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Morning links: Kolb’s true value

Post by Eric Williams on July 8, 2011 at 10:28 am with 63 Comments »
July 8, 2011 10:28 am

Derek Stephens of The Blue Bird Herd provides an interesting analysis of Philadelphia quarterback Kevin Kolb’s true value vs. his market value with free agency and trading season looming once the lockout is resolved.

Stephens argues that Kolb’s true value is more likely a second to fourth round pick, but that his market value is being inflated to a first round pick or more because of the high demand for a franchise quarterback.

Stephens: “Could Kolb be a good fit? Sure. And I think he could be worth going after, at the right price. It just so happens though, that he can’t be got at the right price, if it takes a 1st and a 3rd (or more) to get him. Maybe a 2nd and a 5th or a 3rd and a 4th could be justifiable.

“Not gonna happen.

“Simply put, this deal should not be made. Franchise QBs are hard to come by, sure. But Kolb is far from that now and far from a guarantee to be that in the future. Bring back (Matt) Hasselbeck for 2 years, let (Charlie) Whitehurst play (or sit) out his remaining year, draft a QB next year and let him sit under Matt for a year. In the meantime, someone more proven could very well come along on the trade market between now and 2013.”

I talked with Edward Cole of Football News Now about the Seahawks’ upcoming season, which you can listen to in this audio link.

Bucky Brooks of the NFL Network writes that Kerry Collins announcing his retirement raises the possibility of Matt Hasselbeck landing in Tennessee.

Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc ranks Seahawks defensive end Chris Clemons as the fifth best player in the NFC West. Arizona receiver Larry Fitzgerald is the top-rated player, followed by San Francisco’s Patrick Willis, Justin Smith and Vernon Davis.

More Williamson: Brandon Mebane comes in as the seventh best player in the NFC West, and Russell Okung is No. 8. Seahawks linebacker David Hawthorne is No. 15.

Clare Farnworth of takes a look at the 1990 team.

Rob Phillips of previews his team’s Week 8 contest against Seattle.

Seahawks offensive lineman Tyler Polumbus held a free football clinic for developmentally disabled kids back in Colorado. Story also includes a video of Polumbus working with the kids. Pretty cool.

Adam Schein of Fox Sports picks Steve Largent over Walter Jones as the greatest player in Seahawks history in the video below.

<a href='' target='_new' title='Franchise Best: Seahawks' >Video: Franchise Best: Seahawks</a>

Once again, Andrew Brandt of the National Football Post provides an excellent run down of what is happening behind the season as the labor negotiations move to an important day today, with both sides trying to save the preseason.

Meanwhile, as the two sides negotiate, the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled 2-1 in favor of the league that the lockout is legal.

Jack Becta of the National Football Post says NFL owners could learn a thing or two from Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban. While on the surface Cuban does not seem a very likable guy, I talked with him several times while covering the Sonics and his honesty is refreshing, along with the fact that he’s one of the few owners of a major sports franchise that will actually respond to your email.

NFL owners should take a close look at how he engages his team’s fan base, along with his willingness to do whatever it takes to win.

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  1. Dukeshire says:

    Clem the 5th best player in the NFC West? Ahead of S Jackson or Adrian Wilson, to name just two? I have a hard time buying that. He had a nice season but all but 3 of his sacks as I recall, came as a result of blitzes. So an argument can be made he’s not as disruptive as his numbers would lead one to believe. Still, it’s nice to see a Seahawk on there but come on now,

  2. chuck_easton says:


    I’m going to go out on a limb here and perpetuate our natural inferiority complex.

    1) Williamson is an East Coast guy.
    2) Clemons came from the Eagles
    3) Of COURSE he’s the best defensive player on the Seahawks because he came from the East.

    See how easy that was?

  3. Soggybuc says:

    Awesome Video of Tyler! great job for doing that.

    I really hope he sticks with the hawks as depth this year. dont forget he was signed and then starting before he could probably get his pants buckled up and was on page 2 of the playbook.
    While got jobed pretty good at times he held his own at times as well. call me jaded but i think he earned a spot at second string.

