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Seahawks fall to 2-6 after 23-13 loss to Dallas

Post by Darrin Beene / The News Tribune on Nov. 6, 2011 at 1:03 pm with 35 Comments »
November 6, 2011 1:13 pm

Well, that wraps up another Seahawks loss – this one 23-13 to the Dallas Cowboys.

The Seahawks are now 2-6 half way through the season. Besides the losses, are you tired of… .

…. the offense settling for field goals? What is it with Seattle’s pro teams struggling to score? This game reminded me of so many Seahawks games in recent history, and just about 85 Mariners games this season. Defense is great, but at some point you’ve got to score.

…. DeMarco Murray. Wow. That guy looks pretty good. He sliced the Seahawks allegedly strong run defense for 139 yards.

… of sideline shots of Rex Ryan. The Dallas Cowboys’ defensive coordinator is Ryan, or did you know that? Geez… the guy gets more air time than those stupid Fox robots.

…. Tarvaris Jackson making crazy throws. His three second half picks – one thrown into a mosh pit,  another just chucked up for grabs and then the last forced into coverage – are the kind of throws that make you think he’s never going to get it. Look, he’s tough – the guy takes abuse and still keeps going – but he’s got to stop slinging the ball around like he’s Brett Favre.

…. Of Robert Gallery committing holding penalties. Two big holds in the second half were momentum sapping. For that matter, the whole team needs to learn to stop being sloppy because the penalties, 10 for 88 yards against Dallas, are killer.

… the Seahawks wasting timeouts early in the third quarter? Although I guess that’s only important if you are close enough at the end to actually need the timeouts.

… of seeing the Seahawks ignore Zach Miller? While with the Raiders, Miller was one of the premier pass-catching tight ends in the AFC. Now, he’s practically invisible in the Seahawks offense. What gives?

The positives? Yeah, there were some:

• The offensive line was not horrible. Sure, they could have been better but they didn’t get creamed by DeMarcus Ware and they actually opened some holes for Marshawn Lynch.

• Lynch. Yeah, that’s more like it as he recorded the Seahawks’ first 100-yard rushing performance of the season. The Beast Mode was in full effect, and he ran for 135 yards and the team’s only TD.

• Mike Williams. The often-injured receiver got back on the field today and had three catches. You can imagine a healthy Williams with Sidney Rice and Miller being formidable trio.

So I’ll throw it open for your comments while Eric gathers info in the locker room. Share with us what you’re tired and give us your analysis of the Seahawks’ first half of the season.

Leave a comment Comments → 35
  1. Well, I still think that last one by Baldwin should’ve been called a completion, he is a positive. Lynch played really well, that puts my “draft Trent Richardson” thought on hold for a bit, now I’m more about Morris Clayborne and Dre Kirkpatrick, if we can’t get the right QB.

    The only thing we seem to do consistently is stupid penalties, and it’s infuriating to watch.

  2. I’d also like to add that draft day can’t come soon enough, this is another season that I just want to be over already..

  3. nidhighe says:

    Our O-line was better today. 135 yards for Lynch, only 1 sack was given up, and Ware was held without a sack.

    T-Jack made some really bad throws, but still looked better than Whitehurst, so what can you really do except wait for the 2012 draft.

  4. 2 comments:

    1. Weren’t we saying the same thing about Carlson being invisible last year?

    2. If one was to look at the box score without having seen the game, on paper the 3 int’s are the entire difference.

  5. pabuwal says:

    Jackson played poorly. He needs to practice every day this week.

    Dave Arnold would be proud of this Special Teams, getting 2 FGs blocked today. Unbelievable.

  6. Im tired of the lack of discipline from the top down, from the wasted time outs because we dont have the right players on the field or they dont know the play, to the infuriating penalties, geez two punts in a row we make the same mistake running out of bounds.
    Pete needs to stop this and force some discipline into this team and quick, we are not good enough giving teams 80 or 90 yards a game.

