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Morning links: Kolb Sweepstakes

Post by Eric Williams on May 26, 2011 at 8:38 am with 36 Comments »
May 26, 2011 8:38 am

ESPN’s John Clayton believes the Arizona Cardinals are the leaders of the pack in the Kevin Kolb sweepstakes once free agency begins, giving 2-1 odds that he will land in the desert.

However, Clayton has not ruled out the Seattle Seahawks potentially going after the Philadelphia Eagles quarterback, although he gives Pete Carroll’s crew longer odds at 10-1.


“The Seahawks will get in the Kolb mix, but they could get close to the same production if they bring back Matt Hasselbeck, then make a move on a new, young, franchise quarterback next year.”

Clare Farnsworth of writes that linebacker Fredd Young and Julian Peterson are the only Seattle players to make the Pro Bowl every year they were with the team.

More Farnsworth: Young and Rufus Porter are the latest additions to the 35th anniversary team.

Seahawks interior lineman Chris White works on is pass drop at Plex Performance in Houston in this video link.

Matt Barrows of the Sacramento Bee provides a run down on all the player-led workouts in the league.

Chris Wesseling of believes tight end Daniel Graham could be an option for the Seahawks in free agency. Offensive line coach Tom Cable coached Graham while both were at Colorado.

Jack Bechta of the National Football Post relays his roundtable discussion with a group of prominent judges in San Diego on the NFL labor front. Bechta said he was surprised to hear the judges express an opinion that the labor dispute does not belong in the courtroom.

Alex Marvez of Fox Sports reports from the NFL owners meeting in Indianapolis, where league commissioner Roger Goodell delivered a sobering message regarding the labor situation. Goodell once again encourage the two sides to get back to the bargaining table, and said the league could lose as much as $1 billion in revenue of the season begins as late as Oct. 1.

Despite Goodell’s doom and gloom message, Clark Judge of CBS Sports said owner confidently stated to Indianapolis officials that there will be a 2011 season, and a Super Bowl that will be held in that city in February.

Les Carpenter of Yahoo Sports writes that decertification was a failed strategy used by the NFLPA.

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  1. Dukeshire says:

    I’m not sure a lot can be gained football-wise from the team workouts. Although I’d feel better if the ‘Hawks regularly had 25+ guys working out together, if only from a camaraderie standpoint. Even still, like Hasselbeck said, Seattle is a tough place to get to and there are groups of Seahawks getting together around the county working out together, they just aren’t advertising it like the Saints (for example) are.

    It’s interesting to me that several owners have expressed through the media, a desire to get this deal done now. Whether that’s a PR move or a genuine desire on their part I don’t know. But the longer this has dragged out, the less impressed I’ve become with Goodell’s leadership (and I wasn’t a fan long before this) and most definitely D. Smith’s. I’m convinced he won’t negotiate “in good faith” until both Doty and the 8th circuit rule, at the earliest. When a deal has finally been reached both Goodell and Smith ought to be thrown out on their asses, IMO. Anyway…

  2. I was previously in favour of pursuing Kolb, but I have since had a change of heart. I would rather keep our draft picks.

    I don’t understand why anyone would think that the Seahawks are in the market for a tightend….. thats pretty much the only position we don’t need to upgrade. (Carlson, Morrah, McCoy, Byrd and Konz).

    My FA hopes for the offence would be Gallery and one of LeRon McClain or Vonta Leach. I think both McClain and Leach end up staying with their current teams.

  3. Duke,

    How much control over the players & owners does Goodell have? I just don’t know what he can do. That’s why I didn’t get all the “boos” at the draft.

  4. Dukeshire says:

    rgbuckl – I thought the boos at the draft (which I was very happy to hear) weren’t necessarily directed at Goodell personally, but rather rather as an expression of the fans disgust with the whole situation. And as the NFL’s representative he’s got to expect that considering the state of the league, just as he was applauded in previous drafts.

