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Morning links: Jackson under the microscope

Post by Eric Williams on Aug. 5, 2011 at 6:42 am with 32 Comments »
August 5, 2011 6:42 am
Seattle Seahawks quarterback Tarvaris Jackson greets fans before participating in his first training camp practice on Thursday. (Joe Barrentine/TNT)

Dave Boling of The News Tribune takes a closer look at Seattle Seahawks quarterback Tarvaris Jackson and how he performed on his first day on the field at training camp.

As we noted on Thursday, Boling says Jackson struggled, but expects the former Minnesota quarterback to knock the rust off.

Boling:

“It’s probably unfair to expect too much from this guy until he gets acclimated. On his first day, he mixed some bad with the good. But he really roped a few passes, can throw on the move and looks very mobile.

“And there were a few plays that I’d call “indicator plays,” times when you’d go, whoa, that’s the kind of play an NFL starter should make.

“On one, the defense came at him with an all-out blitz. He spotted it on the backpedal and quickly unloaded a dart to back Marshawn Lynch, in stride, in a seam.

“It takes legitimate arm strength to throw that pass; it takes composure to stay under control with so many guys in your face; and it takes awareness to read the pressure and get it to the right guy.”

Clare Farnsworth of Seahawks.com has this detailed report from practice on Thursday, including a note that Ben Obomanu was excused from practice to attend to a family matter.

Doug Farrar of Yahoo Sports offers his thoughts on the first day free agents could practice for Seattle here, including a similar evaluation I had on Jackson on Thursday.

Matt Hasselbeck gets mostly good reviews in his first practice with the Tennessee Titans.

Nathan Fenno of the Washington Times writes that former Seahawk cornerback Josh Wilson is trying to convince Lofa Tatupu to join him in Washington. Tatupu took a physical for the Redskins on Thursday.

Erick Walker of the Kent Reporter talks with Kentwood High product fullback Mike Karney, who said he expected to signed with the Seahawks after he passed his physical on Wednesday. However, those plays have been put on hold as the team instead attempts to convert some tight ends into fullback to fill that need.

Sam Spiegelman of USA Today expects Seattle tight end Zach Miller to thrive under offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell.

According to Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea.com, the San Francisco 49ers sent out a mass email to the 31 NFL teams letting them know former USC safety Taylor Mays was available for trade. The second-round draft pick never found a home in the 49ers defensive backfield, and is now working with the second and third s string.

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  1. “It takes legitimate arm strength to throw that pass; it takes composure to stay under control with so many guys in your face; and it takes awareness to read the pressure and get it to the right guy.”

    I’d call Jackson a franchise QB in shorts. I really would (that part is a compliment to him).

  2. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I think Jackson will do better here in Seattle.( He is changing from a veteran team to a young team.I think he will be more comfortable here and a better fit.) How much better remains to be seen?

    Check out this Justin Forsett video. Don’t know if it’s been posted yet? It’s worth a look!

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Video-Seahawks-8217-Forsett-makes-video-for-w?urn=nfl-wp4585

  3. Palerydr says:

    For now I’m willing to give Jackson the benefit of the doubt but he does have some red flags. Like Bobby said why would a team in need of a QB[MIN] not resign someone if they thought he had the tools to get it done? Instead they draft a QB in the first round and trade for Donavan McNabb not a good sign.

    Eric I would like your impressions of Gallery, Browner, Durham and KJ Wright.

  4. Nice report by Farnsworth on the Offensive line units.

    Hope he does a different unit each day.

  5. Georgia – I don’t think there’s any doubt that he will be better here than Minnesota due to the fact that QBs who have played the position in the NFL with 5 years of experience (whether starting, or sitting the pine but still absorbing their surroundings) are almost always better than guys who are in their 2nd or 3rd year. I just hope it’s a bigger leap and jump than I, sadly, expect it to be.

  6. snoopy123 says:

    “why would a team in need of a QB[MIN] not resign someone if they thought he had the tools to get it done”

    because MIN is falling apart. While Leslie Frazier could be a good head coach, he is a defensive guy. They cut their pro bowl left tackle, lost their pro bowl WR, and their O and D lines are getting super super old.

    I would ask, “Why would MIN draft Christian Ponder with the 12th overall pick of the 2011 draft”

  7. The 3rd year is when most players really hit their prime. The QB position always seems to have a different set of rules (so a 6th year QB usually seems to be better than themselves as a 2nd/3rd year player). By the time a RB hits 30, you’re scared. But by the time a QB hits that same age, they are in the midst of their prime.

  8. Soggybuc says:

    Plus a new city and coaches may be just what he needs to take that next step. some teams are just inept and can not develop guys properly.
    I’m going to be optimistic (like we have a choice)

  9. baldbandit says:

    In Steve Young’s first two seasons with Tampa Bay he want 3-16 with 11 touchdowns and 21 interceptions.

    I’m not saying Tarvaris is the next Steve Young, I’m just saying you can’t always judge a QB by their first couple of years playing in the league.

  10. SeahawkFan12 says:

    Weird seeing Hasslebeck in a Titan’s uniform (or any uniform other than a Seahawks uniform)…

    I’m not high on Jackson, so I’ll reserve my comments until we see him in a real game. And as I’ve said before, he’s a bridge QB, not the future of the franchise. He’ll either be a backup or a Raider next season.

  11. Tampa Bay was a train wreck until Tony Dungy turned them around in the late ’90′s. And Steve Young? He was drafted first overall in the 85? draft. Our boy Jackson was a projected to go in the 4th but for some reason Bevell and Childress took him in the late 2nd.

