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		<title>By: xcman</title>
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		<dc:creator>xcman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 22:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chuck while I have enjoyed your expertise through all of this - I am not sure anyone - other than the players and the owners know if there was different language in it or not.

I have seen &quot;experts&quot; say there was extra and there wasn&#039;t extra.  

We have heard from both sides that the revenue sharing was put in by the owners and the players had not seen it.  Goodel said it himself.  We put in a supplemental revenueing sharing plan for the players.  

I am also confident from listening to both sides talk that the owners ratified their proposal not a done deal where everything is done.

I believe they have agreed to the base of the contract but not necessarily all the specifics.  Some of those specifics might be critical to the players.  Having been through a number of these types of negotiations (okay ours are talking like $700,000 a year and not 9 billion) both sides try this all the time.

The more I watch the NFL press conference the more I feel it was all a PR stunt by the owners.

It&#039;s really odd because I have gone back and forth on who I favor in this whole thing - but right now I feel the players are getting a short stick right now.  heck they didn&#039;t even see the agreed deal until 2.5 hours after the press conference.  That is just odd to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck while I have enjoyed your expertise through all of this &#8211; I am not sure anyone &#8211; other than the players and the owners know if there was different language in it or not.</p>
<p>I have seen &#8220;experts&#8221; say there was extra and there wasn&#8217;t extra.  </p>
<p>We have heard from both sides that the revenue sharing was put in by the owners and the players had not seen it.  Goodel said it himself.  We put in a supplemental revenueing sharing plan for the players.  </p>
<p>I am also confident from listening to both sides talk that the owners ratified their proposal not a done deal where everything is done.</p>
<p>I believe they have agreed to the base of the contract but not necessarily all the specifics.  Some of those specifics might be critical to the players.  Having been through a number of these types of negotiations (okay ours are talking like $700,000 a year and not 9 billion) both sides try this all the time.</p>
<p>The more I watch the NFL press conference the more I feel it was all a PR stunt by the owners.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really odd because I have gone back and forth on who I favor in this whole thing &#8211; but right now I feel the players are getting a short stick right now.  heck they didn&#8217;t even see the agreed deal until 2.5 hours after the press conference.  That is just odd to me.
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		<title>By: osbrey</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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NFLPA to meet monday July 25TH.]]></description>
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<p>NFLPA to meet monday July 25TH.
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		<title>By: klm008</title>
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		<dc:creator>klm008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 17:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s July 22, now what?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s July 22, now what?
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		<title>By: SeahawkFan12</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 17:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[chuck, great post. Thanks for the explanation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chuck, great post. Thanks for the explanation.
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		<title>By: chuck_easton</title>
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		<dc:creator>chuck_easton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Owners did NOT make any last minute changes to the agreement in anything that effects what the players NEGOTIATED.

The only real change the owners made was to set up formal revenue sharing between the teams (good for the game, keeps the small market teams happy and functioning.

The other thing the Owners did was to give the players a deadline.  Sign the deal and reform the Union or no deal.  A deadline for signing the deal is standard in any formal negotiation I have been in.  When you get to the point that everyone has done their give and take and their are parts of the deal that each side likes and parts that each side doesn&#039;t like you set a deadline.

To not have a hard deadline gives the other side the opportunity to go back and try to re-negotiate what has been done.  

It&#039;s the age old &#039;buyer&#039;s remorse&#039;.  I&#039;ll put it in terms the vast majority of us have actually dealt with.  You go to the car dealer.  You talk price.  You talk features.  You haggle over the sound system.  Each side tries to get the other to &#039;throw in&#039; something to benefit the other side.  At the end of the day the dealer tells you the deal is on the table until day X or he/she will have to sell the car to someone else.  Even if you do sign you go home and have that immediate &quot;what have I gotten myself into&#039; moment.

The players are now having &#039;buyers remorse&#039;.  They negotiated this deal.  They gave up alot.  They got alot of consessions from the owners.  Now it&#039;s time to put pen to paper and they are having second thoughts.

