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Instant Reaction: Minnesota vs. Seahawks

Post by Doug Pacey / The News Tribune on Aug. 20, 2011 at 9:57 pm with 51 Comments »
August 20, 2011 9:57 pm
Tarvaris Jackson did a lot of this on Saturday night.

Well, that was an interesting second half. Backup quarterback Charlie Whitehurst carved up Minnesota’s No. 2 defense, going 10-for-11 for 79 yards and a touchdown on his first drive. Starting quarterback Tarvaris Jackson led the team to zero points and completed 11 of 21 passes for 75 yards in the first half. To be fair, Jackson faced a lot of pressure because of a porous offensive line.

Minnesota ended up winning, but no one’s talking about the score — the buzz is about Whitehurst.

Here are some questions to ponder. Leave us your thoughts and reactions in the comments.

1. Does Seattle have a quarterback controversy? From the moment Jackson signed, head coach Pete Carroll anointed him as the team’s starting quarterback. Then Whitehurst went all Joe Montana on the Vikings. Where does the team go from here?

2. Is the offensive line a worrisome problem, or are you confident things will be fine once left tackle Russell Okung returns.

3. Golden Tate let a pass slip through his hands in the first quarter that resulted in a 64-yard interception return for a touchdown. Has Tate worn out his welcome in Seattle?

4. What did you see that you liked?

5. What did you see that worries you?

Leave a comment Comments → 51
  1. It shouldn’t be thought of as even a QB controversy — there’s no long-time starter being replaced – it’s two young, unestablished guys – and they should fight it out, and see who gives the team thebest chance to win.

    Not clear that it’s TJack – but again, got to remember how much he was being chased around two weeks in a row. It may be that w/out Okung, our O-line is just that bad, and no QB can be very effective behind it.

    But, in my mind CW has absolutely earned a shot at playing against the 1st team defense next week.

  2. SeahawkFan12 says:

    1. Maybe. Whitehurst needs/deserves a shot with the 1′s before we can start talking QB controversy. But T-Jax is not helping himself.

    2. Worriesome. I kind of expected more, but it’s still preseason.

    3. Tate is still welcome, the the ice is thinning under his feet.

    4. CW had good command of the offense. Read the D well. Jeron Johnson looked good. The 12th Man sounded great (on TV)

    5. The whole 1st half, both first string O and D. I’m REAL worried about T-Jax.

    Bottom line, the sky is not falling, but we either have a lot of work ahead or we’re in for a very long season…or both.

  3. nidhighe says:

    It doesn’t matter who our starting QB is this year. Our starting O-line is terrible, especially in pass protection. The upside is that it’s a young line and should get better, but until it does, our starting QB, whoever he is, will spend a lot of time under heavy pressure.

    –Danielle

  4. Ewalters7354 says:

    I think we do have a controversy at QB.Tjack had no time but I still think Charlie is making a case for himself to be the starter.

    I think once Okung comes back and the rookies continue to grow the o line will be fine.

    I absolutely think Golden Tate is on the cusp of being cut.

    I liked the fact that Charlie has made a
    great improvement and that our young secondary is showing potential to be real
    good.

    What worries me is how Tjack throws the ball so low on curl routes.That’s gonna get somebody hurt.

    .What

  5. Ewalters7354 says:

    I don’t think our o line us terrible.They are just going through growing pains.They will get better with reps.Plus,Tom Cable is going to get the most out these guys.Hopefully Okung can get and stay healthy.

  6. 1. I’m not sure how your core philosophy of “comPete” can be taken seriously when someone who has never done anything but be maddenly mediocre can be given a job without having had to prove anything on the practice field or pre-season games.

    2. Just because our offensive line looks good on paper doesn’t mean it’s going to dominate right off the bat. When you put two rookies on the right side (with no off-season work), you’re going to struggle plenty that first year. I expect it to happen, but I also expect to see gradual improvement throughout the year and that’s what I’m most excited about seeing this year. With that being said, as some mentioned on the chat, Carpenter looks out of shape (as had already been noted) and whiffed on too many attempted blocks. Moffpender are rookies and we’re going to have to go through their growing pains in this first year. That’s just a fact. Also, as was noted in the chat, Gallery doesn’t look like anything special. That’s a little disappointing. All-in-all, the line is going to be fine in the long run, but there’s definitely going to be some growing pains. That comes with the territory.

    3. I still believe in Tate, but he’s not making it easy. He probably suffered from the lockout more than any other veteran and he defitely needed it, but it is what it is and I am excited to see him moving forward. Like the comment in #2, the best football is ahead of us moving into 2012 but he’s got to develop throughout this season. There’s too much talent there to be giving up on a 2nd round pick before his second regular season even starts.

    4. Surprisingly, I like Charlie’s accuracy for the most part. The Chancellor of Kam made me look twice a few times, too.

    5. The penalties really bother me.

  7. HawksRus says:

    Pete Carroll, Tavaris Jackson and some Seahawk fans enjoy living in the ignorant fantasy world of; “Let’s be Positive” – News Flash,… Tarvaris “T-Joke” Jackson will be ousted by the “Loyal Seattle Boo Birds” by game 4 and the longer it takes Pete “Positively Sometimes Com-Pete” Carroll to realize this, the sooner he will lose the locker room. The Seahawks cannot count on the NFL draft for a QB, and that’s a proven fact, #1 QB picks rarely come to fruition. We have a potentially good QB in Charlie Whitehurst if given the chance, did everyone forget about the way Kurt Warner was often over-looked! According to the Seahawks Front Office they will have you believe Tarvaris was jerked around in Minnesota, but less than 10 minutes of internet searches on him will prove to you that, that was not the case, and speaking of getting jerked around, what is Pete “Positively Sometimes Com-Pete” Carroll doing to Charlie Whitehurst right now? Does anyone remember who won the week 17, essentially a Play-Off Game, that got us into the Play-Offs and won the Seahawks the NFC West Division Title, it was Charlie Whitehurst,… oh how quickly we forget! Tarvaris “T-Joke” Jackson had many chances and blew it because of his lack of merits. He is illiterate, incoherent and can hardly complete a sentence or train of thought on his own, what makes anyone think he will complete the task of a starting NFL Quarterback, or running any NFL Offense, (P.S. Note to Jackson, “Run Forward Not Backward) at best he will prove to be a practice squad guy, but my guess is he will just be known as the QB mistake, the Seattle Seahawks and Pete “Positively Sometimes Com-Pete” Carroll over-paid and over-hyped! Charlie Whitehurst just might be our Kurt Warner,… but I guarantee you this much, if he is never given the chance, he will never have the chance to prove it! Here is a word of advice to Tarvaris “T-Joke” Jackson and Pete “Positively Sometimes Com-Pete” Carroll about the Minnesota Vikings Game this Saturday,… Red Dye #4,… Purchase as much as you guys can get your hands on,… then soak T-Joke’s jersey in it as long as possible prior to game day! After the game T-Joke you should quite for 2 weeks and think about all the mistakes you made and how you could improve yourself,… After your 2 weeks are up,… you should quite for good T-Joke, because you are a Joke, and give Charlie Whitehurst his well deserved shot at something you’ll never be able the to grasp!

  8. Hard not to like the defensive play overall…. Lots of work for the offensive line remains, but we have to understand the playcalling could help in that category…
    Tjax was fine, under huge pressure…. CW got into a great groove…. Both will continue to struggle though without better pass coverage or plays called to burn the blitzing…

  9. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I am pretty much over Curry! And Tate is not far behind!

    I expect it will take the offensive line more than a few weeks to gell. More like a year or two.

    I liked Baldwin, Shermans play.

  10. “pass blocking”

  11. Ewalters7354 says:

    HawksRus,Good point about Charlie.But dude you going a lil too crazy over a QB that didn’t have time to throw.The guy had no protection so it not fair to tare him down in such a way.Pete Carroll is a good coach.He is by no means over hyped.Were you jocking Charlie like this last year when he played awful?Please tell the truth.

  12. 1. Charlie has earned and deserves a half with the first unit. Maybe it will happen in the 4th preseason game…maybe. That said, no controversy yet, but I still say at best T-jack will put us in the running for Luck. He’s just not quick enough with his reads and progressions…pressure or no pressure.

