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Interview: What does Carroll do for encore?

Post by Eric Williams on Sep. 5, 2011 at 7:32 am with 74 Comments »
September 5, 2011 7:32 am
Seattle Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll at Qwest Field in Seattle, Saturday, Jan. 8, 2011. Ingrid Barrentine/Staff photographer

His first season as the head coach of the Seattle Seahawks was a success, as the team won an NFC West Division title and a playoff game despite going just 7-9 in the regular season.

Now, the challenge to repeat has been made even tougher after an abbreviated offseason because of the NFL lockout. Add in the loss of three key veterans – quarterback Matt Hasselbeck, middle linebacker Lofa Tatupu and safety Lawyer Milloy – and Carroll’s Seahawks will be a much different squad in this Sunday’s opener than the one that took the field last season.

Carroll sat down for an interview with each of the reporters who cover the team last week. He addressed the turnover in the team’s leadership, the quarterback situation and his relationship with general manager John Schneider. We ran excerpt of that conversation in the newspaper this morning, but here’s the full version of the interview.

Q: What are your thoughts on your first year in Seattle? Were you surprised by the fact you had that much success and reached the playoffs in your first year, albeit with a 7-9 record? And what did you learn from last year that you are bringing with you as you start year two?

Carroll: Well, we set our sights on owning the division. And we didn’t want to wait years to do that; we wanted to start last year. We talked about having an opportunity to play for that thing right from the first time that we talked, and fortunately in the last game of the year we still had an opportunity.

And so it was kind of how we had planned in a sense, and hoped that it would come out. And when given that opportunity we played really well and won a good football game over the Rams with the backup quarterback in the game. So that was a big accomplishment for us.

I wanted to come back and do this offseason – and had hoped we would have an offseason to work with – and get our minds to the point where that’s normal. That’s what our expectations are. Last year guys might have been thinking all kinds of things. Let’s just have a winning record or whatever. But I thought we could be division champions right away, and hoped that I would talk like that in the months leading up to the season.

So in my mind that was absolutely a necessity so we could stay on course. And we had a chance to do it, and we did it. And we won a big playoff game, too. And we saw that we could have gone the next week and played real well too after that, but we didn’t play well in Chicago. But all kinds of stuff happened and it didn’t work out the way we wanted.

But I didn’t expect anything less than that. I was hoping we’d be able to do that. That it would kick start us and let us go, and it’s happened. So here we are.

Q: Has that success last year given you more credibility when you talk to your players this year, the fact that you can look back to last year and say, ‘Hey, this works’?

Carroll: (laughs) I don’t know, you’d have to ask some of the people around here

Q: But do you feel that?

Carroll: I feel like the message is much clearer for the players – and we still have new guys and new coaches, and you’re always teaching – but I feel like the message is much clearer. And it’s always, when you’re talking about what you could be and then now you are, it makes everything stronger. I have refused to waiver. I’m going to stick with it, and stay with what we believe in. And bring these guys to believe in it as well hopefully. And give us a mindset that helps us perform at a high level.

Q: You lost three core leaders from last year’s team in Matt Hasselbeck, Lofa Tatupu and Lawyer Milloy. The coach is always going to be the person steering the ship. But I imagine you want your lieutenants out there getting out the message as well. So how much more do you take on that role with those guys gone?

Carroll: Here’s the deal. If you don’t have anybody who can carry the message for you, then the coach has to do it. And the assistant coaches have to do it. And I’ve always said that. I don’t want to be a coach that says, “Well, we would have had a really good year if we had better leadership.” I don’t buy into that. That’s not okay because we can lead for them.

But there’s so many guys on this team that are great character guys that care so much about this game, it’s just a matter of just working the message and getting to the side and letting them go. So I’m not worried about it one bit. It will fluctuate a little bit for the next, couple years because we will see the emergence of some of the young guys. I think Earl (Thomas) and Kam (Chancellor) – guys like that are coming up.

And then some of the other guys on offense coming in. There’s no question that Tarvaris (Jackson is one of those guys. There’s no question that Sidney (Rice) is one of those guys. Zach (Miller) is one of those guys, and they’re just coming in. Robert Gallery brings us instant credibility and toughness, and a good head on his shoulders. And the running backs are a terrific group. Marshawn, Justin, Leon and Mike Rob (Michael Robinson) are fantastic guys. So we don’t lack for that at all. It’s a natural question to ask, and we love the guys that were here. But I think the transition will go rather quickly and we’ll be fine.

Q: So do you see this as a natural transition: You went from having one of the oldest teams in the league to one of the youngest?

Carroll: John (Seahawks general manager John Schneider) was the one that made it clear to me when we were first putting this together our ideas and stuff the benefits of being young. And if we worked it, we could strive for that, and we could be a very young, up-and-coming team always – that through the draft and through your acquisitions that you could keep a young crew. That doesn’t mean that you don’t covet the older guys. It just means that you continue to upgrade with young guys and speed and athleticism, and that way you make your team more competitive.

Q: That’s interesting, because I think the thought process is you win with experience in pro sports. You need those older guys that have been there and done that. It sound like your philosophy is the mixture is important, but you need the young guys driving it?

Carroll: Yeah, I think just the energy of the young guys plays such a big role in so many aspects of your team – on special teams and in supporting roles and all of that. And it’s marvelous if your older guys do a good job of directing. And they don’t have to be 10-year or 12-year veteran to be those kinds of guys.

Chris Clemons is a good leader on this football team. And Heater (David Hawthorne), who had been the middle linebacker a couple yeas ago, steps right back into that role, and he has no problem being out in front and all of that.

So we’ll find out. I think an illustration of that is the Packers. The Packers were the second or third-youngest team in the league last year. And if you have the experience in the right spots – which is really the quarterback spot – then you’re okay.

Q: You said that Hasselbeck was a priority to bring back right after the season was over. Did you agonize over losing the quarterback who had become the face of the franchise over the last decade?

Carroll: I was really disappointed that it just didn’t happen. But we tried to communicate with him right off the bat so it could happen before the free agency thing and we got locked up. But it didn’t. And I totally understand why – it was a negotiation and all of that. But in this year, everything was up in the air, and things changed.

And the sense of urgency, understanding how short this could possibly be, which is exactly how it turned out to be, I just felt like it changed the landscape of the decision. And so with an opportunity to get a guy who had been in the system for years, and who could bring athleticism and play experience, too, it changed things.

We would have had to start all over again. We wouldn’t have started all over at the first day of camp, we would have had to start all over again about 10 or 11days into camp (Carroll is referring to the fact that free agents could not practice with teams until Aug. 4). And I didn’t think that was in the best interest of this club.

So that changed. We thought differently earlier.

Q: How did that evolve? Because you said Matt was a priority to bring back right after the season was over.

