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Morning links: Senior Bowl primer

Post by Eric Williams on Jan. 24, 2011 at 8:17 am with 42 Comments »
January 24, 2011 9:00 am

We’ll ramp up our coverage of the draft beginning this week, with a couple reports from the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., from Rob Rang, senior draft analyst from NFLDraftScout.com.

You can watch the first day of practice this afternoon on the NFL Network beginning at 12:30 pacific time. UPDATE: We’ll have our regular Monday Morning QB live chat at 12:30 p.m. today for those watching Senior Bowl practice at this time.

Russ Lande of The Sporting News takes a look at the top prospects who will perform this week.

Take a look at the North roster here. And you can find the South roster here.

Joe Reedy of the Cincinnati Inquirer provides some perspective on the recent news that Carson Palmer has asked to be traded out of Cincinnati. Of course, this fuels speculation of a possible deal to Seattle because of his ties to Pete Carroll. Palmer would likely have to restructure his contract, because he still has four remaining that carries a base of $50 million with $1 roster bonuses in 2012, ’13 and ’14.

He’s also 32 years old and has not had a decent season in four years, playing with a much more talented supporting cast offensively than he would have in Seattle.

Then there’s compensation to consider. The Seahawks are already without a third round pick this season because of the Charlie Whitehurst trade, do they want to give up more picks for another QB? Although he’s three years younger, would Seattle see Palmer as an upgrade to Hasselbeck? I’m not buying it.

Reedy also adds today that Bengals owner Mike Brown says the team has no plans to trade Palmer at this time.

Mike Mayock of the NFL Network ranks the top five players at each position here.

Rob Rang of NFLDraftScout.com provides his top 10 performers from the East-West Shrine game.

It should be a pretty good Super Bowl matchup in two weeks with Green Bay taking on Pittsburgh. Vegas has the Packers as the early favorites, getting 2 ½ points.

Peter King of Sports Illustrated takes a closer look at the game here.

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  1. Dukeshire says:

    I finally got around to watching Carroll’s end of year presser and one thing that really stood out to me (and I was very glad to hear it) was this, in response to a question about where their focus will be to improve this team;

    “We have to make sure we elevate the play of our guys up front, on both sides of the ball.” “That’s a main focus for us.”

    He went on to single out the Raider game, when they were down Mebane then lost Red and Cole during and how badly they responded and that they really never were the same. It can’t happen moving forward.

    I don’t think there’s any way the Packers are favored by 2.5 by kickoff. I’d be shocked if it wasn’t bet down to a pick ‘em, or even Steelers giving a .5. The public does not respect the Steelers.

  2. Duke, I was impressed with the press conference also when I heard it live. That’s why I’ve been mentioning Tom Cable so much here lately. Carroll was pretty clear about his priorities, and Cable is central to those. Pound the rock and stuff the run first, then everything else works. No doubt lots of us here would like to see that kind of change in this team.

  3. Its great that NFL Network will be keeping up draft prospects, including practices for the senior bowl, etc. This makes the offseason so much better.

  4. Dukeshire says:

    No doubt, I’ve grown to love the Sr. Bowl practices. And I respect Mayock so much as a talent evaluator. IMO, he’s one of the best in the business. (I loved last year at the combine, that he kept bitching about all the Tebow coverage the NFL Network was giving “while linemen are going through shuttle drills…”.)

  5. I’ll try and get around to watch the senior bowl practices, but they start pretty late my time, so hopefully they’ll archive them, so I can watch them later on with my HD gamepass. And I completely agree, Mayock is fantastic, loved him as a commentator as well during the Saints game.

  6. Jay Cutler is a punk.

    somebody had to say it.

  7. freedom_X says:

    Though, as it turned out, Cutler actually did tear an MCL in that game. I don’t like Cutler either, but he’s taken a lot of severe beatings in his career.

    We’ll see how many of the dilettante sports talk hosts out there man up and take back their words, or insist they were right.

  8. freedom_X says:

    Palmer is an alternative though if Hasselbeck doesn’t sign with Seattle. How many years does he have left on his contract? If 2 years, then Palmer could also serve as a bridge QB. But Palmer’s injuries have been worse than Hasselbeck’s (elbow and knee, directly affecting throwing and running.)