  4. Dukeshire says:

    Chuck – Boy, that was easy! And here I was thinking this was just another careless and thoughtless piece by Williamson.

  5. The 8TH Circut Court just ruled that the lockout is legal!

    They also ruled that Teams may NOT lockout Rookie’s and street FA’s!

  6. Soggybuc says:

    Where did you read that Osbrey? I havent seen that mentioned in the articles ive seen.
    Seems to me that would have to be illegal under labor laws. That would be like Boeing barring non striking union members from working scheduled shifts while hiring non union members to work those same shifts. Chuck??

  7. You can’t lockout someone not under contract. Simple as that.

    There appears to be some wiggle room with what you can do with them such as playbooks but the NFL probably is trying to get the teams all on one page for negotiating puposes.

  8. Soggybuc,
    I read the article in 8TH circut decision

  9. It’ll be some weeks before free agents and draftees would be able to contract with teams. The NFLPA has to go back to Nelson and ask for an injunction specifically about free agents and draftees and it would supposedly take a couple weeks to get her decision back. Then the 8th circuit probably wouldn’t overturn Nelson’s decision.

  10. Dukeshire says:

    Klm – How do you know that it will take “some weeks”?

  11. Soggybuc says:

    Thanks Osbrey, hmmm since teams can not lock out draftees and FA’s does that mean we can go hang out at the VMAC? last I checked I don’t have an employee relationship with them either so they cant lock me out!
    I guess it would not stop them from calling the cops who probably wont buy my “but the 8th circuit” excuse.

  12. Dukeshire says:

    While draft picks aren’t under contract, their rights are “owned” by the respective drafting teams. So I find it incredibly unlikely they would now be able to head to the workout facilities, or have any contact, with their teams. Von Miller who’s a named plaintiff in the anti-trust suit can now head into the Paul D. Bowlen Memorial Broncos Centre in Denver and begin working out and eating in the cafeteria and so on? Sure. Let me know when Carp and Moff stroll into VMAC…

  13. chuck_easton says:

    That sight is the only site that has interpreted the ruling that way

    My reading the ruling is clear. The lockout is valid. The decertification by the union was I’ll timed at best.

    Nothing in the ruling allows for undrafted FAs or rookies to come into camp.

  14. Dukeshire says:

    Chuck – Bear-in-mind, they did use Adam Schefter as their source. He’s a NFL insider and expert. Right?

  15. chuck_easton says:

    I can’t find any quote from schefter either on his twitter or espn insider

  16. chuck_easton says:

    What schefter says is since unsigned players and rookies do not have a signed contract they are not covered under an employment agreement.

    This means that they have every right to go back to judge Nelson for a specific ruling about them.

    She would likely state that they are not covered by the lockout.

    The NFL would appeal that ruling as well.

    So it is not a situation where teams can start talking to rookies and free agents.

  17. Dukeshire says:

    If you check out the link osbrey directs us to, you’ll see that they note Schefter as their source. And no disrespect intended, but it’s pretty obvious teams cannot start talking to rookies. My previous comment was intended to be purely sarcastic.

  18. chuck_easton says:

    Also no disrespect to schefter but what he says defies logic.

    If a team signs a rookie they are now under contract and are locked out.

    Same with a FA. Say some team uses this as a loophole to sign some FA. That player is now under contract and is locked out.

    This doesn’t even take into consideration the fact that nobody knows what the cap is really going to be. How can a team sign a FA if they don’t know how much money they have to spend? How can a team sign a rookie if they don’t know if there will be a rookie cap?

    Schefter brings up the fact that the loophole exists but what is an unsigned player or rookie going to do? They can shop themselves around. So what. It’s back to that idea that an unsigned player can try to say that since no team is offering them a contract it proves there is a violation of anti-trust law and we are back to litigation that would not be heard until sometime in 2012

  19. BobbyAyala says:

    Philly is trying to fleece value here. Why would they roll the dice on Vick, when the dude is such an injury risk? Well, that risk is negated if you can grab AZ’s first-rounder a year from now.

    I’d avoid Kevin Kolb like the plague, but it would also be in Seattle’s best interest to feign interest, as it will only drive up the cost for Arizona.