Carroll: Yes, absolutely. That was the first guy we went after. We met with Matt immediately. I think we even met with him right before that press conference, or right after. And we told him what we were thinking and how we wanted to do this. But in the process they waited until the very end to let us know the answer was no, and there was no time to do anything about it. So that’s the way it went.

Q: So in a regular offseason it might have been different?

Carroll: Yeah, it could have been different. It could have been an entirely different decision. But this was a unique year. And so we made a big transition in the franchise. Fortunately, the move we made on Charlie (Whitehurst) last year looks terrific right now. Charlie is playing his tail off. And he’s going to compete to be a starter on this club almost immediately, and sooner than we thought. And that’s great for us.

But our commitment to Tarvaris is really a commitment to the execution of a really good plan, and to put a team together in very short order. And because of the coaching shifts there are things that made that come to the surface.

Are we clear on that?

Q: You mean the reason you brought Tarvaris in?

Carroll: Yes, I want to be as clear as I can on that, because really I kind flipped the competitive thing here in the sense that I think it’s the best competitive thing we can do for our club to make him the quarterback right now, and not worry about an open competition and dividing reps and stuff. There’s just no time.

Take today’s practice. Tarvaris took 80 percent of the reps at least in that practice just to get ready. And we’re still racing with a new team. So if we were dividing those reps, then where are we going to for the sake of competition?

So it wouldn’t be fair to the rest of the team or our fans – everybody that’s following us. So that’s the point. This is the best way for us to compete to get us as far along as we can, and then in time that factor won’t be as big of an issue, and then we’ll see how things are going, just as we always do.

And I love what Tarvaris can do. I think he’s a fantastic player. I’m just hoping that we can support him properly and play good around him so he can get rolling for us, and that hasn’t quite happened yet. We haven’t played as well up front as we need to, but it’s on the come. It’s there for us.

Q: How do you feel Whitehurst has handled the situation?

Carroll: He’s decided to battle, and he’s done a marvelous job of it. He took full advantage of the first 10 days when he had the club to himself, and he just did a great job of applying himself and learning

“He’s really stepped up. Charlie’s different. He’s very confident, more so than before. He’s determined to show it every time he goes out. He’s got a look about him and a way about him showing that he’s really grown up in this thing. And I think he waited a little bit to see what was going on, and he kind of poured it on. And it’s really cool that he’s done that.

He could have done more in the offseason. He couldn’t have done too much more scheme-wise, but he could have done more in the offseason. With that thought, I think he had to wait and see how it all fitted together and all of that.

Q: So it sounds like you were a little disappointed that maybe he didn’t take on a more active role in the player-led workouts, which were led by Hasselbeck and Justin Forsett?

Carroll: We had no control over that and couldn’t talk to him. So there was no communication at all, but that’s just what it was. And there’s nothing we could do about it. It was just a mess. But we made it through it.

I just saw him shift. He’s in full gear right now, and I love seeing it.

Q: You parted ways with several guys that you coached at USC – Lawrence Jackson, LenDale White, Lofa Tatupu among them – how do separate those personal relationship you had with those players versus the business aspect of running a team?

Carroll: I love those guys and they are all tough decisions. But those tough decisions I’m more than willing to make. I got no problem with it. I’ve got to do it, and we just weigh things out.

The relationship will never change. It’s just too deep. Lofa and our background just goes too deep. There will be a whole life after football that I’m sure we’ll be associated with in some fashion and in some way, you know? But you have to make the choices that are right for the club, and the players know that. They don’t like it personally some times, but they know that. And I know it, too.

But on the other side of it, I like having our guys around. Look at what Malcolm (Smith) has done in this camp. He’s a great example of taking advantage of the years that we’ve spent together, the relationships that we’ve had and Kenny’s (linebackers coach Ken Norton) background. And he’s come in flying around as a rookie and a seventh-round draft choice. He’s had a great camp for us.

And Dominique Byrd coming back to life, and Mike (Williams) coming back to life. There’s some benefits to the relationships, but somewhere it ends.

Q: And not only the USC guys, but you have used your relationship and evaluations of other L.A. area players like Brandon Browner to your advantage.

Carroll: Yeah, certainly Brandon Browner because we knew about him as a kid and played against him in college. All I need to do is see that time he ran out here (Browner ran a 4.53 40-yard-dash on his workout for Seattle), when he came in here on a cold day and ran that time in the 40, I said to myself, ‘Whoa Lord, this is really a special opportunity.’ Because he’s a monster at playing the techniques we like to play, and the style we like to play. He’s had a fantastic camp.

Q: What been the differences that you’ve noticed in working with college players and pro athletes? Or is there a difference?

Carroll: They develop a little more of an opinion, that’s all (laughs).

Q: And they can express it?

Carroll: Sometimes (laughs). What’s really exciting as a coach is to coach guys that love the game, and really love being a part of it. Love studying it. These guys are all like that, and so that level of depth that you get to reach to is really special.

I remember sitting at N.C. State one day in Spring football, and we were in a meeting with some players. And those kids had no idea what we were talking about, and they were half asleep getting ready for a hot practice in the spring time.

And I never forgot that thought compared to being at camps at Buffalo in my first year in the league. And the guys were into learning and they wanted to know what was going on and they had questions. And it was such a deeper relationship that you had, because they cared so much and it was important to them. It’s a job, and they love the game and they’ve gone that far and they are those kinds of people.

So you appreciate that relationship with a professional athlete, because it’s so important to them. And the college guys are still trying to figure it out. They’ve got college. They’ve got school – everything. They’re growing up, so there’s a million things out there to distract them, and they’re more scattered.

I would like to think at SC we got really close to guys and it was important to them, but it’s not the same. For these guys, it means more to them. So its’ a deeper, richer relationship that you have with these guys. I don’t think people often tell you that, but that’s what I’ve experienced with these guys. You want to be great, and you want guys that want to be great, and you’re trying to really go someplace special. It’s very unique.

Q: So your players have to be of that same mindset?

Carroll: Yeah. I think people on the outside would think it’s the other way – that guys don’t care that much and they just want the money and then they hit the road. These guys care – the guys we’ve brought in. The guys that we are assembling here and that we continue to try and find are those kinds of people. And we think that’s what it takes to take it as far as we can take it and win a championship.

Q: Looking back at when you first took over, is this where you thought the team would be?

Carroll: It’s only better than I thought it would be. It’s not that much different. I think the relationship that John (Schneider) and I have been able to put together and work with has been as good as you can hope. My goal was to have an extremely good relationship with the guy who was going to help me in personnel in that general manager position, and it’s been better than I thought it could be. John and I have been having a blast doing it.

That’s the first thing. Because we have to make every one of these choices together and work it out. And right from the outset I wanted to do everything I could to make this a special relationship so we could communicate, care for one another and do the right thing. And that’s what has happened, and that’s made it even better than I thought it could be.

