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Roster Analysis

Post by Eric Williams on Feb. 15, 2011 at 3:51 pm with 46 Comments »
February 16, 2011 9:49 am

Here’s the first positional roster analysis for 2011 as we head into the combine in just over a week. With rosters expanded to 80 players, this is more of a rough, overall look at roster projections for the upcoming season, with Seattle expected to have 24 free agents whenever the free agent period begins this year.

So we take a first look at what issues the Seahawks will need to address in the next couple months through the draft and free agency.

Also, with the league letting teams know that franchise and transition tags are in play, Brian McIntyre does a nice job projecting what those numbers will be for each position. I suspect that only Brandon Mebane and Olindo Mare will be possibilities for the franchise tag for Seattle.

Check out the full roster in this excel file. And as always, your comments are welcome.

Quarterback
Number kept last season: Three
Currently on roster: Three
Average number kept since 2008: Three
Looking good: Matt Hasselbeck, Charlie Whitehurst,
Longer odds: Nate Davis, J.P. Losman
Comment – I think with the current uncertainty of the CBA and based on how Hasselbeck played in the postseason, it makes sense for the Seahawks to bring back the 35-year-old quarterback on something like a two-year deal. However, if somehow the owners and players get something worked out and free agency takes place sooner instead of later, don’t be surprised if Hasselbeck tests the market to see what his value is. I’m interested to see how Davis fits into the equation at this position and if the team will draft a quarterback early to develop for the future. With the way they are situated now and the many needs at other positions, perhaps it makes sense for Seattle to pass on a quarterback in this year’s draft. I don’t expect the offense to change a whole lot with new offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell, who has a West Coast offense background and likely will use similar verbiage as Jeremy Bates did. Also, the fact that Bevell worked with a veteran quarterback like Brett Favre the past, two seasons helps Seattle if Hasselbeck returns. Bevell should have no problems dealing with the 35-year-old quarterback if he starts to throw the ball to the other team, as Hasselbeck did during stretches of the 2010 season.

Running back
Number kept last season: Four
Currently on roster: Five
Average number kept since 2008: Five
Locks: Justin Forsett, Marshawn Lynch
Looking good: Leon Washington, Michael Robinson
Longer odds: Chris Henry
Comment – Lynch is signed through 2012, but by achieving some minimal-level playing requirements the final year would void, making his contract over at the end of the 2011 season. Forsett’s rookie deal ends in 2011. I think the Cal products still provide a nice, 1-2 punch for Seattle. Washington is an unrestricted free agent, and the Seahawks likely want him back. But he might find a better fit elsewhere with a team that will use his services more on offense. Robinson, also a free agent, appeared to be a nice fit because of his versatility and special teams play. However, the Seahawks might want to get a bigger, more physical fullback like a Lorenzo Neal-type to help clear the way for Lynch in the running game. Overall, this group looks pretty solid and I would be surprised if the Seahawks drafted a running back early.

Wide receiver
Number kept last season: Six
Currently on roster: 9
Average number kept since 2008: 5.7
Locks: Mike Williams, Ben Obomanu, Golden Tate, Deon Butler.
In the hunt: Brandon Stokely, Ruvell Martin
Longer Odds: Dominique Edison, Patrick Williams, Chris Carter, Isaiah Stanback.
Comment – Williams and Obomanu both received 3-year deals and give Seattle a solid, young nucleus heading into the offseason. Now it’s up to the Seahawks to develop third rounder Butler and second-round pick Tate into some explosive playmakers to add some punch to this receiving group. Stokely and Martin are free agents, and both have a chance to return because of their contributions last season. And both Edison and Patrick Williams showed flashes during their time on the scout squad last year that they could develop into contributors in the future. Both possesses explosive speed down the field. It’s unlikely that Seattle uses an early draft pick on a receiver, although they still lack a true No. 1 receiver who can win on the outside on a consistent basis. Maybe Williams develops into that guy, although he still lacks top-end speed as a deep threat.

