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Carroll: Trufant, Carlson suffered serious concussions, will stay in local hospital overnight

Post by Eric Williams on Jan. 16, 2011 at 3:35 pm with 71 Comments »
January 16, 2011 3:35 pm

Although Seattle laid an egg today in the NFC divisional battle against Chicago, Seattle Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll was pleased overall with how his team came together at the end of the season, and believes the Seahawks have set a solid foundation to build upon for next season.

“It took a long time,” Carroll said. “It took a whole season and an offseason of work to get to this point, where these guys are this strongly committed to what we’re doing. And they fight, and they compete, and they do the things that we want this team to do.

“To me, it’s most disappointing because it’s so hard to get here. And it’s not automatic that we’re going to get here again to get this far along. But we’ve learned a lot. We’ve grown a lot.”

“I think the finish of this season is a statement about where we’ve come and how we can move forward,” Carroll went on. “And we’ll look very positively ahead as we go into this offseason coming up.”

Carroll said both tight end John Carlson and cornerback Marcus Trufant are in the hospital with concussions and will stay at a local hospital in Chicago overnight, but indications are that both guys are okay.

“It was a serious concussion on the field for both of those guys,” Carroll said. “And the crews out there handled it really well and did all of the right stuff with safety and all. Both are okay, and it didn’t look to be any injury past just the fact they had a concussion.”

Carroll said the plays, which both happened right in front of the Seahawks’ bench, had an affect on the players, but they understand that you still have to continue on and keep playing.

“It impacts you because you care so much,” Carroll said. “But everybody is a professional and they know they have to go back to work.”

Carroll said the fact that both tight ends were injured (Cameron Morrah was limited because of turf toe), shrunk his team’s playbook, forcing Seattle to run more 4 and 5-wide sets.

That left Seattle at a disadvantage because they did not take linebackers Lance Briggs and Brian Urlacher off the field, so Seattle could never get its run game going.

Marshawn Lynch (shoulder), Justin Forsett (ankle) and Michael Robinson (ribs) also suffered injuries that limited their performance or kept them off the field.

The Seahawks did not blitz nearly as much as they did in the first game, when they finished with six sacks and held Chicago to 0 of 12 on third down.

Carroll said because of Chicago’s more balanced approach offensively, Seattle did not have as many opportunities to use its blitz package.

“All the down and distances were much shorter,” Carroll said. “We had a lot of third and eights and more the last time out. This time it was third and 3,4,5 all the time.

Despite the fact Seattle did not play well, Seattle did have some opportunities to make plays. They dropped at least five passes on offense. Jordan Babineaux dropped an interception that would have saved a Chicago touchdown. Earl Thomas missed on a possible interception that turned into a Kellen Davis touchdown, and Seattle tipped balls on three different occasions defensively but couldn’t come up with the pick.

“We really had chances today,” Carroll said. “And we were going to have to get all of those, I think, the way things were going to keep us in the ball game. But they were available.”

Some tidbits

* Seattle finished with just 34 yards on the ground, with Lynch held to two yards on four carries. It was Seattle’s worst rushing performance since rushing for just 20 yards against Kansas City earlier this season, and Lynch’s worst rushing performance of the season.

* Chicago’s Jay Cutler finished 15 of 28 for 274 yards and two touchdowns. He also ran for two scores, and finished with a 111.3 passer rating. Seattle sacked him three times for a total loss of 13 yards. But most important, Cutler did not throw an interception

* Cutler’s favorite target was tight end Greg Olsen, who finished with three catches for 113 yards, including a 58-yard reception for a score..

* The Bears scored touchdowns on three of their four first drives of the game.

* Matt Hasselbeck finished 26 of 46 for 258 yards and three touchdowns, but a lot of that came in garbage time with the Bears trying a bunch of stuff in anticipation for next weeks’ game against Green Bay.

* Chicago running back Matt Forte was as good as advertised, rushing 25 times for 80 yards and finishing with three catches for 54 yards.

* Seattle finished 3 of 14 on third down offensively, while Chicago was 10 of 18 on third down.

* Seattle’s defense gave up six plays of 20-plus yards to Chicago’s offense.

* Linebacker David Hawthorne once again led Seattle in tackles with nine combined, eight solo.

* Seattle’s offense was forced into four three-and-outs, including three on their first four possessions.

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  1. Dukeshire says:

    Even if Babs hangs on to the pick and Thomas knocks that ball away, it’s awfully difficult to win when you’re 3 of 14 on third down. (TOP was 22 minutes to 38.) That had been an issue all season for this team.

  2. Bears deserved the win, their D was very tough for three quarters, and their offense had a solid first half, putting together those drives.