    2. We need to remember that there was no game planning for this, and while that doesn;t mean a ton in terms of protection, it does mean that they didn;t spend a lot of time watching film to pick up what the different defensive formations might mean. I’ll be worried after next weeks game if it continues to be really bad. Polumbus is an excellent bacck up at guard but I’m not so sure he has the feet to be good enough for tackle.

    3. Tate wore out his welcome last year imo. Time to trade him and Carlson for Asante from the Eagles and shore up the backfield. (Or maybe Tate only for a back-up tackle and a #6 pick.) Plain and simple, time to move on from Tate and let him prove himself elsewhere. When Butler gets back he’ll be a MUCH better slot receiver. Short of that, I’d prefer to go with one of the others. I’ll bet Ben could play the slot, even though he is more of an outside guy.

    4. I mostly liked Charlie’s qucik progressions and the way he got rid of the ball quickly. Day and night different from how he looked last year. I think Jeremy bate’s offense didn;t fit him well. I think the West Coast fits him great. He won;t always be accurate, but he is servicible and could develop into good Q-back beyond this year.

    5. The back-up linebackers were arm tackling and reaching. That bothered me. But what really bothered me was Tate. He just isn;t going to cut it. I’m hoping they chose to play him late into the game as a way of showcasing him for the rest of the league. Trade him and get something…anything. Short of that, just cut him and be done with it.

  13. One more thought….I’d like to see the first unit use a little bit of max-protection next week. For no other reason than to get a good look at how T-jack does with a bit more time. I suspect he’ll hold it too long and still get sacked, or he’ll toss one of his silly jump-pass-things. But I still think some max-protect will go a long ways towards evaluating his performance.

    (And some day I will learn how to type better!) :)

  14. It’s hard to judge a quarterback if he doesn’t have time to set up in the pocket. I’m not a TJ fan – but I’m not his enemy either. It would be interesting to know how Charlie would have done with the same sieve-like protection.

    Tate has pretty much lost me as a fan. I have not seen him do anything of note. Granted I don’t go to practices and didn’t see every game last year. If you let balls go through your hands for ints, you have to do something on the positive side. I still haven’t seen it. Baldwin, on the other hand, seems to be getting open a lot and catching the ball. I certainly don’t think Tate should be considered a lock to make the team.

    I’m not an ACIBer, but really, did Curry have to bite so hard on that fake and let whoever it was run around him?

    In all, I was disappointed in this game. But then, they’re mostly young and not used to working together. And I was disappointed a lot last year, and we went to the playoffs. So no need to give ourselves a hernia after the second preseason game. I will say this: Christian Ponder looked pretty legit for a rookie first round quarterback.

  15. One more thing: It was nice to see LeRoy Hill making plays. He looked like the LeRoy Hill of six years ago (was it really six years ago?)

  16. GeorgiaHawk says:

    If they want to give T Jack more time then put him in with the second string o-line.They look to be playing better as a unit then the first string is at this time.

    Again no excuses for Carpenter to come in out of shape! He is making big money and has been handed a starting job!

  17. Also, would be nice to have a break down of what exactly went wrong on each of the four running plays where we couldn’t get it in from the two yard line. In real game conditions you hope they wouldn’t call four running plays in a row. But still, you’d like to believe we could punch it in from the two on at least one of four shots.

  18. boucherm says:

    1-I agree with everyone above deriding the disparity with the “always compete” model and naming a starter before any practices. At the same time, I can see why, in this shortened offseason circumstance and with Tavaris’ yoyo history, you would name him the starter. Granted, Tavaris hasn’t impressed, but he’s not been terrible, either. Charlie has looked good, not great. In a few weeks it could become a controversy/competition, like Carrol said when he named TJ the starter.

    2-Things will be better with Okung, but they won’t be good. We should all be able to realize that continuity is the key to O-Line play, and that’s what we’re working toward. This will be a rough and inconsistent year, but the talent of the group will hopefully lead to a bright future. There will be growing pains.

    3-Golden Tate is the player on the team that I believe is most hurt by the lockout. He is a talent and a physical specimen that doesn’t know the finer points of his position and is not ready to contribute. He needs time,

  19. boucherm says:

    sorry, cut myself off
    Golden needs time, there’s no way they give up on him.

    4-I liked the young defenders, particularly Malcolm Smith and Jerron Johnson. Also, Leroy Hill looked good.
    And Anthony McCoy was beastly.

    5-This team looks like I expected–like a 6 and 10 team that is building for the future. It sounds bad, but it’s just one win less than last year. We have a lot of young talent that needs some time, hopefully will gel. I love that the strategy is to build with youth and size/speed, and I’m ready to be patient to see another playoff team 2-3 years from now, when they’ll be built to win for a duration (like Green and Tampa Bays).

  20. Would it be too much trouble to actually provide the final score in this story???

  21. Caveat to what I’m about to write: I spent much of the game repairing a laptop I was planning on using to keep up with the game chat. At least I fixed the computer……………………………….

    1. Does Seattle have a quarterback controversy? From the moment Jackson signed, head coach Pete Carroll anointed him as the team’s starting quarterback. Then Whitehurst went all Joe Montana on the Vikings. Where does the team go from here?

    Hard to call. if the O line keeps sucking, Jackson is more mobile. And Whitehurst has a history of looking great in preseason, but not so good in the regular season. On the other hand, I’ve been against the jackson signing since day 1.

    2. Is the offensive line a worrisome problem, or are you confident things will be fine once left tackle Russell Okung returns.

    Yes, it’s a huge problem. I’ll be amazed if RO gets through the season, & read somewhere than Carpenter is horribly out of shape. If true, that’s a pretty severe lack of motivation for a rookie season. Hopefully BMW has had a couple serious talks with Carpenter.

    3. Golden Tate let a pass slip through his hands in the first quarter that resulted in a 64-yard interception return for a touchdown. Has Tate worn out his welcome in Seattle?

    IMO, he’s getting very close. Let him be the #5 receiver this year (iff the TOP OF MY HEAD, Baldwin & Obamanu would seem like #’s 3 & 4; I may be forgetting someone, though) & see what he does

    4. What did you see that you liked?

    Very little. Jeff Reed’s kickoffs, one catch from BMW & Whitehurst.

    5. What did you see that worries you?

    The offensive line. Gallery seemed to be the only one of the starters with any clue or skill level. Caroll’s insistance on Lynch being the featured back. I can only remember one significant play in ML’s entore Seattle career. I’m thinking the RB rotations should be:
    1. Washington
    2. Forsett
    3. Lynch (maybe we could trade him for a decent offensive lineman).

  22. freedom_X says:

    I don’t think the line has a one-man solution (Okung.) There’s lack of coordination between them. I would have thought the “big, physical” line would have done something on the goalline, but they couldn’t get 1 yard on 3 tries. That’s very concerning.

    It’s impossible to compare Whitehurst vs. Jackson because of that starting line being dominated by the Vikings D. Whitehurst had so much time to throw early, sometimes it looked like a scrimmage. But he did deliver accurately, and would have done even better if Pat Williams hadn’t blow two plays (dropped one ball and fell down on the route where Whitehurst got drilled as he held the ball until the last second.)

    The defense also worries me. If I were to be unkind, I would say it looked like a undersized overacheiver Tim Ruskell defense. Guys were getting run over and couldn’t tackle. Malcolm Smith shows his speed, but also shows why he wasn’t a high draft pick – he can’t bring down NFL caliber players. As for the fabled big corners, king-sized Brandon Browner looked like a tall Kelly Jennings as Gerhart ran over him to convert a 3 and 8.

    So far, I don’t see any of the results expected from the emphasis on “big” players, either on offense or defense. they don’t look any more physical than the “dwarf” Ruskell players. One can only hope they’re saving it for the regular season.

  23. ljarllrajl says:

    1. Does Seattle have a quarterback controversy? — Yes. It’s to be expected for a team in the early stages of rebuilding to have QB controversy. One guy is in year two of a 2 year contract and the other is in year one of a 2 year contract. It’s pretty easy to do the math.