  20. LaCroix says:

    This circulating rumor about a 1st and 3rd offer for Kolb is the work of the Eagles trying to inflate Kolb’s value. I’m sure Schneider is having a laugh over it, but it sure has got the media and fans buzzing.

  21. Palerydr says:

    As you all probably know by now I trust John Clayton more than Schefter. I was listening to Clayton yesterday and he says that there was little progress and he really doesn’t know what the owners are thinking. He speculates they will wait to the last minute then come up with an offer like in March the day before they went to court. Apparently he actually talks/texts with the owners themselves but they don’t always respond. He also says that of the teams that might be interested in MH that Ten might have the best chance to sign him but they are up against the cap as of now so the Hawks could offer the same amount of money and he would stay here due to his family and he(MH) genuinely likes the Puget Sound himself. Of course as has been pointed out by others here on the blog know one knows what the actual numbers are going to be so everything is really speculation until the CBA is signed by both sides.

  22. Dukeshire says:

    This may make me a small and petty person, but this makes me so happy. Couldn’t happen to a bigger d-bag.

  23. HawkfaninMT says:

    I am very Anti-Kolb so let me get that out of the way first.

    If I were a team looking to trade for Kolb i would look at past transactions that carry similar weight. The first that came to mind was Matt Schuab. Back up QB (to Vick at that) that flashed the skillset of a franchise QB. He was traded to the Texans under the following deal:

    Texans get: Atls 1st (10) and Matt Schuab
    Atlanta gets: Houstons 1st (8), 2nd in current draft, and 2nd in next draft

    Now we have the luxury of knowing that Schuab became a franchise QB so the trade worked out well for the Texans. They REALLY only traded to 2nds for a franchise QB.

    With that reasoning I agree with Derek Stephens above. The talent would dictate a trade of 2 2nd’s for Kolb, But the market is dictating a 1st and a 3rd. So the market is over valuing Kolb which should mean a no sale. But as BobbyAyala stated above, the more the Cards pay the better!

  24. I think the NFL owners negotiation style is evident now. They will tease the fans with the news that some kind of deal is imminent. In private they will keep stringing the players union along and keep getting more concessions. When a deal is close they will stomp away from the negotiating table and demand more. Owners will do this right up to the point where training camps are at risk of being shortened, since that potentially hurts the players and could cause dissension on that side.

    But owners will close the deal fast if these tactics continue to the point where preseason revenue would be lost. That’s the point where the players’ union leverage increases, and that’s when the deal gets done. That said, I hope they cut to the chaste and get the same deal done now.

    The teams who will be hurt the worst by this are the rebuilding teams like the Seahawks, teams with new coaches and schemes like the Seahawks and 49ers, and all the rookies and young FAs whose careers are getting screwed.

  25. Dukeshire says:

    I don’t think there is any question the ‘Hawks have already been hampered by this lockout. Beyond the OTAs and mini-camps, it’s the one on one coaching sessions, film study and individual teaching that goes on outside the scheduled practices that’s hurting all the young players. And Seattle has a ton. These are critical times for young players so they can hit camp, ready to go. As it stands now, all that teaching will begin months behind schedule, when camp opens.

  26. Yes. The veteran type of teams are at an advantage here. But we’re not as bad as some of the teams with new head coaches. They are really going to be in a frenzy when they are putting in new schemes.

  27. Dukeshire says:

    I appreciate how calm so many here are about the lockout. I wish I shared that peace of mind. You all realize the season is scheduled to begin in just 8 weeks…? Camps open in only two weeks. I’m so disgusted right now.

  28. Soggybuc says:

    Maybe they should fire Cable. that way he can become a “work out consultant” and then re-hire him when the lock outs lifted.

    Just look at Kolbs rating when under pressure and that should tell you everything why Philly is willing to trade him.
    Go with CW if we have to. look at how many teams have drafted QB’s fairly high in the last 3 years. 2012 draft crop is going to have a lot less competition for the position.
    Just because Luck happens to be the only consensus NFL talent there right now doesn’t mean squat. as happens every year other guys are going to rise and play themselves into the conversation. how many of you can honestly say you had Newton as the overall #1 pick as of July 2010?

