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Morning links: Starting QB up in the air

Post by Eric Williams on Oct. 18, 2011 at 6:29 am with 40 Comments »
October 18, 2011 6:43 am
Seattle Seahawks quarterbacks Charlie Whitehurst, Josh Portis and Tarvaris Jackson at Monday's practice. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)

In my story today, Seattle Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll was purposely vague in discussing who his starting quarterback will be against Cleveland on Sunday.

While acknowledging that Charlie Whitehurst took most of the snaps with the starters on Monday, Carroll still holds out hope that starter Tarvaris Jackson can get healthy enough to make it on the field.

Jackson suffered a high-grade pectoral strain in the second half of the New York Giants game two weeks ago, and has not participated in practice since the injury.

If Jackson can’t go, Carroll said he will not change to offense, and Whitehurst can effectively run the no-huddle or anything Seattle wants to do on Sunday.

“We’re not changing anything at all,” Carroll said. “We’re just continuing to grow. Charlie has grown up with us in this scheme during this camp and everything that we’ve done in our tempo and all of that stuff, Charlie has been a part of that.

“So we basically stay with the things that we feel we can execute in the game, and we’re counting on Charlie to do that.”

I talked with KJR’s Dick Fain this morning about the Seahawks injuries and their chances against Cleveland in this audio link.

Scott Johnson of the Everett Herald continues his series on former Seahawks greatest games of their lives with a profile on running back Sherman Smith.

Clare Farnsworth of provides a report from Monday’s practice.

Liz Mathews of 710 ESPN Seattle provides audio of a conversation with defensive back Roy Lewis on his possible return this week in this audio link.

The Weather Channel ranks Seattle No. 9 overall among NFL cities with the worst weather. Buffalo tops the list.

Jason Whitlock of Fox Sports calls Jim Harbaugh and Jim Schwartz the T.O. and OchoCinco of coaching.

Mike Florio of said the NFL got it wrong by not fining Harbaugh and Schwartz for their incident on the field. I agree.

Andrew Brandt of the National Football Post says unlike other sports, the trade deadline in the NFL is usually a dud. I’d definitely agree with this take. Teams are more focused on building through the draft than trades or free agency, and most are not willing to roll the dice in a trade. The Seahawks were fortunate to find a trading partner for Aaron Curry in Oakland.

Chase Stuart, writing for the New York Times Fifth Down Blog, notes that the ridiculous passing numbers in the first five weeks of the season tailed off in week six, and wonders if that is just a blip or a continuing trend.

Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that the Browns are dinged up, with running back Peyton Hillis (hamstring), linebacker Scott Fujita (concussion) and Joe Haden (sprained knee) all uncertain for this week’s game against Seattle.

Morning links
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  1. Dukeshire says:

    The more I read about the dust-up between Harbaugh and Schwartz, the less of a problem I have with Harbaugh. This this goes back even further than Sunday.

    I actually hope Hillis and Haden go this week. I want Seattle to start beating teams at their best. Especially as young as they are, tougher the competition the better for them, IMO.

  2. Speaking of QB’s…I guess this can quell any of the Palmer to Seattle theories.

  3. As an additional thought, wow, I’m glad the ‘Hawks didn’t pay that price for Palmer!

  4. Palerydr says:

    Listening to Mortenson on ESPN and it appears it’s a done deal. He just mentioned that Aaron Curry was discussed as an option in the trade and their backup plan was to go after Vince Young.

  5. Palerydr says:

    To further Dukes story, unfortunately I can’t find the link or team, Harbaugh and Shwartz also coached together for a year.

  6. Palerydr says:

    Guess I’m gonna go all ACIB on ya’ll cuz I really want to hear what everyone’s expectations for the rest of season are now that we’ve played 5 games and appear to be getting just a bit better each week.

  7. chrisj122 says:

    You would think with the passing of Al Davis maybe the Raiders would make some better decisions but I guess not, but then again if Al Davis’s son is running the show and if his haircut is any indication of his dicision making they are big trouble.

  8. Soggybuc says:

    WOW, i can see the Raiders as in need of a QB badly but to give 2 firsts is just insane!

  9. WTF. Like I said after the Curry trade, it looks like the HORRIBLE personnel decisions didn’t die with old Al. Cannot believe anyone would give 2 firsts for Palmer. I can’t believe he will really be able to contribute a whole lot for at least a couple of weeks. Good thing he can hand off to McFadden a lot. I wonder if the 2nd first is just conditional on playing time or if there are statistical plateaus he must reach? If it’s just playing time then the Raiders are CRAZY! They are crazy anyways actually but, that would make it even worse. Raiders just LOVE to give away 1st rounders. Guess they pick garbage with them a lot of the time anyways. Just when they are 4-2 and looking good. Not that I really care if they win or lose. You have to try VERY VERY hard to make Mike Brown look smart!!!