    2. Is the offensive line a worrisome problem, or are you confident things will be fine once left tackle Russell Okung returns. — The line has been poor for three straight seasons. It has been overhauled so struggles are to be expected even with Okung’s return. They have talent now all they need is time.

    3. Golden Tate let a pass slip through his hands in the first quarter that resulted in a 64-yard interception return for a touchdown. Has Tate worn out his welcome in Seattle? — Tate should’ve held onto the ball, but I blame T-Jack more so for forcing the ball to a target that is tightly bracketed by two zone defenders. You can’t tell me that no other receiver was available to catch a pass on that play. Jackson didn’t even look for one.

    4. What did you see that you liked? — I liked the overall speed on defense.

    5. What did you see that worries you? — That if we have trouble running the ball this year then we are sunk.

    I’m not too worried because it looked like the offense was really just trying to work on certain things and practice executing types of plays which would explain the sloppy play.

  24. AaronCurryIsBUST says:

    WHY DOES EVERYONE CONSTANTLY IGNORE AARON CURRY?! That complete BUST did NOTHING but blow coverage, miss tackles, and rack up UNFORGIVABLE PENALTIES!

  25. AaronCurryIsBUST says:

    1. Does Seattle have a quarterback controversy? – Yes. Tarvaris Jackson is a garbage quarterback and has no business starting in the NFL ever again. Whitehurst has a chance to be decent, start him.

    2. Is the offensive line a worrisome problem, or are you confident things will be fine once left tackle Russell Okung returns. – There isn’t much to do here but wait and hope Cable coaches ‘em up. The talent is as good as it can get there at that unit.

    3. Golden Tate let a pass slip through his hands in the first quarter that resulted in a 64-yard interception return for a touchdown. Has Tate worn out his welcome in Seattle? – No, Tate at his current stage of development is still better than any garbage WR that Tim Ruskell brought in. Give him time, he was a rare talent and special college player.

    4. What did you see that you liked? – Whitehurst continuing to impress and force the issue that Crapson does not belong as a starter.

    5. What did you see that worries you? – AARON CURRY! 4TH OVERALL PICK. 60 MILLION. HIGHEST SALARY ON THE TEAM! CUT HIS ASS.

  26. dirtydan54 says:

    Hello Seattle, Welcome to Detroit. Pro football in this region will re appear later in this decade at the earliest.

    Expect at best, a quality of football at the level of Jim Zorn and David Krieg combined for some time to come. I do not understand how the importance of dominating offensive line play gets lost by those that coach here in the N.W. is required to get any real positive results from low to journeymen quality offensive weapons.

    The whole offense is offensive and embarassing to offense. Don’t they see this for themselves or are they to involved in beating the rah rah, yea team horse to notice?

    Read more: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/08/20/1789950/recap-seattle-vs-minnesota.html#ixzz1VeLBEJNi

  27. devisscher says:

    Just watched the first half. I had to put up with Mike Mayock… (NFL gamepass, European fan) Really annoying, so I’m not in a good mood.

    I’m already sick of Jackson. Why aren’t we going after Troy Smith? He’s no worse than who we have now

    The other thing I’m sick of is the immaturity of Curry. Throwing away a helmet? If that behaviour continues I’d bring back Tatupu and cut Curry. Seriously, this guy does not deserve the amount of money he’s getting. 4th pick or not, cut him and move on.

  28. As this point I don’t think there is a QB controversy. I am a Whitehurst fan but imagine him against the Vikings 1st team defense, he would of been sacked 3-4 times where as Tjack got away. Is Tjack the future? no but with how poor the O-line is he is the best option right now. Curry is such a waste of space, he got burned so bad on that fake and then throwing an opponents helmet are you serious? He needs to go and Tate in my eyes needs to be canned as well. If he can’t figure out when to down the ball on a kick off and get to the 11 or drop an easy catch for a first down then say good bye to him. People say this is just preseason but man the hawks overall haven’t look good in either 2 games so far.

  29. Getting Okung back isn’t going to magically solve the inexperience of Moffpender on the right side. We’re going to have to take some lumps early on. It’ll be worth it though.

  30. DisplacedSeahawkFan says:

    Seattle definitely have a quarterback controversy. While I like TJacks mobility, he hasn’t demonstrated an ability to throw the ball down field–I don’t think he’s a pocket passer, which is a huge problem. Whitehurst on the other hand looks like a viable NFL quarterback, albeit only against 2nd team defenses. I think that Charlie Whitehurst should be allowed to play with the first team offense next week to see what he can really do.

    The offensive line is in shambles. Granted the line will improve when Okung returns; still, however, I can’t help but worry about future injuries and how much talent we have in reserves. I hope the front office hasn’t settled on the O-linemen we currently have on the roster, and are instead looking at FA who could improve our team. Furthermore, I do feel that coach Cable is capable of improving our O-line, but how long that will take is another story.

    Every receiver drops passes every now and then. Golden Tate’s drop for a pick six was disappointing, but it’s far too early to give up on him. I think that after another year in the league, and given a full training camp, Tate will pan out to be a great receiver.

    Overall our first team defense looked good. In the first half they only gave up 2 field goals. Jennings get picked on and made mistakes, but I don’t think that Carrol envisions him as a starter. Once Thurmond heals I think Jennings can fulfill a role as a slot corner in nickle and dime packages. Excluding the drive the Vikings had from their 2 yard line that resulted in a FG, I was really impressed with the defense.

  31. Reality is, we have 2 practise games left to see what Whitehurst has got with the first and then see if T-Jax can react with improved play in the 4th warmup game.

    Seems to me like T-Jax is just complacent and comfortable with being the No.1 no matter how he plays. Read when he got here that he is his own worst critic – he may drop himself down to the 2nd team then??? maybe not!

  32. piperfeltcher says:

    I have a hard time saying T. Jack put up no points as he drove them down the field and made a perfect throw to give the Hawks 1st and goal from the 2 then they ran it 4 times for 1 yard. Whitehurst looked sharp he looks so much more confident then he looked last year.

    The O-line was totally dominated in both the run and pass game.

    Tate has to make that catch every time if he wants to play the slot.

    Loved to see Hill flying around out there and was surprised with how quick Miller’s footwork is for a big TE he should catch a lot of passes this year.

    Jennings looked overmatched again. Curry was nonexistant. No real pass rush unless multiple players were blitzing. Way to many penelties.

  33. DisplacedSeahawkFan says:

    Re: OakleyD

    In all fairness, T.Jack hasn’t really had a chance to show what he can do. He’s only been practicing two weeks. The onus of yesterday’s loss should fall on the O-line.

    The O-line is the weakest link in our offense. Our offense line can’t pass protect. A lot of q.b.’s, not just T.Jack– who doesn’t seem as familiar with Bevell’s system as Carrol let on, would struggle completing passes behind our O-line. San Diego and Minnesota both have great defenses, both team’s D-lines were better than our O-line.

    Our O-line is young and inexperienced, and defenses know to attack them. Moreover, our O-line hasn’t grasped zone blocking yet. What’s worse is there’s no parity: their focus is on run blocking, rather than pass protecting. Again, in all fairness, they’ve only been practicing two weeks. Tom Cable will mold a great offensive line, given time. In the mean time, if Carrol and Cable don’t focus more on pass protection, teams like Pittsburgh, who we play in week 2, are going to load the box, blitz, and give our Q.B. time to throw.

    Whitehurst throws better than T.Jack, at least so far. Whitehurst has a quicker throwing motion and gets rid of the ball faster. He also seems to scan defenses and know where to go with the ball faster than T.Jack. All things aren’t equal though, i.e., T.Jack plays against first team defenses. Whitehurst deserves a preseason start.

  34. DisplacedSeahawkFan says:

    In the mean time, if Carrol and Cable don’t focus more on pass protection, teams like Pittsburgh, who we play in week 2, are going to load the box, blitz, and not give our Q.B. time to throw.

  35. devisscher says:

    n all fairness, T.Jack hasn’t really had a chance to show what he can do. He’s only been practicing two weeks. The onus of yesterday’s loss should fall on the O-line.