  29. HawkfaninMT says:

    I would argue that Barkely, Foles, and Jones are concensus NFL Talents right now, not just Luck. A QB doesn’t need to be drafted Number 1 to be successful. Freeman was in the teens as was Flacco. Ryan was 3 overall I think, Rodgers was in the 20s. Cutler and Big Ben around 12 if I remember right.

    Even if we don’t flop completely and get Luck, one of those 4 at the moment are looking like NFL-Franchise Calibur QBs and with the impending Rookie salary cap will not come with as a big of a risk as was the norm.

  30. HawkfaninMT says:

    “…one of those 4 at the moment….” should have read “…ALL of those 4 at the moment”

    Sorry about the typo

  31. Soggybuc says:

    Can’t disagree with any of that list. but someone will also emerge who is not on the radar atm, could be Brantley from UF. horrible 2010 for that team but that was to be expected considering the talent they bled to the NFL last 2 years and the fact that in football it just always work as well as you’d like.
    The fact also remains that just maybe the Hawks were crazy smart in not trading away the future this for a QB like all the “experts” had us doing and waiting a year when a very good QB will be there no matter our position.
    Carolina, Tenn, Minn, Jax, and SF all took themselves off the table this year. Det, lambs, NYJ, TB and KC in the previous 2.
    As i see it the only real contenders in the league left might be Buff and Mia. maybe the raiders but they will screw it up as usual. i would say AZ too but the Wiz seems dead set on going vet FA and not wanting to develop one, and even if they do they have already spent a lot Dp on QB’s.

  32. Dukeshire says:

    And we’re going to get an up close seat to those guys in the PAC 10, er 12 this year. It’s going to be fun to watch their continued development.

  33. pabuwal says:

    Duke – Seeing that happen also makes me a small and petty person.

  34. Palerydr says:

    Throw me in with the small and petty crowd cuz I can’t stand Ward either hope he at least misses a game. Drove out to Deception Pass (Awesome views in the clear weather) today with the wife and listened to Clayton. He seems to think that the lockout will be done by July 21 with a signed CBA and rules in place to govern FA and training camps. I sure hope he’s right and if it’s true then FA is gonna be big news almost hourly!.

  35. Hines = douche
    Ward = bag

  36. I’m pretty sure the police who nailed Hines Ward for DUI will overturn their ruling after further review and award him with 7 points. After all, he’s a Steeler.

  37. Duke –

    Ruling leaves open possibility for NFLPA to file injunction
    Jason La Canfora
    “Given that Judge Nelson previously declared the lockout itself illegal, her interpretation would seemingly side with the players, and an expedited decision could come within a matter of weeks after filing, the NFLPA believes. . . . However, as always, one would expect an appeal to be involved and the 8th U.S. Circuit Court has taken a different view of things than Judge Nelson to this stage. But it’s the NFLPA lawyer’s interpretation of Friday’s decision by the 8th U.S. Circuit Court, based on the wording of the ruling, that such an injunction would be legal and not subject to appeal.”

  38. Haven’t heard that the NFLPA has filed for the injunction by Nelson yet, to prevent teams from locking out draftees and FAs. The NFLPA may be concentrating on trying to get the new CBA deal done first, since it’s the 10th and supposedly pre-season games start getting missed if they haven’t worked one out by the 15th.

  39. duke, i wouldnt get too worked up over the lockout if i were you. unless youre secretly an nfl executive or even a coach or player, then you really have nothing to worry about. youll still be able to pay your bills etc.

    I’m personally cheering for the lockout to cut into the season. It will teach these owners (who likely make more per year than most small communities) and players (who are also paid handsomely, but most don’t save or invest properly, they just buy rims and cars) how good they really have it. Imagine how the whole organiation including the owners, players, nfl, nflpa and staff will feel seeing millions of dollars sucked right out from under them.

  40. Dukeshire says:

    Cutting into the season won’t teach either party any lessons. They already know the dollars that are at steak. I couldn’t imagine rooting for the lockout cutting into the regular season. To me, that’s like rooting for the Seahawks to loose.

