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Morning links: Ready or not, NFL season is here

Post by Eric Williams on Sep. 8, 2011 at 8:39 am with 25 Comments »
September 8, 2011 8:40 am
Oakland Raiders and Seattle Seahawks in the first half of a preseason NFL football game, Friday, Sept. 2, 2011, in Seattle. (AP Photo/Marcus R. Donner)

How much will a 136-day lockout affect the play on the field, beginning with Green Bay hosting New Orleans today?

Dave Boling of The News Tribune delves into that topic this morning, wondering how the missed time affected rookies in particular, and could lead to sloppy play in this weekend’s slate of games.


Teams missed roughly 20 practices in minicamps and organized training activities. The effect is critical for teams such as the Seahawks, who have young players in key positions.

It was speculated that James Carpenter and John Moffitt, two rookies expected to start on the offensive line, missed out on 1,000 snaps they would have taken before training camp started. That’s 1,000 more times hearing snap counts, 1,000 more chances to read defenses, 1,000 more opportunities to coordinate your efforts with teammates.

In addition to that, they missed 42 days of scheduled workouts at the team headquarters. The absence of organized conditioning had to be most damaging to the big guys.

Carroll said that Carpenter has lost 15 pounds since the start of training camp. In the normal course of an offseason, he would have dropped that long before camp even started, leaving him freer to focus on the scheme and mechanics and less on simply catching his breath.

My story today focuses on the Seahawks changes up front on the offensive line, with rookie James Carpenter moving to left guard. The Seahawks already have dealt with two of their five starting offensive linemen getting injured, and they haven’t even played a regular season game yet. The Seahawks cycled through 10 different starting offensive line combinations last year, Seattle’s O-line appears headed down a similar path this season.

John McGrath of The News Tribune writes that the Pete Carroll-Jim Harbaugh rivalry would be good for the game, if they would just let it happen.

Jim Moore of ESPN 710 Seattle provides a position-by-position grade for the Seahawks, and predicts a 3-13 record for Seattle.

Clare Farnsworth of provides this run down of Wednesday’s practice, focusing on right tackle Breno Giacomini.

Tim Booth of the Associated Press writes that Tarvaris Jackson finally gets a chance to prove his critics wrong starting with San Francisco on Sunday.

Christian Caple of writes that the Seahawks have no interest in former Jacksonville quarterback David Garrard.

Danny O’Neil of the Seattle Times wonders who will step up and take on the leadership responsibilities on defense with Lawyer Milloy and Lofa Tatupu gone.

Jerry Brewer of the Seattle Times takes a closer look at Carroll’s philosophy of developing a game manager at quarterback.

Scott Johnson of the Everett Herald continues his look back at former Seattle players recalling their most memorable games with a profile on Matt Hasselbeck.

John Boyle of the Everett Herald says linebacker Leroy Hill is a changed man.

The Seahawks are No. 16 on Forbes annual list of the NFL valuations, checking in at $997 million.

San Francisco

Eric Branch of the San Francisco Chronicle writes that running back Frank Gore believes some creative schemes by his team could help extend the 28-year-old’s career.

Matt Barrows of the Sacramento Bee expects San Francisco to bring the heat defensively, with defensive coordinator Vic Fangio similar in style to Dom Capers’ 3-4 defense.

Matt Maiocco of reports that receiver Michael Crabtree took part in his first padded practice on Wednesday, a sign that he will play on Sunday.

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  1. MadSweeney42 says:

    Loving the series of games retold by ex-players. The Hass one was great because I remember the season he was talking about. I remember how mad I was that we traded for that turd that was cocky, demoted, and held FGs like Romo. I remember when Difler popped his Achiles and I remember watching Hass come out a different QB than the one that got benched. I know a lot of guys don’t like him, and all I can say is eat it! He goes down as my favorite QB ever, cemented by the GB coin toss. His last quote in the story though makes me sad. It shows a lot about aging, the unfairness of the game (injuries, bad calls etc…), and the impending end of a career. Great story though and I’m glad he got to have an awesome game against the Saints as his final post-season triumph.