Tight end
Number kept last season: Four
Currently on roster: Six
Average number kept since 2008: 3.3
Locks: John Carlson, Cameron Morrah
Looking good: Anthony McCoy, Chris Baker
Longer odds: Jameson Konz, Dominique Byrd
Comment – Again, I think this is one of the stronger position groups on the roster. I liked the way Morrah came on in the second half of the season, and I think Carlson looked more comfortable as the regular tight end on the line of scrimmage instead of the H-back or Tiger being used in motion or flexed out. The Seahawks used two-tight end sets more than 40 percent of the time under Jeremy Bates system, so perhaps that changes with new offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell now in the fold. But I think Carlson, Morrah, Baker and McCoy, all under contract through 2011, give Seattle talent and depth at this position, while Konz and Byrd are developmental guys with potential.

Offensive line

Number kept last season: 11
Currently on roster: 15
Average number kept since 2008: 10
Locks: Russell Okung, Max Unger, Tyler Polumbus.
In the hunt: Chris Spencer, Mike Gibson, Sean Locklear, Chris White, Chester Pitts, Breno Giacomini, William Robinson, Ray Willis, Lemuel Jeanpierre.
Longer odds: Stacy Andrews, Paul Fanaika, Caz Piurowski
Comment – With 16 different starting offensive line combinations in two seasons, the main problem with the offensive line has been an inability to develop consistency and cohesion because of all the shuffling up front due to injuries. And with the uncertainty of the CBA negotiations affecting how much time players will get with new offensive line coach Tom Cable, I think it would be wise for Seattle to keep as many of the players from last season that they think can play in Cable’s system to ease that transition. That said, Seattle still needs a talented left guard to pair with Okung and more consistent play at right tackle. Locklear’s play was uneven this season, but part of that had to do with nagging injuries he played through, and I felt he actually played okay in the last game against the Rams and the two playoff games. Locklear is a free agent, along with center Chris Spencer, the only lineman to start in every game this season. At 28 years old, Spencer likely will receive some interest in free agency if Seattle does not decide to bring him back. Unger could slide into center if Spencer leaves. If not, he’ll likely get another shot to start at right guard, competing with Gibson. Pitts and Willis also are free agents who could return to add depth up front. Stacy Andrews is set to earn $5.45 million in base salary next season. Pair that with the fact that he was a healthy scratch at the end of the regular season, and that leads me to believe Seattle has little interest in bringing him back. But maybe Cable will see something that Pete Carroll did not.

Defensive line
Number kept last season: Nine
Currently on roster: 15
Average number kept since 2008: Nine
Locks: Colin Cole, Chris Clemons, Red Bryant, Dexter Davis .
In the hunt: Brandon Mebane, Raheem Brock, Craig Terrill, Kentwan Balmer, Junior Siavii.
Longer odds: Jay Richardson, Derek Walker, A.J. Schable, Amon Gordon, Jay Alford, Barrett Moen.
Comment – Mebane likely will be an unrestricted free agent, depending on what happens with the new CBA. A four-year starter who appears to be a good fit in Seattle’s defense and pairs nicely with Cole, I would suspect that Mebane returns unless he receives a sweeter deal elsewhere. Brock, Richardson, Terrill, Siavii and Gordon also are free agents. Among those, Brock seems the most likely guy to return, although he turns 33 in June. The Seahawks could use a young, dominant pass rusher to develop along with Clemons, and with several talented defensive line prospects expected to go in the first round, they might look to draft someone to help beef up the depth along the defensive line. Losing Bryant to a knee injury against the Raiders proved how important it is to have quality depth at both defensive end positions. The departure of defensive line coach Dan Quinn also will hurt Seattle. However, Todd Wash worked with defensive coordinator Gus Bradley in Tampa Bay and should have a good understanding of how to get this group going after working in a 4-3 system with the Bucs.

