not Bevell. When you get a good coordinator it can make all the difference. Look at Wade Phillips. Houston’s defense went from 31st in the league last year to being ranked 1st right now! They signed a good corner and got a good dlineman in the draft (and lost there best defender, mario williams, early in the year) but somehow I get the feeling that Bradley wouldnt have been able to do make that same turnaround. I have very little confidence in Bevell and Cable. I had a lot of confidence in Bates.

  32. Bradley isn’t the problem – I agree with that.

    Bevell isn’t the problem – I do not agree with that.

    Bradley is running Carroll’s defense, other than blitzing on a 3rd and 18 (which exposed Browner’s limitations on the deep ball) with a two-score lead, the defense was called well (Browner was in position though, so you need better execution by Browner on the play too). Concerning execution, the linebackers were horendous (way too aggressive against the play action – which does raise questions about gameplanning). I also learned an interesting fact about Grossman: He is fantastic against the blitz… our D-coord should know that… just sayin’

    Bevell’s play calling was very suspect AND Jackson’s execution was poor. That means we relied on Lynch creating favorable down/distance, Baldwin’s ability to get open EVERY play, and Rice winning his matchups consistently (prior to injury). The playcalling on the two 4th qtr drives following WAS TDs in particular were terrible. With a 3 point lead, we needed to grind it out like we did vs NO in ’10, and vs Baltimore two weeks ago (using the pass to set up favorable rush lanes) and throw some on 1st downs. Nope, not even gonna try that… run, run, pass, punt. Then – 15yd penalty, run, pass short, incomplete (PI?), punt while down 3. No imagination, made it easy for Washington on those two drives to diagnose exactly what we were going to do. The last two drives, the playcalling isn’t even a factor because Jackson couldn’t have completed a handoff, he was so scared to fail.

    Disappointing play calling errors by both the offense and defense hurt us bad in the 4th in this one. Though Bradley generally called a good game (and his biggest mistake still left the defender – Browner – in position to make a play).

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