I never ever wanted to be in the NFL unless you could have a chance to have that kind of relationship. And it worked out great. I mean, think of all the things we’ve been able to pull it together. John just said it today, ‘Can you believe all the decisions we’ve made?’ And we were kind of laughing about it, and we were working on something this morning. So that’s been awesome.

I think our ability to dynamically change so quickly has surprised me. And I didn’t think we’d be able to change this much this fast, and have a connection already with these guys. I mean, how could all of that happen this fast? But it feels like it has. And so we have a chance to be really good, and there’s not anybody in this building that doesn’t feel that. And so I don’t know what’s going to happen, but it’s not that far off.

So I most grateful to have that relationship with John, so we can do all of the things we’ve had to do. Because I remember clearly what it was like to not have this relationship and to try and operate in this business, and this is great stuff.

Q: So you need a guy in there that thinks the same way as you do?

Carroll: I think you have to be like this (Carroll puts his two fingers together.) It’s so crucial. There could be a great personnel guy and a great coach and it just doesn’t work. I mean you can work together and work it out, but to facilitate, to find the potential in your ability, and to make decision and choices and to move, and to make it in the timely fashion that allows you to keep moving, you need trust, and an understanding. When somebody says something, you need to know what they’re talking about.

And John and I have worked our way so we can relate really well. When I say something, I think he knows what I’m talking about. And when he says something, I know what he’s talking about. And we can anticipate each other. That makes you quick, fluid, flexible and agile. That’s something that we have going right now, and I’m hoping it will be a famous relationship.

Q: How would you describe that relationship – big brother/little brother?

Carroll: It’s a little bit like that because I’m so much older than he is (Carroll is 59, Schneider is 40). Then again, we’re not that far off in the way that we think. But in my mind, I set out to take responsibility for this relationship, because to me that’s the key. Without that, you’re just going to luck out every once in a while, and you’re going to have your up-and-down stuff.

But to be really strong over a long time, that relationship needs to be rock solid. And I’m far enough in my career in that I don’t want to hear somebody telling me what to do. And I don’t do that. And so I don’t have to. We just work together. We make decisions just like we’re one person when we do it. It’s a marriage, that’s really what it is. And we’re hanging in there pretty good.

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  1. Terrific interview, Eric! Great to read this first thing in the morning.

    I really like the way you guys got Carroll to clarify the QB competition issue. That’s been a big thing guys have been talking about here.

    Carroll: “Charlie is playing his tail off. And he’s going to compete to be a starter on this club almost immediately, and sooner than we thought… But our commitment to Tarvaris is really a commitment to the execution of a really good plan, and to put a team together in very short order… I want to be as clear as I can on that, because really I kind flipped the competitive thing here in the sense that I think it’s the best competitive thing we can do for our club to make him the quarterback right now, and not worry about an open competition and dividing reps and stuff. There’s just no time… if we were dividing those reps, then where are we going to for the sake of competition?”

  2. Skavage says:

    Great interview. Thanks for posting it!

  3. pabuwal says:

    I think Carroll’s explanation on why he named Jackson the starter immediately was 100% right on and the right way to go. Very few teams have QB competitions anymore, it wastes far too many resources that can go into other areas of the team. This was also a philosophy of Holmgren – that QB competitions were counterproductive. From 1999-2002, he could have had one each year and didn’t. He settled on his guy before training came and ran with it.

  4. Tigloki says:

    I agree with Stevos great first thing in the morning read!

    I also enjoyed reading the clarification on the whole QB thing, from Matt all the way through. But the part that really stood out and made me excited was his discussion of his relationship with JS and their philosophy being the same and the “…quick, fluid, flexible and agile…” nature of their decision making process.

    This is all a good thing assuming that their philosophy is correct. Or at least functional. There is nothing worse than watching a team you care about tear itself apart from the inside because of differences in vision, and resentment when the other vision gets its way, and then if things don’t go perfectly there is the finger pointing and…..just not good.

    I think that good, bad or otherwise our leadership is all pulling the same direction. And PC is right, “That’s something that we have going right now, and I’m hoping it will be a famous relationship.”

    If their vision is correct and they can make adjustments, when needed, with the same sort of lockstep mentality, I think their relationship will, indeed, be famous.

  5. pabuwal says:

    Tigloki – I agree on the philosophy point. Carroll has a much different way of building a football team than most NFL teams do in terms of the types of players he prefers.

    He prefers bigger and slower WRs and CBs. He has one completely oversized DE and one undersized DE which is unusual in the 4-3. He prefers QBs with great athleticism even if their completion percentage hovers in the low to mid 50s area. They drafted Carpenter because they felt he was a better fit for the system than Gabe Carimi (I am guessing because Carpenter was a mauler?). They wanted to draft Trent Williams last year because he was a better fit in the ZBS than Okung. They gave away Rob Sims and Lawrence Jackson last year simply because these guys didn’t fit their system.

    All I can do is hope and trust that his approach is the right one, because otherwise its going to be another 5 years of bad football. The last 3 years have been painful enough.

    If they start 2-6 which is very probable with the schedule, that would mean he would be 5-13 after starting his Seahawks career 4-2. I still wouldn’t regard that as an indictment on his philosophy but I certainly would like to see them improve during the 2nd half of the season to feel good about the direction.

  6. HawkyHann says:

    Great post. Loved reading this. I remember PC stating how they had to nail their draft picks last year. Have they done this?

  7. pabs – I think you’re mostly right. He has a philosophy and he’s going to live/die by it. One thing I’ll say for Mr. Happy, is that I’m sure he prefers big/tall WRs who can fly (like Calvin Johnson) but they don’t exactly grow on trees. So, if he has to pick from a big/slow guy in comparision to a small fast guy, he’s going with the big/tall. The same could be said for his CBs, too.

    Must keep telling myself that we’re going to sign Matt Flynn and draft a nasty DE with our early 1st round pick next year or that Tarvaris is going to lead us to the #1 overall pick so we can get Luck. That’s all that’s gonna get me through this season (or getting some QB I believe in to take over).

    For a good laugh:
    http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3708/tarvaris-jackson

  8. chuck_easton says:

    Well let’s look at last year’s draft picks to see if the team nailed them:

    Okung- starter
    Thomas – starter
    Tate – still with team and showing signs of improvement
    Chancellor – starter
    Thurmond – nickel CB and potential starter
    McCoy – #2 TE
    Davis – backup DE
    Konz – PS

    So every player drafted last year is still with the team. 3 are starters. 4 are immediate backups. 1 is an athletic player that just needs time to find his true position.

    I’d say that’s nailing your draft.