Linebackers
Number kept last season: Six
Currently on roster: Eight
Average number kept since 2008: Six
Locks: Lofa Tatupu, Aaron Curry, David Hawthorne,
In the hunt: Will Herring, Leroy Hill, Matt McCoy
Longer odds: Joe Pawelek, Anthony Heygood
Comment – Herring likely will be an unrestricted agent and will receive some attention if he reaches the open market. Herring showed versatility with his ability to play all three linebacker positions, and played a lot during passing situations. The possibility of Herring leaving in free agency opens the door for the return of Hill. The Clemson product has dealt with his share of injuries and off-the-field issues, but when healthy, Hill can still play. The issue is can he get back to his former playing level. Tatupu is another player looking to turn back the clock. He had surgeries on both knees this offseason and is due to make $4.35 million in base salary in 2011. He played a full, 16-game season for the first time in three years and even though he looked step slow last year, he’s got the best instincts of any linebacker on the team and I think he can still play. Curry is due to make a little over $10 million in total compensation in 2011, making it even more important for Carroll to find a role for the Wake Forest product to reach his vast potential. McCoy is a free agent and led Seattle in special teams tackles with 19 during the regular season.

Cornerbacks
Number kept last season: Six
Currently on roster: Eight
Average number kept since 2008: 4.7
Locks: Marcus Trufant, Walter Thurmond
In the hunt:Roy Lewis, Kelly Jennings.
On the bubble: Marcus Brown, Josh Pinkard, Kennard Cox, Brandon Browner.
Comment – Trufant will earn $5.9 million base salary in the fourth year of his six-year deal in 2011. The Tacoma native turned 30 on Christmas day, and has been slowed due to back and head injuries. Trufant has $16 million coming in 2012-13 – that means a restructure is likely coming after next season. Jennings is a free agent, and the Seahawks might be willing to part ways with the Miami product that has struggled matching up with bigger corners. However, NFL-quality corners are hard to find, and the Seahawks may want Jennings around while Thurmond continues to learn the game. Both Brown and Pinkard have flashed potential while on the scout squad during practice. Brown has the size (6-0, 195 pounds) Carroll likes on the outside, and is one of the fastest players on the team, while Pinkard offers versatility to play both outside and inside the slot like Jordan Babineaux. Cox was a key special teams player who blocked a punt during the 2010 season.

Safeties
Number kept last season: Four
Currently on roster: Five
Average number kept since 2008: Four
Locks:Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor
In the hunt: Jordan Babineaux, Lawyer Milloy
Longer odds: James Brindley
Comment – A lot on this group will hinge on whether Milloy comes back for another season. A free agent, if the Tacoma native decides to return, then Seattle likely will look to fill in depth with younger players. However, if Milloy does not return, then expect the team to keep Babineaux around for another season as a versatile defender who gives Seattle some experience in the back end while Chancellor likely assumes Milloy’s role as the starting strong safety.

Specialists
Specialists kept last season: Three
Currently on roster: Three
Average number kept since 2008: 3.3
Locks: (P) Jon Ryan, (LS) Clint Gresham.
Looking good: (K) Olindo Mare
Comment – Ryan is signed through 2015 and Gresham through 2012. Mare was franchised last year at $2.81 million and could be franchised again this season, although at 37 years old he would like a multi-year deal. The projected franchise tag for kickers is $3.26 million, and the transition tag is $2.956 million. Philadelphia kicker David Akers received the transition tag from the Eagles.

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  1. I doubt Julius Jones is a lock with us… or the Saints!

  2. Audible: My bad. It’s been changed.

  3. Soggybuc says:

    Would really love to see Herring retained. he gets lost in the mix a bit but is nothing but solid when he’s in.

    It will be interesting to see what Browner can do (if we have a camp) he was a very good CB in calgary. you can say “yea but…it’s the CFL” wich is true but remember there are some good players up there. could be his time there and all the work and game experience was exactly what he needed to get him ready for a spot on a 53 man roster. the one thing a guy gets in the CFL that a practice squad guy does not is game experience. that and the two headed transaction monster saw something they liked in him.

  4. Dukeshire says:

    Regarding the offensive line; with this particular group, cohesion is vastly overrated. This is not a talented group, overall. They could play together for years and would still be awful. This is why the ‘Hawks shouldn’t be afraid to let most of them walk. Of course Cable would like all the time he can get to work with his men, but this group needs a significant talent upgrade and the more players they re-sign, the longer it will take for the necessary changes to take place.