    The O-line is the weakest link in our offense. Our offense line can’t pass protect. A lot of q.b.’s, not just T.Jack– who doesn’t seem as familiar with Bevell’s system as Carrol let on, would struggle completing passes behind our O-line. San Diego and Minnesota both have great defenses, both team’s D-lines were better than our O-line.
    —————————————————————————————-
    Jackson has been practicing in that system his entire career. You say Jackson doesn’t seem familiar with the system. That’s true, that’s the QB we are getting. He will always be lost on a football field
    I’ve seen enough, get him out.

  36. someone upload the video of curry throwing that vikings players helmet… i didn’t see it.

  37. The OL clearly can’t pick up a blitz, the Seahawks may have signed yet another washed up LG and everyone is up in arms about the QB “controversy.”

    Whitehurst completed over 70% of his passes and somehow managed a measly 5 yards per attempt. That’s not even Jimmy Clausen like. Just any single sack or 10 yard penalty will kill a drive without any downfield passing game. The offense is good for around 13 points a game with that type of passing attack.

    I loved Whitehurst’s accuracy and he deserves a shot with the 1s in practice instead of next week’s game. But to think we just found an answer at QB when we simply found someone who is less bad is putting our concerns in the wrong place.

    I regard this as a true rebuilding year like Holmgren had in 2000. Last year wasn’t a rebuilding year. My expectations are very low for the first 8 games, perhaps 2-6 or 3-5.

  38. Southendzone says:

    1) Unfortunately no, we don’t have a QB controversy. Only because for some unknown reason Schneider/Carroll crowned TJ (Hawkrus, love the T-Joke nickname, that is awesome) as the starter when he’s never proven he should be a starter anywhere.

    2) Yes O-Line is worrisome. And it’s the right side not the left that is looking very shaky. If a good OG can be called a road-grader, I think we can safely call Carpenter at RT a traffic cone for as much resistance as he puts up on pass blocking.

    3) Maybe, this is like our 15th biggest problem so I don’t care about Tate

    4) CW looks to make a decision and go with it. He has at least some potential and deserves a shot. I like what I see from RB #45 as well.

    5) O-Line and somehow against all odds after 5 years Kelly Jennings still can’t cover yet he earns a starting roster spot on the Hawks.

    Has anyone started a “Bench T-Jack” FB page yet?

  39. Palerydr says:

    I think we are on pace to win 3-5 games this year after watching that performance overall.

    If there isn’t a QB controversy there should be. Give CW a chance against another teams #1′s Is it truly comPete or just sometimes comPete?

    OL gets a pass from me ….for now they are young and haven’t played together long enough to be able to work well together. I expect them to get better as the season goes on.

    I thought to myself as Tate had that ball go through his hands “A starting slot receiver is not gonna have a job in the [N]ot [F]or [L]ong league if he keeps that up”

    Leroy Hill making plays sideline to sideline. CW playing well against the #2′s #45 Clayton running the ball. Washington running the ball.

    What did I dislike? in a word alot. Curry’s poor play and the stupid penalty. Jennings poor coverage. The ineffectiveness of the OL Jackson’s poor presence in the pocket granted he was under extreme pressure. MN was blitzing almost every play so there was little game planning for this game. No downfield throws to the WR’s ok 1 but it was a big miss out of bounds. Overall a poor performance against a team that I think isn’t going to be much better in the win column than we are.

  40. yellaman says:

    1. Does Seattle have a quarterback controversy? From the moment Jackson signed, head coach Pete Carroll anointed him as the team’s starting quarterback. Then Whitehurst went all Joe Montana on the Vikings. Where does the team go from here?

    Pete Carroll needs to open up the competition @ QB. Tavaris looked tentative with his decision on where to throw the ball. The INT wasn’t his fault but Tate’s fault. The O-line was very porous against the Vikes so maybe he should get a pass but CW should @ least get a shot playing with the teams 1st unit.

    2. Is the offensive line a worrisome problem, or are you confident things will be fine once left tackle Russell Okung returns.

    The O-Line is where I thought it would be but I did expect better results witht he 1st unit running the ball. The pass protection will be a problemm all year I think

    3. Golden Tate let a pass slip through his hands in the first quarter that resulted in a 64-yard interception return for a touchdown. Has Tate worn out his welcome in Seattle?

    GoldenTateisabust.com can we all say it together

    4. What did you see that you liked?

    Except for our secondary I did like the play of our frontline defense

    5. What did you see that worries you?

    The O-line play and the lack of production on offense

  41. SeahawkFan12 says:

    Even though it’s “only” a preseason game, I’d be interested to hear comments from both Rice and Jackson about facing their former team. I get the sense that Rice wanted to win this one.

  42. yellaman says:

    Another tidbit on vikes game is that I was at the game and got to see it live compared to TV and you can really see other aspects of the game that TV doesn’t give you. The play of the 1st team offense against vikes 1st team defense was horrible for the hawks. The Vikes D-Line manhandle the hawks consistantly and Tavaris looked very unsure of his reads maybe because of the pressure up front. Golden Tate cannot be counted on right now to be a starting caliber WR dropped 2 passes ( one went for a INT TD). Also, how many TE’s can this team keep McCoy, Byrd, and Miller all looked good out there. Carlson would be the 4th TE on the roster. Also Pat Williams didn’t do himself any favors making the team, he dropped a would be a 1st down catch and slipped on an in route pass route that could have been a big gain. Also the secondary for the hawks doesn’t look good at times can we find another answer to Kelly Jennings? PLEASE

    a few thoughts

  43. PugetSounderforLife says:

    The entire game was like a bad dream. In fact, I swear the Hawks were sleepwalking. The first mistake was Tate returning the opening kick. The biggest disappointment with Tate is his mind boggling decision-making, or lack of decision-making. He plays dumb. TJack is not a franchise QB nor is CW. Both are career NFL backups who play like, well, backups. Our defense appears solid, sometimes. Penalties, dumb penalties killed us this week. BTW Curry will never be confused with Albert Einstein but even he topped his everlacking “smart play” with his over-the-top boner helmet-throwing brain-fart play. Intelligence and a tough-as-nails work ethic are missing from this team. Gonna be a looooooong year folks.

  44. What would it hurt to start Charlie in the next game? It’s preseason. I don’t believe that creates a controversy. I would consider it as the coaching staff doing their jobs and seeing what they have in a player. I don’t believe it would be any different than any other position. These players are all pros.

  45. Something I find troublesome is that Carroll and Schneider dont’ seem to have the talent for assessing the quarterback position. I didn’t see anything last night that Matt couldn’t have done. It was clear that T Jackson still doesn’t have comand of the offence, and this is after 5 years in the system. Charlie though not great, in appearence is light years ahead of T Jackson. I’m equally sick of W Moon commentery. The O line is right where I expected it to be. at present I am feeling P Allens pain. I personally sense that Charlies football smarts is greater then T Jackson. It’s also disappointing to see Curry act like an Oakland Raider of the 70′s. He needed to get tossed. I admit it I wanted to see Matt running this Offence. But It’s time to move on isn’t it.

  46. Mike Holmgren used to say that the QB position was so important and took so much development time that it was important to commit to a guy early and put all the resources into developing that player as the starter without wasting resources on a QB competition.

    Reading Carroll’s past comments on how he handled Leinart at USC and watching how he handled Hasselbeck last year seems to indicate he has the same philosophy and is entirely consistent with him installing Jackson up front as the starter and sticking with him

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    Instant Reaction: Minnesota vs. Seahawks

    Posted By Doug Pacey on August 20, 2011 at 9:57 pm Share this

    Tarvaris Jackson did a lot of this on Saturday night.

    Well, that was an interesting second half. Backup quarterback Charlie Whitehurst carved up Minnesota’s No. 2 defense, going 10-for-11 for 79 yards and a touchdown on his first drive. Starting quarterback Tarvaris Jackson led the team to zero points and completed 11 of 21 passes for 75 yards in the first half. To be fair, Jackson faced a lot of pressure because of a porous offensive line.

    Minnesota ended up winning, but no one’s talking about the score — the buzz is about Whitehurst.

