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Bears 35, Seahawks 24– end of the season reaction thread

Post by Ryan Divish on Jan. 16, 2011 at 1:25 pm with 59 Comments »
January 16, 2011 1:29 pm
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Well, I think we all expected more from this team today. That’s the tough part about football. There’s so much build up during the week to a game, so when the team comes out and under-performs it seems to be so disheartening and frustrating.

Clearly the Seahawks looked nothing like the team we saw last week. The season comes to an end. But it hasn’t been dull. And it is an improvement over last season.

Sure there were doubters and haters, but in the end the feeling of last week made it all seem worth it. And that’s what sports can do.

1. What surprised/disappointed you most about the Seahawks performance today?

2. Who gets your MVP? How about your LVP?

3. Obviously one of the biggest questions concerning the upcoming offseason will be whether or not they should bring back Matt Hasselbeck, what are your thoughts.

4. Who should not be back next year for the Seahawks? Who should definitely be brought back?

5. It was such an up and down season, but what are your thoughts looking back? Would you have traded the past few weeks for a higher draft pick?

6. Since we can’t stop talking draft on here, what position should the Hawks target with their first round pick?

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  1. I think it has become clear that you need to bring Matt back for at least another year, even if you’re drafting a QB for the future.

    All in all, too many missed chances today. Both our D and O lines got manhandled, as well.

    And are we sure we gave the right WR the extension?

  2. Props to the Bears, they took advantages of our lousy play. Matt was practically the only one who showed up today, and aside from a few passes, he put the ball where it needed to be, he should be resigned as soon as possible because he’s still got it, he showed that in the playoffs. LVP? Most of the defense, but the receiving core as well. I think we need to take a looooong hard look at the secondary and the O-line, the linebackers + depth at D-line, so yeah, a lot of hard work, but I would have to think we should target a corner back or a Guard/RT with the first pick.

    And no, I would not have traded this playoff experience for a higher draft pick, it was important for the younger guys to get this experience, to go to the playoffs and even win one, all I wanted was a little more out of everybody here today.

  3. Also: The Seattle Seahawks are like a box of chocolates, you never know what your gonna get.

  4. 1. The fact that our receivers sucked that badly.

    2A. MVP – Matt. He was the only player who played a good game.
    2B. LVP – Again, the receivers in general.

    3. Bring him back. But address the position with a youngster in the first couple of rounds in the draft (if we like one). Don’t let the fact that he played well the last two weeks make you forget that he’s 35 years old. This is the one position you can’t be without so let Matt have the keys for a few more years but have your future guy ready (I don’t believe it’s Charlie).

    4. I’d love to bring back Mebane and Leon. I don’t think we can afford to lose talent and we definitely need to add to it too. I would bring almost anyone back at the right price. We have some starters that I wouldn’t have a problem with if they were depth. I don’t see it playing out that way though. Good-bye, Lock.

    5. You play to win the game. You don’t play to lose so you can get a better draft pick that could turn out to be a bust at #4 overall. You know who/what I’m talking about.

    6. QB, OL, or DL.

  5. I know Ocho, seemed pretty obvious that Stokely was the best WR we had today – BMW (despite the 2 short TD’s) came up really small today I thought.

    Yeah, another year for Matt, draft an O-lineman in the 1st round, and a CB (or QB prospect) in the 2nd.

    Would always be nice to sign a big-name free agent like Mankins, Asomogha, that just move you another step forward – but I somehow doubt we’ll be players in that race.

    The win over N.O. left no question that this season has been an improvement over last year — we’ve got some nice pieces on D (Clemons, Mebane, Red, Cole, Hawthorne, Earl), and at least some hope at the skill position on O – but still the question at QB.

    Fun year, made interesting by the lousiness of the NFC West.

  6. 1. No pressure at all on Cutler. I thought we’d be able to get to him more. He was waaay too comfortable.

