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Morning links: Hawks still need a QB

Post by Eric Williams on May 29, 2011 at 11:11 am with 44 Comments »
May 29, 2011 11:11 am

Jim Corbett of USA today weighs in on the Seattle Seahawks with an in-depth look at where the team sits heading into the 2011 season.

Corbett rightly says that quarterback remains the top issue for Seattle, depending how the team chooses to address it in free agency.

The quarterback issue is one of five burning questions Corbett addresses about the Seahawks.


“Carroll said he’d like to bring Hasselbeck back. Question is, at what price? And what other options will be available when football returns? The hiring of former Trojans quarterbacks coach Karl Smith might be a signal the door is being kept open for Palmer or Leinart.

“Then again, Carroll said the Seahawks didn’t chase a quarterback in the draft because they spent a 2010 third-round pick on former San Diego Chargers third-stringer Whitehurst a year ago.”

ESPN’s John Clayton interviews new Seattle Seahawks safety Mark LeGree.

Adam Caplan of Fox Sports compares Seattle’s heavily criticized move of drafting James Carpenter in the first round to Houston drafting Duane Brown in the first round in 2008. Several draft analysts believed the Texans could have gotten Brown as late as the third round, but he has proved to be a solid starter for Houston.

Greg Gabriel of the National Football Post offers a rave review of Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck, calling him the best quarterback he’s evaluated since Peyton Manning.

Len Pasquarelli of the Sports Xchange has an interesting story about a company that has developed a program to track twitter and facebook accounts of pro athletes and to notify their teams when something controversial has been said.

Dan Pompei of the National Football Post talks to Tennessee Titans’ offensive coordinator Chris Palmer about how he intends to improve Jake Locker’s accuracy.

Doug Farrar of Yahoo Sports talks to Chester Pitts about his crank call spoof to Roger Goodell and other issues related to the labor dispute.

Lori Nickel of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel offers this nice profile on Andrew Brandt, who has done an excellent job breaking down the lockout into every man’s language at the National Football Post.

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  1. Dukeshire says:

    E, Sunday morning post…? Nice. Not that I’m not enjoying this hangover while watching these race-cars make 800 left turns at 200 mph in Indianapolis. (Those people are crazy, btw.)

    But, Corbett’s piece is a bit puzzling to me. First off, how does Carl Smith’s (not Karl, Jim) hire “…signal the door is being kept open for Palmer or Leinart.” Leinart perhaps, although he coached him only one season at USC (albeit his Heisman year of ’04) but he has never worked with Palmer. Have the two even met? (I’m sure their paths have crossed, but simply because the two have been at USC at completely different times, doesn’t mean there is a professional obligation to work together.)

    And his take that Sherman is a “lock-up” corner is a stretch. He may develop into one but he’s not one yet. He wasn’t even one at Stanford. He’s a freakish athlete but he’s only played corner for 2 seasons. Which raises another question; is Corbett aware of that? Because he implies that Carroll was recruiting him as a corner out of Compton and that he got him “on his second try”. He may have gotten the player and person but at a different position, it would seem.

    I’m always a little disappointed when someone with such a large platform, like Corbett has at USA Today, doesn’t take the time to dig beneath the surface and panders to the easiest narrative. Not that I expect someone outside the region to have the same depth of knowledge or insight as a beat reporter would, but at least make an effort.

  2. Dukeshire says:

    In a desperate need for some football, I went to my fantasy football team page on ESPN (I know, I know…) Anyway, discovered a pretty cool link. If you look beneath the Peterson picture you’ll see “Offseason Work” video. Hasselbeck is in it quite a bit, which is cool. What’s not cool? He’s still wearing a brace on his left wrist! Still. Look closely at the basketball portion of the video. Did he have surgery after the season, I wonder? Even still, it’s been months. I find it very odd.

  3. Dukeshire says:

    After watching the video again, he’s got the brace on throughout. Guess that’s just where I first saw it. (Anyway, sorry for the 3 consecutive posts…)

  4. GeorgiaHawk says:

    ” I am a play maker and I can go get that ball”

    Music to my ears, by Mark LeGree.