    Eric, I would be interested to get your take on the trade as a fan and analyst.

  10. Also, REALLY glad the Hawks didn’t go after him. Even if we could’ve gotten him for a 3rd rounder I would’ve been against it. He’s on the wrong side of 30 and has been declining for a few years. I think the Hawks have just as good options in house and hopefully will acquire a better one in the off-season if TJ or CW doesn’t take control of the team in the last 11 weeks.

  11. Dukeshire says:

    No doubt. 2 firsts?! Wow, that’s incredible.

  12. SI has an interesting article about the trade. It was the first thing that came up when I googled Carson Palmer. They don’t give the range of the conditional pick in 2013 but, suggest that it will be based on performance and say that it can be as high as a 1st. They also mention that the Raiders don’t have any picks in the first 4 rounds in the 2012 draft now. Not the way to build or maintain a good team IMO. Their 3rd rounder in 2012 is gone because they took Pryor in the supp. draft and, their fourth is gone as part of the Campbell trade. So if you lost track, the Raiders gave up their 1st, 3rd and 4th round picks in the 2012 draft for 3 SEPARATE quarterbacks! LOL!!

  13. thursday says:

    would kinda like to see them play portis tbh. i hope jackson can go above all though.

  14. Wow, on the Palmer trade. Way too much to give up for the player he has been the past couple seasons. I guess they were desperate – and the Bengals had all the leverage now that they’ve committed to a new QB. I really would have though a single 3rd round pick would have been his current value. Way off.

  15. I would have been happy to give up a 3rd round pick for Palmer. At the most, a second rounder. But two firsts! Even one first is insane. He’s 32 and hasn’t played well the last few years. (Neither did Hass, but the Titans didn’t give up anything for him.) They should have offered that first to Green Bay for Matt Flynn.

  16. Hey – in relation to the Trufant news, what about this?!/JasonLaCanfora

  17. Only the Raiders could make Mike Brown look like a genius!

  18. bulldog80 says:

    Wow that’s a lot to pay for Palmer. However, to put it in perspective, he’ll be the best QB the raiders have had in quite some time. Their a decent team that can do some damage if they have a QB that can get the ball down the field at all.

  19. chuck_easton says:

    Panic purchase by the Raiders. But they are in a “win now, damn the future” mode.

    To have no draft choices in the first 4 rounds of next year’s draft is taking a big risk on their part.

    I don’t think 2 1st rounders was the asking price and I don’t think any other team would have given it. Raiders just wrote a “blank check” to the Bengals and told them to fill in whatever price they wanted.

  20. Yes, no more worry’s of Palmer coming here, I could of swore we just got rid of Hass this year. I guess Al Davis is runnig shit from the grave, scary. Go Hawks, Holmgrem’s team is going down this week, yeahyer. By the way, who’s our CB’s now, Browmer, Thurmond, and Shermon? Is roy Lewis coming back? Peace.

  21. PixelDummy says:

    “I think this is a brilliant move by the raiders!..First round draft choices are waaaay overated.”

    -Tim Ruskell

  22. AaronCurryIsBUST says:

    I’m a huge Carson Palmer fan and certainly preferred him to Tarvaris Jackson, but not one but TWO 1st round picks is just obscene.

  23. The Eagles are shopping Asante Samuel and looking for linebacker help. Too bad we couldn’t have traded Curry for Samuel. Speaking of him, the Bengals were apparently interested in getting him from the Raiders in the Palmer deal.

    The Seahawks are getting a couple of breaks on the injury front: Hillis out for the Browns and Cedric Benson suspended the following week! With any luck, they’ll be 4-3 going into Dallas.

  24. Canfan-
    I think we would’ve had to give up A LOT more than Curry to get Samuel. If I am wrong, then that would’ve been the trade of the year for sure. Although, Samuel doesn’t really fit into our youth movement or our system. Not a big corner and doesn’t really play press well. Works best back in a zone. Just to clarify, Palmer doesn’t turn 32 until December 27th but, I am definitely with you as far as it being a CRAZY TRADE. I thought and posted the same thing about Mike Brown. You really have to work hard to make him look like a genius! With the passing of Al Davis, a shoe-in for dumbest owner in the NFL. Looks like Al’s son is making a run for it though!