    Can’t wait for 20 and 22 (Cortez the King and Strong), and you can probably just save some digital space by skipping 11 (Traitor Brown), no one cares hat he has to say. Might as well interview Hutchinson afaic.

  2. Whatever line practices today should be the line that starts on Sunday.

    If its Carp at LG, that will be interesting to see. Esp since I was dreading seeing him at RT on opening day. I think he’ll be good, but he’s not ready for RT.

    So now I’m dreading seeing Breno Giacomini at RT. Sunday could be a long afternoon.

  3. Also re Carpenter – even on a guy his size, 15 lbs isn’t nothing. Obviously wasn’t in the greatest shape coming in – which could also hlep explain what some are seeing as his slowness afoot.

  4. Great job by Scott Johnson on those “Game of my life” articles. Hope he’s putting them together in a book. I remember those 2002 games well. I was so excited for Hasselbeck. I thought he would have many more 400-yard passing games — and I think he could have, in the right offense. There’s something so exciting about having a young player who’s tearing it up and knowing that you’re going to be able to watch him have success for many years. I felt that with Hass and also with Shaun Alexander. I was also excited about BMW last year.

  5. Soggybuc says:

    We hear from rookies every year how different the conditioning is in the NFL and how much harder one has to work at this level to get into game shape. Carp has been an athlete all of his life so it’s unfair to say he came in out of shape as these guys have a level of fitness that far out paces even that of healthy in shape people.
    Ota’s and mini camps give these kids a taste of what they are going need come camp and having access to an NFL training staff and strength and conditioning coaches can not be understated! thats why i think we have to give Carp a pass for this year. by the time he get close to that 1000 missed snaps is when he will get to that rookie wall we hear so much about.
    All that said i do still expect to see him improve from week to week albeit slowly.

  6. So, my 2 cents is if we are all having this talk about losing 1,000 snaps and adjusting to NFL speed, how has Giacomini all of a sudden become the best option at RT when we cut him last year and he has only played in one game his entire career, was he on some special work out/training regiment that no one else knew about where he somehow got those 1,000 snaps. Is anyone else having second thought about letting Spencer go? If this offensive line doesn’t scare the shit out of you, then nothing will. If Carp becomes are LG, so be it, but if their going to flip flop him back and forth, I think that is ridiculous. Are our back-ups so garbage that we put Carp to LG where he hasn’t even took a snap this offseason till now and put in a 2010 cast off at RT? Dude, like I said earlier, the QB controversy might end this weekend.

  7. I know the GB dude has had like four offseasons, but how did it go from cast off to starter between now and last season with all this shortened offseason shiznit.

  8. GeorgiaHawk says:

    He became cast off to starter because Carp sucks at RT.
    I think Carp can make a good LG if he works at it. It is his natural side of the line, and makes better sense than putting two rookies together on the right side.

    And is Baldwin, Johnson, Sherman, or Maxwell using the excuse that the conditioning in the NFL is so much harder that it’s unfair to say to them that they are out of shape? No! Because they are in good NFL shape! So how did they figure it out and Carp didn’t ?

  9. Agree, about the conditioning. What about.are backups

  10. Dukeshire says:

    What a great piece on Hasselbeck by Scott Johnson. I’m going to have to read the others now.

    I’m not sure it’s reasonable to compare a cornerback or reciever with an offensive lineman regarding conditioning. The positions require very different types of strength and stamina. Perhaps Carpenter didn’t put in the required work to show up in camp in shape, I don’t know. But I do know linemen always take longer to become conditioned, whether they are rookies or vets than almost any other position.

  11. More like a 15-pound bowel movement.

  12. GeorgiaHawk, Like you say, the idea being discussed out there now about Carpenter having trouble adjusting to RT after playing his whole college career on the left side makes a lot of sense to me too.

    But it doesn’t make much sense to say Carpenter is unprepared in comparison to “Baldwin, Johnson, Sherman, or Maxwell”. None of those four will start yet, and none of them had to learn a new position. Carpenter is doing both.

  13. I don’t argue with 320 pound athletes about why they’re not in better shape.

    Hell, I don’t argue with 320 pound athletes.