  5. maddog12 says:

    Duke you can post anytime you want. Don’t always agree but always appreciate your take as I do most of our fellow football starved Hawk fans.

    Hass in any brace is not good. The more I read the more I think he will not get paid big bucks with the Hawks and will be offered what the Hawks feel he has left not what he has done and will be gone (someone will pay for what he has done). Qb in Seattle will be wide open in 2011. ComPete will be in full effect. If nobody emerges… the Hawks will keep drafting till one is found. That won’t be easy.

  6. SeahawkFan12 says:

    220+ mph in a left turn all day is dizzying…event without a hangover. I, on the other hand, nursed one all day until I tapped some wonderful microbrews and watched (don’t judge) a NASCAR race that was was a repeat of the “go fast, turn left, go fast, turn left…” madness of Indy (just slower). Can we end the lockout already? Please?

    I’m not sweating the Hasselbeck brace; pro athletes sooner or later become professional rehabbers. I just want us to re-sign the man, already. And if Luck ends up in Seahawk blue and green…I’ll not shed a tear!

    Man I miss football…

  7. Soggybuc says:

    It would be nice if one of these morons actually took the time to look at the roster and the moves that have been made before spewing off about the teams “needs”.
    Sherman will hopefully be a good corner in a couple of years but he was not drafted to take KJ’s spot in 2011(if we have a season) that will most likely be Thurman or Browners job.
    Another thing that no one has talked about is that drafting Legree gives them the option of shifting ET to corner if needed. Mack Brown talked about how that was where he really wanted him and that was going to be his spot had he not come out early.

  8. chuck_easton says:

    I agree that a writer saying Sherman was specifically drafted to take over the starting CB job was a reporter that has not even bothered to look at the roster and is only writing from what he thinks will happen.

    Thurmond will be the starter at CB. I don’t see Thomas being moved from safety. He was a strong candidate for rookie defensive player of the year as a safety and he led the team in interceptions. I see Legree pushing Milloy and Chancellor for the other safety position which would free Thomas up to freelance back there more in the Ed Reed and Troy Polomanu mold.

    If I were a national reporter I’d guess that the starting DB’s next year will be

    Thurmond, Legree, Thomas, Trufant (if he re-structures).

    I could see Browner being moved to safety with his size.

    Sherman will have to fight Pinkard and Lewis for a spot if the team only keeps 4 CB’s.

    I would see the safeties as Thomas, Legree, Browner and Chancellor with Babineux as a canditate to be kept around.

  9. Dukeshire says:

    chuck_easton – I agree with a lot of what you said here (although I do think Babs is gone…). Carroll’s not moving Thomas to corner for a couple reasons; 1- he doesn’t fit the profile Carroll has shown he wants there, physically. 2- (more importantly) Carroll’s defense really utilizes a lot of single high safeties, rotating either the FS or SS down based on the offensive alignment and / or any blitzes that are called. Thomas and Legree (his potential) and hopefully Chancellor (Legree / Chancellor is going to be a great camp battle) as well, seem ideal compliments to that philosophy.

    And if you think back to Carroll’s defenses at USC, so-called shut down corner play has not been a prerequisite for great play in his secondaries. I’d be surprised to learn he had many (any…?) All-American corners or even corners that developed into stud NFL players. In any case, Thomas isn’t going anywhere from FS, IMO.

  10. Soggybuc says:

    I was not trying to say that PC was going to move ET to starter at CB but that it is an wrinkle that could see some play and in a dire injury situation might be needed. ET is not the proto-typical CB in the system but his skill is such that it doesnt leave a downside.
    The more I look at what they are doing with this secondary is see tons of flexability in how they can deploy it. think of how good offenses can deploy multiple sets and looks to confound a defense. maybe Pete is trying to create a D that can do the same to the QB’s reads.
    The thing thats pissing me off the most about the lockout is we are not getting a chance to see how a guy like Browner is fitting into the mix. the guy was an absolute stud in the CFL and can be a very good corner in the NFL. the thing about his time up north is that it was not practice time, it was live game time, playoff time and big dance time.

