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Morning links: Scouting combine primer

Post by Eric Williams on Feb. 23, 2011 at 6:42 am with 50 Comments »
February 23, 2011 6:42 am
Seattle Seahawks receiver Golden Tate at the NFL Scouting Combine last year.

I’m headed to Indianapolis for the NFL Scouting Combine, which beings today, with interviews with the players taking place Thursday through Sunday. So check back here daily throughout the week for reports on what is happening with the Seattle Seahawks in Indianapolis.

My story from today provides a general overview of Seattle’s draft needs heading into this week.

Rob Rang, senior draft analyst for NFLDraftScout.com, provides his top 32 players heading into this week.

It appears that Auburn quarterback Cam Newton will be the Tim Tebow of this year’s draft. He already stated he will fully participate in all of the combine workouts, including the throwing session that top quarterbacks sometimes want to avoid because of the lack of chemistry with new receivers.

However, Newton continues to make noise off the field with some of his comments. According to Peter King of Sports Illustrated, Newton told him that he considers himself not only a football player, but an entertainer and an icon.

Newton also provided this quote to Yahoo Sports columnist Dan Wetzel: “not to sound arrogant but what I did in 1 year others couldn’t do in their entire collegiate careers.”

Newton is going to have to tone down his remarks and just let his physical tools do the talking if he wants a general manager to take a shot at him in the top five.

Still, longtime NFL draft analyst Gil Brandt said he would be shocked if Newton does not go first overall.

Jack Bechta of the National Football Post provides some interesting tidbits on what will be going on behind the scenes from an agents’ perspective in Indianapolis.

Doug Farrar of Sportspressnw.com provides five players that the Seahawks could be taking a look at this week.

More Farrar: He reviews Seattle’s defensive line.

Clare Farnsworth of Seahawks.com provides an update on Seahawks defensive end Red Bryant, who says his knee is doing fine.

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  1. Dukeshire says:

    Have a good trip, Eric. Look forward to all the updates.

    Settle down Cam. An icon? So far, you’re nothing more than a one hit wonder with a checkered past. Talented, but you have a long way to go.

  2. Eric, not sure if you can help, but I especially like the Rob Rang comment about the interviews being significant during the Scouting Combine……. If it were me, I’d feel the same way…. I would guess PC & staff would be very in tune with this aspect of the various candidates…. Is there anything you might clarify for us on what they look for and (here’s the kicker), what they might note in the write-up’s of the various players? How extreme might they be? Surely they already have a listing of those they wish to have contact with before they get there, based on known talents…….

  3. It’ll be interesting to see how C.Newton does on the wonderlic.

  4. I can’t stand players who run off at the mouth like that. Glad we’re not drafting in the top ten this year.

  5. Just take his maturity and divide that by his inflated ego, and you’ll be pretty damn close.

  6. SeahawkFan12 says:

    Cam Newton is a D-Bag. I hope he goes to the Cowboys or Raiders. Perfect fit.

  7. I want Cam Newton to be drafted by AZ or SF.

  8. heyyou_66 says:

    Seattle Seahawks
    Seahawks sign RB Chris Henry for the 2011 season

    From Face book

  9. My SEA Mock Draft #1:
    1-25 (025) DT C.Liuget (6-3/300) 5.12-40, ILL (3-tech)
    2-25 (057) OT M.Cannon (6-5/350) 5.34-40, TCU (RT)
    4-02 (098) DE P.McPhee (6-3/274) 4.76-40, Miss St (LDE)
    5-25 (153) OT L.Ziemba (6-6/317) 5.22-40, Auburn (RG)
    5-26 (154) SS Jeron Johnson (5-10/211) 4.53-40 Boise St (SS)
    6-08 (168) FB C.Clay (6-3/239) 4.67-40 Tulsa (FB)
    7-06 (198) CB D.Torrence (6-0/190) 4.53-40 (RCB)
    7-25 (217) PK A.Henery (6-1/178) 4.87-40 (In case we don’t get Mare back)

  10. That leaves getting SD’s WR V.Jackson in FA. How do we get Luck in ’12?

  11. 0-16 should get you Andrew Luck in ’12. But I don’t think that’s in Mr Happy’s plans.