    By the way all, Chris Mortensen says that it is a 1st in 2012 and a 2nd in 2013, unless the Raiders win a playoff game this year. Then the 2013 pick becomes a 1st rounder. Don’t get me wrong, a 1st and 2nd still WAY too much IMO. Take it for what it’s worth.

  25. ACIB, a HUGE Palmer fan? The same guy with 33 interceptions versus 47 touchdowns the last 2 years? Surely as a NUMBER ONE OVERALL PICK that would make him a HUGE BUST right???? A fairly pedestrian QB rating of around 80 the last 3 seasons. BUST!!!! Trouble following the way your brain works!

  26. SandpointHawk says:

    Ponder named starter for the Vikings…..Boy saw that coming…

  27. footballscaa says:

    None of those guys are starting QB’s. Bring in Carson Palmer!

  28. If they were 2-4, would the Raiders still make that trade?

    Perhaps, the Raiders have been success-starved for so long (2002) that the 4-2 record is making the FO think some crazy things.

  29. The Raider FO has been thinking crazy for 10 plus years. That’s why they haven’t done anything since 2002. And their success then was build on OLD players. That’s why they haven’t built a team. The Raiders could field a good TRACK team but, that’s not football.

  30. Seemed to be doing better the last year or so with the moves but, the last week has restored my faith in the idiocy of the Raiders FO.

  31. Nice to have a team, JS and PC, that seems to be building the RIGHT way!

  32. If you can’t draft, you won’t last.

  33. Any chance we can trade Deon Butler for the Raiders 1st rounder in 2014? He has a good 40 time. We know they love that.

  34. Maybe they’ll throw in their 1st from 2016?

  35. AaronCurryIsBUST says:

    Natedog, Palmer is a multiple Pro Bowler, that instantly makes him far from a bust you idiot.

  36. The Raiders don’t have a GM. Hue Jackson made this trade to protect his own butt. He’s not looking out for the long-term interests of the Raiders. If Palmer gives them five playoff years, then perhaps the trade will be worth it. But I doubt he will.

    Natedog, you’re right about the hypothetical Curry-Samuel trade. The Seahawks would have had to throw in a pick or two.

  37. I see Nate doodle has a woody for the Raiders now. Agreed ACIB. He is an idiot. What was his take on Hass anyways?

    So Charlie may start this week. Having had the practice snaps, yeah, I would like to see how he operates the offense. Not that TJ hadn’t improved. But, the o’line has been playing better. Carpenter, tho I didn’t spend much time on him, has seemed to of improved.

  38. ACIB, now that curry is no longer with the team… ? a name change is in order. How bout – lawrence jackson jock held p’nuts the size of ‘lil nate.

  39. ACIB, when did Palmer make those Pro Bowls? Oh yeah, 2005-06. Long time ago you idiot! But I guess to someone with a pea brain like you trading a 1st and a 2nd or 2 1sts for an aging, declining QB with a history of elbow problems is smart. Not necessarily saying he is a bust but, if I was to evaluate him under the same scope as you inspect AC with then he is a BUST! But I guess Palmer is not in your mind because, he didn’t bang your girlfriend like Curry did. Oh yeah, and remember when you called Matt Ryan, Sam Bradford, and Joe Flacco “all garbage”??????? Ryan has been to a Pro Bowl and led his team to a winning record every year of his career, the playoffs 2 of 3 years. But he is garbage? Flacco has led his team to the playoffs every year of his career, should have made the Pro Bowl in 2009 instead of Vince Young and could’ve easily made the Pro Bowl last year. But he’s garbage? You really have no logic to the written diarrhea that you unload on this blog!

    Hey excile. Glad to see that you climbed out from under that rock in your mom’s basement. Did she reinstate your internet privileges?? Did you clean your basement like a good boy? You know if you’re going to insult me on here you might actually want to write a LITERATE post. Maybe then someone could take you seriously, internet tough guy. What’s funny is that if we met in person you wouldn’t even dare to open your little pole holster! And what did I say about Hasselbeck that has been proven wrong? I never hated on Matt. I just didn’t think we should resign him. There’s a difference but, of course your pea brain couldn’t understand that. What’s happened so far this year only reinforces what I said. You think because Matt has had a good year in Tennessee that he would’ve done the same here? He is coming back to Earth now as well. He will be done in a few years so it wouldn’t matter if he was good here. That was the POINT you moron. TJ has been more than good enough. 81 Qb rating while being sacked 18 times. You were the one calling him garbage! Matt would’ve been on the IR already taking all those sacks. Matt had a 70 Qb rating his last 3 years here. That’s a FACT! Guess morons like you have a problem with facts. Now go crawl back under that rock in mommy’s basement loser.

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