    2. Both lines won it for the Bears. Our recievers choked badly…they gte LVP as a unit.

    3. No brainer, Hass should come back. I’ll be very dissapointed if he’s not back.

    4. Curry and Babs were both real bad today.

    5. Stressful season. But overall, a huge success…expectations were sooo low. Hell no, this was waaay better than higher draft picks! Is anyone still wishing we had higher draft picks? Pft…please. Playoffs baby.

    6. I think a QB if there is a quality one at our pick. Let Hass run it for another year or two and then pass the torch.

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/#ixzz1BEhcOa2d

  7. GriffinNW says:

    Matt’s O-face, nice!

    Bring back Matt.
    Overhaul this defense (keep a few guys but that’s about it)
    Find some upgrade at OL.

    Good run. Now we pick at 25. Got a lot of work to do.

  8. Oops, copy and paste fail on my part.

  9. To be honest, Hawthorne is the only linebacker making plays for us. I don’t know how much the knee/concussion bothered Lofa this week (knee most of the season) but he’s not as good anymore, sure you talked about it in the chat. Curry is just, wow, I wasn’t cheering when we picked him, thought other options were better, but at the moment, he wasn’t worth a 1st round pick, let alone #4 overall. Will Leroy Hill be back? At this point I’d rather see Hill or Herring in there instead of Curry.

  10. “To be honest, Hawthorne is the only linebacker making plays for us. I don’t know how much the knee/concussion bothered Lofa this week (knee most of the season) but he’s not as good anymore, sure you talked about it in the chat. Curry is just, wow,”

    Yeah, I agree. Lofa is not what he was. I don’t think Curry is as terrible as some here – but he’s not the pass rusher playmaker I had hoped he’d become.

    Another guy to put on the re-sign list is Brock – he played great the past several games.

  11. grizindabox24 says:

    1.Play of the receivers and the failure to put pressure on Cutler.

    2. MVP=Hass, LVP=receivers

    3. Matt should be back and starting game 1.

    4. Do not think it is as easy as who should not be back. Depends on who you can find to make the team better, and some contracts make it hard to move some guys. But I do believe that very few should feel they are a roster lock.

    5. The Saints win was huge and well worth it. As for draft position, the Hawks need so much that they will find a guy at 25 that will step right in.

    6. OL, DL, CB

  12. Lets see what happens with Lofa this off-season with his knee before we write him off. He’s obviously been playing with pain (i.e. hurt) and not at 100%. He wouldn’t be missing so many practices (well over the veteran maintenance program) if something bigger wasn’t wrong with him. If he can get back to 100% this off-season, it’s utterly stupid to get rid of him. Sure, we can put Heater at MLB, but then who are we going to put at WILL? If Lofa played today at 100% then I would be on board as saying the Heater era at MLB needs to begin. However, I think there’s more to this story that some fail to understand or are willing to consider.

  13. I’m not as down on Curry as others, but he just seem so average. He doesn’t cover, and he miss a bunch of tackles, he looked better when Big Red was in there, those two teaming up against the run worked, but in other aspects of the game, he is not that great.

    I’m quite comfortable with out starters at D-line, but they need depth at every position on there, especially defensive tackle.

  14. If getting to the divisional playoffs is how we do in the first year of a rebuild, I look forward to next year. Sign Matt for 2 more years and have him continue to compete for the job. If Charlie or anyone else out performs him they will get the nod. Get more help on the O and D lines, develop Thurmond and Kam in the secondary, build the talent base through FA and the draft.

    With all the bad play this year, I am still optimistic that the team is improving. Pete and JS will continue to build the team with players that fit what they want to do. The culture of the Seahawks is so much better. I think our home dominance will return, now we have to figure out how to win on the road.

    I want to see GB take out NE in a well fought SB

  15. Dukeshire says:

    1. All the dropped balls by the receivers and the lack of pressure on Cutler. Very passive scheme on defense, I felt.

    2. Matt played well, overall. BMW’s inability to beat man-press and his 4 drops were very disappointing.

    3. I think they bring him back. I can envision a two year deal.

    4. I’ll limit this list to starters. Defense: Aaron Curry. (I’d list Balmer but he’s only starting due to Red’s injury.) He is a liability in both play and effort. I have not seen any improvement in two seasons. He cripples the strong side run defense and does not cover worth a damn either TEs or RBs. Either by cut or trade, he needs to be replaced.