    Here are some questions to ponder. Leave us your thoughts and reactions in the comments.

    1. Does Seattle have a quarterback controversy? From the moment Jackson signed, head coach Pete Carroll anointed him as the team’s starting quarterback. Then Whitehurst went all Joe Montana on the Vikings. Where does the team go from here?

    2. Is the offensive line a worrisome problem, or are you confident things will be fine once left tackle Russell Okung returns.

    3. Golden Tate let a pass slip through his hands in the first quarter that resulted in a 64-yard interception return for a touchdown. Has Tate worn out his welcome in Seattle?

    4. What did you see that you liked?

    5. What did you see that worries you?

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    46 Responses to “Instant Reaction: Minnesota vs. Seahawks”

    pdway says:

    August 20, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    It shouldn’t be thought of as even a QB controversy — there’s no long-time starter being replaced – it’s two young, unestablished guys – and they should fight it out, and see who gives the team thebest chance to win.

    Not clear that it’s TJack – but again, got to remember how much he was being chased around two weeks in a row. It may be that w/out Okung, our O-line is just that bad, and no QB can be very effective behind it.

    But, in my mind CW has absolutely earned a shot at playing against the 1st team defense next week.

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    SeahawkFan12 says:

    August 20, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    1. Maybe. Whitehurst needs/deserves a shot with the 1′s before we can start talking QB controversy. But T-Jax is not helping himself.

    2. Worriesome. I kind of expected more, but it’s still preseason.

    3. Tate is still welcome, the the ice is thinning under his feet.

    4. CW had good command of the offense. Read the D well. Jeron Johnson looked good. The 12th Man sounded great (on TV)

    5. The whole 1st half, both first string O and D. I’m REAL worried about T-Jax.

    Bottom line, the sky is not falling, but we either have a lot of work ahead or we’re in for a very long season…or both.

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    nidhighe says:

    August 20, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    It doesn’t matter who our starting QB is this year. Our starting O-line is terrible, especially in pass protection. The upside is that it’s a young line and should get better, but until it does, our starting QB, whoever he is, will spend a lot of time under heavy pressure.

    –Danielle

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    Ewalters7354 says:

    August 20, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    I think we do have a controversy at QB.Tjack had no time but I still think Charlie is making a case for himself to be the starter.

    I think once Okung comes back and the rookies continue to grow the o line will be fine.

    I absolutely think Golden Tate is on the cusp of being cut.

    I liked the fact that Charlie has made a
    great improvement and that our young secondary is showing potential to be real
    good.

    What worries me is how Tjack throws the ball so low on curl routes.That’s gonna get somebody hurt.

    .What

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    Ewalters7354 says:

    August 20, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    I don’t think our o line us terrible.They are just going through growing pains.They will get better with reps.Plus,Tom Cable is going to get the most out these guys.Hopefully Okung can get and stay healthy.

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    BobbyK says:

    August 20, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    1. I’m not sure how your core philosophy of “comPete” can be taken seriously when someone who has never done anything but be maddenly mediocre can be given a job without having had to prove anything on the practice field or pre-season games.

    2. Just because our offensive line looks good on paper doesn’t mean it’s going to dominate right off the bat. When you put two rookies on the right side (with no off-season work), you’re going to struggle plenty that first year. I expect it to happen, but I also expect to see gradual improvement throughout the year and that’s what I’m most excited about seeing this year. With that being said, as some mentioned on the chat, Carpenter looks out of shape (as had already been noted) and whiffed on too many attempted blocks. Moffpender are rookies and we’re going to have to go through their growing pains in this first year. That’s just a fact. Also, as was noted in the chat, Gallery doesn’t look like anything special. That’s a little disappointing. All-in-all, the line is going to be fine in the long run, but there’s definitely going to be some growing pains. That comes with the territory.

    3. I still believe in Tate, but he’s not making it easy. He probably suffered from the lockout more than any other veteran and he defitely needed it, but it is what it is and I am excited to see him moving forward. Like the comment in #2, the best football is ahead of us moving into 2012 but he’s got to develop throughout this season. There’s too much talent there to be giving up on a 2nd round pick before his second regular season even starts.

    4. Surprisingly, I like Charlie’s accuracy for the most part. The Chancellor of Kam made me look twice a few times, too.

    5. The penalties really bother me.

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    HawksRus says:

    August 20, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    Pete Carroll, Tavaris Jackson and some Seahawk fans enjoy living in the ignorant fantasy world of; “Let’s be Positive” – News Flash,… Tarvaris “T-Joke” Jackson will be ousted by the “Loyal Seattle Boo Birds” by game 4 and the longer it takes Pete “Positively Sometimes Com-Pete” Carroll to realize this, the sooner he will lose the locker room. The Seahawks cannot count on the NFL draft for a QB, and that’s a proven fact, #1 QB picks rarely come to fruition. We have a potentially good QB in Charlie Whitehurst if given the chance, did everyone forget about the way Kurt Warner was often over-looked! According to the Seahawks Front Office they will have you believe Tarvaris was jerked around in Minnesota, but less than 10 minutes of internet searches on him will prove to you that, that was not the case, and speaking of getting jerked around, what is Pete “Positively Sometimes Com-Pete” Carroll doing to Charlie Whitehurst right now? Does anyone remember who won the week 17, essentially a Play-Off Game, that got us into the Play-Offs and won the Seahawks the NFC West Division Title, it was Charlie Whitehurst,… oh how quickly we forget! Tarvaris “T-Joke” Jackson had many chances and blew it because of his lack of merits. He is illiterate, incoherent and can hardly complete a sentence or train of thought on his own, what makes anyone think he will complete the task of a starting NFL Quarterback, or running any NFL Offense, (P.S. Note to Jackson, “Run Forward Not Backward) at best he will prove to be a practice squad guy, but my guess is he will just be known as the QB mistake, the Seattle Seahawks and Pete “Positively Sometimes Com-Pete” Carroll over-paid and over-hyped! Charlie Whitehurst just might be our Kurt Warner,… but I guarantee you this much, if he is never given the chance, he will never have the chance to prove it! Here is a word of advice to Tarvaris “T-Joke” Jackson and Pete “Positively Sometimes Com-Pete” Carroll about the Minnesota Vikings Game this Saturday,… Red Dye #4,… Purchase as much as you guys can get your hands on,… then soak T-Joke’s jersey in it as long as possible prior to game day! After the game T-Joke you should quite for 2 weeks and think about all the mistakes you made and how you could improve yourself,… After your 2 weeks are up,… you should quite for good T-Joke, because you are a Joke, and give Charlie Whitehurst his well deserved shot at something you’ll never be able the to grasp!

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    IBGoofy says:

    August 20, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    Hard not to like the defensive play overall…. Lots of work for the offensive line remains, but we have to understand the playcalling could help in that category…
    Tjax was fine, under huge pressure…. CW got into a great groove…. Both will continue to struggle though without better pass coverage or plays called to burn the blitzing…

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    GeorgiaHawk says:

    August 20, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    I am pretty much over Curry! And Tate is not far behind!

    I expect it will take the offensive line more than a few weeks to gell. More like a year or two.

    I liked Baldwin, Shermans play.

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    IBGoofy says:

    August 20, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    “pass blocking”

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    Ewalters7354 says:

    August 20, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    HawksRus,Good point about Charlie.But dude you going a lil too crazy over a QB that didn’t have time to throw.The guy had no protection so it not fair to tare him down in such a way.Pete Carroll is a good coach.He is by no means over hyped.Were you jocking Charlie like this last year when he played awful?Please tell the truth.

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    Skavage says:

    August 20, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    1. Charlie has earned and deserves a half with the first unit. Maybe it will happen in the 4th preseason game…maybe. That said, no controversy yet, but I still say at best T-jack will put us in the running for Luck. He’s just not quick enough with his reads and progressions…pressure or no pressure.

    2. We need to remember that there was no game planning for this, and while that doesn;t mean a ton in terms of protection, it does mean that they didn;t spend a lot of time watching film to pick up what the different defensive formations might mean. I’ll be worried after next weeks game if it continues to be really bad. Polumbus is an excellent bacck up at guard but I’m not so sure he has the feet to be good enough for tackle.