    I didn’t realize the TE situation was such an issue until after the game – but it obviously had an impact. I knew that if we couldn’t run the ball at all, we would have a tough time winning, and they stacked up the run all game.

    Even though they’re meaningless, those 21 4th quarter points are still good to get – makes the feeling you take into the offense a little less bitter than a 35-10 finish would have.

  3. i dont think the 21pts late were meaningless. get that onside kick and we can tie it up. too little too late maybe but not meaningless.

  4. i agree with you. (just re-read your post a little closer)

  5. Yes. The Bears played good defense. But some of their “stops” early in the game were the result of the WRs shooting our offense in the foot with dropped passes. They are good, but we did more to stop some early drives than they did. In games like this you need players to make some plays. The easy catches and the tough ones. Championships are earned, and we didn’t earn anything today by not making catches. If Stokley would have made that first 3rd down reception, the Bears offense wouldn’t even have been on the field at the time they got their first TD. That’s just one example. The Morrah play was huge too. And the 49 BMW drops (or whatever it was).

  6. “But some of their “stops” early in the game were the result of the WRs shooting our offense in the foot with dropped passes. They are good, but we did more to stop some early drives than they did. In games like this you need players to make some plays. The easy catches and the tough ones. ”

    Yep, not gonna disagree with you there. Receivers need to make plays for their QB in big games like this – esp if they’re not getting open. BMW was especially disappointing today.

  7. Damn – Pats are gonna lose this one. Brady looking very mortal in this game. Huh, I thought they were going to blow them out . . .

  8. “Matt Hasselbeck finished 26 of 46 for 258 yards and three touchdowns, but a lot of that came in garbage time with the Bears trying a bunch of stuff in anticipation for next weeks’ game against Green Bay.”

    If receivers would have caught the damn CATCHABLE balls a lot of those yards would have accumulated when the game was still winnable (and may have ended up in a win).

  9. must read article. Andrew Luck anyone???

    Sad article, yet so true. I know I will get some heat, but we will see next year.

  10. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Has Matt ever had good reliable recieving?

  11. I’m glad there was nothing spinal with respect to the Carlson or Trufant injuries.

  12. The bleacher report article suggests that we can’t get a good player at #25 and uses recent busts taken at that spot, yet conveniently forget to metion that players have been taken at #25 who have been good. Vonte Davis, who has become a very good player at CB for the Dolphins in ’09, was taken there. Hell, in the same draft, Clay Matthews was taken at #26 (so the team at #25 could have taken him). For good measure, the player taken at #29 (Hakeem Nicks) is developing into a very good WR. I also find it funny that the #25 pick in ’08 has already made a Pro Bowl. The #25 pick in ’07 has played in a Pro Bowl too. The #25 pick in ’06 has been named a Super Bowl MVP too. That article was simply written by an ignorant fool.

  13. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Like I said before, the negahawks will be crawling out from under that rock they have been hiding under for the last couple of weeks once we lose a game!
    Suprised that CYRREEN IS ONE OF THEM!

  14. Though a bit dissapointed in the rec’r core overall, mainly because they’re likely our starters next year, regardless who is throwing to them… Hands on the ball…. ya gotta catch it…..
    I’m totally ok with today… Look at what three teams will drop out of the playoffs WITH us! Thanks again PC and coaching staff! Guessing you also
    got some experience out of this season…. THUMBS UP!!! Lots and lots of fun this year………

  15. At the end of the day, we simply need more talent.

    If the CBA allows FAs to become “free” after 4 years… there are going to be some great players available (Sidney Rice, Ryan Kalil, etc.). There’s no guarantee there’s going to be a franchise tag to prevent those players from moving either.

    The next few months are going to be huge in terms of the new CBA which will give us a good idea of what we can do to add more talent to this team.

    This season is over, but the next one has just begun. Go ‘Hawks!

  16. I am not a negahawk, georgiahawk. I simply think, picking at 25th means we are better than the other 24 teams, and we are not. A rebuilding team builds throw draft, and now picking at 25th, it is going to make it harder for us.

    in conclusion, I really did enjoy being in the playoffs and I am disappointed of today’s outcome.

  17. I can sum up our playoff experience in one sentence:

    We won more playoff games this year than both the #1 Seeds combined, and knocked out the Superbowl champions in the process.

    Not bad for a young team that just got overhauled in a rebuilding year!

  18. We’re now a “playoff team”. Say what you will about us, but when trying to lure FAs to Seattle, it’s a big selling point.

    Whatever we “lose” drafting 10-12 spots will be more than made up for by our FO convincing young FAs (like Kalil) to play for us. Players want to sign with up-and-coming teams. It’s a much easier sale now that we can point to a division title and playoff run.