  9. “But our commitment to Tarvaris is really a commitment to the ~EXECUTION~
    of a really good plan, and to put a team together in very short order. And because of the coaching shifts there are things that made that come to the surface.” Carroll

    Jackson has had very little success moving this offense but on the THREE occasions he did TWO ended in an INT in the end zone. Against the Vikings from the 25 Jackson over threw Rice but the safety dropped it in the end zone. In 4 pre season games he led the team to one TD. Yeah, Bevell didn’t miss a beat with his QB.

    He’s (Tjunk) been what WE (most) thought he’d be. Even worse than I first thought.

    A questionable OC’s project now leading my Hawks. At this point Carroll needs his head examined. Bevell has had AP running the rock reaching the playoffs with 37 year old Frerotte. He lost that game starting his pet, T Junk.
    Enter Favre. Again the Vikes reach the playoffs but AP fumbles away a Super Bowl appearance. A Bevell gadget play, reverse to Harvin, also ended in a turn over.
    Bevell has had success with Frerotte and Favre both older than Hassellbeck but I’m being led to believe the better choice was Tjunk.

    Chuck_E – Curry is still with the team… nailed?
    Thomas or Iupati
    Carpenter or Carimi
    But the first draft was exciting trading for Washington. Shame we didn’t land Blount off waivers although I’m a fan of Lynch but he cost a 4th and next year 6th

  10. chuck_easton says:

    And to continue the draft review lets look at 2011.

    Carpenter – Starter
    Moffitt – Starter
    Wright – solid backup LB
    Durham – backup WR
    Sherman #4 CB and will play a role
    Legree – cut status as to pickup unknown
    Maxwell – #5 CB and a big role on ST
    Levingston – should be on PS today
    Smith – solid backup LB

    I’d say PC and Schneider are doing well in the draft.

  11. Chuck,

    You left out E.J. Wilson, but otherwise are right on the money. I would consider 3 starters a very successful draft. Anything above and beyond that is icing on the cake.

  12. chuck_easton says:

    Excile

    Thomas vs iiupati is a toss up. Would have won either way.

    Curry was 2009 and a Ruskell pick. Not this FOs fault

    Carpenter or Carimi? I know many of us would have gone Carimi. Time will tell who is the better player

    And you were one of the few that had Blount right. Remember he was undrafted by every team not just the Seahawks and was cut out of camp by Tennesee before landing in Tampa.

  13. To clarify, last comment was regarding the ’10 draft.

    Based on Carroll’s “Rah rah” attitude and some flashes we saw in the preseason against #2/#3 lineups, it’s hard not to get excited about this year’s draft, but I think it’s a bit too premature to evaluate it. Heck, it’s probably too early to accurately judge the ’10 draft…

  14. You just know our Seahawks are going to do just enough to either be out of contention for the leading QB’s or have to give away the house to trade up, but not good enough to get to the play offs… a 5-11, 6-10 type season. Its all about a steep learning curve for this very young team this year so as long as we see improvement and a team coming together and staying competitive I will be happy.

    I can live with T-Jack I think he is a serviceable QB that will work a system well, will never be a superstar or team leader more a team manager

    My worry is Sidney Rice, undoubtedly has the game but he has to get on the field to show it. He again is showing he may be made of glass and the season hasnt even started. I just get that gut feeling we will be lucky to see 10 games out of him this year and just wont get the return on investment. I hope im wrong but good players are only good if they play

  15. HawkfaninMT says:

    Didnt they also draft Ej Wilson last year?

    Not saying it wasnt an epic draft (you left out the acquisition of Washignton), but just to be as accurate as possible to assess

  16. Chuck – you can’t necessarily say because they are starters they did well in the draft. They could be starters on a very bad team. Or they could be Pro Bowl starters on a very good team. But right now.it is unknown.

    And I will argue that in the 2010 draft Carroll and team did a mediocre job based on early returns. Coming into the 2009 draft, it was known that the 2009 draft was going to be weak and the 2010 draft was going to be very strong because of the juniors coming out in advance of the 2011 clamp downs on rookie salaries.

    Ruskell takes the criticism because he was saddled with a high pick in an awful draft year (2009) but he delivered two top of half of the 1st round draft picks to Carroll. Supposedly Carroll wanted to take Trent Williams if he was available and Jimmy Clausen if the Eagles (who jumped right in front of the Seahawks to draft Brandon Graham). But even if these rumors weren’t true, its still hard to give Carroll credit for having 2 high draft picks in a very very deep draft.

    Looking at what they did otherwise in 2010 is not impressive after all. They drafted 2 players in Tate and Thurmond that can’t even start on this team. This team has no WR that scares defenses and the CB position is shaky. I can’t say these were “good” picks as of yet.

    I think Okung with his play right now is a Pro Bowler (assuming of course he can stay healthy). I think Earl Thomas needs to become more of a “sure” tackler rather than bouncing off RBs and needs to be more dependable in pass coverage (rather than playing out of position) before we can discuss him as a Pro Bowler. But he’s certainly heading in the right direction.

    If two of the following: Tate, Thurmond and Chancellor) become quality starters than Carroll deserves a lot of credit. But if they are merely backups or starters on a bad team, I won’t give him any credit for that 2010 draft, regardless of Okung and Thomas.

    2011 hinges on Carpenter vs Carimi. Carimi was favored by our resident experts on the board and the draft experts felt Carpenter was a reach. If the Seahawks lose out on that gamble, than the 2011 draft stands a large chance of becoming a failure.

    At this point, I am putting my faith in Carroll that it all works out. The alternative is way too painful and takes us back to the Flores days.

    But I still think its 50/50 that the 2010-2011 drafts become known as great drafts or busts.

  17. chuck_easton says:

    Pabuwal

    I’m going glass half full approach here but so far the hits appear to outweigh the misses by this FO. Especially compared to the previous FO who had way more misses

    Wilson and apparently Legree are the only two outright misses.

    Jury is still out on others.

    And in fairness we should count Whitehurst as the 2010 3rd rounder. I won’t go there as to how to count that one as he may finish this year as the starting QB.

  18. The 2010 draft definitely looks like a success. As for 2011, we’ll have to wait and see. Too early to tell. But what I love is that the Seahawks have added talented players in so many ways. For example, Okung, Thomas (draft); BMW (reclamation project); Baldwin, Johnson (UDFA), Rice, Washington, Clemons (trade); Browner (CFL); Hauschka (waiver wire); Portis (jailhouse recruitment program).

  19. I agree the jury is still out on most draft choices (for me it’s all but Okung and Thomas).

    Early on, some of Ruskell’s draft picks looked ok also, by the definition you spelled out. But remember, he only had one 1st round pick in the first half and that was everyone’s favorite whipping boy – Aaron Curry. That was truly a bad first half of a 1st round and we all knew it coming in. To me, Okung and Thomas was pretty obvious picks, hand delivered by Ruskell with an assist by the Redskins and the Eagles. We would be crying in our drinks right now if they really drafted Williams and Clausen.