    Keep Mebane and Brock. Both have played well, and if not great are serviceable and important contributors and will help transition to better players as more glaring needs are addressed this offseason.

    Offense; I can’t say there is one person who needs to be gone (I can hear the anti-Hass crowd groaning). But every position aside from LT is open and up for grabs.

    Re-sign Washington. A Priority.

    5. Not in a million years.

    6. There are so many. Obviously, a permanent answer to QB needs to be addressed. Both lines need significant upgrades. The secondary is awful and needs a true playmaking corner. A genuine #1 receiver is needed. If we learned one thing today, it’s that BMW is not that guy, even if he has an important role on the team moving forward. LB needs to be addressed. Curry is a total bust and Lofa is nearing the end, I’m afraid.

    I would say, aside from FS, LT, RB, TE, Will, pick a position.

  16. You guys figure Chancellor starts at SS next year? Hard to think Milloy has another year as a starter left in him.

    Big mistake by Earl on the TD throw; but I loved how he played against N.O., so quick to the ball all over the field.

    I think we need an upgrade at the CB positions, and would be nice to add a LB, but I think otherwise, our offense needs more attention this off-season.

  17. Btw…thoughts go out to Carlson and Trufant. Hoping for speedy recoveries there.

  18. SeahawkFan12 says:

    Thank you for a fun season…especially these past few weeks.

    1. They seemed a little hungover from the emotional win last week. Frankly, I did not expect that. I was really surprised by the drops by the receivers.

    2. MVP is Matt Hasselbeck. Period. LVP was the receiving corp. And the “fans” that called for us to lose for a better draft position…and the ones who have called #8 “Hasselsuck. You know who you are.

    3. There is no question: you BRING BACK HASSELBECK. PERIOD.

    4. Bring back L.Washington, Mebane, Milloy, Stokely and Tatupu. Jennings and Trufant have played their last games as Seahawks (though my prayers are with Trufant)

    5. My thoughts are of gratitude for the way this team turned things around when most gave up on them. NO, I would never have traded the past few weeks for better draft position…only losers would.

    6. OL, QB, DB, D-line. WR.

    And let me say THANK YOU to Eric for a stellar job managing this blog. You, Divish and the rest fo the contributors were great this season.

    Thank you to Duke, BobbyK, Canfan and countless others who kept the faith down the stretch and eclipsed the others who were less than supportive f the team. It is a pleasure having a “family” of fellow fans who love this team as much (maybe) as I do.

    GO SEAHAWKS!

    With a heavy but grateful heart,
    SeahawkFan12

  19. Dukeshire says:

    pdway – I do see Kam there next season. I’m a little disappointed they didn’t find more opportunities to get him time there in the base sets. But I have rather high expectations for him.

  20. First, a few general comments:

    This team greatly exceeded my expectations. i am now moderately on the PC bandwagon. IF we can get a quality QB of the future (Whitehurst is NOT the guy), & upgrade a few positions (notably WR & OL) this team has a future.

    Now on today’s game:

    While there is no question the Bears are the superior team, there are 2 things working against the Seahawks:

    1. The 10 am start. I have been saying for years, that NO west coast team should EVER have to play a 1 pm EST/10am PST start when they travel, those should also be late games.

    2. The snow. Seattle is not used to these conditions. Our passing games is 100% timing, & Matt is having trouble adjusting to the receivers losing 1 step due to the weather. The receivers are also not used to catching a frozen ball.

    1st half: Snow. Bears 21 Seahawks 0
    2nd half: No snow. Seahawks 24, Bears 14

    The snow had a huge impact.

    1. What surprised/disappointed you most about the Seahawks performance today?

    Disappointed: Mile Williams is not dependable. The only dependable receiver every week has been Stokely.

    Surprised: The D backfield did surprisingly well after Tru went out. Wondering with all the injuries if it’s time for Tru to retire?