    3. Tate wore out his welcome last year imo. Time to trade him and Carlson for Asante from the Eagles and shore up the backfield. (Or maybe Tate only for a back-up tackle and a #6 pick.) Plain and simple, time to move on from Tate and let him prove himself elsewhere. When Butler gets back he’ll be a MUCH better slot receiver. Short of that, I’d prefer to go with one of the others. I’ll bet Ben could play the slot, even though he is more of an outside guy.

    4. I mostly liked Charlie’s qucik progressions and the way he got rid of the ball quickly. Day and night different from how he looked last year. I think Jeremy bate’s offense didn;t fit him well. I think the West Coast fits him great. He won;t always be accurate, but he is servicible and could develop into good Q-back beyond this year.

    5. The back-up linebackers were arm tackling and reaching. That bothered me. But what really bothered me was Tate. He just isn;t going to cut it. I’m hoping they chose to play him late into the game as a way of showcasing him for the rest of the league. Trade him and get something…anything. Short of that, just cut him and be done with it.

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    Skavage says:

    August 20, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    One more thought….I’d like to see the first unit use a little bit of max-protection next week. For no other reason than to get a good look at how T-jack does with a bit more time. I suspect he’ll hold it too long and still get sacked, or he’ll toss one of his silly jump-pass-things. But I still think some max-protect will go a long ways towards evaluating his performance.

    (And some day I will learn how to type better!)

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    Snappa says:

    August 20, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    It’s hard to judge a quarterback if he doesn’t have time to set up in the pocket. I’m not a TJ fan – but I’m not his enemy either. It would be interesting to know how Charlie would have done with the same sieve-like protection.

    Tate has pretty much lost me as a fan. I have not seen him do anything of note. Granted I don’t go to practices and didn’t see every game last year. If you let balls go through your hands for ints, you have to do something on the positive side. I still haven’t seen it. Baldwin, on the other hand, seems to be getting open a lot and catching the ball. I certainly don’t think Tate should be considered a lock to make the team.

    I’m not an ACIBer, but really, did Curry have to bite so hard on that fake and let whoever it was run around him?

    In all, I was disappointed in this game. But then, they’re mostly young and not used to working together. And I was disappointed a lot last year, and we went to the playoffs. So no need to give ourselves a hernia after the second preseason game. I will say this: Christian Ponder looked pretty legit for a rookie first round quarterback.

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    Snappa says:

    August 20, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    One more thing: It was nice to see LeRoy Hill making plays. He looked like the LeRoy Hill of six years ago (was it really six years ago?)

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    GeorgiaHawk says:

    August 20, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    If they want to give T Jack more time then put him in with the second string o-line.They look to be playing better as a unit then the first string is at this time.

    Again no excuses for Carpenter to come in out of shape! He is making big money and has been handed a starting job!

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    Snappa says:

    August 20, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    Also, would be nice to have a break down of what exactly went wrong on each of the four running plays where we couldn’t get it in from the two yard line. In real game conditions you hope they wouldn’t call four running plays in a row. But still, you’d like to believe we could punch it in from the two on at least one of four shots.

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    boucherm says:

    August 20, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    1-I agree with everyone above deriding the disparity with the “always compete” model and naming a starter before any practices. At the same time, I can see why, in this shortened offseason circumstance and with Tavaris’ yoyo history, you would name him the starter. Granted, Tavaris hasn’t impressed, but he’s not been terrible, either. Charlie has looked good, not great. In a few weeks it could become a controversy/competition, like Carrol said when he named TJ the starter.

    2-Things will be better with Okung, but they won’t be good. We should all be able to realize that continuity is the key to O-Line play, and that’s what we’re working toward. This will be a rough and inconsistent year, but the talent of the group will hopefully lead to a bright future. There will be growing pains.

    3-Golden Tate is the player on the team that I believe is most hurt by the lockout. He is a talent and a physical specimen that doesn’t know the finer points of his position and is not ready to contribute. He needs time,

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    boucherm says:

    August 20, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    sorry, cut myself off
    Golden needs time, there’s no way they give up on him.

    4-I liked the young defenders, particularly Malcolm Smith and Jerron Johnson. Also, Leroy Hill looked good.
    And Anthony McCoy was beastly.

    5-This team looks like I expected–like a 6 and 10 team that is building for the future. It sounds bad, but it’s just one win less than last year. We have a lot of young talent that needs some time, hopefully will gel. I love that the strategy is to build with youth and size/speed, and I’m ready to be patient to see another playoff team 2-3 years from now, when they’ll be built to win for a duration (like Green and Tampa Bays).

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    bugme says:

    August 21, 2011 at 12:05 am

    Would it be too much trouble to actually provide the final score in this story???

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    moo says:

    August 21, 2011 at 12:09 am

    Caveat to what I’m about to write: I spent much of the game repairing a laptop I was planning on using to keep up with the game chat. At least I fixed the computer……………………………….

    1. Does Seattle have a quarterback controversy? From the moment Jackson signed, head coach Pete Carroll anointed him as the team’s starting quarterback. Then Whitehurst went all Joe Montana on the Vikings. Where does the team go from here?

    Hard to call. if the O line keeps sucking, Jackson is more mobile. And Whitehurst has a history of looking great in preseason, but not so good in the regular season. On the other hand, I’ve been against the jackson signing since day 1.

    2. Is the offensive line a worrisome problem, or are you confident things will be fine once left tackle Russell Okung returns.

    Yes, it’s a huge problem. I’ll be amazed if RO gets through the season, & read somewhere than Carpenter is horribly out of shape. If true, that’s a pretty severe lack of motivation for a rookie season. Hopefully BMW has had a couple serious talks with Carpenter.

    3. Golden Tate let a pass slip through his hands in the first quarter that resulted in a 64-yard interception return for a touchdown. Has Tate worn out his welcome in Seattle?

    IMO, he’s getting very close. Let him be the #5 receiver this year (iff the TOP OF MY HEAD, Baldwin & Obamanu would seem like #’s 3 & 4; I may be forgetting someone, though) & see what he does

    4. What did you see that you liked?

    Very little. Jeff Reed’s kickoffs, one catch from BMW & Whitehurst.

    5. What did you see that worries you?

    The offensive line. Gallery seemed to be the only one of the starters with any clue or skill level. Caroll’s insistance on Lynch being the featured back. I can only remember one significant play in ML’s entore Seattle career. I’m thinking the RB rotations should be:
    1. Washington
    2. Forsett
    3. Lynch (maybe we could trade him for a decent offensive lineman).

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    freedom_X says:

    August 21, 2011 at 12:11 am

    I don’t think the line has a one-man solution (Okung.) There’s lack of coordination between them. I would have thought the “big, physical” line would have done something on the goalline, but they couldn’t get 1 yard on 3 tries. That’s very concerning.

    It’s impossible to compare Whitehurst vs. Jackson because of that starting line being dominated by the Vikings D. Whitehurst had so much time to throw early, sometimes it looked like a scrimmage. But he did deliver accurately, and would have done even better if Pat Williams hadn’t blow two plays (dropped one ball and fell down on the route where Whitehurst got drilled as he held the ball until the last second.)

    The defense also worries me. If I were to be unkind, I would say it looked like a undersized overacheiver Tim Ruskell defense. Guys were getting run over and couldn’t tackle. Malcolm Smith shows his speed, but also shows why he wasn’t a high draft pick – he can’t bring down NFL caliber players. As for the fabled big corners, king-sized Brandon Browner looked like a tall Kelly Jennings as Gerhart ran over him to convert a 3 and 8.

    So far, I don’t see any of the results expected from the emphasis on “big” players, either on offense or defense. they don’t look any more physical than the “dwarf” Ruskell players. One can only hope they’re saving it for the regular season.

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    ljarllrajl says:

    August 21, 2011 at 12:11 am

    1. Does Seattle have a quarterback controversy? — Yes. It’s to be expected for a team in the early stages of rebuilding to have QB controversy. One guy is in year two of a 2 year contract and the other is in year one of a 2 year contract. It’s pretty easy to do the math.