  9. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “Jay Cutler is a punk.

    somebody had to say it.”

    Only the real punks are saying it!

  10. Dukeshire says:

    Since Cutler was named starter in Denver late in the ’06 season (against the ‘Hawks BTW) he hadn’t missed a start until a concussion sidelined him for one game this season. He really hasn’t taken “a lot of severe beatings” in his career. (Unless one considers fans and the media. lol) The thing with Cutler is that he is so easy to dislike (his body language on the field, the way he carries himself in interviews, etc…) that it’s easy pickings for everyone to call him a puss for not finishing the game, especially after we all saw him riding the bike and standing without even icing his knee. What makes it especially bad is that it was nothing more than a MCL sprain. A sprain! A MCL injury is the least restrictive knee ligament injury one can have (speaking as some one who has had ACL, PCL and MCL tears…). This injury is a pure pain-threshold situation. Jay Cutler is a pussy in my book.

    Here’s what Lovie had to say about it;

    “MCL sprain. That’s what the injury was,” Smith said.”We knew that. We had an idea at the time that that’s what it was, and that’s what we’re saying now.

    “If things had gone our way and we had made it to the Super Bowl, it would have been questionable if he could have gone in.”

    If they made it to the Super Bowl he could have played?!?! Had they won after he bailed on them, have fun announcing to the team he would be the starter.

  11. chuck_easton says:

    Any word if Earl Thomas is going to be added to the pro bowl roster since free safety Collins of GB can’t go?

    I hate the pro bowl anyway but if there isn’t evan one Seahawk in it I definitely won’t watch

  12. Dukeshire says:

    Chuck – Roman Harper replaced Collins. You may remember him from the ‘Hawks / Saints playoff game where Hass went after him with success, time and time again.

  13. I never meant to say that Jay Cutler is a punk because he got injured yesterday. I said he was a punk last week, and I said it last year too. Cutler has always exuded an attitude of “I don’t give a damn and I don’t have to give a damn”. That’s why I think he’s a punk. Just my opinion.

  14. bird_spit says:

    I probably will start sounding like AaronCurryIsABust, but I will repeat it and go away. Curry is not only a bust, but he is the ultimate punk on the hawks side. Or Curry is as bad at the intellectual part of the game as we all have commented on before. Either way, he is a bust, and his contract needs to go away. If they can somehow (highly unlikely) manage to restructure, then we need to keep him. But as is, he needs to be recast into a role that he can be successful. OLB, it is not.

  15. HawkfaninMT says:

    Just reading about Senior Bowl practices…

    Sounds like the Wisconsin Line is kiling it! Surely wouldn’t mind Carimi in the 1st or Moffett (Sp?) in the 2nd…. or both That could be a sweet Right side with Okung and Gallery on the left

  16. freedom_X says:

    The guy played for Vanderbilt, so I’m pretty sure he’s absorbed a lot of beatings in his career. :) Plus he took the 9 sacks in 1 half this year and a concussion. The entire 1st half of this season he was absorbing beatings and hits, until Martz started adjusting to his personnel.

    Cutler is a horse’s patoot, and I like to read negative things about him – but I have never heard him called a pansy until yesterday. How does a person get labeled that after 1 game?

    The Chicago Sun-Times calls it a Grade 2 tear – I’m afraid I’m not up on medical terms. I guess that’s the same as a sprain? But it’s not the most mild one. From what I read on the web, it’s a 3-4 week injury. If a guy has an injury that takes 3+ weeks to heal, is he a wimp for not playing?

    http://www.suntimes.com/sports/3468147-419/knee-cutler-jay-mcl-smith.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUo8cyaiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr

  17. I thought Cutler was a punk before yesterday ever happened.

    bird_spit – we can’t really restructure that bust’s contract because he’s got all that guaranteed money coming to him yet (thanks, Numbskull) I believe. I’d move him to carry Clemons’ jock strap and hope something clicks. I have seen enough of him at SAM to know it’s not going to ‘click’ the way we want it to.