    Now, Carroll and Schneider can say, hey, look at what we accomplished without a single pro-bowl player. We won more playoff games than the two #1 seeds and the returning Superbowl champions combined! Sign here and here.

  19. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Not to mention the valuable playoff experience that our existing players now have.

    Unlike how some feel, we earned that 25th spot and I am proud of our team for not tanking it! CYRREEN!

  20. Glad to hear only concussion for Carlson.
    Not that concussion is a good thing but that fall was scary.
    Heal up Hawks, proud of the run in 10.
    Get ready for the draft OL OL OL(C, G’s and RT) DB,’s, a faster LB that can cover, a speed receiver, a Bruiser FB, and a QB of the future.
    Some Great FA’s out there

  21. michael_shaw says:

    The New Orleans game made it all worthwhile. Losing a high 1st round pick – well just ruminate on Aaron Curry (#4) versus (Clay Mathews (#26). And all of football thought Curry was a safe pick so we cannot be accused of reaching or swimming against the tide on that one. Wonderful season given what our preseason expectations were.

  22. fuzzybear says:

    I see alot of blame going to the receivers but more catchable balls would have helped us. I agree there were drops, but in that cold climate, fingertip catches are very very dificult. Matt was not on target today.

  23. Did we watch the same game? MOST of those drops were PERFECTLY thrown passes. WTF?

  24. GeorgiaHawk says:

    fuzzybear must of had a case of fuzzy vision! Matt was dead on today!

  25. The defense allowed 30+ points in 9 of 12 non-divisional games. Every QB was putting up career numbers. I certainly don’t think the players were historically bad like the performance would indicate.

    How long does Bradley get a pass for this performance? Its not like most of the players on defense were new or rookies.

  26. fuzzybear says:

    You are right Bobby most of the ‘drops’ were well thrown. The near misses were not. 26 for 46 does not equal 20 drops. I did not see a dead on Hasselbrck today.

  27. It’s time for Paul Allen to open the pocketbook and get some legitimate Pro Bowl talent on this roster like Logan Mankins and Nnamdi Asomugha.

    I have been against the Tim Ruskell philosophy of giving aging players big money, but he’d always give that lute to guys who weren’t the best at their positions (yet pay them like it). Mankins and Asomugha can legitimately say they are the best or VERY close to the best at their respective positions. That’s a huge difference. And, IMO, Asomugha is so good that even when he starts losing a step he’s still going to be better than 95% of CBs in the entire league.

    Mankins would combine with Okung to give the Seahawks a legitmate left side to gain 1st downs in short yardage situations and Asomugha would allow the entire defense to play more aggressively, as he’d be able to take a guy one-on-one and take him out of the game. Legitimate star players like those two guys make all of those around them better.

    Mankins would make the QB, RBs, and WRs better b/c the offense would have a legit running game, which opens things up in the passing game, which means there are more in the box so the receivers will have an easier time getting open. Asomugha would make everyone else better on defense (as already stated) too.

    If we could also add a legit big play WR like V-Jack or Sidney Rice, we’d have an offense that would be fun to watch again (and, again, that would actually make the defense better b/c we’d play with a lead much more often and it’s easier to be in attack mode when you’re playing with a lead).

    So close, yet so far away. Where there’s a will, there’s a way. I think Paul Allen is on board for doing his part financially and I’m thankful for an owner like that.

    I can see Mr. Happy going out on the recruiting trail this off-season and bringing in his type of talented players before the draft. This time, in this program, he can give them money over the table. :)

  28. SeahawkFan12 says:

    “I see alot of blame going to the receivers but more catchable balls would have helped us. I agree there were drops, but in that cold climate, fingertip catches are very very dificult. Matt was not on target today.”

    “You are right Bobby most of the ‘drops’ were well thrown. The near misses were not. 26 for 46 does not equal 20 drops. I did not see a dead on Hasselbrck today.”


    Man, it doesn’t take long for THe a$$hole brigade to start slinging barbs at Hasselbeck.

    Matt had pressure ALL DAY, and STILL threw tight passes on target. IF some… NOT ALL…of those passes had been caught, they may have turned the tide of the game.

    It’s called MOMENTUM. No, 26-for-46 does not mean 20 drops but NO QUARTERBACK is going to complete 100% of their passes…ESPECIALLY under pressure and NO running game.

    Get a grip.


  29. Fuzzybear,

    A 68% completion rate for a QB will get him into the Pro-bowl and potentially the HOF at the end of his career.

    If five of those passes that Hass threw perfectly but dropped turned into completions, Hass would have gone 31 / 46, which is 68%.

    Hass played one hell of a game and he was extremely accurate with the ball today. Unfortunately, our WR didn’t show up. Maybe next time they should wear long-sleeves because it appeared that their arms were frozen stiff from the elbow down.