    As for Matt; as it’s unlikely the union / league will reach a new deal in the next 2 1/2 weeks, I hope Seattle is doing what they can to re-sign him now, should he figure into their near future plans. Of course, as I was asking earlier, the union may not be in favor of FAs re-signing until a new deal is reached, in which case it’s impossible to read into Seattle’s plans at QB should he not be re-signed before the March 4th.

  5. williambryan says:

    I think with Bevell coming in it means Hasselbeck will stay and CW may be on the trade block (or just the chopping block…) I think if bates was still the OC Hass would be gone and CW would be the starter. I would be fine with either option as it relates to the system. I am confident that CW would have lit it up in Bates offense but I am also confident that Hasselbeck will be able to put his mastery of the WCO to work and hopefully with an improved (hopefully completely overhauled, except for okung and spencer) OLine can lead an efficient offense and take the team to the playoffs. I hope the team does not draft a QB high this year and instead finds a way to get some capital to make a move next year for luck. also Ponder reminds me a LOT of Hasselbeck. I think that’s a good thing and would welcome him as a third rounder or later.

  6. Duke – we’ve had that very conversation (can’t make chicken salad out of chicken sh!t). Our OL ***NEEDS*** at least 1 more ***REAL*** player. I might keel over if I’m forced to b!tch about a pathetic offensive line for another year. Hey, it’s “only” been over a half decade that our OL has sucked. I don’t know what I’d do with myself if I couldn’t complain about a worthless OL. And I don’t want to complain about it… and I understand that you can’t always have 5 great players… but there’s NO reason we can’t compile a real LT (have it, now), to go with a real LG, added to a real C (I like Unger). (or a left side that sucks, which means a “real” RT, RG, and C)… NO MATTER WHAT… there should be a side of an OL that’s good. Not the crap we’ve been forced to endure for a half decade.

    I had a huge post written earlier, but just go too mad to post it (deleted it). Much of it is being irate that we suck and the NFL owners and players are being even more greedy than the players, IMO. For the record, I side with the “poor” players over the owners (I’m sure they have a tough time making payroll in the way the NFL has been structured [note sarcasm].

  7. AaronCurryIsBUST says:

    Curry’s salary is a JOKE!!!! That BUST is paid more than DeMarcus Ware who is an ELITE PASS-RUSHING LB!!! CUT HIM NOW!!!

  8. AaronCurryIsBUST says:

    If we let Hill and Herring walk while keeping Curry’s garbage ass I will consider vandalizing a public place

  9. Sarcasticus says:

    In a perfect world, I would like to see Hass re-signed for two years, Mebane brought back, Pouncey and Ponder drafted this year, and Trent Richardson drafted to take Lynch’s spot next year.

    I would also like to see more of Morrah in the game plan next year.

  10. Sarcasticus says:

    In case my early-morning writing was confusing, my hope is that next year the Seahawks have a shot at drafting Trent Richardson to replace Lynch. He is the total package at running back.

  11. Even with Bates gone, I think we will see more two TE sets next year simply because Carlson/Morrah (if the development continues) will be among our better players and you have to find ways to get your best players on the field.

  12. Dukeshire says:

    Richardson is the real deal but I’d be pretty disappointed if Seattle were in a position to draft him. That is, I imagine someone will take him before 21, which hopefully Seattle won’t be doing after the win the West again.

    College Gameday had a piece on his weight room ability early in hte season. If no one caught it…

    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5558288

    Bobby – I think that’s right, especially lining one in the slot. TEs can create such great mis-matches for a defense.

  13. Macabrevity says:

    I have to strongly disagree with this statement in the positional analysis;

    “…. important for Carroll to find a role for the Wake Forest product (Curry) to reach his vast potential.”

