I think media coverage has had a large impact as well. Certainly corporate sponsorship has.

Take care Duke. I’m sick too. I wish the fans had a nuclear option here. But nope, we just get screwed.

LOL, and the only outlet we have is to take it out on each other. Sorry for my part in it.

Cheers.

In any case, I’m done with all this (again, lol) and get back to what I know; football. Thanks for your kind words before. This whole thing makes me sick and perhaps that’s clouded my judgement. I don’t know…

Cheers.

At any rate, that one sentence is not at all the major premise of the original post.

You seem to be speaking in absolutes. My statement that the owners are largely responsible for the NFL today leaves plenty of room for the impact that players, press, fans, and government have had.

You introduced the word “created” into the discussion, not me. If you are going to argue against my point, I think u should start with a point I actually made.

My first reply to ur feedback was that ur arguing against a pointthat I’m not making.

I never said the consumer demand dictated lower pricing. I said that if u were right and consumers created the product, the product would be different. You actually made my point. If the consumer created the product, many products would be different.

You and I have influenced the evolution of the NFL, no doubt. I’m just amazed that you’ve twisted my statement that tge ownership is “largely responsibl” into something that it’s not. My statement is so sime and obvious, I think ur just looking for a reason to argue with me.

I never made either of the two points you credited to me. And I have not changed my premise.

As for consumer demand dictating lower prices at the register… Have you bought gas lately (for example)? That argument just doesn’t hold water. I don’t care to discuss this further as we’re not going to get anywhere. You simply see things in a way I don’t.

If I may say, it seems like you’re so disgusted with the owners that you can’t give them credit for anything, lol. And I’m not saying you’re wrong there.

I wish you were right here. I wish we were in fact in control of the NFL, at least as it pertains to this labor situation. This mess would have been resolved long ago.

Cheers Bro.

You compared my statement to Apple creating the internet, and Safeway creating groceries. Sorry, but that’s a really bad analogy. Me saying the owners are responsible for the NFL is better compared to Apple creating the Macintosh and Safeway’s founder creating safeway. That’s why I replied the way I did.

And Duke, sorry, but the consumer didn’t create the NFL. If we had, tickets would be much cheaper, so would jerseys. NFL network would be freely available over the air, and games would be streamed over the internet. Rookies wouldn’t be getting 8 figure guarantees before playing a single NFL game. Those may be exaggerations, but my point is that the NFL would look much different if the consumer was in control. We didn’t create the NFL, we consume the product. They put out a product that they believe we will pay for.

Consumers didn’t create the iPad, Apple did. Consumers didn’t create the internet either. Consumers didn’t create Macy’s. Or the mall I shop at. Entrepreneurs did.

One last thing … The owners are entrepreneurs. Dictionary. com defines entrepreneur as “someone who undertakes” or “a person who organizes a business venture and assumes risk for it”. Honestly, this is the first time I’ve ever seen you make a point that made little to no sense to me.

“Apple did create the Macintosh. Safeways founder did create Safeway.” This does not resemble anything I said. I would ask that you re-read my post.