    I hate to put a lot of analysis on one pick, but this Carpenter pick touches upon our concerns/questions – how will they do drafting at the end of round 1 and how will they do selecting a system specific player vs a player at the same position who was ranked better by the draft experts and this board’s OL experts?

  20. AaronCurryIsBUST says:

    Outstanding interview, thanks for sharing.

  21. Concerning having an open competition for QB:

    “So it wouldn’t be fair to the rest of the team or our fans.”

    Please give this fan an open competition for QB.

    Also, I call total bullsh!t on Jackson being the better option over Hasselbeck if they genuinely are trying to comPete this season. Matt doesn’t have enough experience in this WCO or didn’t have the knowlege of Jackson? WTF!?!? I’d venture to guess that Matt knows the Bevell system better than the Junkster even though he never played for him. Matt had extensive WCO experience like Favre did when Favre went to training camp LATE (yes, that’s right, LATE) a few years ago in Minnesota and had a career year. No way in hell I’m buying that LIE about a shortage of time being the determining factor between Matt and the Junskter.

    However, part of their master plan probably involves Jackson and Whitehurst sucking this season so they can get Luck or have to wait for Matt Flynn to become a free agent after the season. That I can live with.

    But, please Mr. Happy, don’t insult our intelligence by saying you nailed a master plan of bringing in Jackson and that’s the best thing that could have happened if you’re serious about winning this year. If you’re too far fetched in your dreaming, you lose credibility with everyone (players and fans). If a player or fan hears you talk about a player like: “And I love what Tarvaris can do. I think he’s a fantastic player.” Well, if you talk about how “fantastic” someone is and he turns out to suck, I would say you lose credibility to a certain degree and the trust of the locker room is the worst thing you can lose. I’m not suggesting to tell the media that you signed a crappy QB (not at all). But you don’t have to keep saying you dang near have the reincarnation of John Elway either. I know you have to build up his confidence, but there’s got to be a better balance. Simply naming him the starter and saying you’re going to stick with him b/c he’s “your guy” is pretty darn good without going overboard. And even though Jackson is 100 times more of an athlete than Matt, at least Matt knows when to get rid of the ball and certainly isn’t as much of a sitting statue in the pocket (although he is a statue these days… just not as bad as the Junkster).

    Lastly, I don’t want to hear how “time” has hurt these Seahawks this week. The team they are playing this week is a heck of a lot worse off. They have a brand new coaching staff and those guys really are behind the 8-ball with the lockout. At least all of our returning defensive starters knew they were going to be in the same system, unlike anyone from the 49ers and everyone else returning knew most of the coaches (even if the offense was going to be new). I think we have a decent chance to win this weekend because of it. I’m not saying we will, but I wouldn’t be surprised by it either. Maybe we can win the game 4-2?

  22. Chuck_E – Blount was a trouble maker. But even so he wooed the on lookers of Tenn practice. I believe Schneids had said he would have nabbed him if Tampa hadn’t picked him up off waivers. To bad Carroll was waisting time on Lendale White.

    I only mentioned Curry because you claim the draft to be solid if they’ve drafted a starter.
    As for drafting Curry I might have done the same. Paying #4 money for a QB to set? Move like that would really be questioned. The other top picks haven’t excelled. Orakpo? Have a look at those selected. At the time Curry was receiving all the hoopa la. Mayock claimed Curry the best he’d seen in ten year. Thinking LT or Seau. Hopefull he turns the corner into a Julian Peterson. Speaking of, wasn’t it odd they traded him before the draft? Made room for drafting Curry like they knew before hand.

  23. Bobbyk – After the first few games of growing pains, I actually don’t think what the Seahawks get from the QB position this year will be that much different than the last 5 years overall.

  24. I’m curious to know exactly what happened with Hasselbeck – meaning, how genuine was their pursuit of him, and did he really wait until the last moment to tell them no?

    Either way, I’m still on board with Carroll – the team needed a re-boot, and I think he’s much more the guy to do it than someone like Mora was.

    I think moving on from Hass, both symbolically, and literally on the field, confirmed that we are in re-build, and that’s ok. Like most here, I’m not going to particularly enjoy the 4 or 5 win season, but I appreciate that there does at least to be somebody firmly in charge of the team’s direction, and that there is a plan.

  25. Look at the surrounding talent. Did Matt ever have a WR as close to as good as Rice? A TE as good as Miller? The Junkster doesn’t have to be as “good” because he’s loaded with more weapons than Matt ever had. Or don’t you think surrounding talent has an effect on player performance?

  26. Bobby,

    “I call total bullsh!t on Jackson being the better option over Hasselbeck if they genuinely are trying to comPete this season.”

    Where did Carroll say that? Please show me. I see that he said they went after Matt and didn’t hear back until late in the process and were forced to move in another direction. Now this could have been because they didn’t give Matt a fair offer, but I don’t see anywhere in the interview that Carroll said “Jackson is a better option than Hasselbeck.”

    No doubt you’ve seen more of Jackson than I or most of us on this blog, but you’ve made your position pretty clear. (over and over and over…) He certainly hasn’t proved you wrong either. But, the interview hints pretty strongly (in my interpretation) that Jackson will be on a short leash and Charlie will be given a shot if/when he fails. And based on both of those guys getting short-term deals, it’s pretty evident (to me, anyway) that they’re waiting for someone else to be their long-term solution. Cool your jets, man.

  27. LeePridemore says:

    The Seahawks are going to start the season four and one. So, let’s start focusing these comments on how that is going to happen.

    For example, how is Eric D. Williams going to get to the airport on Saturday? Steveos, I think you should drive him to the airport. It would be the first time you’ve made a worthwhile contribution in two weeks.

    Chuck_Eat’em, please tell us how you think the ‘Hawks first offensive series is going to be scripted, instead of obsessing about the draft. I’ve got a hint for you, Darren Bevell swallows a smart pill at breakfast on game days. He chases it with hot, black coffee.

    Hey Dukefryer, there is a monster under Jon Gruden’s bed, his name is Clem, and he gonna roll Alex Smith up like a piece of meat and eat him for lunch.

    Week 1 is here. Countdown to Kick-Off is 6 days, 1 hour, 54 minutes and 3..2..1..

  28. BobbyK – I think you and I would have a great phone conversation on the Seahawks one day.

    To me, Miller is a slight upgrade over Carlson. Carlson is a 50 catch, 550 yard guy and Miller is a 60 catch, 700 yard guy. Not really a huge difference. Rice is a wildcard, but I have questions on if he can stay healthy for 16 games. He has had just one good year where he produced at a number 1 level and was completely healthy.