    And yes, I’ll be able to pay my bills whether they play games or not. But that’s not really the point, for me anyway. I love the game. I love watching it, going to games, studying it, rooting for the ‘Hawks, betting on it (so there is some financial interest…) the anticipation waking up Sunday morning. All of it. So, while I probably shouldn’t get too worked up, but the closer we get to missing games (and we’re now on the cusp) the more disappointed and angry I become as something I love and has been a part of my entire life is being taken away.

    Anyway, as I said before, I wish I shared that indifferent feeling but, not in my nature I guess.

  41. Dukeshire says:

    Thanks for posting that, Sand. What’s not to like about Big Russ?

  42. Soggybuc says:

    Ok lets break down the 2012 draft and who needs a QB! ( Queue the MC Hammer)

    AFC East:
    Patriots: Brady = Set
    New york Jets: Sanchez = Set
    Miami: henne = Hunting
    Buffalo: Fitzpatrick = Hunting

    AFC North:
    Pittsburgh: Rothlisburger = Set
    Baltimore: Flaco = Set
    Browns: McCoy = set
    Bungholes: Dalton = set

    AFC South:
    Indianapolis: Duh! = Set, but looking. draft position will take them out the running for a top prospect.
    Jacksonville: gabbert = Set
    Houston: Schabb = Set
    Tennessee: Locker = Set

    AFC West:
    KC: Cassell = set
    San Diego: Rivers = Set
    Oakland: Cambell = who the hell knows with Davis in charge
    Denver: Orton, Tebow = pick your poison but Set.

    AFC teams looking for the man = 3

    NFC east:
    Philly: Vick = Set
    Giants: some guy named… = Set
    Dallas: Romo = Set (hold on still laughing at this one)
    Washington: ? = definatly hunting

    NFC north:
    Bears: Cutler = Set ( see dallas comment)
    Packers: Rodgers = Set and then some.
    Lions: Stafford = Set
    Vikings; Ponder = Set

    NFC South:
    Atlanta: Ryan = Set
    Saints: breese = Set
    Bucs: Freeman = Set
    Panthers: Newton = Set (good luck with that)

    NFC West:
    Rams: Bradford = Set
    San Fran: Kaepernick(sp) = Set
    Tardnils: pissed away alot of draft picks on QB’s who suck. the Wiz will go vet and use his #1 somewhere else
    Hawks: ? = despite the BS and rhetoric are in a great position for the 2012 draft

    NFC teams looking for the man = 2 for sure 3 if ya factor AZ

    The Team has stated they have a plan, and my guess the plan is to re-sign Matt and get the QBOTF in next years draft because the competition has thinned itself.

  43. Dukeshire says:

    Aside from Dallas being “set” (based on your chart, I’d list them as hunting) I agree with not just the list, but premise. Although, there are so many variables and so many things can / will change between now and next April it’s impossible to know for certain what happen. But teams in need of a QB wouldn’t seem to have much competition. Good for Seattle.

  44. Thanks Soggy,
    Very interesting analysis. DC and BUF might vie for the Luck/Barkley lotto, and IND, MIA & OAK may all end up with better records than SEA (although I suspect OAK to take a big step back).

    OK, things can change but roughly 5 or 6 teams going into the 2012 draft looking for top QB draftees, assuming Wiz gets Kolb or some other veteran. Luck and Barkley likely go in the top 3, then there’s OK’s Jr Lance Jones who may go top 15, then Mich St’s Kirk Cousins, AZ’s Nick Foles, and SD St’s Ryan Lindley may go in the 2nd depending on how daring those teams’ GMs are that “must have” QBs.

    Wouldn’t mind getting OK’s QB Lance Jones in the ’12 draft. Not sure how well he’d fit in PC/Bevell’s offense, nor how quickly he’d pick it up. If they re-signMatt they better keep him thru ’12. If JS/PC lose Hasselbeck and CW starts thru ’12, SEA might end up with Barkley(?)