    If we don’t get a QB in the 1st round, I am genuinely hoping that we don’t pick until early in the 2nd round (in hopes of adding legitmate, young talent in the form of draft picks this year or in future years).

    We had the big debate on Chris Spencer yesterday and part of the reason some held him to a higher standard is the fact that he was a #1 pick. I’d rather have an early 2nd rounder so as much isn’t expected from him AND we have more picks (more chances to hit the jackpot).

  18. Dukeshire says:

    freedom_X – I think players will often sit with injuries during the regular season that they could otherwise play with in elimination situations.

    HawkfaninMT – Watching the 90 minutes of Sr Bowl practice NFL Network showed, Carimi and Moffett both looked very good. Carimi would make a nice RT and they slid Moffett to center for work today. Both so solid.

    Ryan Kerrigan DE from Purdue was unblockable at times in one on one.

    Locker had a rough first day missing several throws. A lot of players had day one jitters though, I’m sure.

    The other two players that stood out to me were Vincent Brown (WR SDSU) and Titus Young (WR Boise). Brown made a couple really nice catches, strong hands. And Young looked fast and got by corners regularly. (Both smaller than the ‘Hawks would figure to look at WR, however.)

  19. GeorgiaHawk says:

    It’s funny on one hand some will say” Cutler is a punk! A pussy! Blah blah blah”. And then on the other hand praise Cable? Cable is by far the bigger punk, pussy, loser, jerk or whatever you want to call it in my book!
    The best thing that ever happened to the Seahawks! He will lead our offensive line to new heights! A man of extraordinary magnitude!

  20. Dukeshire says:

    “A man of extraordinary magnitude!” lol. There is sarcasm dripping off my monitor…

  21. GeorgiaHawk says:

    You like that Dukeshire? I stole that one off Kentucky fried movie. lol.

  22. Georgia – As you know, I have been very critical of Cable in his personal life (rap sheet). I think he’ll do a good job in our “program” with respect to being to the football team. I even brought up the point the other day about how people would be critical of him if he had signed on with Arizona or SF. Some players I simply do not like for whatever reason and Cutler to me is a guy I’ve always disliked.

  23. Duke, both receivers you mention resemble Greg Jennings who Schneider hit a home run on with GB. On that note, have the Hawks given up on Golden Tate?

    So close to the ultimate goal of a SB and Cutler sits. I couldn’t but did with a severly sprained ankle crossing first base in city league baseball tourny. Coach took me out. Indeed, a questionable call by the Bears staff. Cutler was playing terrible.

  24. I could see Golden Tate exploding onto the scene next year in a big way. All of the beat reports (like Eric in the chat today that I read through) raved about him in training camp and how he was making play after play. Just because it didn’t translate into big plays on Sundays this past season doesn’t mean the potential still isn’t there or that it can’t in ’11 and, for sure, by ’12. In the limited exposure we saw of him this past year, we can tell he’s got some serious wiggle and things of that nature (big play ability, too). He could definitely be a big play spark plug that we need moving foward with BMW, Obo, and Stokley (I could say Butler but he’s just so slight and doesn’t play as fast as his 40 time). It’s quite possible that a refined Tate may be the missing piece we need on the outside moving forward. With that being said, I sure would feel a lot better about the position if we got a Rice/Jackson who we already know is a legit #1 option so the rest of the pieces could/would fall into place better. I would sign Sidney Rice over any player available in free agency (and that includes the OL available too).

  25. I was rooting against Cutler as much as I was against the Bears. He seems to walk around with a scowl on his face, like a spoiled teenager. Combine that with his complaining, etc…he’s just not the most likable guy.

    If we could drop Matt’s brain into his body, I’d sign Cutler in a second.

  26. “I would sign Sidney Rice over any player available in free agency (and that includes the OL available too”

    Never thought I’d hear that coming from you after five years of lousy OL.

  27. freedom_X says:

    No offense, but making a WR the top priority signing for Seattle is a Dan Synder type move. It’s a flashy signing, getting the frosting before you have a good cake to put it on.