    I’m sorry but what is this vast potential people keep speaking of? If it’s just based on draft position, I think we can agree that draft position does not grant a player any extra potential. Curry is the biggest bust at the LB position we’ve ever had. People like to think of Boz as a bust, but he was injured. He could actually play the game when healthy. I haven’t seen anything from Curry to indicate he can play at all. I’d be happy if we cut our losses with this guy, don’t care if we get anything in return either. Addition by subtraction.

    I have a theory about what happened with Curry, just based on some pictures I saw of the guy while playing at Clemson. During his college years, he really looked like a fully grown man, in his late 20’s – maybe 27, 28 years old. If this is true, thanks to maybe his mom holding him back in school, and expertly hiding the fact, then that would explain why he was able to play like a ‘man among boys’ when at Wake… but once in the NFL, he plays like an older player minus the experience.

    Anyway, I’m a big fan of the current Hawks roster. Love guys like Heater, and BMW, lots of great stories on the team. I’ll always be a Hass fan… but other than Chuck Hurshysquirt Whitehurst, I’d say Curry is my least favorite Hawk… maybe of all time.

    Hey, no offense meant to the author here… just have no idea why anyone could see anything resembling potential in the way Curry plays.

    Alright guys, I know how it is on these forums, feel free to slam the new guy if that’s what needs to happen ;)

  14. chuck_easton says:

    Macabrevity,

    You aren’t going to get slammed at all. The problem with Curry is if he was a 4th round draft choice and not the 4th overall player taken in the draft we’d likely be talking about him being a serviceable LB.

    He has not played like the 4th overall pick. He appears to only care about the money which is sad considering all the great things he said on draft day and when he was introduced to Seattle. He doesn’t appear to have two braincells to rub together to get a clue. He’s one of those guys who’s college play just isn’t translating to the pros.

  15. Dukeshire says:

    Lol, no hazing. Welcome. Biggest LB bust? I don’t think there’s any question about that. In fact, he’s quickly becoming (if not already) the biggest bust in team history, regardless of position. The question of potential is an interesting one. Is he really capable of developing to a point where his play matches (or approaches) his physical talent? I’m beginning to think no, which is crazy to say because he is so talented (size, strength, speed) and generally we think of highly talented people as having an equal amount of potential. But if he’s not capable of developing that talent for whatever reason, then we’d have to say he has little potential to become anything more than what he is; a liability on the field.

  16. aldenroche says:

    Butler was a 3rd round pick, not a second.

  17. Dukeshire says:

    Chuck – I’ve made that same argument for Spencer. He’s being measured by is draft position and if he were a mid round pick, the criticisms would subside dramatically. But in Curry’s case, I can’t say that. While he too is being measured against his draft position, he’s played poorly for an undrafted free agent. I don’t see him as even serviceable, at this point.

    BTW, it’s snowing here in Portland, please take to back to Calgary. Thank you.

  18. I don’t think too many people are going to get mad at “Curry is a knucklehead” comments. Sucks too. Unfortunately.

    Move him to Leo and see if he can do anything. I’ve seen too much of him at SAM to want to see anything more. I’d rather drop Cole or Mebane into coverage than Curry (kind of a joke).

  19. Is there really this much non news out of the Vmac?. I’m certain that there are people who have access to Pete and John. Players are around town. What about Cable? It’s easy to get irked this time of year when other teams and players are in the news and the Hawks are as tight lipped as wellllllll they are tight lipped. It gives me the impression that they don’t know what to do.

  20. AaronCurryIsBUST says:

    Curry DOESN’T HAVE VAST POTENTIAL!!!! HE DOESN’T HAVE FREAKISH SIZE HE IS ONLY AVERAGE FOR NFL STANDARDS!!!

  21. wabubba67 says:

    Duke—Knox once used his highest draft pick to select Owen Gill (RB-Iowa), who didn’t make the roster.

  22. Dukeshire says:

    Wow! Great call wabubba, I haven’t thought of him in 20 years. lol. At least he was a second round pick (but their first of the ’85 draft). And really, he was supposed to be insurance for THE Curt Warner in the event his knee wouldn’t let him return. At least Warner was good for a few more 1000+ seasons after that. But still… tremendous call.