    2. Who gets your MVP? How about your LVP?
    MVP Matt & Stokely
    LVP BMW & Obo

    3. Obviously one of the biggest questions concerning the upcoming offseason will be whether or not they should bring back Matt Hasselbeck, what are your thoughts.
    Resign for 2 years. Release Whitehurst. Draft or trade for the QB of the future.

    4. Who should not be back next year for the Seahawks?
    Whitehurst
    Tate
    Butler
    We must have a major o line upgrade

    Who should definitely be brought back?
    I need to have a list of FA’s to really answer this. I know there was one on the blog awhile back, but………
    Matt
    Stokely
    Mebane
    Washington
    ? (I already answered this in the thread I mentioned above)

    5. It was such an up and down season, but what are your thoughts looking back? Would you have traded the past few weeks for a higher draft pick?

    Optimistic for the first time since Holmgren left, though I agree with John Clayton, this team’s long term future is highly dependent on the next QB.

    That is a really tough question to answer. Last week, the tendency was to say no way in hades. This week……. well that #8 sure looks sweet.

    6. Since we can’t stop talking draft on here, what position should the Hawks target with their first round pick?

    Depending on who’s available either QB, OL or possibly wr. i am not sold on any of our wr’s other then Stokely as a 3rd receiver & Martin as a 4th or 5th.
    BMW is also a very good 3rd or 4th receiver & Obo is a 5th WR at best.
    Butler & Tate are likely busts.

  21. I agree that last week was well worth it – for many reasons. One is that I was there & had a wonderful time – lol! Seriously, the playoff experience is invaluable to the young players and let them know that the impossible does happen. Matt played really well last week and this. Brandon Stokely also did great. I think we sorely missed John Carlson. I hope he & Marcus will be OK. A. Curry did have an int. I’ve heard the coach talking about his improvement so hopefully we’ll see more next year.
    I’ve had season tickets 28 years and so am very used to the ups and downs. Last week has to qualify as one of the highs.
    So, once more, here’s to next season!! GO SEAHAWKS!!!

  22. Dukeshire says:

    SeahawkFan12 – Thanks. Hell of a ride, especially the past couple weeks wasn’t it? We’ll gear up and do it all over again! The Sr. Bowl is in only a couple weeks then the combine and draft… Hell, it’s practically opening day again. lol It is a bit like a family, for good or ill. lol

  23. I pretty sure that Schneider, and especially Pete aren’t going to look at it this way, but if you look at who we are playing next year, realistically we might not win that many games based on this season, so we might be in a better position to pick our franchise QB in the 2012 draft. I believe that it’s necessary to get the fundamentals of football right before we think about the quarterback, because Matt/Whitehurst will probably be serviceable next year.

    No matter what happens, I trust Carroll/Schneider, I hope they are going to continue to turn the roster around, and I have faith in them, to pull off another solid free agency/draft.

  24. It was a successful season and if PC and JS make the right moves in the off-season, the Seahawks will be contenders for the division title again next year. Considering how poorly the team played for stretches during the regular season, we were lucky to have a memorable playoff victory.

    As we’ve seen in the last couple of games, if the OL gives Hass time to throw, he can still make plays. If the Seahawks do not re-sign him, several teams would be happy to have him.

    I’m looking forward to a Super Bowl title in 2012, with Hass retiring with a ring on his finger.

  25. 1. What surprised/disappointed you most about the Seahawks performance today?

    Piss poor defense and drop-itus by the WRs. No pressure on Cutler – That just set us up for failure. Bradley’s lousy strategy in this game played a huge part in the loss.

    2. Who gets your MVP? How about your LVP?

    Matt Gets MVP.
    Mike Williams LVP.

    3. Obviously one of the biggest questions concerning the upcoming offseason will be whether or not they should bring back Matt Hasselbeck, what are your thoughts.

    He gets a one year contract.

    4. Who should not be back next year for the Seahawks? Who should definitely be brought back?

    I’m concerned about our coordinators, and especially on D. Today was shameful.

    I think we have some potential trade bate, starting with Curry. If we don’t trade him, he needs to take a salary cut. Milloy is done. I have never seen a back work so hard to lose yardage as Lynch. Is the OL really that bad. He’s good once he gets rolling, but it takes him forever to get those wheels moving.