    Arizona had enormous talent and wealth at WR for years, but they were losers because they didn’t have a QB, RB, or OL. (or DL/CB for that matter.) Once they got most of the other pieces, they took off.

    Though a good team has quality at all positions, on offense, WR is the last position I fill, unless I’m getting a once-in-a-lifetime bargain to get one.

  28. I would take Rice over Brandon Marshall or Vincent Jackson as well. FO could have drafted Dez Bryant and picked up FS Atogwe in FA last year. I sure hope BobbyK is right and Tate explodes on the seen as I’ve imagined. Isn’t like Schneider to miss early.

    Hawks need a shut down corner. Given up on Trufant who looked super against backup QB’s in ’07. So whats available. Can’t believe TR passed on Charles Woodson back in ”05 because of a knee or whatever the reason. Schneider sure as heck didn’t with the Packers and CW is back to pro bowl form.

  29. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I can see how some players can just rub you the wrong way. I just really haven’t paid much attention to Cutlers behavior.
    Houshmandzadeh,Owens,Rottenberger,Ocho. I could go on and on.

  30. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I’m still having withdrawls from last weeks playoff defeat. It’s really hard to except that the season is over. That’s the one thing that sucks about the playoffs! One loss and the season is over. At least in the regular season,( unless it’s the last game), we would have the next game to talk about.

  31. Dukeshire says:

    excile – Now that you’ve mentioned it, Brown does remind me a bit of Jennings. Both look bigger (taller) than they are, each kind of long striders. I was surprised Brown is listed at 5’11”.

    Can’t wait for tomorrow’s practice.

    Georgia – I will be using that line soon. Too funny.

  32. “Rottenberger” — I like it.

    Before people get carried away about my 5 year OL man-crush… just b/c I would choose Sidney Rice over any other FA doesn’t mean our OL wouldn’t get drastically better if I were in charge next year.

    Robert Gallery would be on my list to-sign list simply b/c he’s good and the Cable connection. He’s just not as high of a profile guy as Rice, so why would I say I wanted an above average 30-year old LG over a top 5-7 stud Pro Bowl talent WR who is entering/in his prime years?

    Same for Ryan Kalil (although he’s a legit top 5-7 type of Center in the NFL, but a top C won’t go for as much $ as a top flight WR). I’d go after him extremely aggressively.

    And if I were in charge, you know darn well that one of those first two picks would be used on an offensive lineman.

    Make no mistake, the offensive line would get taken care of and would be a top priority and not simply lip service.

    I would say Logan Mankins, but he hasn’t played in the ZBS, and Gallery’s familiarity would be nice with Cable if we didn’t have the money to go hog-wild on two major FA additions (Mankins and Rice). Hey, I’d love Mankins and Rice. I really would! It’s just that Rice is a few years younger too. If their ages were reversed, I’d be more so screaming for Mankins over Rice (and be happy about it b/c I’d rather have a dominant, Pro Bowl OL, LG that we lost when Hutch came to MN).

    LT Okung, LG Gallery, C Kalil, RG Unger, RT 1st or 2nd round draft pick
    That’s not a bad looking line heading into ’11 and with a guy like Sidney Rice on the outside, there’s no way opposing defenses would be able to stack the box against our offensive line (which would actually make life easier on that unit too). That’s one future Pro Bowler (Okung), one young Pro Bowler in his prime (Kalil), an above average/solid LG (Gallery), Unger at RG (probably only solid), and RT as a high pick (1st or 2nd round) with obvious potential/investment.

    Ideally, we’d go QB #1 and RT #2 if that scenario played itself out. We don’t live in a perfect world, I know, but OL would receive significant attention.

  33. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I am a big Washington fan so I am a little biased here when it comes to Huskie players, however as much as I like Locker it is Mason Foster that I am really high on right now! I hope that he is around for our second pick.
    I would hate to see the 49ers pick Locker at #7, But now with Harbaugh as coach it would be a good fit.
    I can’t believe I just said that!