  30. fuzzy – we agree to disagree. I’ll rewatch the game if I feel up to it sometime this week and will have a better statistical ratio of how good Matt was today (catchable balls).

    One incomplete pass that makes him look like he sucks was the ball thrown into the ground to Forsett (the heads-up play where he avoided the sack and intentional grounding). Smart, veteran play that kills stats, but is good for the team (that most people don’t appreciate and will say he sucks for).

    I can think of 1-2 Tate drops, Morrah had a big drop, Stokley did on that first series (had more to do with footing), Obo had a couple, I get sick thinking about how many BMW had…

    I’m guessing, but 35-46 looks pretty damn good if professional receivers do their job.

  31. SeahawkFan12 says:

    Great retort, BobbyK.

  32. Dukeshire says:

    There’s no question this team do not yet have the talent to compete with the league’s best. But the FA route would seem to go against Schneider’s philosophy, aside from stop gap players. They may get one of the big FAs but the core of this rebuild will still likely come through the draft.

    pabuwal – If we’re talking about the secondary, as I think you are (“QB was putting up career numbers.”) I would argue that the players in the secondary are that bad. Trufant has not returned to his pro bowl self and has played at a level far below average, in coverage. Jennings too is an extreme liability in coverage, which has been well documented. Thurmond may develop but he is just a rookie coming of a severe knee injury. Lewis was playing well in the slot before going on IR. Behind them is Cox, Brown and Pinkard. Not deep with talent. In any case, their corners are as weak as any unit on this team, IMO. And Bradley hasn’t gotten a pass. Several people have called him out throughout the season and especially after today.

    As far as not being new or rookies, 13 of the 22 players on D were one or the other. But there is no question from top to bottom, the defense needs help.

  33. SeahawkFan12 says:

    “I’m guessing, but 35-46 looks pretty damn good if professional receivers do their job.”

    And I’m guessoing, but 35-46 looks like a WHOLE different ball game, too.

  34. freedom_X says:

    People are losing sight of the fact this was a rebuilding year. Carroll cleaned house. The talent level on this team is not that high. To go 7-9, not to speak of making the playoffs and winning a playoff game, is far more than anyone realistically should have expected, considering Seattle swept out most of their overpriced deadweight and reset the aging vets to 1 year deals.

    If one were to hand out grades, on paper (going into the season) the LB’s underacheived. The CB’s were probably what I expected them to be (Jennings and Thurmond offered more than expected, which wasn’t a great deal, Trufant much less.) Safeties probably overachieved a bit, but I didn’t expect much from a raw rookie and an aging vet at the end of his career. The D-line was actually much better than I expected (especially with Bryant) but again my expectations were very low.

    So it’s not like Seattle had even average talent out there on defense. It was at best below average, and in fact, Seattle’s biggest problems in the last couple games were blown coverages. The run defense was actually decent to even good. The pass defense had serious lapses due to missed coverages, and I’d have to put a lot of that on the safeties and nickel backs.

    If Seattle had managed to win, you can bet Green Bay would have exploiting the inability of Milloy to cover anymore by being more aggressive sending their tight ends downfield. Give credit to the maligned Martz, he spotted this weakness in Seattle’s D and made the most of it.

    Give the D-coaches credit for getting a couple of good pass-rushing end performances out of nowhere (Clemons and Brock.) If you look at Seattle’s personnel, there are holes everywhere and I think the coaches did a great job to mask them. But if you have only 10 fingers, you can’t plug 20 holes in the dike.

    In truth, though Clemons had a standout year, I don’t think he’s stout enough to be an everydown end. But he gave far more than expected against the run, and was a big plus overall. But I think Seattle needs a more sturdy end (or 2 if Bryant doesn’t come back) to have a more dependable defense.

  35. Calling NIGHTHAWK…

    Where are you???

    Aside from the Matt thing (which we disagree on), I want to hear your end of the year rant. Seriously. You and Duke are the two regulars that I remember from my first year on the blog all those years ago… I enjoy your rants!!! Get back and bitch about this team today because they deserve it and come out with a plan for what needs to be done this off-season!!!

    For everyone else – I’m not joking… I really do like the nighthawk rants even though I don’t agree with them all the time. It may not seem like it, but he’s one of my favorites to read! And that’s in all seriousness!!!

  36. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Dukeshire-I agree that the free agent route seems to go against Schneiders philosophy, however as we all know Carroll has the final say.

  37. I thought Hasselbeck was the only Seahawk who was nearly as good today as he was against the Saints. Everyone else on offense took a step back.

    Williams and Obo got owned in coverage and let the team down. Conditions were bad, footing was bad, ball slippery, but still – both guys looked unprepared.