    Last year I thought Hasselbeck had pass protection along the lines of what he had earlier his career. Jackson certainly isn’t going to have anywhere near that in the first quarter of the year. So you’ve blamed the OL for a lot of Hasselbeck’s woes the past few years (when I thought his pass protection was ok), I would think now you have to admit that early on this year that at best Jackson will receive the worst protection Hasselbeck received his last few years.

    I would also say Locker will be the starting QB by midseason in Tennessee, through injury or ineffectiveness.

  29. LOL
    that was funny… get the memo, Stevo?

  30. Pabs – you’re gonna claim Hass had pass protection after Jones went down in the Dallas game? DeMarcus Ware sacked him twice in that game alone.

  31. chuck_easton says:

    Ok LeePridemore I love a challenge.

    First series:

    1st and 10 – Lynch off LT 1yard gain
    2nd and 9 – Lynch off RG 2 yard loss
    3rd and 11 – TJack incomplete pass
    4th and 11 – 55 yard punt by Ryan no return.

    I hope I’m wrong but I’m not expecting the team to gel right away.

  32. Excile – both Jones and Hasselbeck finished the entire Cowboys Thanksgiving game and neither played another game that year.

  33. pabs – Are you saying that the fact that the Seahawks couldn’t run the ball has no effect on an offense? I’ll agree that the pass protection, outside the Raiders game, wasn’t bad at all last year. However, is it easier to play pass defense against a QB if that defense knows for a fact that that team cannot run the ball? You give the Seahawks offense last year an AP and a legit running game (like the Junkster has had) and I guarantee that our QB play would look a heck of a lot better on the stat sheet. Will you dispute this? Or would Emmitt Smith have rushed for the same yardage numbers with the mid-90s Cowboys as he would have with the Seahawks pathetic run “blocking” offensive line of the last half decade.

  34. Do you think that the Seahawks run game will be any better this year? The only way this can happen is if Washington somehow can become the lead back and take the pounding.

    If anything the run game will be worse this year (if thats possible). Forsett and Lynch aren’t getting any better and this OL is going to be worse run blocking (at least for the first half). So as far as the run games go, both Hasselbeck and Jackson will be operating from the same low point of support.

  35. LeePridemore says:

    Hey Chick_eat’em,

    The “Hawks ran the same eight offensive plays, over and over during the pre-season. Do you have any idea what “75 Cadillac” means? Once you see the 75 Cadillac, you’re going to buy a Jackson Jersey.

  36. I mean to say the run game Hasselbeck had in 2010 will be just as bad as the run game Jackson will have in 2011, so that makes comparisons between the performance of the 2 easier.

  37. tophat – I interpret the following quote as… “We decided to go with Jackson because we needed him and his knowledge for our system and he, suddenly, became a better fit than Matt.” I may be wrong, but that’s what I got out of it.

    “And the sense of urgency, understanding how short this could possibly be, which is exactly how it turned out to be, I just felt like it changed the landscape of the decision. And so with an opportunity to get a guy who had been in the system for years, and who could bring athleticism and play experience, too, it changed things.”

    The funny thing about the lockout is… we all know darn well that people talk even when they aren’t supposed to. Does anyone find it hard to believe that every year before free agency that “all of a sudden” people come to big deals just minutes into free agency? Of course they talk. And just before the lockout began and when Matt and the Hawks couldn’t agree to a deal… you know darn well that they could have kept on talking to iron something out (“secretively”). It happens every year. It’s like all of the “non-contact” off-season stuff that used to happen all the time. Supposedly it doesn’t, but everyone knows it does and it acknowledged.

  38. okay, pabs, that makes a little more sense. I may not agree, but it does make more sense. I wish Matt would have gotten to throw jump balls to Rice though.

  39. chuck_easton says:

    Lee

    It’s a deal. I hope you are right and I will happily buy a Jackson jersey if you are. :)

  40. Bobby,

    See, and I interpreted it as “We decided to go with Jackson … became a better fit than Charlie.”

    And I understand that it’s a bit tough to sort through all the stuff Carroll (or any coach) says to find the truth. Perhaps we’ll never know what happened between Hasselbeck and the Seahawks’ organization. I was sad to see him go in favor of either Jackson or Whitehurst, but we, as fans, must move forward.

    And for the record, I’ve been lurking on these forums since the Sando days and you have been one of the few, consistent quality posters I scan for when I read the comments page. The constant “T-Junk” posts are just a bit played out, in my opinion. I guess I’ll have to take the good with the bad though. :)

  41. Soggybuc says:

    Pete is just being nice in not admitting that Matt wanted to follow the money and they had a set number they didn’t want to exceed. I don’t blame Matt as this is his last contract most likely and I don’t blame the FO in holding the line on what they would spend on an aging QB that was not the future. he got a good deal in Tenn. but lets see how long it lasts as they will show him the door sooner than later for Locker. it was all about the business and money. the ugly side of the NFL.

    And Bobby what do you expect him to say? of course it’s all roses and puppy dogs. have you ever heard much of anything else ever come out of a coaches mouth? not unless it’s one on the way out like Dennis Green.
    you are way too smart to not have figured out what they say matters for diddly and what they do tells the real story.

  42. As I take a step back and see the big picture I see clearly that the blueprint is set up for us to address the QB situation this upcoming off-season (whoever that may be). I know that’s what’s for the best and there were no “real” answers for us this year (with Locker and Ponder being drafted where they were and with Ponder definitely having been a major “reach” where we were drafting… but the Vikings, who were desperate for a real QB, really reached for him in the first half of the round in part b/c they viewd our guy as what we’re seeing he is).

    The most frustrating part for me is the constant ridiculing from all the locals. They all know how bad he is and aren’t afraid to make fun of me for it and it does get sickening. Kind of like the Hutch thing… if he would have went somewhere else, I wouldn’t have been so irate (but still plenty mad). It makes it really hard here in MN.

    But for the here and now, it simply sucks knowing that this entire season is all for nothing, as in we have no chance to win it all (not that the player development won’t be fun to see). Even these last years of finishing under .500 I at least went into each season with hope. I have no hope this year and I hate it. All I care about is the off-season and getting a QB and having had a season for our OL to gel. If we do suffer any big injuries this year, I won’t care nearly as much b/c all I’ll really hope for is that they are ready for the start of camp in ’12 b/c that’s all that really matters, to me, anymore.

  43. Regarding Sydney Rice, I don’t know if he’s going to have a great year. But I do know that the Top 6 WRs are better than any group of Seahawk WRs I recall. So there’s a very good chance that if Rice doesn’t produce, someone else will.

  44. pabuwal says:

    BobbyK – your expectations for Jackson are so low, they will certainly be exceeded (assuming Okung can stay healthy). If Carpenter can stop playing the role of a turnstyle and if Rice can stay healthy, you’ll be surprised. 3-5 will be good enough for first place at midseason in the NFC West.