    Jackson was playing for a Vikings team considered to be a SB contender only lacking a quality QB. So he was considered to be the problem. Favre was brought in and had AP and Harvin not fumbled the Saints game away,,, indeed, the Vikes would have reached the SB.

    That would be on Bevell if Jackson wasn’t developed properly having been OC for the Vikings. Bevell replaced the fired Bates as the new Seahawk OC and we hear he is the reason Jackson was signed.

  12. Eric,
    Mentions of converting tight ends to fullbacks in the Karney article. Is Jameson Konz perhaps one of those guys?

  13. bird_spit says:

    Can some one explain 1) where seattle is on the cap?, 2) what are the cap rules?

  14. I’m optimistic for Tarvaris b/c I think we may actually have a running game this year. The last few games of the season we actually ran the ball pretty well, and I’m thinking that w/a healthy Okung, and the additions of Gallery and Carpenter, our line should be stronger this year. Nothing like a run game to help a QB succeed.

    My biggest cause of pessimism? I finally took a closer look at our schedule. Very tough this year.

  15. I don’t know if comparing the first two years of Steve Young is the same as comparing a half decade of Jackson.

    While I may not like Rick Spielman, I don’t believe he’s dumb enough to let a franchise QB leave for nothing if he, in fact, believed he could be a franchise QB. They felt they had to really reach for a QB than go through the pain of another year of Jackson.

  16. pdway – you realize that Jackson had Hutch and Adrian Peterson, right? That was when McKinnie was actually good and Matt Birk was a Pro Bowl center for a time, too.

  17. SandpointHawk says:

    Steve Young also played a year for the Los Angeles Express (1984).

  18. Dukeshire says:

    Just a general thought; for anyone going to see camp at any point, post someof your observations like KD did yesterday. It’s always fun to get different perspectives. Anyway…

  19. Like the Brock signing.

  20. Wasn’t Shanko? a big part of the Vikes offense in Minn., I would also believe Miller will become a legit weopon for Jackson.

  21. “why would a team in need of a QB[MIN] not resign someone if they thought he had the tools to get it done”

    Why would Bevell bring in Jackson if he thought he lacked the tools to get it done?

    Why would Sidney Rice come to Seattle if he thought his former teammate lacked the tools to get it done?

    Here’s a quote from Rice: “I felt like in Minnesota he was never let loose, never allowed to play comfortably like I know he can play. I feel like he’ll get that opportunity out here to prove all those guys who think he’s not an NFL quarterback wrong.”

  22. GeorgiaHawk says:

    It’s Miller time!

    ‘It’s a combination of what I believe the coaches are doing here, the atmosphere and what I think we’re going to do here in the future. I think we’re going to win and win a lot and be a championship team.” – Miller, when asked what attracted him to the Seahawks.”

  23. I’ll be at practice again on saturday watching a little more defense this time. Anybody want me to check anything out specifically?

  24. KD – curious as to your observations on Moffitt. Thanks.

  25. HawksKD, I’d love to know how Aaron Curry and Brandon Browner are doing. Thanks.

  26. “pdway – you realize that Jackson had Hutch and Adrian Peterson, right? That was when McKinnie was actually good and Matt Birk was a Pro Bowl center for a time, too. ”

    Yeah, I’m not holding out hope that he’s going to be the next Brady or Manning, but the more we can run, the less he’ll be called upon to do. And was it the fact of him being so bad that cost him his job, or the fact that they had a chance to grab Favre and contend right away that was the turning point? My recollection is that it was more the latter.

  27. For some pre-draft background on TJax:
    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/1107218
    http://skolvikes.blogspot.com/2006/04/second-round-tarvaris-jackson.html
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2006/draft/players/25996.html

    Prior to the draft scouts called TJax a developmental prospect (not a finished product) who needed a season or two to complete his game, kinda like a Ryan Mallet with a little better speed. TJax might have done better learning the WCO under Holmgren and Zorn in ’06 and behind Hasselbeck if TR had waited and taken him instead of taking David Greene in ’05. Everything we’ve been hearing about him in his career in MIN and so far in TC here can be seen from those scouting reports. I just hope that MIN doesn’t prove to have done to him what DET did to Joey Harrington or (?) did to Akili Smith, etc., etc., etc.

    Let’s hope TJax can get back on track to perform up to his potential. Don’t over estimate his coming performance against some of the best defenses at he start of this season.

  28. HawksKD says:

    Bobby K – Moffitt check. I didnt get a chance to see the right side much as the offense was always driving to my left during scrimmages and by the time the action played out there was a muck of bodies in the way. I will definitely keeping an eye on Jim and carp more on Saturday.

    Canfan – I wasn’t watching much D but browner definitely stood out. He always seemed to be involved in breaking up jump balls and seemed odd stacking up almost evenly against BMW and Rice when lined up. We was taking reps at RCB with the ones and twos. Doesn’t look exceptionally fast but seems to have a knack for the position and ball. He moves very naturally for a guy his size as far as changing direction and turning his hips.

    Curry didn’t do much to catch my eye which is actually a good thing compared to past camps where I could always spot him over pursuing or getting leafed off like an uncoordinated bull when rushing.

    I’ll be watching a lot of D on saturday so I’ll keep an eye on him.

  29. Thanks, HawksKD. I’m hoping Curry has a breakout year.

  30. HawksKD says:

    I think we all are, including himself.

  31. Palerydr says:

    @Canfan I’m on record for giving the guy a chance I’m just not convinced that he’s anything more than a bridge QB. I believe the Hawks are gonna be in the 5-10 to 8-8 range in wins this year. I fully expect them to draft a QB next year which I think will be Landry Jones.

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