    My personal disappointment in Goodell stems from the fact he has failed to take a leadership role regarding the lockout. He has both the league’s ear, for whom he’s an employee, and the players’. And as the face of the NFL he also has an unparalleled platform through the media, which he has not used effectively to help broker a deal in the 3 years since the league opted out. He could be using his “bully pulpit” as it were, to force the two parties (to whom he has an obligation, albeit in different ways) to genuinely negotiate. He has not. He panders, dances around direct questions and otherwise carries himself in a very passive manor. Now, what goes on behind the scenes may be a different story altogether. But considering the two sides have met only a handful of times in 3 years and the (only) two league proposals have yet to be countered, leads me to believe what we see in public is what we get with him. This could be his finest moment yet is quickly becoming a total and complete failure, IMO. Just as Smith seems comfortable to let the courts sort this mess out, so too does Goodell and I find that shameful.

  5. Champion0445 says:

    Goodell can only do so much when D. Smith and the players basically refuse negotiate. The players are simply waiting things out in the hope that the courts will shoot the league down and the NFL will fall back into the 2010 rules. It is ridiculous that NFLPA has not accepted or countered either of the offers the league has made. I put just as much blame on the players as I put on the league for this lockout.

  6. footballscaa says:

    Wow. I’m really sorry I looked at that 35th anniversary list. Bobby Engram???? And possibly the two least effective corners to have played the game, Trufant and Springs. So sad……..

  7. Dukeshire says:

    The league is content to wait too. But Goodell can (or could have) use his platform to put pressure on the NFLPA to sit down, at the very least. He doesn’t.

    And I can’t blame the players for the lockout on any level. But I do blame them equally for the lack of any legitimate negotiation to resolve it. I agree that it is ridiculous they haven’t counter-offered. A flat decline, twice, without a counter proposal is irresponsible and is a disservice to the players.

  8. Soggybuc says:

    It also could be that Goodell is just stuck in the middle of 2 very hardheaded A*@wipes who wont listen to anything resembling reason. I have a few friends like that and have learned to just stay the hell away from them at times like that.

  9. GeorgiaHawk says:

    footballscaa, I agree. there are some real head scratchers on the 35th anniversary team.
    Also why Carlson over Tice? And why Strong over John L Williams? John L was just as good of a blocker as Strong without the benefit of Hutch and Jones. John L could also run much better than Strong, and catch way better than Strong. And John L had one of the best stiff arms that I have seen. It’s not even close.

    And why are there 12 players on the offensive team instead of 11? And why 13 on defense instead of 11?

    However Young and Porter are deserving of being on that team.

  10. I really think the players are to blame – they don’t seem to realize that they are players, not owners. They do not get to control their conditions of employment (influence yes, control no). The owners have the right to manage their buisnes in a sustainable and profitable fashion – thats their right as owners.

  11. I like John L. Williams over Mack Strong also.

  12. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Perhaps Tice is a stretch over Carlson, however I just can’t believe that the Seahawks have had nothing more than an average T.E. in the last 35 years.

    And how about Joey Galloway? He put up great numbers for the Seahawks while also producing well on returning punts. Sure he played five years, but so did Hutch.

    Bryant? Mawae? Turner? Krieg? Warner? I could go on and on.

  13. Dukeshire says:

    Mack vs John L is a coin flip. John L was more versatile, to be sure. But to say he was as good a blocker, I don’t agree with. Mack helped pave the way for 3 different 1000 yard rushers, and was here before both Jones and Hutch.

    But yes, there are some head scratchers on that list. (I think mostly because a “newer” generation of Seahawk fan, primarily voted.) But Steve Broussard over Bobby Joe Edmonds or Paul Johns? I didn’t get that.

    And the extra players is simply to accommodate both 4 d-linemen, 4-LBs and a nickel package. And 3 WRs and both a RB and FB.

    Fun conversation anyway…

  14. pabuwal says:

    Goodell is a puppet here when it comes to Labor Negotiations- a mere figurehead. The only power he has is to smile as he takes the PR hit. People think he has power because he has power over how the game is played. But when it comes to dollars and cents, the owners act by themselves, solely in their own interest.

    I have recorded from the NFLN the Derrick Thomas 7 sack game from 1990. John L Wiliams didnt even put in an effort trying to block him in allowing 3 or 4 of those sacks. Its still a mystery why Knox stayed with single blocking by either Williams or Heck. That would never happen in todays NFL.

  15. GeorgiaHawk says:


    I like Mack strong, he was as tough as they come. He did have Kendall and Mawae before Hutch and Jones, and some very good running backs too.

    I agree with you about the newer generation of Seahawk fans. Perhaps you can keep posting those great Seahawk retro links like you did earlier to help get the younger fans caught up a bit.