    Can’t you ask the locals how many playoff games the Viking won with Hutch (1), how many the Seahawks won with Hutch (2) and then without Hutch (3)? What can they say about that? They haven’t even gone to a SB with him, they’ve just won one measly playoff game with him. They had Favre for 2 years, so they can’t lay the blame all on Jackson.

  45. AaronCurryIsBUST says:

    Give credit where credit is due, Carroll/Schneider have created an outstanding stable of receiving threats for a franchise QB to step in and succeed with. Sidney Rice and Mike Williams are giants and freak talents, Ben Obomanu is strong and dependable, Tate has fantastic big play potential and is a versatile weapon, Durham looks like that next Joe Jurevicius, Doug Baldwin might become something useful. And cherry on top, Pro-Bowl TE Zach Miller with his prime years still ahead. In fact, all of these WRs have their prime years ahead!

  46. Peter King on Portis: “Did you see Portis at all this camp? Once he learns the playbook, he’s going to be an interesting prospect for offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell to work with. Good arm, good runner, seems fearless.”

    From Steve Kelley’s column about Browner: “But in the past five years he had auditioned for Miami, Philadelphia, Minnesota and the Seahawks and never gotten a call back.”

    PC deserves credit for actually giving Browner a shot. Apparently Holmgren (or was it Mora?) did not.

  47. I was happy with DDrop, BE, JJ and Stevens. Just to bad Mili went down. Wouldn’t be hearing all the smack on a POS dirt road rapist.

    2005 receiving core was the real deal. Had it not been for a ticky tac PI on Jackson, holding on Lock and Hass miss fired bomb to the end zone pylon. That accompanied by poor officiating… no one would question they were the best in C_Hawk history.

    ACIB – sorry, never read an upbeat post from you

  48. “As I take a step back and see the big picture I see clearly that the blueprint is set up for us to address the QB situation this upcoming off-season (whoever that may be). ”

    Right. And there’s a logic to it – take our lumps this year, let our young O-line get better, and it will be a better situation for a young QB to jump into in ’12 or ’13.

    “But for the here and now, it simply sucks knowing that this entire season is all for nothing, as in we have no chance to win it all (not that the player development won’t be fun to see). Even these last years of finishing under .500 I at least went into each season with hope.”

    Yeah, I’m with you on this. With no more basketball, and another in an endless string of losing baseball seasons, my focus and anticipation for football has really intensified, and it’s a drag to think we have to go through a whole year of waiting for next year. But . . . that said, we do play in the NFC West, and you know there will be at least one unexpected, underdog win for us this year, there almost always is. And maybe CW will get his shot and surprise us all . . .

  49. LeePeesMore says: “The Seahawks are going to start the season four and one”

    With a line averaging, what 23 years old, the Seahawks are going 4-1 out of the gate? Hahahaha! Anyone here that needs some extra cash should start making this guy take your bets. Easy money.

    And I’ll vouch for Chuck and Duke as a couple of the best contributors around here for years. Lee, You provided some fun comic relief when you first showed up here, but now you’re just sounding kinda bitchy. And this 4-1 thing is just too stupid for words! ;-)

  50. SandpointHawk says:

    No way Pete is doing a swan dive to get Luck…No way no how. This is after all the NFC West. The West is a mess as we all know. I think Charlie will get his shot this season because he has really stepped up his game. Good core group we have here and a good time to rebuild. Not happy with Carp coming into camp out of shape but that will change. This season will hurt at times but we will also have our moments to be sure. Go Seahawks

  51. SandpointHawk says:

    Stevos calls Pridemore out….Oh boy let the games begin….In this corner….

  52. nah, I’m havin some fun with the dude because he was havin some fun with me, that’s all.

    re: Andrew Luck. Funny to hear people say that either we tank and draft Andrew Luck, or we can’t draft a great QB next year. ??????? C’mon, you guys know your history. In many years, the #1 QB drafted is not the best QB a few years later. Some drafts have several great QBs, some none. Kyle Blackledge was drafted ahead of Dan Marino. Dan McGuire was drafted ahead of Brett Favre…

    You can bet the Schneider and his staff have their eyes on a lot more good QBs than just Andrew Luck. Its a deep QB draft next year, and we will be drafting a good one. I’m confident of that.

  53. chuck_easton says:

    Interesting that Levingston wasn’t added to the PS. His agent said the team wanted to add him if he cleared waivers. Either some other team claimed him or he didn’t accept the offer.

    Same with Legree. Either he wasn’t offered or he thinks he can get a better chance somewhere else.

  54. AaronCurryIsBUST says:

    We don’t have to tank for Luck. I bet we’ll be drafting in the mid teens. Then we can trade our 1st, Aaron Curry and another player (Thurmond perhaps), and a future early draft pick to trade up for Luck/Barkley/Jones.

  55. Kyle Blackledge — what you get when you cross Todd Blackledge with Kyle Boller.

  56. MadSweeney42 says:

    Whatever happened to Clayton? I was hoping he’d be on the PS.

  57. LeePridemore says:

    Hey Steveos,
    I’ve got a bad case of football induced hemophillidelphia. It’s like menstrual cycle that never ends. I wouldn’t call it “bitchy”.

  58. LeePridemore says:

    Four and one.

    After the Seahawks beat the Giants in MetLife Stadium on October 9th, their record will be four and one. Eric D. Williams will be invited to appear the next morning on the NBC Today Show to discuss the Seahawks “surprising” start and Natalie Morales will wear a Seahawk jersey, one size too small, while she anchors the NBC Today Show news.

    Fo’ n one.

  59. Signings like Gallery and Brock signal that Mr. Happy won’t tank this year. If this team was going 100% rebuild, they wouldn’t have brought an older Brock back for 1 year or signed Gallery for 3 years.

    As far as Luck not being a lock to be a franchise QB. That’s possible, but doubtful, IMO. I don’t think a stud like Luck should automatically be compared with guys like David Carr or Tim Couch. A guy like Carr was not seen as the best player in his draft, but was taken b/c of the importance of the position he played. So comparing a Luck to players like that is foolish, again, IMO.

    The only “can’t miss” QBs I have seen in my lifetime who went #1 overall were John Elway, Vinny Testaverde, and perhaps Eli Manning (and I think some of that had to do with the success of Peyton more than anything) and maybe Mike Vick, too. I don’t know how the rest of you feel or remember all of the QBs who went #1 overall, but I don’t remember guys like Tim Couch (Champ Bailey), Jeff George (Keith McCants, maybe) or JaMarcus Russell (Calvin Johnson) being the best “can’t miss” players of their drafts, whereas a guy like Luck seems to be the closest thing to “can’t miss” we’ve seen in a long time. A few guys who went #1 overall like Bledsoe (Mirer), Couch (Smith or McNabb), Carr (Harrington) weren’t even sure things as being the best QBs of their drafts, whereas a guy like Luck is pretty much on the road to not only being the best QB available in his class, but the best overall player. Could he be another Vinny Testaverde? Yes. But I’d put my money that’s he going to be closer to John Elway franchise good than Vinny “good.” And that’s why I’d love nothing more than to get him!