  11. Dukeshire says:

    I agree. It’s funny to me that there is this attitude that the lockout isn’t significant until games are missed. I couldn’t disagree more. UDFA have yet to be signed, rookie mini-camp has been missed and at least one full OTA missed (two for teams that have new head coaches). While that’s not games, it is football. And it’s important time that begins and helps develop teams. Ridiculous…

    And yes, Thomas has the ability to play corner in a pinch and that’s part of his value. But hopefully it won’t come to that, he’s too valuable on the back end.

  12. chuck_easton says:

    The problem is the players aren’t feeling the pinch yet because they haven’t missed any paydays yet.

    That is why everyone says there won’t be an urgency until games (paychecks for the players income for the owners) are missed.

    If the players are not successful this coming Friday I expect you will see them becoming more serious about things. However Pitts has said that the players are in it for the long haul. I don’t think he understands the longhaul could be 2012 or even later.

  13. Dukeshire says:

    Most players under contract have already lost roster and workout bonuses. Of course those don’t compare to game checks, but they are losing money. And I put no stock into anything Pitts says at this point. I do think though when game checks are in jeopardy, we’ll see just how strong the players solidarity is. I suspect it won’t be as strong as some think.

  14. GeorgiaHawk says:

    No doubt that the players are feeling a pinch! There is no where else for them to go.
    They don’t have much of a choice or a chance. This will probably end soon because collectively the players are living from pay check to pay check.

  15. I’m annoyed by both sides. This is a game (lockout/CBA) that needs to end up in a tie, but all these guys can think of is to pound the shit out of the other guy. Great on the football field, but lousy for business partners. The players will start to feel the pinch, which is good. But we need the owners to feel the pinch, too. What we should do is organize a boycott, not of the games, but of all the additional spending done around them – jerseys, beer/food at games, paraphernalia – and of their advertisers’ products. No deal by July 1, we’re not gonna spend any extra money and we’re going to boycott your advertisers. We’ll watch your games, but you’re going to pay too. Because you’ve been screwing with us.

  16. Dukeshire says:

    I certainly understand that frustration but sadly if games are missed it’s going to be everyday people, boycott or not, that are going to be hurt; venders, servers in restaurants, etc…

  17. HawksOrFan says:

    very true Duke, its not just the owners and players. this is going to end up hurting alot of people, from a variety of occupations.

  18. SEA OPP W/L
    14 24 L @SF
    34 38 L @PIT
    38 17 W AZ
    24 32 L ATL
    6 39 L @NYG
    0 31 L @CLE
    20 26 L CIN
    21 38 L @DAL
    33 26 W BAL
    15 24 L @STL
    15 21 L DC
    18 28 L PHI
    18 19 L STL
    0 36 L @CHI
    13 18 L SF
    25 23 W @AZ

    It’s possible to go 3-13 in 2011, with or without Hasselbeck at the helm.

  19. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Sad but true , this lockout will hurt the venders and servers, and anyone else that relates to the functions of quest field.

  20. GeorgiaHawk says:

    kim008- can you look up the stats of the team that had the most total offensive yards in 2010 and allowed the least amount of yards in 2010, and then explain to us why this team did not even make the playoffs?

  21. Dukeshire says:

    klm – You have Seattle being shut out by the Browns yet hanging 33 on the Ravens? Lol, against my better judgement I have to ask how that works?

  22. Palerydr says:

    Georgiahawk looks like you are referring to the SD Chargers I would say that -6 in turnovers and poor special teams play would be the contributing factors.

    Was listening to Clayton the other day and I am in no way sticking up for the guys behaviour but Clayton says that he was elected the player rep for the Hawks the first week he was here. Apparently even though he acts the fool he is well versed in the responsibility’s of a player rep.

  23. Duke – Now that really looks like an oops! But don’t sleep on the Browns.
    Nov 4, ’07, first game after their bye, SEA lost at CLE 30-33. That year SEA’s offense was rated (simple rating system) at 0.8 and their defense was 0.9, while CLE’s offense was 2.2 and their defense was -3.3. Last season SEA’s offense was rated -3.9 and their defense was -5.5, while CLE’s offense was -3.4 and their defense was 2.0. However, CLE had one of the hardest schedules (0.89) compared to SEA’s schedule (0.11), and CLE’s offense at home averaged 18 points/game and SEA’s defense averaged 29 points allowed at away games. Conversely, last season SEA’s offense averaged 17 points at away games and CLE’s defense allowed 23 on average at home. Still you’re right it doesn’t make sense, but 3-13 would put us in the hunt for a good rookie QB.