    The Carlson injury to start the game was a terrible blow to the game plan and morale.

    But bottom line is that we knew the Seahawks didn’t yet have a playoff-caliber roster this year. We knew that. At least they took a big step forward this year toward becoming a better team.

  38. GeorgiaHawk says:

    To the dismay of the,( under the the rock hiding few that only come out when we lose), Matt has earned a two year contract to continue playing for the Seattle Seahawks! So get used to seeing him for awhile!

  39. I remember when the Packers signed about a 30 year old Charles Woodson from the Raiders in free agency some years back.

    Asomugha is the stereotypical Mr. Happy CB. He couldn’t play his CBs the way he wanted to this past season b/c he didn’t have the pieces. Jennings and Trufant aren’t strong enough, Thurmond was too raw (and coming off injury), and that’s why Josh Wilson found himself in Baltimore for a crappy 5th round draft pick.

    The more I think about Mr. Happy’s history as an NFL head coach (from some interviews too), I see Asomugha as a potential fit (with Paul Allen’s money). Mr. Happy has been burned by some guys who thought they were great and didn’t exactly have the “buy-in” mentality (makes me wonder about Curry, Aaron) from earlier in his career and a stand-up guy like Asomugha can be trusted with getting a huge contract b/c he’s that good of a person. I see us making a serious run at him. Asomugha wants to be an actor, which hinders a person playing in Canada, but Mr. Happy is also Mr. Hollywood… We’ll see…

    I don’t see Schneider as a “trade for Brandon Marshall” guy, but it almost happened last year. He has power, I’ll admit, but I think Mr. Happy has more. Either way, the more I think of Asomugha, the more I really want him. He’s so good that I actually view him as a 26 year old in a regular human being body. When that regular hits 30, he won’t be as good. At 30 Asomugha is so damn much better than anyone outside of Revis that even when he declines at 34 he’ll still be better than most CBs in the NFL.

    Albert Lewis. Darrell Greene. Nnamdi Asomugha. Charles Woodson. Rod Woodson. All great CBs at 29-30 who played at Pro Bowl levels at 34. Throw Champ Bailey in there too (even though he’s 32 right now).

  40. Dukeshire says:

    No doubt about Carroll. And if they want to bring in Sidney Rice or Logan Mankins, I’d be glad to pick ‘em up at the airport. lol.

  41. The only thing that sucks about needing a QB in the draft (if our FO deems one worthy of being taken with a #1 pick) is that you can’t address areas like OL or DL with a #1 pick. However, we all know that QB is priority #1 and we cannot ignore this fact, which means we need to improve the team with some FA action. Some. Not hog wild. I do see us making a bit of a splash though.

  42. Duke – I’ll pick-up Sidney Rice in Minnesota, drive him to the airport, and he and I will fly to Seattle, you will pick us up at the airport, and you will drive us to Paul Allen’s house. Screw the middle man! Lets do it!

  43. SeahawkFan12 says:

    QB may be priority #1, but it seems the best options of draftees will likely not be there. If that is hte case, drafting OL and DL with the #1 pick makes more sense. I think we’ll make a splash in FA too.

  44. GeorgiaHawk says:

    No doubt they need to find that stud reciever that will stretch the field!

  45. Dukeshire says:

    That’s true. QB is #1 priority, I would think. This team desperately need a long term solution put in place.

    I have to say that I was envious watching the Jets coverage tonight. Hell, even Tillman today. In the receivers face and, old fashioned bump-and-run with blanket coverage. Brady had no where to go tonight. Thing of beauty.

  46. Dukeshire says:

    Bobby – I’m all about it!

  47. Personally, with the investment in Charlie Whitehurst, I actually could see the team NOT drafting a QB with our first few picks and sticking with Matt. I would expect a QB in the 4th or 5th round though.

    I do NOT agree with this, but I can see it happening.

    If that’s the case, I think we’ll trade down a time or two (the Schneider way, which I agree with 100%).

    Maybe we’ll even try to add a pick or two next year so we can be a player in the Luck sweepstakes in ’12.

  48. Dukeshire says:

    Well, time to turn in all, got to stumble to the tempur. Hell of a season. Some good. Some bad. But this team is on the right track with Carroll and Schneider, IMO. The future is bright.

  49. scottftlc says:

    The Seahawks managed, through thick and thin…mostly thin this year…to make football interesting and entertaining again in Seattle. That’s a damned big improvement and we can just hope it continues to build. I think better things are ahead for this team than what we see today when we look in the rear view window. That old window from 5 years ago was indeed closing and it ended up locked tight the last couple of years. The window has cracked back open again…there’s hope for better years ahead.