  23. Although the offense ranks 29th overall I believe the pieces are in place. All that is needed is a cohesive o’line that has been decimated by injury in recent years. Find our LG whether through FA or the draft allowing a formidable run game and Hass will supply the rest. I’m basing that on the 2006 – 7 seasons.

    The defense ranks 29th overall, 29th against the pass and 17th against the run. Some drastic changes need to be made. Honestly there isn’t a lot to like. Thomas, Clemons, Hawthorne are the only players on that unit not needing an upgrade and I would likely move Hawthorne to the Mike if possible. Oft injured OLB Hill will return needing a starting position.

    BobbyK-except for the author of the piece below many of us would agree that Curry has not lived up to expectations. Cushing, Matthews, Laurinaitis taken later would seem to have been the better choice. But a few days ago while being sarcastic over Hutch you said Julian Peterson had not been an impact player?… JP went to the pro bowl all 3 seasons with the Hawks and the first 2 had 10 sacks followed by 9.5. Those 2 seasons the Hawks went to the playoffs and the first nearly beat the Bears to advance to the NFC Championship. I may have missed your intent.

    SEATTLE
    Moving on Up: OLB Aaron Curry (-9.9 to -0.6)
    Touted as one of the most NFL-ready players to come along in years, Curry was anything but in his rookie season. Employing him as the nose tackle in nickel packages may be more unorthodox than it is productive, and there was a marked decline in Curry’s production rushing the passer in 2010. He added just four combined pressures (22 compared to 18) in 126 more rushes. But he was much better in coverage, and made enormous strides against the run. His issues seem to be predominantly mental (as shown by missed assignments, particularly against fullbacks in heavy packages) so there’s no reason further improvement isn’t possible.
    Had a Bad Year: C Chris Spencer (+1.6 to -9.1)
    Spencer is a prime example of the effect injury can have on performance, as he tried to tough it out despite a broken hand. Spencer’s poor run blocking was acceptable in 2009 because he maintained a good overall performance in pass pro. Unfortunately it was a different story in 2010. His run blocking failed to improve (-3.3 to -5.8) and his pass blocking regressed significantly. From giving up just ten combined pressures (two sacks, one hit and eight pressures) in 2009, that number spiked to 19 in 714 (three sacks, five hits and 11 pressures).
    http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/02/16/2010-movers-and-fallers-nfc-west/

  24. AaronCurryIsBUST says:

    “But he was much better in coverage, and made enormous strides against the run”

    THATS A FILTHY DAMN LIE

  25. wabubba67 says:

    Thanks, Duke. The funny thing is, I was thrilled that year when Seattle drafted him! Though I was only 14, I loved the way Gill ran at Iowa and Knox drafting him only confirmed that impression. If I remember correctly, he was supposed to be drafted in the 1st round that year but somehow slipped to us in the 2nd round. I (along with Knox apparently) thought Gill was going to be a steal….what does anyone really know at 14, though?!?

  26. Dukeshire says:

    Pro Football Focus lost a lot of credibility with their “Curry at NT in nickel packages” comment. He did see time at NT in Bandit and as an inside pass-rusher (DE) in some nickel and dime packages. But their comment is incredibly misleading and quite frankly wrong.

  27. williambryan says:

    i dont have a problem with curry at all. i think if his stats don’t pick up this year then it is time for a drastic contract restructuring but Curry is not even close to one of the things wrong with this team.

    My question (and this is directed towards Eric or Dave Boling, I know duke and/or bobbkyK will think it’s for them ;) is what has Unger done to be considered a lock? He looked like a liability the times that i remember watching him and given a choice between him and Spencer, I would pick Spencer everytime. I just don’t see what he has done to deserve to even be in the conversation to be a starter. If Alex Gibbs didn’t prefer him that should say alot. I’m open to the possibility that he could be a good player, I just haven’t seen it yet adn I don’t see why everyone seems to be so high on him.

  28. excile – no question J.P. was a good player for us. My beef lies in the fact that on the very same day we chose not to match the Hutch contract we gave J.P. a 7 year, $54 million contract. Hutch is better (and still good, whereas J.P. is mostly washed up) and more important to the Seahawks and he signed for $5 million less than we gave J.P. over the same length of years. Me, for one, like to give better players more money and players who aren’t as good/important, less.