  24. Dukeshire says:

    I’m not sleeping on the Browns. They are a young and improving team, headed in the right direction to be sure. But if this fictional 3-13 team gets goose-egged by then, I don’t see how they rebound to put 33 on the Ravens. But no matter, this is your fantasy…

    Palerydr – That’s an odd thing about Pitts to me as well. One has to be well respected to be voted player rep (Milloy and Hass are the alternate reps). So for him to act like a fool and say some of the things he’s said (especially early on, in the lockout) is puzzling to me.

  25. Lets make the discussion of this year’s schedule more realistic by assuming he first 4 games or so aren’t played. Unless the Supreme Court sides with the players, games will be missed until the players cave. And if they don’t cave, the entire season will be missed.

  26. Thanks Duke – That’s an obvious error (SEA putting up 33 on BAL – also putting up 34 vs PIT). Gotta spend some time tinkering. Statistically, last season the Seahawks were a really awful team. They put up just the right number of points to eek out games, then generally got blown out when they lost. That was with one of the easier schedules. With a harder schedule, wouldn’t be too schocked to see 2-14. SEA’d be within striking distance of drafting a franchise QB. Maybe things might work out.
    Dec 23, ’07, week 16 at home, SEA beat BAL 27-6. In ’10 BAL had one of the harder schedules (0.71) compared to SEA’s (0.11), and in that reg season SEA put up 310 points and allowed opponents to score 407 (my ’11 predictions above gave SEA 291 points while allowing 442, a decrease of 19 points of offense and an increase of 35 points allowed by the defense due to tougher schedule) while (in ’10) BAL put up 357 while allowing opponents only 270. Again, SEA’s offense in ’07 was rated 0.8 and defense 0.9, while BAL’s offense was -5.0 and defense -1.8. In ’10 SEA’s offense was -3.9 and defense -5.5, while BAL’s offense was 0.9 and defense 5.5. BAL’s offense away averaged 21 points/game while SEA’s defense at Qwest averaged 22 points allowed. And, last season SEA’s offense averaged 20 points at home and BAL’s defense allowed an average of 17 (both at home and away). The week 10 estimated outcome probably should be closer to 10-27, BAL.
    By week 10 with an improved run game – especially if SEA can maybe find a way to use LW as a threat in outside zones, I expect the pass offense may improve. A new OL if they can stay healthy might be starting to find some continuity by then. Timing might just be starting to get right between SEA’s QB & receivers by then also. Maybe not.

    Another article about Kold and the Cardinals: This time they’re saying AZ may not be a good fit for him.

  27. Interesting LA Times article on the lockout:,0,7739899.story After Aug 15 reg season games start getting cancelled.

  28. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I still believe that special teams and the 12th man will help get Seattle two to three wins.
    It could get ugly again this year in the NFC west. I just can’t see any team having a winning record.6-10 is the best that I see any NFC west team doing. However in about two to three years from now it should get better.
    I hope so anyways.

  29. maddog12 says:

    klm008 that was an interesting article. It articulates something that we all seem to know…deepest pockets usually win.

  30. pabuwal says:

    The Seahawks now have one of their least talented teams in their history. The Seahawks had at least one HoF player from 1976-2008 counting Cortez Kennedy and Walter Jones as futures HoFer. In 1997 they even had 4 HoFers or future HoFers playing very good football (Jones, Moon, Mawae and Kennedy).

    Now they have none. The Seahawks don’t even have Pro Bowlers, 1000 yard rushers or any of the statistical achievements they have typically had. I know this is part Ruskell, but I also hope it’s not part Carroll. Here is a coach who devalues the QB position, believes in big tall (and slow) CBs and WRs and is fielding the worst non-expansion era defense in the team’s history with little concern or admission of how bad it is. He thinks the OL needed fixing – well this defense needed even more fixing!