    Damned good for a first year from the new staff.

    How about just taking the best impact athlete available when they pick, regardless of position? If you have to target a position then you can’t go wrong with a lineman, offensive or defensive. But defensive backfield and Quarterback and receiver are all positions of need…so I say get the best damned player available, whatever position they play.

  50. I know we need OL and DL, in addition to a QB… but we can’t pass on a QB b/c he’s not the #1 player at his position. If we take a DL, we know that about 5 other DL will be taken before #25 so we’re not exactly getting the cream of the crop there either. We need to be smart. Mr. Happy – Duke Boy — don’t let us down!

  51. scottftlc – you’re right, but I hope like hell that the top rated player on our board is a QB or a lineman (offensive or defensive).

  52. I’m curious how much of a part the frozen field played in the concussions.

    While this goes against decades of traditions, it may be time to ban games in conditions like this; if the home team has an ice/frozen problem it’s their bad for not building a dome (including the Seahawks & Qwest), move the game to the visiting team’s field if it isn’t frozen for safety.

  53. “But if you have only 10 fingers, you can’t plug 20 holes in the dike.”



  54. BobbyK, with all out team needs, I think we will end up happy on draft day, because Schneider can go BPA at any of several positions and fill a big need.
    QB (Locker?)
    OG (Pouncey?)
    OT (Carimi or Solder?)
    How could we not be happy with one of those guys? I think we will.

    Tougher decisions will be whether to spend big $ in FA or not. I don’t think we know how this new FO will play the FA period.

  55. Cornutt, that’s not a bad estimate of the number of holes on this team. :-/

  56. Stevos – IMO, Mr. Happy has more (final) say on draft day than the Duke Boy. But you’re right, we’ll be happy. The thing that sucks is that other teams in our division will be happy too. That’s where Paul Allen has a chance to give this team a boost with legit free agent TALENT (money). I’m not talking about the crap talent that Ruskell would bring in, but real talent (as I’ve already stated). You’re right too, it’s going to be interesting!

  57. So do you guys like the philosophy of building through the draft or through FA better?

    I’m a balance guy, so I’d like to see some of both. But I agree with BK, that it’s okay to drop a mint on a great FA player…as long as he’s one of the top at his position. I’d be all for signing Nnamdi Asomugha.

  58. Why on earth would anyone have rather lost to STL (ending up 6-10) than beating them and then beating NO?

    It doesn’t matter now. We pick 25th, not 8th. But so what? What would have been the difference, anyway? It’s difficult to quantify the actual value outcome of a draft, even 3-4 years afterward. But there is a “Draft Pick Value Chart” that attempts to quantify the opportunity value between draft picks. Almost all, if not all, NFL teams use the chart to quantify values of draft pick swaps, etc.

    The overall 1st pick is valued at 3000 points. The last pick (of a straight 32 picks in 7 rounds = pick #224) is valued at 2 points. The values in between decrease rapidly to start (pick #2 = 2600 points) and slowest at the end (pick #223 = 2.3 points). If you sum the points of all 7 rounds for the #8 pick = 2290 points. The sum of points for the 7 rounds of the #25 pick = 1299 points. The point difference between the two draft slots (picking #8 and #25) is almost equal to the value of the 16th pick of round 1. That is an opportunity cost. Of course we don’t have the 3rd round pick (#8 = 230 points and #25 = 145 points), but we also have one of DEN’s picks (4th?) and some possible comp picks. Can’t quite know the accurate difference yet, but it really doesn’t matter anyhow.

    What did the Hawks gain for that cost? First, another NFCW banner. Second, Hawks get some $ share from NFL for the playoff games (as well as venders made out $ and ticket sales, etc.) Fans got a little longer season from their team this year for their $ and emotional investment. Rookies (and some vets – like Lynch) got to experience postseason play. Possibly, some vets would be willing to play for Hawks that maybe wouldn’t want to if Hawks got swept by STL, even though we’re now known as the “worst” team to ever make the playoffs. What else?

    Hawks need more talent. JS is a Ted Thompson initiate, so he builds thru the draft, and fills-in via FA. Yes, a #16 or 17 pick couldda helped.

  59. It’s not possible to build a team through FA. If you don’t draft starters in the first 3 rounds, you won’t have a good franchise.

    I feel the Hawks had a strong draft with Okung and Thomas, now they just need to build on it.

  60. The draft is the way to go. No question.

    But using free agency wisely is HUGE too. And when you have a team with ZERO legit Pro Bowlers, it is important to add a Mankins and/or Asomugha if you get the chance.

    I have coached some talented teams and some not so talented teams and I can tell you the obvious… you must have talent if you expect to win championships! Duct tape can only get you so far.