  12. SandpointHawk says:

    Can’t we just call him Pete?

  13. Yeah, your’e right, its Pete.

    I would think the Hawks need to be all over the top O linemen and D linemen at the combine, since some good ones are going to be there at #25.

    The other guy I’ll be looking for in combine workouts is Christian Ponder. If he hadn’t been injured, he was looking like an early first round prospect. There will be a lot of scrutiny on him this week.

  14. I agree, the Mr. Happy thing is played out. it bugs me for some reason. but again, just my opinion.

    DT or OT in the first round. find the other positions of need in the later rounds…and i also think we need a good FB. I know OL makes the run plays happen but having a killa blocking FB with good hands can make a huge difference as well.

  15. Dukeshire says:

    DFloydd, Stevo, Sandpoint; agreed. Why we can’t call him Carroll / Pete / PC / Coach Carroll / etc… is beyond me.

    klm – With due respect, the fact you posted 40 times prior to the combine and / or pro days, begs the question; where did you get that list? Please…

  16. Some Numbers:
    Scouting combine includes 330 prospects per Eric article… 32 teams have 7 picks (originally) for a total of 224…. So, of the 330 prospects(plus some that have to miss), 224 are to be chosen ..
    We have 8 picks….. This is prob PC’s last year of using his college coaching as a key (close up) ‘advantage’ (beyond any talent in that area, which he has a solid record at, at the college level)….
    We need several key additions/upgrades, most glaring in the OL & DL categories…. just to stay ‘even’ with our competition and hopefully move beyond them….
    A contract with Hass in the next few days would relieve a mjr questionable area… A free agent OG would also accelerate us…..

  17. nighthawk2 says:

    Dukeshire, because BobbyK has decreed he’s Mr. Happy. I know a guy who calls his johnson “Mr. Happy”, so what the hell.

    As long as we get Tyron Smith in the 1st round and Jimmy Smith in the 2nd, I’ll be Mr. Happy. And no, that’s not a johnson reference.

    So when are the compensatory picks announced?

  18. nighthawk2 says:

    BTW, Vincent Jackson was Franchised, so unless we want to trade away our 1st round pick, we won’t be getting him in free agency. Whenever that will be.

  19. Dukeshire says:

    nighthawk2 – lol, I know he did. And the reference has always made me uncomfortable. Lol. Mr. Happy… No children allowed!

  20. CBS Sports has 40 times. CBS gets them from NFLProDraftScout. I think they’re maybe projected 40-times, not sure(?) Be good as benchmarks for looking at potential of guys like Big Walt and what they do at the combine. If a prospect nails one he may move a few spots up in the draft, like doing well in Sr Bowl practices/game.

  21. nighthawk2 – Did MIN FT S.Rice?

  22. ESPN actually came up with the term “Camp Happy” or something like that when he was coaching the Jets in the ’90s due to his nature as a players coach. I don’t know why it always stuck with me, but it did. To me, he’s Mr. Happy. I can see some thinking it’s more Pee Wee Herman related, but it’s not. It means absolutely nothing bad. I’ve got nicknames for buddies (as we all have… granted, I don’t know “Pete”), as I’m sure all of you do. Sometimes you don’t know where they came from, but that’s what you call them. Please skip over my posts if Mr. Happy is offensive. I won’t be offended.

    I’m not putting too much stock in the franchise tag thing until there’s an agreement. I can’t imagine the owners getting everything they want (right now it seems they want everything in these negotiations, in part, for thinking the players got too much last time around). These “franchised” players may not end up “franchised.” There are still plenty of unknowns (too many for my taste).

  23. So if FA is only one week in August couldn’t that be a good thing? It would allow amPC / JS to select the highest player on their board and fill need in later through FA.

    The Vikings Fran tagged LB Greenway. They didn’t bother Trans tagging WR Sidney Rice but may sign to a long term contract soon. I was hoping they would TT Rice to spark debate.

    Looking at Schneiders background he isn’t likely to acquire expensive big name FA’s. Charles Woodson didn’t want to play for the Packers but landed in Green Bay because they were the only team to offer him a contract. CW was recovering from a knee. JS likes to roll the dice on extremely talented players coming back from injury.

