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Morning links: More Gallery talk

Post by Eric Williams on May 20, 2011 at 8:15 am with 53 Comments »
May 20, 2011 8:15 am

It looks like the Seattle Seahawks could have some competition for offensive lineman Robert Gallery in free agency. Tom Curran of writes that he’s heard the Patriots could be interested in Gallery to fill their need for an interior lineman.

However, ESPN’s John Clayton continues to say that Gallery’s best fit is in Seattle, for obvious reasons because of his ties with new Seattle offensive line coach Tom Cable, and the Seahawks’ need for a left guard.

Clare Farnsworth of debates whether Seattle had a better free agent signing than linebacker Chad Brown in the team’s history.

Former Seahawks fullback Mack Strong has one of the six toughest names in the league, according this article on

Russ Lande of the Sporting News provides some interesting evaluations on Kevin Kolb and Matt Flynn.

I think most fans would agree with what New York Jets linebacker Bart Scott had to say about the lockout to ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio, passed on by Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News.

“We’re bordering now on the verge of insanity. Fans don’t want to hear about lockout. They don’t want to hear about people arguing over $9 billion. They want the bottom line. Because at the end of the day, these guys are saving up throughout the entire year to come out and spend their hard earned money to see football. And we’re telling them that they can spend their hard earned money but we’re not playing until we figure it out. I listen to (Patriots owner Robert) Kraft. I don’t agree with the Patriots on a lot of things, but I agree with him that we’re really on the verge of irritating our fan base and damaging the fabric of the game.”

Mike Freeman of CBS Sports reports that the lockout has allowed more time for coaches to take a holistic look at how they do things schematically and how they prepare for the regular season and the playoffs. Freeman uses Atlanta coach Mike Smith as an example.

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  1. RynoGreene says:

    Scott’s got a good point. I used to be a big baseball fan until the ’93 strike happened. After that I was irritated and stopped following the game. I just found other things to do, and never went back. I don’t thing I’ve watched more than a couple of innings of baseball on TV since. Shoot, I didn’t even watch my formerly-beloved-Giant’s World Series run. And I would have cut off my left leg to see that pre-’93.

    Now I’m a much bigger football/Seahawks fan than I ever was for baseball. But at the moment, I’ve dropped cable television to save some money. (Since it was mostly used to watch football.) And if August/September rolls around and there’s still no football, I might keep rolling with Netflix on-demand. And then if the season does start up, I could very easily see myself start missing some games, which I never would have done before.

    The NFL, players and owners, had better be very aware of the risks they are taking here.

  2. That is a bunch of BS! Of course we fans want football.Does anyone see the owners,or players running to help us out.Hell no!They want there cut out of that 9 B. and F everyone else.Both of them!!!

  3. Dukeshire says:

    Bart Scott to me, will forever be the “can’t wait!” guy. The single greatest post game interview / rant I’ve ever seen. It’s a masterpiece. And his quotes here may strike some as pandering, but the fact is he’s 100% right. People do save all year to spend it on the NFL. And as naive as this may sound, the league and players do share a responsibility to the fans to negotiate in good faith (they do not appear to be) and do whatever it takes to reach a new CBA in a timely fashion (they most certainly have not). Of well, in the mean time I can just re-watch something that makes me smile, like this…

  4. I’m not that much of an ardent football fan… though I think I understand it better now than I did as a kid.

    I did watch the hawks back in the late 70’s and early 80’s. I remember when Curt Warner got hurt and they had the awesome season… After graduating high school and working full time, I really stopped watching football… I checked scores periodically, but wasn’t a real fan… (call me apathetic…)

    I actually got interested and started watching again in ’05 primarily because I had this shiny new HD tv and wanted to watch something in High Def… I got hooked because they were wining every game I watched…

    Basically, the NFL and the players think that their “product” is so strong that the fan’s will come back no matter what… They need to make sure they’re paying attention to the fan’s who buy tickets, and are the viewing audience.

    It’d be a damn shame to “win” the battle and lose the war.