    Coaching is extremely important too! Our coaching staff has done a good job the last few weeks, but we got outcoached today. Mainly Gus Bradley (i.e. Mr. Happy) got owned today. Add getting outcoached defensively to the fact that our receivers thought the ball was their enemy and that’s not a good recipe for success. I have been hesitant to throw Bates under the bus this season (I haven’t) b/c I feel bad for him (trying to call a game with one of the most pathetic OLs in the history of the NFL — this last 5-year period has to rank up there with the worst EVER!!! And I don’t care about some crap last 2 weeks “we ran better” junk. Look at the big picture and we suck on the OL. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Even if Bates has only been around for one year of it).

  61. The next time we see the Seattle Seahawks… they will have Max Unger and Red Bryant!!!

  62. Dukeshire says:

    Two years ago people were talking about how outdated the draft value chart is, and now that there is likely to be a rookie salary cap (or something close to it) it becomes less relevant. For me, as long as Aaron Curry can be taken at 4 and Clay Matthews at 26 in the same draft (and countless other examples), I’ll be rooting for wins over draft position every single time.

  63. Colin Cowherd on ESPN Radio noted that every QB who won this weekend had more time in the pocket than the opposing QB. The Seahawks didn’t pressure Cutler much (he had an eternity on some throws), whereas Hass didn’t have much time, until the fourth quarter when the pressure eased.

    Clemons and Brock were good additions, but the Seahawks need an elite pass rusher, one who can bring consistent pressure. They obviously also need to solidify the OL. Really, if Hass has time in the pocket, it doesn’t matter if they have three Stokelys at WR — they’ll move the chains.

    I see next year as another rebuilding year — they may or may not make the playoffs, may or may not win a playoff game — but in 2012, they’ll be legitimate Super Bowl contenders.

  64. Dukeshire: “as long as Aaron Curry can be taken at 4 and Clay Matthews at 26 in the same draft (and countless other examples), I’ll be rooting for wins over draft position every single time.”

    Very true Duke, and I’ve always felt that way too. High draft picks are often overpaid and overrated (Curry is not unique), and every GM and scout knows the draft is a bit of a crap shoot.

    The unique position in the draft, however, is QB. Essentially every QB who scouts see as having any potential whatsoever is taken higher than he should be. When a QB appears to “fall in the draft” it is usually because only the sports writers and fans like them, while the pro scouts always knew they aren’t NFL material. Meanwhile, virtually every QB “rises in the draft” before draft day because QB is the position every team feels they must gamble on until they find that rare talent.

    So, the tough thing about drafted at 25 will be that the 3 or 4 or 5 QBs that Seahawk scouts may be drooling over right now will be gone, all drafted higher than they should be in a sane world.

    Not the worst problem to have, because we know a couple of those “sure thing” QBs will likely be expensive busts (aka Alex Smith). At least the Seahawks won’t have that problem.

    But this changes the offseason strategy for the FO. This pretty much forces Schneider’s hand to solve his QB problem in free agency, and then simply add a somebody in the draft for depth and potential. What does this mean about the first round? Unless a flawed but promising QB like Jake Locker happens to fall to us (not likely) we won’t be drafting that franchise QB this year. To me that’s okay. I wouldn’t mind another stud 10-year starter for our O line.

  65. Dukeshire says:

    I don’t know that this changes their draft strategy only because we have no idea how they intended to address QB prior to making the playoffs. Of course we’d like to think they’d take Andrew Luck if it came to that, but at 8 we’re really not certain they’d be taking a QB, despite what we all might like.

  66. The smart money is to re-sign Matt Hasselbeck ASAP. If you let him get to the open market, his price will go way up. He is still a viable NFL starting QB. Many teams will want him. Draft a QB, let him sit behind an All-Pro, like Aaron Rodgers did, and we will be a better team for it. John Schneider was in Green Bay and watched it happen. I would rather root for a team with a smart, veteran for a couple more years, teaching a young stud, than watching Matt on TV playing for the 49ers, Cardinals, or even the Cleveland Browns, with their Holmgrem puppet Pat Shurmur. Or even worse, watching some high priced rookie run around throwing interceptions and over throwing receivers. With a decent line, and a decent WR corps, Matt is still a better alternative.

  67. Agree about signing Hass, but I wonder how much he would demand. A two-year, $12 million contract sounds right to me, but he could get more on the open market.

  68. The main disappointment to me about losing to the Bears is that TR’s current team beat us :-(. The fact that TR took AC at #4 and Ted Thompson took Clay Matthews @ #26 doesn’t mean the Opportunity to pick at #4 is not better than the Opportunity to pick at #26, and better by the relative number of points given in the draft value chart. The chart’s points could be tweaked a little for year to year variation in quality of players available, but the opportunity value of the pick is still there and it is real, and if used appropriately, can be as important to the rebuilding of a team as the selection of a set of new coaches.