  24. Dukeshire says:

    klm008 – It doesn’t matter if a player “nails” one of the projected NFLProDraftScout 40 times. Means nothing to NFL scouts. At its best, the combine either affirms what a player has done throughout his college career, or raises doubts. It’s not anything like performing well at the Sr Bowl, where players are measured purely on performance and actual football. As much fun as the combine is, it has some of the most misunderstood and skewed workouts available.

  25. Just came over the NFLN ticker
    2011 Seahawk Schedule
    Home: AZ, SF, St.L, Philly, DC, AT, Balt, Cincy
    Away: AZ, SF, St.L, Dal, NYG, Chi, Cle, Pitt
    Strength of schedule will be tough looking at this line up.
    Hawks may have a shot at Luck after all.
    AZ is the only sure bet weak team on that schedule

  26. MattandCindy says:

    excile- You must be watching a 2 week old ticker, because the schedule has been out for a minute or two. And, your right, it’s tough.

  27. GeorgiaHawk says:

    It doesn’t matter who came up with this mr. happy crap! It’s juvenile! Let it go. It takes away from anything positive that you have to offer!

  28. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Eric, while you are at the combine can you ask the scouts why they think the safest pick in the 2009 draft has turned into the biggest bust?

  29. Again, if it’s that big of a deal, please don’t ever read anything I have to say. See that it’s “bobbyk” writing, know that it’s possible Mr. Happy will be referenced, and skip it. Again, I won’t care or be offended. Name one person on this blog, youself included, who has never said anything “juvenile.” Many of us have gotten mad about something (especially game days) and said/wrote something beneath ourselves. I simply don’t care about the perception of the Mr. Happy references, just as I don’t care that I call a buddy of mine “Clyde” even before he met his wife (his wife likes to call him Brian). Heck, lady, I don’t care what she wants me to call him… I called him that before he met her so I’m certainly not going to start calling him that at softball tournaments, fantasy drafts, or whatever, just for her sake.

  30. 7. Marcell Dareus, DT/DE, Alabama: Strong, stout and quick, Dareus can play inside and out in any scheme.

    This guy sounds interesting to me!! Maybe the type of thing we need to help fill holes. and prepare multiple fronts/plans/schemes.

    ok I know he wont be available but still

  31. who can we get to trade up and take #25 that will give us a 2012 first that would have a shot at first overall – just thinking!!

  32. Duke – you’re confusing me again.

    I didn’t mean if a prospect ‘nails’ a “projected” 40-time. If a prospect is expected to run a 4.5-40 and runs a 4.4 or a 4.3, he’ll get noticed. He might move up the order a few spots because players are competing, amongst other things, on their athletic ability, no? 40 times may not mean anything to scouts, (?), but somebody’s looking at ‘em, along with bench reps, verts, short shuttles, etc. Otherwise nobody’d show up to the combine except maybe to see the QBs throw.

    Rang was the one who mentioned that player ‘x’ had a bad Sr Bowl & practices, so he moved him down “a few” spots in his rankings. Maybe he had the flu that week, or was having more difficulty than others playing in a position he’d never played before, or his girlfriend just dumped him, or his dog just got run over, or. . .?

  33. Lmao…whay are ppl bent out of shape about “Mr. Happy”?

    I have to agree with BK here, we all say some pretty juvenile things on here…relax…you’ll live longer.

  34. xcman
    Who ya figure’s gonna get the #1 pick in ’12? CAR again? AZ? DEN? Luck would have to pass up his Sr year at Stanford – maybe he’d do the same as Locker? I wonder if PC’d be interested in USC’s Matt Barkley?

  35. I wonder what a draft pick this year would get from another team a few years down the road? If SEA gave it’s ’11 round 1 #25 pick, what could they get in trade in ’12, ’13, ’14?

  36. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I admit that I have posted on more than one occasion a juvenile comment. I just don’t get how I can have any critical thing to say about a past coach or GM and get bashed for it by 5 other posters and then have to accept a persistant demeaning, and or insulting onslaught of our Coach. Makes no sense?

  37. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Dukeshire- If Locker runs a 4.3 something in the 40 it will certainly mean something! At least to Al Davis it will! Lol.