    2. Is the offensive line a worrisome problem, or are you confident things will be fine once left tackle Russell Okung returns. — The line has been poor for three straight seasons. It has been overhauled so struggles are to be expected even with Okung’s return. They have talent now all they need is time.

    3. Golden Tate let a pass slip through his hands in the first quarter that resulted in a 64-yard interception return for a touchdown. Has Tate worn out his welcome in Seattle? — Tate should’ve held onto the ball, but I blame T-Jack more so for forcing the ball to a target that is tightly bracketed by two zone defenders. You can’t tell me that no other receiver was available to catch a pass on that play. Jackson didn’t even look for one.

    4. What did you see that you liked? — I liked the overall speed on defense.

    5. What did you see that worries you? — That if we have trouble running the ball this year then we are sunk.

    I’m not too worried because it looked like the offense was really just trying to work on certain things and practice executing types of plays which would explain the sloppy play.

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    AaronCurryIsBUST says:

    August 21, 2011 at 12:43 am

    WHY DOES EVERYONE CONSTANTLY IGNORE AARON CURRY?! That complete BUST did NOTHING but blow coverage, miss tackles, and rack up UNFORGIVABLE PENALTIES!

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    AaronCurryIsBUST says:

    August 21, 2011 at 12:48 am

    1. Does Seattle have a quarterback controversy? – Yes. Tarvaris Jackson is a garbage quarterback and has no business starting in the NFL ever again. Whitehurst has a chance to be decent, start him.

    2. Is the offensive line a worrisome problem, or are you confident things will be fine once left tackle Russell Okung returns. – There isn’t much to do here but wait and hope Cable coaches ‘em up. The talent is as good as it can get there at that unit.

    3. Golden Tate let a pass slip through his hands in the first quarter that resulted in a 64-yard interception return for a touchdown. Has Tate worn out his welcome in Seattle? – No, Tate at his current stage of development is still better than any garbage WR that Tim Ruskell brought in. Give him time, he was a rare talent and special college player.

    4. What did you see that you liked? – Whitehurst continuing to impress and force the issue that Crapson does not belong as a starter.

    5. What did you see that worries you? – AARON CURRY! 4TH OVERALL PICK. 60 MILLION. HIGHEST SALARY ON THE TEAM! CUT HIS ASS.

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    dirtydan54 says:

    August 21, 2011 at 1:22 am

    Hello Seattle, Welcome to Detroit. Pro football in this region will re appear later in this decade at the earliest.

    Expect at best, a quality of football at the level of Jim Zorn and David Krieg combined for some time to come. I do not understand how the importance of dominating offensive line play gets lost by those that coach here in the N.W. is required to get any real positive results from low to journeymen quality offensive weapons.

    The whole offense is offensive and embarassing to offense. Don’t they see this for themselves or are they to involved in beating the rah rah, yea team horse to notice?

    Read more: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/08/20/1789950/recap-seattle-vs-minnesota.html#ixzz1VeLBEJNi

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    devisscher says:

    August 21, 2011 at 1:42 am

    Just watched the first half. I had to put up with Mike Mayock… (NFL gamepass, European fan) Really annoying, so I’m not in a good mood.

    I’m already sick of Jackson. Why aren’t we going after Troy Smith? He’s no worse than who we have now

    The other thing I’m sick of is the immaturity of Curry. Throwing away a helmet? If that behaviour continues I’d bring back Tatupu and cut Curry. Seriously, this guy does not deserve the amount of money he’s getting. 4th pick or not, cut him and move on.

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    dacmike says:

    August 21, 2011 at 2:08 am

    As this point I don’t think there is a QB controversy. I am a Whitehurst fan but imagine him against the Vikings 1st team defense, he would of been sacked 3-4 times where as Tjack got away. Is Tjack the future? no but with how poor the O-line is he is the best option right now. Curry is such a waste of space, he got burned so bad on that fake and then throwing an opponents helmet are you serious? He needs to go and Tate in my eyes needs to be canned as well. If he can’t figure out when to down the ball on a kick off and get to the 11 or drop an easy catch for a first down then say good bye to him. People say this is just preseason but man the hawks overall haven’t look good in either 2 games so far.

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    BobbyK says:

    August 21, 2011 at 2:12 am

    Getting Okung back isn’t going to magically solve the inexperience of Moffpender on the right side. We’re going to have to take some lumps early on. It’ll be worth it though.

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    DisplacedSeahawkFansays:

    August 21, 2011 at 2:49 am

    Seattle definitely have a quarterback controversy. While I like TJacks mobility, he hasn’t demonstrated an ability to throw the ball down field–I don’t think he’s a pocket passer, which is a huge problem. Whitehurst on the other hand looks like a viable NFL quarterback, albeit only against 2nd team defenses. I think that Charlie Whitehurst should be allowed to play with the first team offense next week to see what he can really do.

    The offensive line is in shambles. Granted the line will improve when Okung returns; still, however, I can’t help but worry about future injuries and how much talent we have in reserves. I hope the front office hasn’t settled on the O-linemen we currently have on the roster, and are instead looking at FA who could improve our team. Furthermore, I do feel that coach Cable is capable of improving our O-line, but how long that will take is another story.

    Every receiver drops passes every now and then. Golden Tate’s drop for a pick six was disappointing, but it’s far too early to give up on him. I think that after another year in the league, and given a full training camp, Tate will pan out to be a great receiver.

    Overall our first team defense looked good. In the first half they only gave up 2 field goals. Jennings get picked on and made mistakes, but I don’t think that Carrol envisions him as a starter. Once Thurmond heals I think Jennings can fulfill a role as a slot corner in nickle and dime packages. Excluding the drive the Vikings had from their 2 yard line that resulted in a FG, I was really impressed with the defense.

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    OakleyD says:

    August 21, 2011 at 3:44 am

    Reality is, we have 2 practise games left to see what Whitehurst has got with the first and then see if T-Jax can react with improved play in the 4th warmup game.

    Seems to me like T-Jax is just complacent and comfortable with being the No.1 no matter how he plays. Read when he got here that he is his own worst critic – he may drop himself down to the 2nd team then??? maybe not!

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    piperfeltcher says:

    August 21, 2011 at 4:56 am

    I have a hard time saying T. Jack put up no points as he drove them down the field and made a perfect throw to give the Hawks 1st and goal from the 2 then they ran it 4 times for 1 yard. Whitehurst looked sharp he looks so much more confident then he looked last year.

    The O-line was totally dominated in both the run and pass game.

    Tate has to make that catch every time if he wants to play the slot.

    Loved to see Hill flying around out there and was surprised with how quick Miller’s footwork is for a big TE he should catch a lot of passes this year.

    Jennings looked overmatched again. Curry was nonexistant. No real pass rush unless multiple players were blitzing. Way to many penelties.

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    DisplacedSeahawkFansays:

    August 21, 2011 at 5:01 am

    Re: OakleyD

    In all fairness, T.Jack hasn’t really had a chance to show what he can do. He’s only been practicing two weeks. The onus of yesterday’s loss should fall on the O-line.

    The O-line is the weakest link in our offense. Our offense line can’t pass protect. A lot of q.b.’s, not just T.Jack– who doesn’t seem as familiar with Bevell’s system as Carrol let on, would struggle completing passes behind our O-line. San Diego and Minnesota both have great defenses, both team’s D-lines were better than our O-line.

    Our O-line is young and inexperienced, and defenses know to attack them. Moreover, our O-line hasn’t grasped zone blocking yet. What’s worse is there’s no parity: their focus is on run blocking, rather than pass protecting. Again, in all fairness, they’ve only been practicing two weeks. Tom Cable will mold a great offensive line, given time. In the mean time, if Carrol and Cable don’t focus more on pass protection, teams like Pittsburgh, who we play in week 2, are going to load the box, blitz, and give our Q.B. time to throw.

    Whitehurst throws better than T.Jack, at least so far. Whitehurst has a quicker throwing motion and gets rid of the ball faster. He also seems to scan defenses and know where to go with the ball faster than T.Jack. All things aren’t equal though, i.e., T.Jack plays against first team defenses. Whitehurst deserves a preseason start.