  45. So, I have a question for whoever would like to answer. Well, a few questions in fact:
    Since it is getting close to training camp time and it still looks like there is no bargaining agreement I can still consider this season a “true season” even if there are preseason games cancelled or the amount shortened, however, I am wondering anyone’s take on:

    1. Should there really even be a season if it gets to regular season time and the season isshortened to only, say, 14 games?
    2. How would a “shortened” season work?
    3. would they just extend the season and Superbowl would be in March instead?
    4. How would it feel or would you as a fan want your favorite team to win a championship in a “lock out” shortened season? Wouldn’t there always be that asterisk* next to the World Champs if the season is shortened by a few games so then it would be fodder for rival fans/teams to say forever that “yeah, they won the Superbowl in 2012 BUT……”

    I don’t want to go without NFL football next year as I find it to be the most exciting sport in the world but I sure don’t want to have my favorite team win and be in the record books as the team that won it all but it really doesn’t count since the season was shortened, extended, etc etc etc…..o-well….just tired of the “what-if’s”….realy getting discouraged at this point….

  46. I almost wonder if Hasselbeck is looking at this young OL, how late it is before they even start to get any instruction in Cable’s ‘new’ system, and starts wondering to himself how many sacks he’s gonna haveta take before they start to become a unit. Would TEN’s OL look any better to him, and how does that effect his ‘home-town discount”?

  47. I think the Bengals would take Luck if Dalton has a so-so rookie season. He could be fine. He could be terrible. And if he’s merely average, I can still see them getting him if they end up with the first pick (which is a possibility playing in that division with a rookie QB and a bunch of exciled WRs).

    I think that Stanford alum John Elway wouldn’t think twice about taking Luck and ditching the Tebow/Orton experiment. I really don’t see Tebow having an overly good season. He may have the work ethic and desire to be better than he’s supposed to be at this level (I’m still thankful he’s not a Seahawk) but I think a guy like Elway wouldn’t pass on one of those “can’t miss” franchise QBs if the opportunity presented itself.

    I really don’t know if Holmgren is sold on McCoy either. There have been a bunch of conflicting reports about how the organization views him. I think McCoy’s future will be determined by his ’11 play and if he doesn’t have a really, really good year — I think the Brows will use their draft pick ammo to get “their” guy in the ’12 draft.

    I know there’s more to this than Luck, but you get the idea.

    Getting back to one of the topics on this post… some scouts say that Kolb is more likely worth a 3rd or 4th round pick.

    I get a kick out of how many teams, on average, are so protective of their draft picks 364 days per year and then the day of the draft they will throw all these crazy offers out there to get their guy. Can anyone imagine the Falcons trading a 1st round pick for a player and then trading their 2nd round pick for a player and then trading a 4th round pick for a player and then trading a 1st round pick next year for a player and then trading a 4th round pick next year for a player? Instead of getting 5 different players in 5 separate trades, they simply got Julio Jones. He better be good.

    The Browns threw a 3rd rounder at Chiefs for swapping 1st rounders. If a team tried giving the Seahawks a 1st and 3rd round pick for Mebane, teams would criticize them. Well, the Browns took a DT who I don’t think will ever be as good as Mebane and nobody said anything. I know that Phil Taylor is younger than Mebane, but still… the Browns traded a 1st and 3rd for a run stuffing DT. If you look at it on draft day, it’s no big deal. But if you put it in terms of what they gave up… a 1st and a 3rd… then it’s a big deal, IMO (and I have nothing against Taylor or the “value” spot they got him in). I’d rather have a potential long term answer like Kolb with a 1st and 3rd than a run stuffing DT.

    And what about some of these teams that draft fullbacks and kickers in the 3rd or 4th rounds? Would some brilliant scout who would recommend taking a FB or K really say that they are getting better value with a 3rd round pick by taking a kicker or fullback instead of trading that pick for a potential long term answer at QB like Kolb if he could be gotten for a 3rd round pick (like they say he’s really worth)?

    Just some points of discussion since it’s boring this time of year (although we should be getting jacked with anticipation, as Duke has alluded to).