  60. Going into the bye:
    Winnable games – SF, AZ, Atl.
    Probable losses – Pit, NYG
    I don’t see any way we can have a winning record going into the bye. Even if we go 2-1 against the realistic chances, I don’t know how we’re going to beat the Ste’a'lers or Giants on the road. I’d say we’ll go into the bye at 1-4 or 2-3. I’d be shocked if we went 3-2 and I don’t think it’s possible (but that’s why they play the games) to go 4-1, let alone an unthinkable 5-0.

  61. Lee, my HDR will be ready for that Today show!

    I’ll take 2-3 to start, 6-10 to finish. But who am I to argue with optimism.

  62. The real question, Bobby, is how many games does Jackson start before Carroll sends Clipboard Charlie riding in on his white horse?

    I’d put the over/under at 9 games.

  63. ChrisHolmes says:

    I’ll take the under Stevos.

    5 wins for this team. Tops.

    And I’m still sticking with my prediction: we’re picking first in the draft next spring. I think the only real threats to that happening are Carolina (I think Cam Newton will be a JaMarcus Russel sized bust) and maybe the 49ers. Browns will be better. Raiders should stink and will give us a run for the top pick…

    We’ll end up with Luck or Barkley though. I’m hoping #1 and Luck.

    And hoping Whitehurst gets to start soon.

    I think Charlie starts after the bye, to be honest. It’s an extra week to prepare. Five weeks is a long time in the NFL for a QB controversy as juicy as this one is going to be. I’m not even sure TJ makes it to bye upright anyway, the way he plays. He can’t get rid of the ball…

  64. I was not intending to compare Luck to anybody. I think he’s likely to be really good.

    What I’m saying is there are likely several other very good QBs available in next year’s draft. We’ll draft one in the middle of the first round. That’s why Schneider gets paid the big bucks. If he didn’t have his eyes on at least a couple of QB prospects who he wants, then he would not have passed up his chance to overpay Kevin Kolb.

  65. I think they were ready to overpay for Kolb last year, but now I think they have their sights set on Matt Flynn (if they aren’t in position to draft Luck). That’s okay by me. I think he’s got some Matt Hasselbeck in him and I think, as Seahawks QB, he’ll struggle next year but be good by mid-2013. Almost exacly like Matt.

    Again, I’m probably wrong and will probably prove to be wrong… but that’s my gut feeling right now (Luck if we suck enough and Flynn if we end up so-so, with a DE coming with our 1st round pick). Either scenario is win-win, even if this season has to suck. It’ll make me appreciate next year even more than the hell I’m about to go through (b/c Charlie must terrible, even if he hasn’t looked it this preseason, if he’s not given a chance to beat out the Junkster). At least Nebraska is in the top 10 and Martinez has a year of experience under his belt to, hopefully, divert some of my football pain. Still, the Seahawks are my favorite team of all sports teams so it can only cover up so much.

    This blog is going to be funny after week 1 b/c I can see us winning… it’ll all be “we’re good” and Jackson played well and isn’t bad. Then week 2 is going to focus on how bad we’re going to suck all year and how we got lucky week 1 against a team that didn’t get to practice all off-season b/c they had a new coaching staff. Things are never as bad as they seem, nor as good as they appear to be (unless you end with a Super Bowl WIN).

    If we’re predicting seasons, I’m hoping for 2 things:

    1. 12-4 with the Junkster winning league MVP honors and making me eat crow on our way to winning the Super Bowl in a game in which Sidney Rice is MVP.

    2. We can draft Luck and he turns out to be close to as good as the last Stanford QB who went #1 overall.

    Instead, I have a feeling that we’ll split with the division, since it sucks so bad, which gives us 3 wins, and the Bengals at home (4 wins)… so 6-10 looks about right. Which gets us Matt Flynn and a DE in the early/mid 1st round. Could be better, could be worse. What the crap do I know. I’m a blowhard like everyone else most of the time.

  66. My game predictions —- best case scenario!!!!

    @SF win (1-0) I expect to win but would not be surprised if it was an L
    @Pit Lose (1-1) sorry this could be ugly
    ARiz win (2-1) gotta win the home opener!
    Atl Lose (2-2) too much explosion for the Falcons
    @NYG Lose (2-3) Road trip – east coast – nuff said
    Bye
    @Cle win (3-3) I think this will be a good one for us
    Cinci win (4-3) could be the worst team in the NFL
    @Dal Lose (4-4)
    Balt lose (4-5)
    @Stl lose 4-6 team on the rise
    Was win 5-6 Snyder will have everyone in fear of being fired by now
    Philly lose 5-7
    Stl win at home!! 6-7
    @Chi Lose 6-8
    SF win 7-8
    @Ari win 8-8

    I could also see us lose @ Cle and @SF and lose to WA at home that puts us at 5-10.

    other teams that could be below us:
    SF, Cinci, Buff, Oak, Ari,

    out of that group I only see 1 that would pass on a QB.

  67. Oh I forgot Car – they will pass on a QB

  68. 1-4 by the bye, @CLE-L, vsCIN-W, @DAL-L, vsBAL-L, @STL-L, vsDC-W, vsPHI-L, vsSTL-L, @CHI-L, vsSF-L, @AZ-L = 3-13
    BUF takes Luck, DC takes either Barkley or Jones and SEA takes whomever’s left.

  69. Right, OK. . . BUF takes Luck, OAK takes either Barkley or Jones and then CIN takes whomever’s left of those two. DC might take Tannehill in the 2nd round, leaving SEA to trade up or find a QB in the later rounds. Unless they’ve been extended, Drew Brees, Matt Flynn, Shaun Hill, Brian Hoyer, Chad Henne, Jason Campbell, Josh Johnson and Kyle Orten are FAs in ’12. Maybe C.Palmer?

  70. Ewalters7354 says:

    Klm,I disagree big time.You have the Hawks losing to the Rams and Cards twice.Also losing to the Browns.What makes you so sure we’ll lose those games?Plus why would the Bengals draft a QB and they just drafted Andy Dalton.C’Mon dude lets be realistic.

  71. Ewalters7354 says:

    Also,people are on Barkley’s bandwagon but I don’t see where he is all good at.Really not to impressed with him.Kellen Moore is the most underrated QB in college football.Ill take him over Barkley any day.

  72. KARDNOS says:

    I don’t care who you get as QB….if you don’t have protection and run block from your O-line, you have nothing.

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