  14. chuck_easton says:

    In perusing all the national sites looks like Seattle shouldn’t even bother showing up for our 16 games.

    We are picked to finish dead last in the NFCW and close to last in the entire NFL.

    Personally I say GREAT! It’s a win/win. Either we meet expectations and finish where we are expected to or we exceed expectations and finish higher. Nowhere to go but up.

    No way the team can be considered to have a disappointing finish to 2011.

  15. Soggybuc says:

    Carp was most likely stuck at home doing the best he could. the high profile draft pick got to work out at the pro sports complexes but those are pricey and someone stepped up and paid for all of that. (gatorade most likely) with the rookie wage scale Carps agent got a nice payday but much lower than it could have been so im sure a lot of agents were reluctant to advance monies to clients. so it was the local high school for James.

  16. GeorgiaHawk says:

    True Dukeshire & Stevos. It’s a bit unfair to Carp comparing him with DBs. I just get tired of first rounders,( and we have had more than our share of them over the years ), underachieving for one reason or another!
    Because of that I have a tendency at times to rush my judgment on top drafted players. I just wish sometimes that some of these top drafted players would develope a hunger that we see in some undrafted free agent rookies, and not like the hunger that we see at an all you can eat buffet.

    For whatever it’s worth I miss Hasselbeck, but it’s cool that he is in my back yard now.

    3-13 ? We have way too much talent to be 3-13! We just need to create an identity and then the confidence will grow. What will that identity be?

  17. AaronCurryIsBUST says:

    Don’t be so down on Giacomini! I’ve been reading up about him, he’s a former TE who added a lot of weight to his 6’7″ frame and has “rare athleticism”. It’s said he’s very good at pass protection although poor as a runblocker and has a big mean streak. He also played RT in college so it’s no surprise he’s faring better than Carpenter in that area.

  18. Audible says:

    I’m rooting for Giacomini. If he could maximize that talent and turn into a stud RT, I would be stoked. Here’s to hoping that Carp will be a permanent guard..and a great one.

  19. HawkfaninMT says:

    Curiosity strikes me BobbyK…

    I realize you have a very negative view of TJack, but what stats or expectations would have to be met for you to atleast lighten up on the guy?

  20. hawkfan777 says:

    Reading that article about Hasselbeck was fun but it also sucks because he was a great presence in Seattle. I have been following the Hawks since the late 70’s (I was born in 1971). I will always think about Hasselbeck when I think about the Seahawks even though I was a fan when Zorn, Krieg, Mirer, moon, Kitna, Dilfer and others were the QB. Matthew was just different. Maybe it was because of his personality and the fact that he led the Hawks to the superbowl.

    I am going to watch the Titans play Denver in a few weeks so it will be fun to see him in action but it certainly will not be the same.

  21. So everyone is cool with our line, wow

  22. Soggybuc says:

    Would not be a surprise that Breno has worked him self into some play time. coaches say it is usually 3 years before a line man reaches their potential and thats right about where Breno is. maybe he has done well in working hard, learning his craft while bulking up and getting stronger. if he goes i’ll be rooting for him.

    It is disappointing that Carp wasn’t able to come in and be a rock from day one. goes to show how special of a player Okung is.

  23. AaronCurryIsBUST says: “Don’t be so down on Giacomini! I’ve been reading up about him”

    ACIB, I hate to tell you, but I saw Giacomini in practice, and he was blocking Aaron Curry. Pretty sure he touched him. So he’s got Curry Cooties now. So there’s no way he can be any good.

  24. raymaines says:

    chuck_easton says: No way the team can be considered to have a disappointing finish to 2011.

    Oh yeah there is. The ‘Hawks go 1-15 with the only win being over Cincinnati, who then drafts Andrew Luck. Just like in 1993 when we beat NE and took Rick Meyer second after the Pat’s picked Drew Bledsoe.

    BTW: That was the year that Garrison Hearst went to Phoenix at #3, Lincoln Kennedy went to Atlanta at #9 and the L.A. Rams picked Jerome Bettis at #10.

    Seattle picked first in the second round and picked Carlton Gray, a CB from UCLA, but passed on Michael Strahan and Chad Brown.

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