But in their minds instead of being honest with themselves and saying &quot;I should have gotten the rubber mats and not the cloth ones&#039; they say the owners took advantage of them and pushed them into a bad deal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Owners did NOT make any last minute changes to the agreement in anything that effects what the players NEGOTIATED.</p>
<p>The only real change the owners made was to set up formal revenue sharing between the teams (good for the game, keeps the small market teams happy and functioning.</p>
<p>The other thing the Owners did was to give the players a deadline.  Sign the deal and reform the Union or no deal.  A deadline for signing the deal is standard in any formal negotiation I have been in.  When you get to the point that everyone has done their give and take and their are parts of the deal that each side likes and parts that each side doesn&#8217;t like you set a deadline.</p>
<p>To not have a hard deadline gives the other side the opportunity to go back and try to re-negotiate what has been done.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the age old &#8216;buyer&#8217;s remorse&#8217;.  I&#8217;ll put it in terms the vast majority of us have actually dealt with.  You go to the car dealer.  You talk price.  You talk features.  You haggle over the sound system.  Each side tries to get the other to &#8216;throw in&#8217; something to benefit the other side.  At the end of the day the dealer tells you the deal is on the table until day X or he/she will have to sell the car to someone else.  Even if you do sign you go home and have that immediate &#8220;what have I gotten myself into&#8217; moment.</p>
<p>The players are now having &#8216;buyers remorse&#8217;.  They negotiated this deal.  They gave up alot.  They got alot of consessions from the owners.  Now it&#8217;s time to put pen to paper and they are having second thoughts.</p>
<p>But in their minds instead of being honest with themselves and saying &#8220;I should have gotten the rubber mats and not the cloth ones&#8217; they say the owners took advantage of them and pushed them into a bad deal.
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		<title>By: Stevos</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &quot;July 21 deadline&quot; and FA period that has been floated in the press for a week now appears to be another PR ploy by owners.  They still have the players right where they want them, not seeing the fair deal they want, but knowing they have to give in and sign up soon.  And now the owners have created more pressure on players to agree by getting the fans pumped up by the idea of FA and camps opening soon.  They players union will be forced to eat this deal before players start missing checks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;July 21 deadline&#8221; and FA period that has been floated in the press for a week now appears to be another PR ploy by owners.  They still have the players right where they want them, not seeing the fair deal they want, but knowing they have to give in and sign up soon.  And now the owners have created more pressure on players to agree by getting the fans pumped up by the idea of FA and camps opening soon.  They players union will be forced to eat this deal before players start missing checks.
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		<title>By: JoSCh</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why can&#039;t folks just be honest and staight forward?

Because if they are deceitful they&#039;re more likely to &quot;win&quot;.  If you&#039;ve got enough money for that Caddy you can certainly afford floor mats.

/devils advocate
//literally, the NFL owners are Satan&#039;s minions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can&#8217;t folks just be honest and staight forward?</p>
<p>Because if they are deceitful they&#8217;re more likely to &#8220;win&#8221;.  If you&#8217;ve got enough money for that Caddy you can certainly afford floor mats.</p>
<p>/devils advocate<br />
//literally, the NFL owners are Satan&#8217;s minions.
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		<title>By: TruBlu</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why can&#039;t folks just be honest and staight foward, I mean really, why can&#039;t they just come up with a reasonable agreement. Why do some people always have to try and squeeze a little more out then they should instead of just being fair. F... greed man, money will always be the root to all evil. I thought that analogy of the guy buying a caddy and him and the dealership arguing about the floor mats, really, if your about to buy a caddy, throw in the floor mats for free mother f....er.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can&#8217;t folks just be honest and staight foward, I mean really, why can&#8217;t they just come up with a reasonable agreement. Why do some people always have to try and squeeze a little more out then they should instead of just being fair. F&#8230; greed man, money will always be the root to all evil. I thought that analogy of the guy buying a caddy and him and the dealership arguing about the floor mats, really, if your about to buy a caddy, throw in the floor mats for free mother f&#8230;.er.
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		<title>By: TruBlu</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like Steve Young said, the owners agreed to their own deal they made. Plus you got a 500+ document the players have to go over, you just can&#039;t do that in a couple of hours. The owners are trying to be scandulous by making it look like they set up an agreement that themselves and the players had a hand shake deal on so when the players take their time to go over it, it looks like they are the bad guys. Also, if what some media folks are speculating is true, the owners threw some language in their about revenue sharing and some other stuff that they never even discussed with the players. The owners are just like every other CEO&#039;s and corperations, think of the Banking Industry, how do you think they got so much money and power, by screwing people over and thats what it sounds like they are trying to do to the players. Hopefully fans see through this garbage and realize that the owners our trying to back the players into a corner and have them rush to agreewithout fully understanding what it is they are signing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Steve Young said, the owners agreed to their own deal they made. Plus you got a 500+ document the players have to go over, you just can&#8217;t do that in a couple of hours. The owners are trying to be scandulous by making it look like they set up an agreement that themselves and the players had a hand shake deal on so when the players take their time to go over it, it looks like they are the bad guys. Also, if what some media folks are speculating is true, the owners threw some language in their about revenue sharing and some other stuff that they never even discussed with the players. The owners are just like every other CEO&#8217;s and corperations, think of the Banking Industry, how do you think they got so much money and power, by screwing people over and thats what it sounds like they are trying to do to the players. Hopefully fans see through this garbage and realize that the owners our trying to back the players into a corner and have them rush to agreewithout fully understanding what it is they are signing.
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		<title>By: xcman</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 04:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stupid owners!!  Totally a PR move, no real &quot;agreement&quot; just a power play by the owners.

IF the players get a few things straightened out I hope it does actually go to a vote it passes and we are good to go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stupid owners!!  Totally a PR move, no real &#8220;agreement&#8221; just a power play by the owners.</p>
<p>IF the players get a few things straightened out I hope it does actually go to a vote it passes and we are good to go.
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