    TR was given glowing commendations for his pro-scouting abilities from back in the 80’s, but he really didn’t seem to have done much here beyond what he was doing in TB. He scouted Tampa-2 type players for our defense, God-knows what for our offense. But he did ask the janitors and cafeteria servers about potential players’ characters. Although JS cleared like 36 out of 53 of them out, we still have many of TR’s picked players left. Does anybody believe these players are the best fits for our new coaches preferred schemes? JS, an adept of TT, still has much work to do, and will try to accomplish it mostly thru the draft.

    When Curry was introduced in recent playoff games, he gave his high school, not Wake Forrest, as his school. Is that because he loves his HS so much, or maybe because he was dissing WF? Is he dissing WF because it explains (to himself, at least) why he isn’t performing in the NFL as well as he did in college? AC was very, very good vs the spread offense at WF, but they left him to play to his instincts. That doesn’t translate so well in the NFL. The Sam still has to read and react, but AC still has much learning to do, and though he doesn’t appear to have any glaring learning disabilities, it’s just seeming to be taking much longer than many of us fans expected from the ’09 #4 pick. Maybe AC isn’t as suited to SEA’s SLB role as CM is in GB’s, or maybe he just hasn’t jumped up onto the NFL stage yet, but he does have the athleticism that once he makes that jump, he will become a franchise player.

    College players are either allowed to rely more on their instincts (AC @ WF?), or they are solidly grounded on the fundamentals of their position and taught how to hone their reads through countless hours of film study and on-field practice (Lofa @ SC). Once players have learned their reads to the point that it is one thing, read-and-react, then their state of mind has to make a quantum change.

    For AC to really “buy-into” PC’s/Bradley’s D, he has to make a simultaneous jump from ‘concrete’ reads to more ‘abstract’ reads and from ‘sequential’ reads to more ‘random’ reads. It’s a degree of cognitive processing needed that allows great LBs to play with a hair trigger. Clay Matthews already came with that junk-yard-dog state of mind, so he’s looking much better, much quicker. But, the more AC works with Lofa, the sooner he will also make that jump, and maybe the better the Hawks will be because AC’s reads may have a better foundation.

  69. Dukeshire says:

    klm008 – Marshawn Lynch gave his high school, not Cal. That has nothing to do with play on the field. Moreover, picking early may indeed give one the opportunity to pick from a larger pool, so to speak. But my point is, that so long as players the caliber of Clay Matthews can be selected 22 spots later than players the caliber of Aaron Curry, there is no excuse to tank games for draft position.

    Sadly, it’s not about instincts vs technique. If it were, he would be making plays, if even occasionally, due to one or the other.

    And this “For AC to really “buy-into” PC’s/Bradley’s D, he has to make a simultaneous jump from ‘concrete’ reads to more ‘abstract’ reads and from ‘sequential’ reads to more ‘random’ reads.” is confusing to me. What does that mean in terms of playing football. How is Lofa going to teach him to play instinctually? My god, if we put Curry’s talent and merged it with Lofa’s instincts (head) we’d have another Ray Lewis. Curry is bad. Both instinctually and technique-wish. And what compounds the issue is that he gives marginal effort on game day.

    And I’d be absolutely stunned to learn that any GM worth his salt, considers an antiquated draft position chart, when selecting a player.

  70. Eric, you really should have more professional insights regarding the seahawks rather than they laid an egg in chicago. Is there really an easier way to put it… not to be too critical, but we all know the seahawks aren’t the best team in the NFL, if you’re going to say the seahawks laid an egg maybe you could be more specific. I thought Hasselbeck played well, I thought brock, clemons and Okung also did well. It seemed to me the biggest thing affecting the seahawks was the bears being overly aggressive, so much so they may have commited multiple penalties on every down, but the refs could only choose the flagerant ones to call their penalties. Also the snow seemed to affect the receivers. Maybe the hawks laid an egg, but more importantly did this season give something to build off and where are we headed from here?

  71. freedom_X says:

    Looking back at it, Curry should have gone to a 3-4 defense. The position he would probably be pretty effective at right now would be 3-4 inside linebacker. He doesn’t have the savvy to be a 4-3 MLB and doesn’t have the instincts (or pass rushing talent) to play OLB. He will only be average there until\unless he learns the position by rote, picks up some pass-rush moves, or the coaching staff crafts a specific role to fit what he can do well at.

    Hard to figure how the guy could look like everything he was advertised to be the 1st 5 weeks of his rookie year, then go into reverse after that. I’d like to see an analysis of that.

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