    Yes theres young, raw and playing tough but sometimes you need to play smart and thats what i never see from Pete and thats not only what im tired of but what im scared of

  7. I have not yet watched the first 3 quarters, so I only have what was just checked in the live chat and the game stats.

    Seeing 10 penalties again is probably the biggest thing that I can comment on with certainty (without having seen 45 minutes of the game). This is an utter joke. I don’t care if it’s a young team either. Too many of these penalties are happening over and over. One penalty is fine with a young team, but to keep repeating them time and time again is unexcusable. If you’re not a good/smart enough coaching staff in that area to figure out how to eliminate penalties, maybe you should have your scouts pay more attention to players who simply do not committ many penalties in the previous level. Something has to be done.

    It was weird to look at the stats and see that we held the ball for over half of the game. Did the defense just look that bad today? The rushing yardage couldn’t have been b/c they were on the field too long with the TOS the way it was. I didn’t think it was possible for a team to run over our guys that bad?

  8. fivecardstud says:

    Ya well I didn’t expect much. I think for having a college QB, a college recievers and especially with a college coach they did pretty good against an NFL team. Until the Seahawks get serious about hiring NFL qualified players and coaches instead of just trying to fill slots with whoever they can find it’s going to remain this way. Case in point, why does Whitehust remain on the roster yr. after yr.? To fill a spot and that’s all. Hasselbech saw it and moved on to an NFL team because he was tired of playing with losers.

  9. DisplacedSeahawkFan says:

    It’s like we just can’t get it together. Every time we improve one aspect of our game another part of our game takes a step back. This time, our offensive line took a step forward at the expense of our defense. Not only did our defense fail to stop the run, but, again, we had no pass rush.

    I’m sick of Robert Gallery. He has penalties every game. Surprisingly, though, I didn’t hear Carpenters name called once. Kudos to Cable for straightening him out.

    This season is a wash. All I’m looking forward to now is the draft. Hopefully, we draft a QB, a Cornerback, and a DE, in that order.

  10. “Did the defense just look that bad today? The rushing yardage couldn’t have been b/c they were on the field too long with the TOS the way it was. I didn’t think it was possible for a team to run over our guys that bad?”

    Definitely the worst our run defense has looked all year. Though, I think we caught a hot RB who is ascending right now – Murray looked great. Our pass rush was also weak today, so Romo had plenty of time.

    Tarvaris had a down game, though really, only that 2nd pick is really blameworthy. The 1st pick was just real bad luck when he tried to throw it into the ground, and it somehow bounced off a lineman, upward into another lineman’s hands. The last pick was during desperation/garbage time, and as another poster noted, it should’ve been ruled a Baldwin catch.

    Overall, a bit of a step back today, b/c our defense, which had been such a positive all year, pretty much was run over. It’s just a year to be patient, the way SF is going, we know the playoffs aren’t happening, so it’s a year to evaluate guys, and look to a draft slot. Not fun, but it’s where we are.

  11. Seahawks2620 says:

    I honestly don’t feel as if CB is a first round priority, nor do I find that a QB is either. Call me crazy, but I don’t. I don’t think that Jackson is anywhere near worthy of the starting position long term, however I do think that there will be some gems in the second and third round of this upcoming draft. Outside of Luck and possibly Jones, the rest of them are kind of a stretch in the first. We should definitely go D-line, whether it is a legitimate pass rushing end or a beast of a D-Tackle. We shall see.

  12. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    Wow, have to get shit for another year from my inlaws. brightside for me was the o-line only a garbage time sack 160 yrds rushing. stupid penalties killed us thou. did browner have a penalty?

  13. SexualChocolate says:

    ………….Thir……….Teen……..Points…….. BUH-Gawk!!

  14. DisplacedSeahawkFan says:

    As far as the draft goes, we definitely need a QB. That is a priority. Even if we draft a QB and he sits behind T.Jack for a year we have to get one. Charlie Whitehurst is about done in Seattle, and we need to get a QB of the future now.