    John Randle, Reggie Mckenzie. I know he only played a year or two, but what a player he was!
    Leon Washington made the team,(IMO),with just one game.

  16. Dukeshire says:

    pabuwal – Tagliabue was a lawyer for the NFL before he became commissioner and yet he managed to avoid any strikes or lockouts while increasing player salaries and benefits to them across the board. No one has been more in bed with the owners as commissioner as he, yet he was able to broker a working relationship with then union boss Gene Upshaw and strengthened the game immeasurably. He didn’t wait for the courts to tell him it was time to do what’s right. Goodell is indeed a puppet, which is to say he is very weak. But do not misunderstand the commissioners office and the power can wield with Goodell’s ineffective leadership. They are not the same.

    GeorgiaHawk – That’s a great idea. I think I will dig up some old school Seahawk videos, stories, background to teach the new fans (if I may be so bold). That’s fun…

  17. GeorgiaHawk says:

    pabuwal- Derrick Thomas was the best pass rusher of his era. I think he also had a six sack game. I am sure John L wasn’t looking forward to blocking against this beast.
    I remember a game that the Seahawks played against the Ravens around 2004- or 2005, when Ray Lewis was throwing Mack Strong around like a rag doll.

    Great linebackers tend to do these things to good fullbacks.

    One thing about that seven sack game that Thomas had on the Seahawks back in 1990,(that I remember most), was that despite all those sacks, Dave Krieg lead our team to victory. What a resilent effort! Dave Krieg, a poor man’s Montana.

  18. Dukeshire says:

    “Dave Krieg, a poor man’s Montana.” Lol. That somehow strangely makes sense. Although, that poor man would have to be, like, depression era poor.

    I remember that game like it was yesterday. It should have been 8 sacks to end it but Krieg slipped away and somehow, inexplicably found Skansi, who was not open BTW, in the end-zone to tie it up at the end. Extra point later… ‘Hawks win. Damn that was a great game. Derrick Thomas was absolutely sick.

  19. GeorgiaHawk says:

    A few months ago I was talking with a mortgage broker,( when we were house hunting in north Georgia), and he mentioned in our conversation that he had to go because his ten year old son was so excited about an upcoming football game.
    I asked him” what was the game”? He said it was the Seahawks vs the Saints. I asked him” why would your ten year old son be so excited about this game”? He said that for some reason his ten year old son has fallen in love with the Seahawks and that’s the only NFL team that he wants to watch.
    I asked him,” how do you think he choose the Seahawks”? He said he didn’t know why his son is so crazy for the Seahawks, and now his son has got his whole family watching them.
    Then I told him that I have been a Seahawk fan since age 15.
    I told him how I had this electric football game that I played with against my friends,however when the Seahawks started playing in their first year there wasn’t Seahawk players available to purchase so I got some paint and painted the Rams players Seahawk colors. It worked out great.
    I am gathering up some Seahawk stuff to give to his son. Gotta keep him a Seahawks fan.

  20. Dukeshire says:

    Awesome! I love that, and you are a good man. Although your story begs a question; why in hell did you schedule a meeting with your broker during a Seahawk playoff game? lol

  21. freedom_X says:

    A sucessful leader will bring about an outcome. We all know peace in the Middle East seems almost impossible, but the person who can help bring that about will be called a great leader.

    The person who throws up their hands and blames one side or the other is just another schmoe who didn’t get anything done. Goodell falls into the schmoe category right now. If he wants the praise when he does something great, he has to take the lumps when he flops. And this is his most important challenge yet.

    Rozelle and Tagliabue weren’t considered PR flacks. They may or may not have been in the owner’s pocket, but they got stuff done.

    If the owners open up their financial books, I’ll shift my support to them. The whole basis of the impass is that the owners want to roll back wages for the players. I totally support that, if the league is hurting financially, and owners can’t make money.

    But there’s no way I’m taking the owner’s word for it. These aren’t public companies with public stock (except for the Packers) and they don’t disclose finances (again except for the Packers.) If Jerry Richardson wants to pay his mistress $1 million a year to be a “PR hostess” for the Panthers, he can. I wouldn’t call something like that a true business expense.

    Remember that the players aren’t asking for more than they got last year – renew last year’s terms and they’ll sign on the dotted line tonight.