  5. Dukeshire says:

    Burleson on KJR this morning said he was down in Arizona for a couple weeks and worked out with some ‘Hawks. Bryant (who he said looked “really good” and was “pretty gassed up” to get back. And apparently told Nate he wanted to become “one of the premiere guys at his position”.) Hill, Mebane, Hasselbeck and “a few of the guys”. For what it’s worth…

  6. Bryant healthy? and practicing with Hill, Mebane, and Hass? Now that’s the best news I’ve heard all off-season! Thanks, Duke.

  7. Mr Williams:
    Can we please have some threads about some football basics, while we’re waiting for the NFLPA & NFL to reach a new CBA? Maybe ask Hasselbeck some questions, like in a WCO when Matt audibled at the line to take advantage of what he saw a defense was giving him, to a 3-step drop and that timed up with the quick out, slant or hitch WR routes, what was he reading in the defense that told him to expect to go with which receiver prior to the snap? Maybe he could post some x & o illustrations to go with it?

    Or, theres several variations in 5-step drops, quick steps, big steps, and normal steps with hitches, etc. When Matt does a 5-step drop back, does he vary his footwork according to the timing of the throw (so that the ball comes out on the 5th balance step at the same time the WR or TE is supposed to break on their route) or does it have more to do with his pass protection time allowed?

    If the new OL is up to giving Matt the time for a 7-step drop, how much separation does he need to see between our receivers and D-backs before he launches the ball? PC is very concerned with turnovers, so does the D-back have to basically fall down before Matt is allowed to throw, or are any of our WRs/TEs good enough to throw to in a crowd?

  8. Interesting LoJac interview in ProFootballFocus about what happened to him in SEA:

  9. If I was DET, I’d be tempted to try and sign Mebane and play a double eagle DL with Brandon at NT and Fairley and Suh on each side at 3-tech. Lotsa bucks at DT, but I’d hate to play offense against them.

  10. Dukeshire says:

    Is there even a NFL team that runs that scheme? It may work for Arizona and Army but not sure a base package of 3 DTs would work in pros. Especially the way offenses are spreading Ds out more and more. Anyway, Detroit needs to sign a cornerback before they invest more money in their D-line.

  11. With enough pressure, even KJ would look as good as Namdi Asamougha (sp?)

  12. Also, Duke – thanks for those websites, they’re great reading!

  13. raymaines says:

    I don’t know who would be any better than Robert Gallery, but 32 and plagued by injuries doesn’t sound encouraging to me.

  14. Dukeshire says:

    klm – No sweat. Although they don’t get into what a QB sees from a defense that may have them audible into another play or check into a different read. I’m looking for a couple different things that may give a decent overview. But no doubt, it would be awesome to have Hass give a “chalkboard” lesson through Eric. I live for that kind of stuff.

  15. Scheme? Suh had 10 sacks at DT. Likely would have more on the edge manned up. Scheme? Wonder brain can selve their product with a tallent like that.

  16. Dukeshire says:

    klm – That was a GREAT interview with Jackson. That is as honest and straightforward as an athlete has been (that I’ve read) in some time. Even when he contradicts himself (referred to himself as a hard worker in Seattle yet admitted to sleeping during meetings. Talks about playing through a serious foot injury yet admits he could have been on the field if they needed him with a sprained ankle). He makes a good point about being told to prepare himself to play LDE then was ultimately asked to play RDE when Kerney went down and his lack of production as a result. Yet he fails to mention he’s now playing next to the best young d-lineman the NFL has seen since Reggie White (IMO) and the effect that had on his success last year.

    He is full of dichotomy but an articulate and very interesting read.

  17. Dukeshire says:

    “Wonder brain can selve their product with a tallent like that.” Huh?

  18. At present DT Red Bryant is playing DE in Seahawks 4-3 under with Mebane. Line Suh up and let him go. Not much thinking required. Straight up he will beat his man. Add a couple more beside him that need doubled and chaos.
    Reggie White began in a 3-4 with Philly and GB but both switched to a 4-3 his second year. LOLB Charles Haley in SF switched to end in Dallas.
    Most successful coordinators will change there system to match outstanding personnel. Wash DC being the exception.