    5. It was such an up and down season, but what are your thoughts looking back? Would you have traded the past few weeks for a higher draft pick?

    No!

    6. Since we can’t stop talking draft on here, what position should the Hawks target with their first round pick?

    OL with both the 1st and 2 rounders. Period! Our running game was epic bad today, AGAIN!

  26. SeahawkFan12 says:

    Duke, amen! Looking forward to the next part of the season, and that begins with the Sr. Bowl! Looking forward to more camaraderie and good vibes here on this blog.

    GO SEAHWKS!

  27. vancityhawk says:

    Re-sign Hass, Stokely, Washington

  28. Clarification: My mvp/lvp were for this game, NOT for the season. I’d really have to think about the season, though it actually could end up being the same 2 guys for mvp at least on offense.

  29. classy of the bears to play ‘enter sandman’ when Carlson gets injured.
    nice to see chicago has upgraded the field from green cement to brown cement.
    which field is uglier~Pitt or Chic?

    happy for the Hawks they made it this far, Too bad they couldn’t play better today.

  30. I’m really glad moo isn’t in charge of this team.

    To declare Tate and Butler busts at this point and time shows no rationale whatsoever. Obo and Williams aren’t capable of being #2 Receivers? Yea, Williams is unreliable, I get that and that’s fine, but due to one poor game you’re ready to blow up our WR corps?

    You want to cut Butler, Tate, and Whitehurst. Really? And keep Ruvell Martin. Because he’s so talented, he does things nobody else can do as a 5 receiver. That’s a cornerstone right there.

    I’m not really sure this team is in a position to acquire a quarterback of the future this off-season. At least one with more potential than Whitehurst. Guy plays in 3 games, wins one of which is a playoff game, and you guys have written him off. You are probably the same people that called for Hasselbecks head ten years ago when he struggled with the offense. Sorry that it takes more than 3 games to develop a quarterback without a lot of pieces put in place.

    This team needs to focus on O-Line, D-Line and the secondary. That’s it. A running back would be nice, but that’s really all this team needs to worry about. Not cutting players we’ve invested high picks in and creating more holes in the roster. This isn’t Madden.

  31. This is for all the people who think Aaron Curry isn’t our biggest problem (he’s not, but look at it this way):

    Lets say you bought a 2004 Chevy Impalla for $60,000. You thought it was a magic car or something (think of some dumb reason you’d buy a car like that for that much money).

    Okay, you’ve had the car for 2 years and it’s only worth $7,000 but you still owe over $35,000 on it.

    What would you do?

    Aaron Curry may not be our worst starter, but he does have a contract that pays him $60 million over 6 years. Is it really smart to keep paying that much money to a linebacker who is lost in space, overpursues everything under the sun, consistently misses tackles, and makes an occasional play? Don’t forget you don’t always see effort from him when you watch the games either.

    Hey, his defenders will say he was something like 7th on the team in tackles. For that much money, he damn well better be higher on the list than that! He sure as hell doesn’t look like a guy who has that inner drive and determination to succeed and that’s disappointing b/c all we were fed a couple of years ago was this crap about what a person of high character he was.

    Personally, I wish he’d screw his head on straight, be open to becoming a Leo (accept the coaching and TRY), and give that a shot (even if he has to back up Clemons next year and get some time in situational pass rush downs) because I honestly do NOT see him being very good next year at linebacker. He’s so damn lost in space and misses so many tackles that I have no faith that he can ever be good at that position.

    Where’s that AaronCurryisabust guy? He should be out in full force because his second year is complete and Curry outright sucks at this stage in the game (and of his career).

  32. I think the reason people are down on Whitehurst is because all of the practice reports throughout the season have been pretty bad. Day after day of looking bad doesn’t inspire confidence in me that moving forward that this is the guy we want leading the team in the future. If he’s not that guy of the future, why pay him $4 million or whatever? Like Curry? Why not use that money to actually get good players if the situation arises?