    It’s looking like we’ll have a top 5 draft pick this year, and given the strength of this year’s quarterback class that’s not entirely a bad thing. I’m thinking we’ll either end up with Barkley from USC, or Jones from Oklahoma. Both project to be better than Tavaris Jackson in time. I’d want Schneider and Carrol gone if they fail to draft a QB in the upcoming draft.

  15. Seahawks2620 says:

    Landry Jones looks like a phenomenal prospect. I would not be upset in any way if he was our first round selection. On the flip side, I would not support a selection of Barkley in the first round.

  16. IBGoofy says:

    I really expected us to be more competitive than we are…. The failure to use Zach Miller just baffles me…. along with the week after week after week after week lack of discipline Boycie brings up….
    There was no place for it in this game, but I still want to see Portis
    get his opportunity….

  17. SandpointHawk says:

    Did you see what Barkley did Friday night? Do you know Pete has known him since he was 9 years old? I like Landry Jones and Andrew Luck as well, but do not be surprised if Mr Barkley ends up in Seattle.

  18. Seahawks2620 says:

    Yes, I am aware of the relationship that Pete and Barkley share. I also saw what Barkley put together on Friday. Impressive yes, but he is not a future star in this league. I could be wrong, which I hope I am.

  19. MadSweeney42 says:

    Seriously, someone on here is complaining about having Whitehurst on the roster “year after year”?! He was brought in, failed, and was replaced, has been benched even and won’t be on the roster next year. Of all the things to complain about, this is silly.

    This game I think re-iterated why TJ is as temporary as CW. The OL showed improvement, other than Gallery. Hopefully he’s a backup next year.

    Baldwin is awesome. Once we get our QB, so hopefully by midseason next year, he should be a slot monster with Rice and Williams on the outside.

    Run D, dunno what to say other than sometimes this happens. They’ve been stout all year, they ran up against an apparent stud in the making… Maybe they weren’t used to being on the field less than half of the game and it threw them off.

    Penalties are upsetting, especially the TWO on Maxwell. Special teams are disappointing, as are tackling problems. I’m a big fan of Carroll and I am patient, realizing how far from being comeptitive that this team was when he got here. Last year was a needed plug of adrenaline for the fan base and the team with the moderate success and the improbable playoff win. But a 4-12 season was almost inevitable as so many positions get turned over and a longtime gunslinging college coach learns the NFL. Pete’s made his moves and built a team to build around. Next year he puts his QB in and that’s his measuring stick. He needs to improve as much as his young players do. It sucks to have a season like this, it really, really sucks. But it’s a natural progression and once we shed ourselves of temporary QBs, I think we’ll go back to the glory days of the middle of the 2000s.

  20. thursday says:

    Just about every game has gone like this. The D starts out stout, our offense is sluggish. The offense eventually almost puts it together, but by that time the D is tired and the other team keeps scoring. Oh and we seem to think we have all day to make up three scores. And where was the no huddle again? Hardly saw it.

  21. hawkapalooza says:


  22. SandpointHawk says:

    @MadSweeney42….where is the LIKE button? Good post….

  23. Dukeshire says:

    Jackson seems to run himself into pressure with regularity and no amount of practice will correct that.

    Lynch ought to be getting the rock 20+ times a game, every game.

    As Bobby said, 10 more penalties. This team will never, ever, be successful with this level of discipline. They may be talented. They may win some big games. They will never win with anything with any level of consistency no matter who they have under center. Until this is corrected, expect more of the same. It is sickening and inexcusable.

  24. Dukeshire says:

    Run D? Simple. McDonald was owned all day. Murray’s biggest runs came with him in the game when he was spelling Branch. He is a clear symbol that the starting d-line is stout with next to no depth behind them. A serious need this off-season.

  25. rockotoo says:

    Seahawks? Nahhh… Just Mariners with pads.

  26. pabuwal says:

    Well said Duke.

