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Morning links: Carroll, Schneider on same page?

Post by Eric Williams on Sep. 23, 2011 at 8:23 am with 25 Comments »
September 23, 2011 8:24 am

Eric Edholm of Pro Football Weekly reports that according to rumblings around the league, Seattle head coach Pete Carroll and general manager John Schneider are not on the same page, and have had disagreements with personnel issues.

Edholm says according to a conversation with an agent who had a client fly in for a look-see in Seattle, only to have Pete Carroll say he was not interested and the player did not fit the team’s needs.

“I can tell you that these two are not on the same page,” Edholm says in the video above. “And it often happens, a personnel guy and a coach are going to have differing views on things. But I talked to one agent who said he he had one of his free agents shipped into Seattle, but when he got there, Pete Carroll said, ‘What is this guy doing here? We don’t need him for our football team.’ So it led to an uncomfortable situation for all parties.”

Edholm went on to say that’s just one example of personnel not matching up with what’s wanted on the field.

Now, this is the first I’ve heard of any type of friction between Carroll and Schneider. Their relationship has always been characterized as smooth and both thinking along the same lines in securing personnel. In fact, just a few weeks ago in a conversation with Carroll, he lavished praise on Schneider and said the reason that they have been able to move quickly and revamp the roster is their close relationship.

But with big free agent acquisitions like Robert Gallery, now out for a month with a groin injury, Sidney Rice struggling to get on the field and quarterback Tarvaris Jackson struggling in his play, Carroll could be frustrated with what is happening on the field.

Is this year’s version of the Seattle Seahawks the worst team in franchise history? Jim Moore of ESPN 710 Seattle thinks that may be the case. The 1992 team that finished 2-14 is generally considered the measuring stick for poor performance among Seahawk teams.

John Boyle of the Everett Herald writes that the Seahawks would like to get tight end Zach Miller more involved in the offense.

Clare Farnsworth of offers a report from Thursday’s practice.

ESPN’s Mike Sando weighs in on Aaron Curry’s demotion.

Pat Kirwan of CBS Sports breaks down the game in the video below.

Brian Billick of Fox Sports previews the game in the video below.

<a href="" target="_new" title="">Billick: ARI/SEA Preview</a>

Peter King of Sports Illustrated picks the Cardinals, 23-13.

Clark Judge of CBS Sports writes that the days of big, plodding, hard-hitting safeties are over because of spread offenses. If you’re a safety who can’t cover, you won’t last very long in the league.

Arizona Cardinals

Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic writes that even though the Cardinals were penalized 10 times last week against Washington, defensive end Darnell Dockett believes they still have to be aggressive. “I always emphasize to my team, ‘Don’t never be a punk. If somebody do something to you, you do something back.’ If you just continue to let them do it, then you’re going to have a long day.”

More Somers: Running back Beanie Wells missed part of practice because of a hamstring injury.

Darren Urban of writes that the Cardinals are trying to avoid bottoming out and rebuilding like the rest of the NFC West.

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  1. Ugh – do we really need this story? One unnamed disgrunteld agent says they didn’t want his player, and this one miscommunication or whatever, is the source for saying our coach and GM aren’t on the same page?

    Controversies and intrigues are always going to be easy to drum up in the midst of a losing season. Nobody asks if a winning team’s coach and GM are on the same page. It’s a rebuilding year – every team goes through it sometimes, just need to keep our eyes on the development and occasional bright spots.

  2. Dukeshire says:

    Wow. Interesting and absolutely not what this team needs, whether true or not. I’ll say that I’m a bit skeptical of the report. Anything that comes from an agent should be taken with a grain of salt. Furthermore, this very easily could be an isolated incident regarding just one player. Until Eric comes through with anything he hears around VMAC, I’m not going to give this any credence. However, with Carroll’s high profile, I’m sure this will be picked up and run with.

  3. We’ll see…

  4. Whatever…sounds like an agent who represents hacks who he can’t get signed….whatever.

    Remember the comment Curry made about his demotion?

    “All questions will be answered on Sunday, really.”

    …It just struck me as a really odd thing to say.

  5. chuck_easton says:

    I don’t buy this report. This is just the National media drumming up a story to show, once again, how ‘pathetic’ the Seahawks are, real or imagined.

    The National media just loves to make it sound like Seattle is ready to self distruct.

  6. Darnell Dockett did go to college, right? Good Lord. If I was on the Card’s D, I’d be distracted by his lack of speaking English.

  7. “The National media just loves to make it sound like Seattle is ready to self distruct. ”

    They really do, don’t they? I guess it’s because there’s kind of a surprisingly large contingent of Carroll-haters out there? Not really sure what he’s done to earn the enmity. Yes, USC had NCAA violations, but that basically puts them in company with every other major college program. People do seem to want to see him fail.

  8. “Not really sure what he’s done to earn the enmity.”

    That’s easy: National Championships!