  33. After watching that game, you guys think Curry is a bigger problem than Tatupu?? Tatupu couldn’t even keep up with Cutler much less the TEs, has a massive contract and has had off the field problems.

    The Defense allows 35 points a game to everyone so there are plenty of problems all over the place, including Gus Bradley.

  34. It’s an analogy. Don’t get too technical. Pretend you can quit paying the $35,000 on the $7,000 vehicle.

    For the record — I would give him one more year (that way most of the guaranteed money would be paid and some of that talent could be tapped into or not… should know 99% by year 3 if he’s a bust… as it stands now, I’m only 95% sure he’s a bust [unless he becomes a Leo... then I still think he has a chance]).

  35. pabs – read my earlier comment about Tatupu before you go off on some stupid tantrum where you don’t know what the hell I’m talking about.

  36. pabs – Didn’t mean to sound that rash (sorry). Reread it and it looks harsh (what I wrote). If Tatupu was 100% today, then, yes, you’re right. I simply think he was playing well under 100%. Something must be wrong. But if something isn’t wrong, by all means, get rid of Tatupu. I feel there’s more to that story though (he’s hurting more than we know).

  37. bird_spit says:

    Next year we need in order: DE,OL,DB

    Frankly, I hope one of those is through FA, cause we dont have enough early picks. Sign Hass, and keep Whitehurst ready.

    I hope Hill is back, and Curry is riding the bench or is gone.

    MVP of game, Hass
    LVP of the game, that is so difficult because nothing was working, but you have to give it to the defensive coaches.

  38. Practice reports were bad on Whitehurst? I thought the back-up QB only got like 5% of the reps on this team?

  39. No whine and cheese for me, thanks. Hats off to Coach Carroll, GM Schneider, and all the players and coaches who fought to win games this year.

    This was a good first year of rebuilding. Thanks and goodbye to all the Seahawks who won’t be here next year. No moss will grow on this rebuilding effort. They took the first steps, now full steam ahead.

  40. We need new O-line players and D-line players. It starts and stops there. Everything else will fall in place if we have the talent on the lines.

  41. Dukeshire says:

    pabuwal – I absolutely do. He is simply bad. Lofa is slowed, either by injury or age, but his contributions are absolute and tangible (if not diminishing) Curry’s are not. At this point there is nothing he does at an even average level, IMO. If this defense is to improve, they need much better play from the strong side LB (among others). Yes, he played better before Red went down, but they need players that aren’t totally reliant on someone else. (They are all interwoven of course, but they have to be able to stand on their own.)

  42. 1. What surprised/disappointed you most about the Seahawks performance today? First, after an amount of ‘bad bounces’, the apparant “buy-in” of this team’s players seemed to evaporate. That’s my biggest concern with Hawks “perfomance”. Then OL run-blocking/run game/TOP. Then DL run-stopping. Also, how hard the sidelines were, might as well have paved them with concrete, and how poor the field was. Hawks shoulda practiced in somebody’s plowed/disced/frozen field. NFL should look into safety standards for field sidelines.
    2. Who gets your MVP? Hasselbeck & Stokely.
    How about your LVP? OL & DL. Next was STs blocking.
    3. Biggest question concerning upcoming offseason will be whether or not to bring back Matt Hasselbeck, thoughts: Absolutely – if Hawks can afford it, do it. Don’t want Matt playing for any other team, especially in this division.
    4. Who should not be back next year for the Seahawks? Ben Hamilton, Chester Pitts (unless somehow healthier), and am currently red-faced about Jordan Babineaux.
    Who should definitely be brought back? Matt Hasselbeck, Brandon Mebane, Leon Washington, Raheem Brock, Michael Robinson, Olindo Mare, Brandon Stokley, Will Herring.
    Who should also be brought back if there isn’t anybody better out there? Kelly Jennings, Lawyer Milloy, Ray Willis, Sean Locklear, Chris Spencer, Tyler Polumbus, Chris White, Leroy Hill, Ruvell Martin, Craig Terrill, Junior Siavii, Roy Lewis, Isaiah Stanback, Matt McCoy, J.P. Losman.
    (JS will likely emphasize re-signing valuable players prior to their becoming FAs and steer clear of the free-agent market)
    5. It was such an up and down season, but what are your thoughts looking back? They improved over ’09-’10.
    Would you have traded the past few weeks for a higher draft pick? Yes.
    6. Since we can’t stop talking draft on here, what position should the Hawks target with their first round pick? BPA. Every position needs competition.