  22. chuck_easton says:


    Even the players have admitted the last CBA was heavily in their favor. The owners are saying revenues or up but profits are down. They want to adjust things to the point that they actually show a profit

    They further want the players cut tied to profit and not revenue as it currently is.

    Right now the players get 57 cents of every dollar the league makes. With their 43 cents the owners then have to pay staff, refs stadium fees and such.

    The owners are just saying let’s pay all the bills and then split the profit 50/50. What’s wrong with that?

  23. GeorgiaHawk says:

    The broker lived just a mile from my favorite Mexican Restaurant.(Monterey’s in Woodstock ga, home of the best Texas Magaritas.) IMO. That’s where I watch Seahawk games when they are on the TV. I do alot of business there too, as I sometimes refer to it as the office. It was about an hour before game time, something like 3:30 pm east coast time on saturday the 8th of Jan.
    I ended up not using this broker because he couldn’t lock the rates down lower than 5.25. I ended up going with a local bank at 4.62. Anyways now that I am finally getting around to going through some stuff, I am gathering 12th man flags, A Seahawk rug,and some shirts to give to his son. It’s been a few months now, I hope he is still a fan.

  24. Dukeshire says:

    Lol, very good then…

  25. freedom_X says:

    Chuck, nothing wrong with that at all. Just have the owners open the books to verify it. Even the NBA owners are doing that.

    Show that profits are way down from what they were, and that’s all the evidence I need (it doesn’t even need to be a loss, I certainly believe businesses are entitled to a profit.)

  26. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Now that you have opened my mind up to Seahawks retro,( and we all know how Tez deserves to be in the hall of fame). What about Jacob Geen? How can he not have some consideration? He unofficially has 116 sacks because the league didn’t count sacks as a stat until his 3rd year. That would put him somewhere around 15 alltime.
    Plus he was great at causing turnovers and recovering turnovers. He played long enough so they can’t hold that against him like they do Easley. Green did more in a 14 game season than most lineman did in a 16 game season.

    Perhaps we can petition the HOF committee to remove O.J. Simpson and replace him with Tez,Easley,or green.

  27. The Reverend Charley Young was the best tight end we ever had. The problem with this fan voting thing is way too many johnny come lately fans don’t have a clue about Seahawk history. Dr Dan Dornick saved the ’84 season when the Kingdome Turf wiped out Curt Warner. He also was a fullback. Most of all we have to have a spot for Jack Patera’s best draft pick. Andre Hinds out of Cal in the second round.

  28. Dukeshire says:

    Nice Charle Young reference. Although Andre Hines has to be a joke, right? The same guy that said; “I didn’t like football, it was such a gruff sport. I wasn’t excited by the roughness of the game. I just tried to do what I could do when the Seahawks had an interest in me. It wasn’t enough.”…? He played in 9 games. lol

  29. Why should the owners open their books? Its none of the players business.

    The players are employees – in what other business do employees get to tell ownership to open their books and then negotiate what percentage of profit the owners are allowed? No where, thats where.

  30. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Mabey the players can get creative to make money and go HBO with strong man competitions, or fastest man, or flag football in a cow pasture like I used to do as a kid.

  31. Dukeshire says:

    “Why should the owners open their books?” If an employer is asking it’s employees to work longer (more games) for less money (smaller percentage of the revenue) it’s reasonable to see evidence that it is necessary, IMO. In fact, I believe it’s irresponsible to accept such a deal without such evidence, especially considering that your industry (the NFL) is generating more revenue than any point in league history, by a significantly large margin.

  32. Palerydr says:

    Here is one persons reasons on why the owners should open their books

  33. The players have a right to negotiate contracts for their services, not to control the amount of profit the owners make. They are employees, not owners.

    When employees do not agree with the conditions of employment, they are free to seek employment else where.

  34. 32 team x 66 players x $2M avg salary = $4.25B (-) Let the owners keep the rest of the $9B and LETS PLAY SOME FOOTBALL!

  35. williambryan says:

    The players may not have the “right” to see the owners “books” but they have the right to ask to see them and the right to want to see them and the right to demand to see them. If the owners dont want to show them and the players walk away so be it. They have that right. All of the sudden the owners wont have an NFL anymore and I’m okay with that. I cant stand the greed of the owners. And a part of me would love to see them throw away the NFL because they want another 1 or 2 % slice of the pie.

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