  19. Dukeshire says:

    I guess I’m still confused. Is that in reference to klm “suggesting” Detroit switch to a Double-Eagle defense? In Detroit currently, Cunningham had Suh playing up and down that line; 3-tech, over, 1-tech, even strong side end. It seems like all they do is search of matchups for him to exploit.

    I mean, Suh’s dominance makes everyone around him better, ask Jackson (although he’d likely be offended by the implication.)

  20. “It may work for Arizona and Army but not sure a base package of 3 DTs would work in pros.” ??
    I know you were discussing the double eagle but still…
    Mebane, Cole, Red Bryant are all DT’s making up the base 4-3 under for the Seahawks.

  21. Dukeshire says:

    excile – They’re not all playing DT positions and that’s the point. I’m not sure referring to Bryant as a DT is fair anymore as he’s a DE now. (And it’s clearly his better position.) That is, I’m not one to define a players’ position simply by his size. The Double-Eagle has 3 DTs playing inside the offenses tackles and that’s what klm was talking about.

  22. Dukeshire says:

    To clarify; 3 players playing DT positions, thus designated DTs. Basically one 1 -tech and two 3-tech positions.

  23. However DET plays Fairley and Suh, I wonder how many times opposing QBs end up after a play looking through their helmet’s earhole? Imagine giving opposing offenses no pocket to play in. I sure hope SEA doesn’t lose Bane.

  24. You’ve already made the point I was after. Suh could move out or to an end. Simply put, he is talented and can play anywhere on the defensive line effectively.

    “Desert Swarm” Double Eagle Flex with a DT / half LB. Not likely to be used in the NFL but the concept is a 4-3 with adustments.

  25. Sando has an interesting article on Harbaugh’s roots and what offense they may intend to install after the lockout is over. If they’re gonna let all their receivers do option routes it could take some time for them to get proficient at it, but V.Davis could get awfully hard to cover. SEA could have a good chance in game 1 if their offensive players could just get together long enough to get on the same page with their offensive scheme.

  26. excile – thanx for posting that! Good stuff!

  27. GeorgiaHawk says:

    6-10 will win the NFC west division again!

  28. Dukeshire says:

    excile – Lol, Suh’s freakish athleticism and ability were never in question, or even part of the greater question.

    Side note; Peter Mcloughlin was on KJR yesterday and mentioned that the ‘Hawks will be getting new unis in ’12, when Nike takes over the NFL contract from Reebok. I’ll just say this; if they f**k things up as badly as they did in ’02 when they re-designed their uniforms, I will completely freak out. Either leave them alone or go back to the mid-late ’80s / early ’90s. Don’t screw this up again!

  29. klm008, that really was an astonishing interview with LoJack you posted. It really tells the backstory of the sweat and pain these guys go through, only to have fans talk garbage about them when they play hurt and play poorly.

    LJ: “The first year was due to injury. I had one of the most miserable foot injuries that you can have. I was amazed when [the same injury] was quoted in the book “Born to Run” and the author described it as having an ice pick wedged in your foot. It was an injury where they sat me down and told me there’s nothing we can do about it”

    LJ: “I remember an Eagles game I sprained my ankle really bad and I couldn’t walk. I got it taped up and told the coach I couldn’t play anymore, but if he needed me to go in an emergency situation I would. I remember looking at [an article] and it said, “Jackson gets pulled because of lack of effort”. I’m like… are you serious? I destroyed my ankle…. To hear people say that, it blew my mind. For people to say it was from a lack of effort, I felt off guard and disrespected.”

    Glad to see LoJack is now getting healthy. I don’t think he fit Carroll’s defense in any case, but the guy deserves a better shot than he got in Seattle. Reading that article makes me wonder how many times Chris Spencer or Rob Sims could have said the same things about struggling through injuries game after game only to have some uninformed fans thinking they were soft.

    Notable: I was just listening again to one of the post-draft interviews with Tom Cable. He said that one of the big things he liked about James Carpenter was that Carpenter played most of his Senior season (BCS Championship) with a high ankle sprain and was too tough to let it slow him down.

    What all these guys go through is amazing.