  9. Disagreements are going to happen. All that matters is they work these out as they work together for the good of the team. These are successful football men, with egos, they’re not paid to be angels.

    And I agree that a disgruntled agent is a lousy source for a story.

  10. It’s a tough position for Schneider to be in in the first place. The dynamic of the head coach and GM in the seahawks is unprecedented. Schneider is realistically just the lead talent evaluator as his decisions are easily overidden. Pete would be wise to not lose Schneider. I would be tragically disappointed beyond measure if we lost Schneider and it was just PETE running the entire operation.

    Perhaps we need to leave talent evaluation to the talent evaluators not the coaches I.e cable/carpenter and bevell/tavaris…..

    I would be miffed as well I my decisions were overridden for that…

  11. Do people hate Carroll? I hate losing. Really hate losing in embarrassing fasion. This offense is anemic in a year the teams are setting records.

    NFL Network Fantasy Live: “Seattle has become the Joke of the league”
    Yeah, enjoy hearing statements like that.

    Seahawk fan I cross path’s with occassionally at work voiced his disappointment in the team the other day.

    There is hope facing an AZ defense that is having its own struggle’s. TJank plays as well as he did in the second half of the Frisco game Hawks may come away with a win.

  12. therock482 says:

    I believe the player to being referenced here is Willis McGahee. If anything I would think that Schneider is trying to build a relationship with McGahee’s agent Drew Rosenhaus. Rosenhaus has not had many dealings with Carroll and Schneider other than Sidney Rice and Atari Bigby.

    My guess that Schneider told Raenhaus to bring in McGahee and Pete didn’t see a need for McGahee. Schneider never intended for McGahee to be apart of the team he just wanted have more interaction with Rosenhaus so that they will get to know each other better and this could lead to future deals with Rosenhaus’s players.

  13. Gee, Seahawks have made 400 transactions since they have been here. They actually had a disagreement in one of those 400 transactions? Say it aint so!

  14. Excile, we agree. If the Seahawks play as well as they did in the second half of the 49ers game, they will win. And we should expect them to play better than they did in that game.

    I wonder if people are going to realize they’ve been over-reacting lately, once they watch $4M/yr Tarvaris Jackson beat $13M/yr Kevin Kolb?

  15. BobbyAyala says:

    Blech, the dregs of an 0-16 season.

    Gonna be high drama until Luck shows up around here.

  16. Dukeshire says:

    Well, here’s what Carroll had to say about it;

    “There was some report out earlier that John and I don’t get along. I think that is extraordinarily irresponsible. It’s inaccurate, it’s lazy, and I wouldn’t believe a word they said.”

  17. No. Because he still sucks. A Doug Williams team once beat a John Elway team, too, but I know who was the better quarterback. Joe Montana was beaten by Jim McMahon. Mark Sanchez has beaten Tom Brady, Jay Cutler has beaten Brett Favre, etc.

  18. SeahawkFan12 says:

    This report is thin on substance and heavy on drama. Perception is not always reality, and refuse to allow this trash form my perception. There has been too many other accounts of the excellent relationship between Carroll and Scheider before this crap from an “unnamed” agent. Not buying it.

  19. BobbyK says: “People just need to realize and accept that this is the year from hell and focus on 2012. We know Sundays aren’t going to be any fun. Embrace it. Have “fun” with it (or as much as you can, which isn’t any). If they win, be happy and think of the progress we’re making with kids.”

    Yeah, what he said. No need to over-react to losses or to TJack’s QB play. And, be glad we didn’t blow 6 years of cap money on an average QB like Kevin Kolb.

  20. ryanryan says:

    the article is a yawner…why would you want to have the same opinion every time with ANYONE, let alone a talent evaluator.

    curry being benched is interesting, however. i haven’t been able to watch either game but reports were that he was improving and didn’t seem to be the issue. i actually feel bad for him as a person, he just seems like a lost soul…all those tweets that are basically a cry for help…its sad, really. looks like they may have hit the lotto with kj…

    *fingers crossed

  21. nidhighe says:

    If Seattle sucks all season, it had better be worth it, not like after 2-14 in 1992 got us Rick Mirer.

  22. Good call, Stevos!

  23. mike98541 says:

    who gives a crap if they are bickering back and forth as long as they are doing it to try and figure out why we suck so bad. who ever decided to make some of these moves should be bitched at and if we did in fact bring in some other lame ass free agent, Im glad someone stepped up and said no way. either way, they both need to figure out how to turn this around or get out of town. I personally dont find it very hard to believe that they are having some issues with the way this season has started. its got to be getting under their skin a little.

  24. nidhighe says:

    “they both need to figure out how to turn this around or get out of town”

    I say they deserve 4 seasons. This is a total rebuilding of a team that was put in the cellar by Ruskell. If we’re still bad in 2013, then it may be time to consider parting ways.

  25. If we get a rookie QB who starts playing in 2013, then he should start turning around the fortunes of the team (major increase in wins) by 2014.

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