  48. @ Dukeshire…….so are you still giggling at Hines Ward getting hit by a little Karma this weekend? I know you hate him but respect his play….I read about his DUI and could only think of you laughing histerically and saying “HA! take that dummy!…dance your way outta this one Hines!!!!” LOL!

  49. Dukeshire says:

    DFloydd – No! That would be incredibly immature. (So, yeah. I pretty much find it quite ammusing.)

    Regarding shortned season; There is some leeway in the schedule if the season doesn’t start on time. Indianapolis can hold the Super Bowl as late as Feb 12 (a week later than scheduled) and teams can eliminate their bye weeks and they can also eliminate one of the two weeks between the championship games and the Super Bowl. That right there would allow the season to start October 2nd without having to reduce the 16 game schedule. There have also been rumors that the league has an “emergency” plan that allows for an 8 game schedule but I’m not sure how credible those “stories” are.

    As for how I feel? I would be horrified if Seattle’s first Super Bowl victory came with an asterisk. (After I sobered up, that is.)

  50. klm008, that’s a good point re Hasselbeck’s likelihood of signing here again. I’ve said i thought Hass would be crazy to leave for another team at this stage of his career as opposed to letting the Seahawks match the offer to stay in Seattle. And, I still think that is likely to happen.

    But you make a good point, that when Hass looks the Seahawks OL he sees an LT who has played in 10 games, a C who has played about 5 games at C, and two rookie starters on the right side who didn’t even have OTAs or an off-season workout program.

    Anyone needs to see that this just might be the worst offensive line in the NFL in 2012, one that could be a hazard to a QBs health.

    Hass just might be too smart, and too tired of getting injured, to sign with this team. I hope that’s not true, but I think a lot of veteran QBs would not want to sign here.

  51. I meant 2011, not 2012. I forgot what year this is. Blame it on the lockout.

  52. Soggybuc says:

    doesnt it just piss you off when after spending 15+ minutes trying to write a somewhat intelligent post you find out the TnT somehow fubared your cookies causing your entire post to go poof?

  53. Been there. Done that. Sucks.

  54. That’s right Soggy. Its enough to make a guy go on a rant.

  55. How many people here think that the Redskins have a tainted Super Bowl win in 1982 (when they beat the Dophins)?

    I know of nobody who considers that Super Bowl to not really count.

    The NFL only had a 9 game regular season due to the strike. What’s more, there were even two teams who made the play-offs that season who had LOSING records. The Lions and Browns both made the play-offs with records of 4-5.

    If we won it all with an 8 game regular season, I wouldn’t care, and it would be just as legit in my books as the ’82 Redskins or the Packers of this past season.

  56. Dukeshire says:

    It counts, that’s for sure. But I do see it in a different context (not just 9 game season but the goofy tournament-style playoffs where division records were meaningless) than teams that ran the 16 (or 14 previously) game gauntlet. Their name’s on the Lombardi Trophy, but for me it’s not quite the same.

  57. Yeah, I guess a trophy is a trophy is a trophy…..we as fans don’t make the rules or schedule the games or write the record books so a win is a win in my book…..i would just hate those conversations with (mostly east coast) sports fans who would most definitely argue the fact that an 8 game season superbowl win doesn’t count… blah blah blah….unless it was their team who won of course….sorry but the bias against professional pacific northwest sports teams drives me crazy……

  58. Palerydr says:

    Soggy yea your post not getting posted due to some kind of electronic foul up sux so what I do is make sure my email address is listed in this section:

    Mail (will not be published) (required)

    I noticed that my post will show as long as my address is listed if it’s not listed you have to click on the Home tab(looks like a tiny house) on the top left of the tool bar at top of web page. You have to sign out then sign back in. Hope that helps.

  59. If we don’t get Matt resigned, a legit LG in FA (as Cable has said will happen), and some nice tinkering with some role players (and maybe a mega-splash type of stud… see Rice, Sidney) I really don’t think we’re going to have to worry about winning a tainted Lombardi.

    If we go with the only QB under contract, no real addition at LG, etc. the only thing we’re going to win is a top 5-10 draft pick.

  60. c sections says:

    speak soon

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