  31. Dukeshire says:

    pabuwal – You are making some awfully broad assumptions, there; Do you know there are no future HOFers on this team? What evidence do you have that he “devalues the QB position”? What do you offer that supports the suggestion he has “little concern” regarding the defense?

    I’ll give you credit; you’re nothing if not consistently mypoic and negative.

    klm – It’s only natural to look ahead at the next season’s schedule and make suppositions. But there is very little value in doing so, IMO. If all those teams on their ’11 schedule play the way they did in ’10, yes it’s tough. If the Seahawks play at or below their ’10 level, any schedule would be tough. If, if, if… But moving forward, there is no way to predict with certainty how any of the 32 teams will play to start and through their respective schedules. The myriad of variables involved are simply too great. We expect certain things out of certain teams based on recent past results, but those are past results. Every year for every team brings a new set of challenges and unpredictability (let alone going back 4 years).

  32. Very true Duke, I just wanted to temper my own high hopes for a 12th NFCW banner by SEA going 8-8 in ’11. Maybe a 12th banner in ’12 for the 12th man?

  33. pabuwal says:

    Sorry, Duke, after they give up two first round draft picks for Kevin Kolb, the Seahawks will have their first future Hall of Famer on the roster and Kolb will manage to throw for 3000 yards in the upcoming 8 game season.

  34. chuck_easton says:


    If Seattle gives up 2 1st round draft picks for Kolb I will personally burn every piece of Seahawks clothing I own in the VMAC parking lot.

    Who’s with me?

  35. chuck_easton says:

    And I do not think this is the least talented team in Seahawks history. I put the 2-14 team WAAAY behind this team. I’ll take the new PC aproach over anything from the Ken Behring years. The only thing that could have made Ken Behring worse was if he also had Ruskell as his GM.

  36. Dukeshire says:

    pabuwal – Lol, you love Kolb.

    Chuck – I’m with you!

    Klm – Tempering 8-8 expectations… lol. Fair enough.

  37. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I agree with paduwal that the Seahawks have one of the least talented teams in their history. And I was counting on the team to at least use one of their top two picks on the defensive side. Especially since the draft had a bumper crop year with defensive lineman, and Carroll had said after last years draft that he wish he could have gotten one.
    I do believe though that continuing to fix the o-line is high priority, so I can’t be too disapointed.
    With that being said, overall the job that Carroll has done is outstanding, I can’t wait to see what kind of additional players are added to the team this year.

    This talent thing can get turned around very fast in the NFL, and I believe that the Seahawks are well on their way to doing that.

  38. Dukeshire says:

    They may have not used either of their first two picks, but they did dedicate 6 out of 9 overall to defense. That ought to tell us at least something about what Carroll feels about the current state of the defense.

  39. maddog12 says:

    I think this is going to be a very unusual year. Lockout ,short training camp if any. Who knows what free agency and when. Way too many variables.

    I liked the draft. We must have a dominant O line. If the O line plays well we will be able to keep our offense on the field and the D off. Without that fundemental thing, we will just go backwards (imo).

  40. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Carroll’s a defensive minded coach, no way is he going to neglect that side of the ball for long. And he will continue to add to the defense through free agency.
    I like what we have on our o-line now, however I don’t want to see the Seahawks use another 1or2 on an o-lineman for awhile. Unless it’s a steal like Hutch was.

  41. GeorgiaHawk says:

    maddog12- I agree, very unusual. I believe that will be to Carrolls advantage. He is such a great communicator/ multi tasker that he will be spring loaded and ready when this lockout ends. He will be everywhere, like a mosquito on speed.

  42. Dukeshire says:

    Things have not exactly gone well for Leaf since he left WSU…

  43. Regarding a boycott of the NFL, I’ve cancelled all my subscriptions to team, league, and most importantly NFL shop email and mail correspondence. It really didn’t provide any value to me, but I’d imagine if a bunch of people did it they’d notice.

    I’ll also not be buying any more NFL gear. I have enough anyway, but I certainly don’t want to give the impression to the owners or the players that I’ll support them without them providing their service.

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