  27. Lukeyluke77 says:

    Its a throw away season. JC and PC said it was a 3 year project. We should be in position to get Jones or Barclay, and I hope they get another one later on in the draft. Kellen Moore would be awesome.

  28. The frustrating part of this “throw away” season is that it’s not going to be enough to get Luck(y). That would be a throw away season with a purpose.

  29. Didn’t get to see the game today, so its good to see everyone’s comments while I read the play-by-play and wait for the replay to come online. I’m not sure why people are surprised that this young, young team makes a lot of mistakes and has a of penalties. Did I mention they’re young? And Bobby, this is not a “throw away” season. This is a season of young players growing up together and getting hard-fought experience. They can’t get to the glory if they don’t go through the pain.

    This is exactly what Tim Ruskell was too cowardly to go through. He kept plugging holes instead of tearing the team down and building it up with youth. This is the right way to do it, but we cant’t expect to win… yet.

  30. Do you really think I’m that stupid not to understand that the young players are “growing up together” and getting experience? The Lions did the same thing when they went 0-16 and now they are turning the corner (although I still think they are a year away from making a run for all the marbles). How the hell many times have you read my saying that the line is going to suck early and make strides as they gain experience in 2011 to think I’m too dumb not to understand that their are gains in a losing season, but setting them up for success in 2012?

    And the Luck thing wasn’t out of the blue, it was in response to Lukeyluke77. Not you. Take a hint.

    Go ahead and talk about how we’re young. I’m sure that’s why Pete Carroll coached NFL teams have been penalized more than their opponents, right? The ’94 Jets and ’97-99 Patriots played in 67 (including play-offs) games and committed more penalties and lost more yards because of this than their opponents. They had more penalties than their opponent in 32 games, less penalties in 27 games, and had just as many in 8 games. Granted, when I looked this up, I thought this would be more lopsided against Carroll, but it’s still not on the side any of us want his teams to be on. His career record before coming to Seattle was a plus 2, but his “record” was -5 in games being outpenalized. I realize that the penalty thing isn’t important in comparison to the W/L records, but it can’t be ignored that your chances of winning games would seem to improve if you have less penalties than your opponent either. That’s why some of us are so sick and tired about the penalties and not willing to give them the free pass that some others are willing to give them.

  31. sincere says:

    I feel it boils down to having 11 players on the field.You can have a fantastic QB,but if there are no qualified receivers and very little protection for the passer from the opposing linemen,you can see the picture of what is going to happen.No one star will make a team,there will be help needed to make the star shine.

  32. The problem with that is we signed Sidney Rice and Zach Miller. Don’t tell me there aren’t any options for our poor QB position to throw to. In fact, I can’t remember when we’ve had this much receiving talent on one Seahawks team. Has the pass protection really been that bad after those first few games? I don’t think so. The lack of a running game (until today) has hurt, no doubt, but we haven’t had a running game for 5 1/2 years (and that sucks, but it is and will improve more, too). I think that whoever is under center in 2012 is going to be extremely lucky to be playing with the skill position talent around him, to go with a young line who will have made huge strides from one year to the next. Even if a guy like Carpenter stays at RT, you know darn well that the RT position will be better in ’12 than it is in ’11 (can’t get much worse though), simply b/c he’s not a rookie anymore and will have had a year of experience under his belt (same with Moffitt, Unger getting a 2nd full year at C next season, and even Okung moving into only his 3rd season). Better days are ahead, it just sucks right now. Hopefully, the Colts can win a few games!

  33. agzactly says:

    Any opposing defese that watches game films can see how all they need to do is force t-jack out of the pocket to his right. So many times the receiver on the left is not that well covered because the defenses know he can not see or get the ball to him,so they only need to cover half of the secondary. What is the cure?

  34. Ha, no offense meant there, Bobby. This team is frustrating at this point, no doubt. Enjoy watching our draft position improve, I guess.

  35. Audible says:

    “What is the cure?”

    Get a better QB.

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