    As some have already said, if Curry would be a late round pick, I don’t think many would have as big of a problem with him. But since he’s a $60 million player with a lot guaranteed (i.e. tough to restructure after two years) we all, rightfully, despise his contract based on his “production.” That’s the same with J.P./Hutch and part of the reason I never really liked or embraced him (not his fault, rather my own I’ll admit).

  29. williambryan – Your wish is my command. :)

  30. williambryan says:

    actually, bobbyK, i would like to hear what you and/or duke (and anyone else) think about Unger, But I would really like to hear from the pro’s too.

    On Curry, i think the draft status is everything too. I don’t have a problem with him at all until you say the 4th pick in the draft… then it’s like “really? thats what the 4th pick in the draft gets us?” but i still would rather have curry than Sanchez. i don’t think he is a special (read: super bowl) QB.

  31. williambryan says:

    and when you put the hutchinson situation that way (relating it to what happened with JP) that REALLY makes ruskell look bad.

  32. Williambryan: Unger still has two years signed under his rookie contract (through 2012), so he’s cheap. Further, he was a second round pick who started 16 games his rookie season, so I think the organization would still see potential there, based on his age (24 years old), his contract and his draft status, as long as he comes back healthy after toe surgery ended his season early last year. He also offers versatility, with the ability to play center, guard and even tackle in a pinch.

  33. williambryan says:

    I understand all that. but that doesn’t necessarily mean he has earned a starting spot? I think for the line to be of the caliber a lot of us hope it can be, that would mean Unger as depth and not as a starter. I would rather see Gallery and Gibson starting at gaurd than Unger. I’m sure the best linemen will play though, and if Unger is one of them I guess i would be ok with that.

  34. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I agree with most of what has been said about Curry. He’s one good reason why there needs to be a salary cap on rookies. And he’s a very good reason why I think the combine can sometimes help distort a teams view on a player.
    With that being said, I have even more concern over how Tatupu will perform next year.

  35. I really like Unger, the prospect, at center. Scouts regarded him as a versatile lineman and felt that he was a most natural fit there, too. Unger even stated before the draft that that’s the position he feels most comfortable with (and he performs best at).

    I like Unger the center because he’s a technician. Robbie Tobeck was a technician too. I’m not saying Unger is Tobeck II, but IMO the comparision is valid. Put Tobeck at guard and you’ve got a guy like Unger… someone not powerful enough to effectively man up and get push in the running game, but a damn good pass protector. I think Unger is a smart player too, he just doesn’t have the physical power required in a Cable coached line (but he has the skills to be a good Center in a Cable led line).

  36. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Why is it that so many here get fixed on this mindset that we need a great offensive line to have success?
    Pittsburgh has been to two Superbowls and has won one Superbowl with a o-line comparable to the Seahawks.
    The last thing I want is to have one of the most talented offensive lines in the league at the expense of building a good defense and or acquiring some big play recievers that can actually catch the ball.

    I am happy with the direction that our new coaching staff has gone with the o-line and I expect they will get better.

    But unless we can build somewhere close to a top ten defense it just won’t matter much what we do on the other side.

  37. There are different ways to build a champion. The closest thing the Seahawks have ever had to winning a Super Bowl was with a great offensive line, led by Walt and Hutch. That’s part of the reason people would like to see a good line. The ball control the offense provided allowed our non-top 10 defense to be fresh and attack with playing ahead. Bill Leavy was the only thing that stood in the way of winning XL.

    We have the (almost) Walt part, now it’s time for the Pouncey part (Hutch) and I think people would have happy. You yourself have claimed to want Pouncey. I know I won’t complain if we draft him and then duct tape the right side so we can use other picks on defense.

    Not many teams have a gigantic brute like Rapistburger where defenders bounce off of him with cruddy line play.