  30. maddog12 says:

    OMG we are back to discussing uniforms…I think we have hit rock bottom.

  31. maddog12 says:

    Duke you have inspired me…Nike’s new uni: Pink speedo that says kick me on the rear end. Black shoes with white knee high socks. Helmut is that lovely lime green with the word screetch on the side. New team motto is loose or screetch either way you won’t like it.

    OK I’ll stop now I think I have made myself sick.

  32. Dukeshire says:

    maddog12 – Sorry that’s beneath you during the lockout. Just trying to keep things alive…

    Stevos – You have to admit though, that Jackson contradicted himself several times. But that aside, yes, these guys are tougher that the vast majority of fans realize. You mentioned Spencer; hell, he busted his right hand and played, snapping with his left, because he wasn’t coming out. (Only later to have Mora completely throw him under the bus.) But there is something about a guy saying “I can’t go. Unless you need me”. Either you can or you cannot. Let’s not forget he did play the next week against Miami. Which can be interpreted as he pulled himself in a blowout against the Eagles or is gutty for coming back the next week. It’s those contradictions that make it hard to get a real sense of him, for me at least.

  33. Dukeshire says:

    maddog12 – “…either way you won’t like it.” lol.

  34. “greateg question” ?

    Nike i’ll make their money making some change. Hate the lime green jersey but most of the stands wear the thing and my bro gave me one as a gift. Has my name on it. UGH. Now it will be out of sorts. No way Nike rides that lime green. You know who started the sheet? 83 branch. POS WR that never backed up notthin.

  35. maddog12 says:

    Duck hope you did no take any offense. Just try to lighten things up. This lock out does suck,

  36. maddog12 says:

    Sorry Duke I am done typing

  37. Dukeshire says:

    maddog12 – No worries. I felt a bit like an ass after I read your uniform suggestion. lol. Yes, this lockout is retarded.

  38. Duke, all that is true. Still, considering having “an ice pick wedged in your foot” or “destroying an ankle” or having the kind of back and shoulder injuries that Chris Spencer played with for years (in addition to the broken hand), I can’t imagine there is a single man writing on this blog that could withstand that pain and show up to even work in an office the next morning and perform well, much less show up for a game against 300 lb NFL linemen. I’m done suggesting that Anybody in the NFL is soft.

    Well, okay, maybe Rick Mirer. But no one else.

  39. new uniforms eh? If the Seahawks go to neon-green uni’s like the sounders, then I’ll have TWO reasons to consider boycotting the season: the lawyers and the uniforms. At this point, only the lawyers can turn my stomach that badly.

  40. Dukeshire says:

    Stevos – In context of the average American man, of course NFL players aren’t soft. I have nothing but admiration and respect for what they do and how they prepare themselves to do it. That’s part of the reason I love the game so much, it’s that ability to put ones body through all they do, and still keep coming back for more. But, in context of that world, there most certainly players that are considered soft. Again, in that world.

    Now, regarding Jackson, I’m not commenting on whether he’s “soft” or not. What I am saying is that it’s hypocritical to say (paraphrase) “I’m one tough SOB and play through excruciating pain” and “coach, I’m going to be over here on the bench unless you really need me.” Or (again, paraphrase) “I’m not getting the credit I deserve for being a hard worker” and “I sleep in team meetings.” Can’t have it both ways, I’m afraid. He “destroyed” his ankle yet was able to go the next week. Considering the dichotomy of his statements and attitude, it’s difficult to know what to make of something like that.

    Regarding the uniforms, it really doesn’t sound like they will be going under much of a overhaul, when you listen to the interview. Because I’m with Stevo when it comes to the Green. Embarrassingly bush league, IMO.

  41. Well in Nike is taking over the uniforms you can pretty much bet they will be UGLY – look at UO or Denver!

  42. SandpointHawk says:

    Nike does not approve the unis, yes they may make design suggestions but the clubs approve the designs and the league must then also approve. Nike makes the approved uniforms and gets to plant their logo on them. If you don’t like the current unis or the puke green versions, blame the Hawks not the vendor.

    But I for one am more than willing to place the blame for the puke green on #83 Branch…. just saying….