  43. “But if something isn’t wrong, by all means, get rid of Tatupu. I feel there’s more to that story though (he’s hurting more than we know). ”

    You may be right – but the truth is he’s been trending down for three years now. And it’s obviously a very key position on a defense.

    Not that he’s our biggest issue.

  44. I agree with JacDG, take a look at our next year schedule. Who knows we might be able to pick Luck.

  45. So Whiitehurst doesn’t ever do anything at practice? He just sits and watches, I’m sure. lol

  46. GeorgiaHawk says:

    1- Not being able to run or stop the run!

    2-On the Seahawks or Bears? There is no MVP on losing teams!

    3- No brainer-Bring him back!

    4-Jury still out on this one!

    5-No!

    6-O-Line- Pouncey!

  47. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Maybe we can get our 3rd round pick back for Curry?

    Just dreaming.

  48. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I am very proud of this team overall! They exeeded my expectations for sure!

    Can’t wait for free agency and the draft!

  49. freedom_X says:

    1) The defense seemed to give up by the 4th quarter. What if they didn’t give up that 39 yard TD pass in the 4th? Is the game a lot more interesting?

    2) MVP – Hasselbeck. Team is skunked without him. LVP – hard to pick one player, since no one player was responsible for the huge deficit. I’d have to go with the safety tandem of Thomas and Miloy. Unable to cover the Chicago TE’s at all. I might have said OL due to the total inability of the guards to block Chicago’s tackles for the run, but the pass protection was OK if not great, all things considered.

    3) Unless Hasselbeck wants a franchise QB contract extension, he should be brought back. It looks like he can still perform for stretches. If Seattle can make their running game even average, then Seattle can mitigate those periods when Hasselbeck is relatively ineffective (usually when he is forced to come back from a big deficit, though Hasselbeck did a good job this game of not turning the ball over despite having to force the issue. 3 year extension, with most of the money front-loaded into year 1 of the contract.

    4) As always, people are looking for scapegoats to give a simple explanation for a bad team performance. If these various scapegoat players weren’t “even average”, Caroll wouldn’t be playing them. Period. After 230+ player transactions, people still can’t figure that out.

    All of Seattle’s guards except for Unger should be replaced. Andrews stays only if he can handle the right tackle position. Trufant stays if he takes a big pay cut. They need to upgrade at least 2 of the defensive line positions (i.e. get better backups.) I don’t think Locklear is resigned either, he needs a change of scenery.

    Of the free agents who can leave, Hasselbeck and Chris Spencer should be retained. If Miloy can accept the role of elder statesman/backup/locker room leader, bring him back too (or if Chancellor fails to develop.)

    Next year, Tate and Butler should be competing for the same position. One or the other has to step up their game another notch. Unless they both get a lot better, only one of the two should return. If Jennings can be signed at a reasonable price, I’d like to see him return, since he’s improving again after a 2 year lull in his career.

    5) I would not have traded the playoff experience for 13 higher spots. Unless they cut half the current team, they have learned so much on how to win. I have always said the difference between a top team and bad team is less about talent and more about winning attitude and experience. Detroit and San Francisco would kill to get that experience – once they had it, they’d have the talent to be solid playoff teams for several years. Then the team can build from there to become elite. But until they get it, they just have a bunch of underachieving talent.

    6) OL looks very weak in the draft, but that might mean Seattle would have its pick of what there is, and guard is probably their most urgent need. Next to that would be CB/DB, but this could be a rich draft for defensive backs.