    That’s just one way…

    I’m not saying “I’m right.” All I am saying is that my personal blue print includes:

    1. QB
    2. OL (at least a scenario where we have a good LT, LG, C that we can count on in short yardage situations).
    Skill players, defensive linemen, etc. are all part of the package, but I’d build a team with #1/2 as first priority. The only time a defense has literally won a Super Bowl was the Ravens, but most people don’t realize they never faced a good opposing QB that season. Certainly none of them were Pro Bowlers.

  38. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I agree that we had a great left side, However the right side was not great and benefited much by the attention that our left side drew.
    We will probably never see a great LT-LG combo again, however I would gladly take Pouncey if he becomes available.

    My personal blue print is whatever it takes, However I have been around long enough to know that a very good defense will pretty much gaurantee a playoff birth year in and year out. and then if you can develope any kind of good offense with that,then look out!

  39. Kind of like the Bucs; before they got an offensive minded coach like Gruden.

  40. Dukeshire says:

    Personally, I think the Steelers line is underrated. Not only can they run the ball, but if the ‘Hawks had a QB that held the ball as long as Ben does behind this line, he wouldn’t last a month.

    As for Unger being a lock; really, the only “lock” on the line is Okung. But that aside, Unger can be reasonably called a lock, IMO. Not as a starter perhaps, but certainly as a player who will make the final roster. He can play both center and guard and at center he may be a more natural fit than Spencer (whose contract is up and if he doesn’t re-sign, which he may not, he’ll get some attention in FA I would think, Unger’s your camp opening starter). There are only so many positions along the front they can replace in a given off-season so that helps him as well.

  41. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Kind of like the Stealers before they got Rottenberger. Kind of like the bears before they got Cutler. kind of like the Jets before they got Sanchez. And the Packers? Looks like the final four of the no fun league was top defense in 2010.

    And the top offensive teams? Saints, Colts, and Patriots?

  42. GeorgiaHawk says:

    And the number 1 offensive team statisticly speaking- the Chargers? And they are also the number 1 defensive team statisticly speaking? Can anyone here explain how the Chargers did not make the playoffs?

  43. How did the Colts win the Super Bowl with one of the worst run defenses of all time?

    Before we totally throw the Saints under the bus, they did win the Super Bowl just over a year ago with a defense that was good mainly because they got to attack all the time ’cause their offense made life so much easier on them.

    I’d answer the Chargers question with: Norv Turner. He’s a great offensive coordinator who doesn’t deserve to be in charge.

  44. GeorgiaHawk says:

    The Colts won it largely due to Sanders coming back healthy just in time for the playoffs. That changed the Colts defense instantly from one of the worst at stopping the run to one of the best.

    You are right that a very good offense can make life so much better for the defense. Especially when a team can control the game simply by running it over and over like the Seahawks did back in 2004.

    I really think we are headed in the right direction with our 0-line.If Pouncey is still available then yes we take him, however this draft is unusually heavy, (no pun intended),with defensive line prospects. Of the top 50 players taken in this years draft around 21 could be defensive lineman. And remember what Carroll said after last years draft, that the one position he wished they could have addressed better was defensive end.

  45. Macabrevity says:

    Williambryan makes a good point. The draft pick and money used on Curry are what make people hate him. It’s tough to hate a back-up player who’s doing his best, even if it’s not good enough, but when you look at the pick used on Curry, followed by the scrambling to try and find a role where he can be successful, that’s what gets people riled up. It’s tough to hate a guy who lost a step due to age or injury, but when a guy comes in with as much hype as Curry had, (did he hold out too? can’t remember much on that….) signs a huge contract, then proceeds to prove that he just doesn’t know how to play the game.. well, that’s how a player picks up as many anti-fans as Curry has.

    Lots of good stuff here… used to limit my football forum usage to the about forums, but they’re kind of dead as far as Hawk’s stuff goes.

  46. Macabrevity says:

    Duke, good call on Unger. We all want him to be a lock, but he needs some durability before he can start learning the nuances of interior line play in the NFL. Like you said, Unger definitely makes the final roster, but beyond that it’s really tough to say what he’ll develop into for us.

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