  38. For what it’s worth, I never saw “Mr. Happy” as a demeaning or juvenile term. I suppose it depends on the context, but I think it sort of fits PC’s personality.

    What I really hate are the “Seachickens” and “Seahags” references by other teams’ fans.

  39. Not meant to insult the coach in no way, shape or form. I like him.

    Good point — if Locker runs a 4.3 at the combine, Al Davis will get him at all costs. lol

  40. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I believe you BobbyK. For some reason it has bothered me, perhaps I have been gun shy over all the negative media stuff on PC. Just a little Hawk nest protective.
    Say what you want. Your value to this Blog is far more important to me than a pet name.

  41. Soggybuc says:

    I’m pretty sure Pete Carroll is well aware of the Mr. Happy moniker and given his personality probably finds it quite amusing.

    other the Al davis the 40 really doesnt mean squat. the differance between 4.25 and a 4.45 is minscule. Chris Johnson is fast but what makes him good is his ability to cut, accelerate and make guys miss. by the time he gets to the open field where his speed matters its already to late and you failed! and really making lineman run the 40 is more of a cruel joke than anything. i’m still trying to purge that image of Mt. Cody outta my head.

    The more important drills are cones and shuttles. that where you can get a good sense of a guys ability to change directions and the speed burst he has.

    The bench are less about strength as these guys are all strong. it’s more of a measure of endurance.

    And lastly, i’ll be nice and stop using “that” name for pete. i’ll now only refer to him as Mr. peaceloveandallthathippyshit. =)

  42. Have fun typing that all the time. lol

    :)

  43. chuck_easton says:

    OK,

    Back to something football related. Today is the last day teams can apply Franchise/Transition tags.

    1. Does Seattle use one or both?
    2. Who gets them?

    Discuss amongst yourselves…

  44. Dukeshire says:

    klm008 – Yes, if a player run a 40 time lower than expected, he might make some more money (be selected earlier than he may have otherwise have been). Conversely, a worse than expected time may “cost” him money. I didn’t say 40 times mean nothing to scouts. I said those NFLProDraftScout 40s you referred to, mean nothing. That’s why I said “at it’s best” the combine can confirm what NFL scouts have seen on tape, or it can raise doubts. Clowns like Tod McShay will move players around on his rankings based on the combine results, way more than NFL scouts will.

    It seems that you perhaps, are blurring the line between mock drafts / projections vs what NFL scouts are looking for / at. In my experience, the two have little to do with one another.

  45. BobbyK – You may be rubbing off on the NFL masses. Scoot on down to the 25 Seahawks HERE and have a look at the use of the word happy. NOTE the capitalization :)

  46. Mocks are impossible crossword puzzels, trying to anticipate which team takes which player, and where. They’re an exercise in futility because of too many variables. Yet Rang has been as close as anyone in his predictions. I believe Rang, like many ‘experts’, looks very carefully at both the prospects capabilities and teams needs and arrives at fairly logical solutions, honing them up to the draft start. Scouts, GMs and other pro-personnel admin and staff for each team have their own systems for improving player talent for their teams. Part of it is seeing where other teams may want to move up and acquire players in the draft that fit their needs, and approaching that team with trade scenarios (or predicting which other team will make those trades.) Another possibility is trading players currently under contract as part of a draft day trade. Getting LW blew my mind last draft. If JS can pull off something like that again I’ll (try to) get a Fathead of him for my wall.

  47. Dukeshire says:

    klm – If I’m wrong, please forgive me. But, I question that you wrote (typed) that alone. Nothing about that post feels familiar to anything you have said before. You have posted multiple “opinions” before that were nothing more than previously published opinions that you failed to give credit to (or link the article) until you were called out. Is this another? I suspect yes…

  48. “Mocks are impossible crossword puzzels. . .” (?) Yup I typed that one myself, in response to your post before last. Sometimes I read things and try to repost what was said in posting a response. That one I wasn’t trying to remember anything that I’d read before. But when I do do that in future, I’ll try and be better about finding and posting the links and giving credit, etc.

  49. Dukeshire says:

    Well then, I apologize.

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