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    DisplacedSeahawkFansays:

    August 21, 2011 at 5:04 am

    In the mean time, if Carrol and Cable don’t focus more on pass protection, teams like Pittsburgh, who we play in week 2, are going to load the box, blitz, and not give our Q.B. time to throw.

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    devisscher says:

    August 21, 2011 at 5:18 am

    n all fairness, T.Jack hasn’t really had a chance to show what he can do. He’s only been practicing two weeks. The onus of yesterday’s loss should fall on the O-line.

    The O-line is the weakest link in our offense. Our offense line can’t pass protect. A lot of q.b.’s, not just T.Jack– who doesn’t seem as familiar with Bevell’s system as Carrol let on, would struggle completing passes behind our O-line. San Diego and Minnesota both have great defenses, both team’s D-lines were better than our O-line.
    —————————————————————————————-
    Jackson has been practicing in that system his entire career. You say Jackson doesn’t seem familiar with the system. That’s true, that’s the QB we are getting. He will always be lost on a football field
    I’ve seen enough, get him out.

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    RADEoN says:

    August 21, 2011 at 5:59 am

    someone upload the video of curry throwing that vikings players helmet… i didn’t see it.

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    pabuwal says:

    August 21, 2011 at 6:23 am

    The OL clearly can’t pick up a blitz, the Seahawks may have signed yet another washed up LG and everyone is up in arms about the QB “controversy.”

    Whitehurst completed over 70% of his passes and somehow managed a measly 5 yards per attempt. That’s not even Jimmy Clausen like. Just any single sack or 10 yard penalty will kill a drive without any downfield passing game. The offense is good for around 13 points a game with that type of passing attack.

    I loved Whitehurst’s accuracy and he deserves a shot with the 1s in practice instead of next week’s game. But to think we just found an answer at QB when we simply found someone who is less bad is putting our concerns in the wrong place.

    I regard this as a true rebuilding year like Holmgren had in 2000. Last year wasn’t a rebuilding year. My expectations are very low for the first 8 games, perhaps 2-6 or 3-5.

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    Southendzone says:

    August 21, 2011 at 7:11 am

    1) Unfortunately no, we don’t have a QB controversy. Only because for some unknown reason Schneider/Carroll crowned TJ (Hawkrus, love the T-Joke nickname, that is awesome) as the starter when he’s never proven he should be a starter anywhere.

    2) Yes O-Line is worrisome. And it’s the right side not the left that is looking very shaky. If a good OG can be called a road-grader, I think we can safely call Carpenter at RT a traffic cone for as much resistance as he puts up on pass blocking.

    3) Maybe, this is like our 15th biggest problem so I don’t care about Tate

    4) CW looks to make a decision and go with it. He has at least some potential and deserves a shot. I like what I see from RB #45 as well.

    5) O-Line and somehow against all odds after 5 years Kelly Jennings still can’t cover yet he earns a starting roster spot on the Hawks.

    Has anyone started a “Bench T-Jack” FB page yet?

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    Palerydr says:

    August 21, 2011 at 8:03 am

    I think we are on pace to win 3-5 games this year after watching that performance overall.

    If there isn’t a QB controversy there should be. Give CW a chance against another teams #1′s Is it truly comPete or just sometimes comPete?

    OL gets a pass from me ….for now they are young and haven’t played together long enough to be able to work well together. I expect them to get better as the season goes on.

    I thought to myself as Tate had that ball go through his hands “A starting slot receiver is not gonna have a job in the [N]ot [F]or [L]ong league if he keeps that up”

    Leroy Hill making plays sideline to sideline. CW playing well against the #2′s #45 Clayton running the ball. Washington running the ball.

    What did I dislike? in a word alot. Curry’s poor play and the stupid penalty. Jennings poor coverage. The ineffectiveness of the OL Jackson’s poor presence in the pocket granted he was under extreme pressure. MN was blitzing almost every play so there was little game planning for this game. No downfield throws to the WR’s ok 1 but it was a big miss out of bounds. Overall a poor performance against a team that I think isn’t going to be much better in the win column than we are.

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    yellaman says:

    August 21, 2011 at 8:16 am

    1. Does Seattle have a quarterback controversy? From the moment Jackson signed, head coach Pete Carroll anointed him as the team’s starting quarterback. Then Whitehurst went all Joe Montana on the Vikings. Where does the team go from here?

    Pete Carroll needs to open up the competition @ QB. Tavaris looked tentative with his decision on where to throw the ball. The INT wasn’t his fault but Tate’s fault. The O-line was very porous against the Vikes so maybe he should get a pass but CW should @ least get a shot playing with the teams 1st unit.

    2. Is the offensive line a worrisome problem, or are you confident things will be fine once left tackle Russell Okung returns.

    The O-Line is where I thought it would be but I did expect better results witht he 1st unit running the ball. The pass protection will be a problemm all year I think

    3. Golden Tate let a pass slip through his hands in the first quarter that resulted in a 64-yard interception return for a touchdown. Has Tate worn out his welcome in Seattle?

    GoldenTateisabust.com can we all say it together

    4. What did you see that you liked?

    Except for our secondary I did like the play of our frontline defense

    5. What did you see that worries you?

    The O-line play and the lack of production on offense

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    SeahawkFan12 says:

    August 21, 2011 at 8:28 am

    Even though it’s “only” a preseason game, I’d be interested to hear comments from both Rice and Jackson about facing their former team. I get the sense that Rice wanted to win this one.

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    yellaman says:

    August 21, 2011 at 8:35 am

    Another tidbit on vikes game is that I was at the game and got to see it live compared to TV and you can really see other aspects of the game that TV doesn’t give you. The play of the 1st team offense against vikes 1st team defense was horrible for the hawks. The Vikes D-Line manhandle the hawks consistantly and Tavaris looked very unsure of his reads maybe because of the pressure up front. Golden Tate cannot be counted on right now to be a starting caliber WR dropped 2 passes ( one went for a INT TD). Also, how many TE’s can this team keep McCoy, Byrd, and Miller all looked good out there. Carlson would be the 4th TE on the roster. Also Pat Williams didn’t do himself any favors making the team, he dropped a would be a 1st down catch and slipped on an in route pass route that could have been a big gain. Also the secondary for the hawks doesn’t look good at times can we find another answer to Kelly Jennings? PLEASE

    a few thoughts

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    PugetSounderforLifesays:

    The biggest disappointment with Tate is his mind boggling decision-making, or lack of decision-making. He plays dumb.

    Couldn’t agree more. When I watched Tate in college great exciting things happened when he got near the ball. Now, I wince when he is involved in a play. The result could be good, but it generally ends up bad.

  48. Cripes! Made a bloody mess with my cut and paste there, didn’t I :-(

  49. HawkyHann says:

    O Line will be fine. Be patient.

    T. Jax is pathetic. Just listen to him speak. He has to be the dumbest starting QB in the league. I’ve seen & heard more than enough. Get that guy out of Seattle. Its a joke. Run first, dink and dunk, “Creative” passes are more like extremely bad decisions because he can’t focus. Can you imagine him in the huddle?

    Tardy Jax, did you see Leon wide open when you tried jamming the ball into Tate, who had defenders all around him. Can you not go past your first read?

    Charlie is the best man today. Start him and move forward with success. If not, it will be week 4, we’ll be 0-4, before we see a quality QB.

  50. ChrisHolmes says:

    Tavaris looks exactly like he did in Minnesota: lost.

    He’s not NFL QB material.

    I think this team could actually be *competitive* with Whitehurst at the helm all season. But if Jackson is the QB then we’re picking first in the draft next spring.

  51. What worried me is that almost none of the WR’s ever separated from the DB’s including BMW and Rice.

    Tate was open enough to get that pass to him and if you want an NFL paycheck as a WR if you get 2 hands on the ball you better catch it! otherwise it’s pine time or waiver wire.

    To me the OL and DB;s will be wildly inconsistent this year – having good moments and truly awful ones.

    Why everyone thought that Gallery would be great is beyond me – he was servicible in Oakland and might be here. I do think that Fanicia will be pushing for playing time somewhere along the line.

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