  34. I’m not sure how signing Robert Gallery and drafting a 2nd round right tackle and either signing Ryan Kalil or resigning Chris Spencer isn’t dratically improving our offensive line? Especially with the return of health by Max Unger. And Okung making the rookie year to year #2 jump/improvement. Would anyone be opposed to signing Sidney Rice and making him our biggest off-season acquisition if the offensive line were fixed in the above scenario? I know nobody said the above scenario wouldn’t be appealing, but we can have our cake and eat it too, sometimes.

    Yeah. That damn defense thing. Guess we can’t eat our cake all the time. Sure would be nice if they were okay. I think that scoring points on offense would naturally improve the defense too. As they say, Rome wasn’t built in a day either.

  35. Okay BobbyK,

    I’ve been following your work for years. Say we do as you say…what’s our record next year? Do we have a shot of making it all the way?

    —Paul Allen

  36. If an Asomugha is signed… yes. There would be a chance to go all the way IMO. He can cover anyone 1-on-1 and would free up more creativity on behalf of the defensive staff. And with playing with a lead more often than not (thanks to Gallery, Kalil, rookie RT, improved Okung, healthy Unger and Sidney Rice on the outside) it’s a good recipe for having as good of a chance as almost anyone else.

    This is under the assumption that we don’t lose key pieces to the cog (like Mebane to free agency).

  37. We’re only about 92 days from the draft!

  38. Palerydr says:

    I keep seeing Peyton Mannings name come up as an Unrestricted free agent can anybody confirm this?

    I would certainly talk to Asomughu’s agent and see what they want. I would think a deal in the 10-12 mil a year range with at least 60% guaranteed.

    Need to sign Mebane otherwise you have to replace his production.

    I would also talk to Donte Whitner and Brent Grimes agent’s to see what they are looking for in terms of length and money.

    A secondary of Asomugha, Whitner, Thomas and Grimes would be adequate don’t you think?

    I would offer Hass a 2 year deal and guarantee the first year with playing clauses to guarantee the second.

    I would sign Gallery but I would also resign Sims and Spencer. There are a couple of tackles I would look at Jared Gaither and Davin Joeseph for the right side. I’m with Bobby and a lot of others as I want a pimped out OL to run/pass behind. You do however have to maintain fiscal responsibility which is why I’m looking at the second tier on the OL. I’m counting on coaching/scheme to help us get better there.

  39. Palerydr says:

    In my secondary scenario Trufant would have to restructure his contract or release him. He would probably be able to cover the slot guy in the nickle/dime

  40. bird_spit says:

    Tru would start in over half of the NFL franchises. CB is not our problem, in fact we have quality depth there. I’d look for a DB in the later rounds.

    On D, our line is a mess. We need real depth at tackle, and we already know we need DE depth with the lose of Bryant. Our LB depth is okay-ish going into next year. Though I’d consider a trade for Curry (any takers?). But I doubt any one would bite.

    I would pour majority of my dollars into the offense. Only bigger contracts on D would be made on the DL. We need quality starter on OL, and depth at tackle. The QB is secondary to a good run attack, because any rook QB will need a good run attack the first few years.

  41. bird_spit says:

    BTW – in my opinion Pete understands that the run attack is key to his success here. He recognizes that we need to transition to a new QB. That QB will make or break PC’s NFL run. Doing such a transition is complex, but the key to it is pass pro, and run support. The OL is the key to those, then the new QB will have time to grow into that position. We need to sign/play Hass while we build out the OL and run game.

  42. freedom_X says:

    Even though the Hawks should been in great salary cap shape, no way do I see them bringing in 5+ top-line free agents. Seattle also needs depth, which is supplied by draft picks and lower-level free agents.

    Targeting big names for the holes is a Dan Synder philosophy. In reality, I’d see maybe 2 big names and 1-2 lower level free agents, then a batch a bit above minimum salaries for their experience (enticed by Paul Allen guaranteed bonuses. :) )

    It’s not appreciated by the fans, but for consistent success, it’s the best way for the long term. The Packers and Steelers are built this way. The Jets are the example of the “big name” way, and while they got close this year, it still wasn’t enough. The Packers and Steelers will be still in the running 3 years from now, whereas the Jets? We’ll see how long they’ll be viable as contenders. New England is in between, but I think they lean more towards the GB/Pitt model than the Jet model.

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