  43. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Regardless if Lo- Jack or Spencer was soft or not soft, or injured or not injured, they were never good players!
    A lot of people like myself have played sports without making the big bucks, and have played with many injuries along the way. I do not regret at all having to suffer through multiple injuries when I was young because I loved playing so much.
    I do not feel sorry for any NFL players, Injured or not.

  44. Yeah. They better not f-up those uniforms again. We look like a bunch of idiots in our USFL crap (minus the new and improved logo), but most teams like the Broncos look stupid in theirs, too (and Titans, Eagles, etc.). Keep the logo and go back to the “classic” uniforms that most of us love so much!

    With each passing day, I like baseball more. Sure, I’m just one fan and that’s a problem with the owners… they don’t care about individual fans (although they lie and say they do). If they don’t care about us, why should we care about them? I’m not off the wagon by any means, but they are certainly doing their best to push us away.

  45. Georgia, that’s a classic example of what I’m talking about. Showing zero appreciation for what pro football players go through and zero appreciation for the elite athletic skills that even second-tier players like LoJack and Spencer have. They are not merely good players, they are elite athletes who have out-worked and out-competed dozens of other very good athletes to get to where they are today.

    And its amazing to me that someone who says they’ve played with pain doesn’t have more appreciation for that. I played college ball, Division IAA, and I loved to hit, but I still remember waking up every Sunday morning feeling like I had been run over by a truck! A few years of that and my body has never been the same since. All I’m saying is that most fans have zero appreciation for what that is really like every day and every year through an NFL career.

    To me, anyone who can say that a player who survived a season on an NFL roster is not a good player, or is soft, doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

  46. I just hope they get rid of the blue over blue!!! SOOOOOOO bad! Big slow blueberries!

    I am perfectly good with silver pants again! if they continue to use the green as a small accent then great but not more than that please

  47. GeorgiaHawk says:


    I have much appreciation for what football players have to go through to make it in the NFL. Especially those that excel with limited physical gifts like Largent, Unitas ect…They give up their bodies all the way from grade school through college without making any money, and then the majority of them will not make it to the NFL.

    They were all great high school players and they were all good and great college players, However in the context of playing in the NFL Some are not good players. And that’s no nock on their effort.

    Again, overall I appreciate What NFL players go through, however I have a difficult time feeling sorry for them despite the nagging injuries,( unless it is a severe or life threatening injury).

    These players are living their dream that only us as fans can live through them.
    The worst player on the team will make CEO type money The best will make millions, and most deserve it. However over 80% of them will squander it all away.

  48. Dukeshire says:

    BobbyK – I’m sorry they ever changed their uniforms, aside from small tweaks. I respect teams (uniforms that is…) that have remained virtually unchanged, in the modern era; Raiders, Packers, Bears, Vikings, Cowboys, Steelers, Dolphins, Browns, Colts, Chiefs. (Again to be clear, I don’t like the teams but appreciate the keeping with tradition. :) ). But teams that have gotten mostly praise for their recent uniform changes have seemed to update them by turning the clock back like the Jets, Chargers, Giants. If they’re going to change them, change them by going backward please.

  49. maddog12 says:

    What about our mascot? Should that be upgraded? If so to what?

  50. I find the new Bronco look a vast improvement over the old orange and blue. The league didn’t need another blue team but that’s beside the point. And the change in logo to the head of a Bronco from a D. C’mon, major upgrade.

    The Giants in their red jersey is as awful as the Hawks in neon green IMO. But overall I prefer the Hawk new look over old. Future plans include using the 80’s uni for a throwback putting an end to the green (fingers crossed).

  51. I really like the new logo over the old one. (both ours and Denver’s) Should not go back or change it for awhile.

    for our current uniforms I don’t like the blue over blue, especially the different shades of blue that almost clash with each other. Would LOVE silver pants back!!

    As far as Denver’s I hate the half stripe that makes them all look like they have knock knees.

    The only uniform update that was Significantly better than the old is Tampa bay -

  52. chuck_easton says:

    I saw those fan generated fake uniforms but has there been any site that actually has the real new uniforms?

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