    Of course, if a good QB prospect is there, they have to take him, but if they re-sign Hasselbeck, then they have to be really sold on that QB, the way McDaniels was sold on Tebow (not saying the Tebow pick was a great one, but obviously McDaniels totally believed in Tebow’s potential. He didn’t draft Tebow because Denver needed a QB and he was the best one available, he drafted him because he was completely sold on Tebow’s potential to be a franchise QB.

    5)

  50. nidhighe says:

    Disappointing loss, but I’ll take the division championship and beating the Saints from a team in rebuilding mode.

  51. 1. What surprised/disappointed you most about the Seahawks performance today?

    That the team really didn’t come to play today. I was really disappointed in how poor the run game was today; which I mainly blame the offensive line.

    2. Who gets your MVP? How about your LVP?

    MVP: Hasselbeck
    LVP: Offensive Line and 2nd would be Defensive Line.

    3. Obviously one of the biggest questions concerning the upcoming offseason will be whether or not they should bring back Matt Hasselbeck, what are your thoughts.

    Yes they should bring him back, either a 1 year or two year deal. This doesn’t mean they shouldnt look for a QB in the draft if they find someone they like.

    4. Who should not be back next year for the Seahawks? Who should definitely be brought back?

    Who shouldn’t come back:
    Several of the offensive lineman. Okung is really the only one that should definitely be back. Locklear, Pitts, Andrews are probably all gone.

    Kelly Jennings probably should not be brought back. They should be able to find someone better. And even though I’ve rooted for him, I wouldn’t be surprised if Trufant was gone. It seems like he’s really lost a step.

    I’m also not sure if Lofa should be brought back. He really hasn’t played well in the past 3 years and Hawthorne has been our best LB for the past two years.

    Definitely brought back:
    Brandon Mebane, Leon Washington, Matt Hasselbeck, and Brandon Stockley.

    5. It was such an up and down season, but what are your thoughts looking back? Would you have traded the past few weeks for a higher draft pick?

    The big win against St. Louis was exciting. The win against the Saints was worth every bad moment witnessed this season (which was a lot). I just wish we would have had a better experience today, but it was still good experience for our young players.

    I think if we would have come out and stunk up the joint against the Saints, then more of us would have probably wished for the better draft pick. But that game against the Saints will always be remembered.

    6. Since we can’t stop talking draft on here, what position should the Hawks target with their first round pick?

    I really think we need to continue to draft for the Offensive Line. Either OG or RT. Protecting the quarterback and establishing our run game is a huge priority over the off season.

    On the defensive side of the ball, I think we need either a DT or a CB. I’ve heard DT / DE is supposed to be stacked this year. So if there’ s a great player at #25, I’m ok with going there instead of the OL.

    With Tatupu’s injuries and Curry’s poor play I can see the need for a new LB. However, I just can’t have us take a LB in the 1st round whether there are much greater needs. Same can be said for WR / RB (playmakers).

    If they think they have the franchise QB at #25, I’m fine taking him. But I’m also OK with keeping Hasselbeck for another year or two, keeping Whitehurst for next year, and possibly trying to develop Nate Davis.

  52. I don’t quite get all the anger over Curry.

    Yes I know he was drafted #4 and he’s been overpaid, but that’s a sunk cost, so forget that for a moment. All that matters now is potential to contribute next year.

    Curry is an average second-year LB, with above average athleticism and potential. Lots of average players who have above average altheticism develop into very good players by their third and fourth season.

    Red Bryant did nothing until his 3rd year.
    Colin Cole was nothing until his 8th year.
    Hasselbeck’s light didn’t go on until his 4th season.

    Obviously, Aaron Curry is not bright, not instinctive, and slow to develop. But he has the tools, and his skills are developing. He should be an above average LB and start making a lot more plays next season. After developing him for two years, its not time to give up on him now. That would be a wasted investment. The rewards are yet to come.

  53. 1. What surprised/disappointed you most about the Seahawks performance today?

    We were NOT ready for the conditions. They were very physical and we were not ready for that. We looked VERY slow as a team!!!!!! I think the Field being like it was totally took our guys out of it.

    I do wonder how Carlson getting hurt affected some of the guys. MW was right there pacing, kneeling (possibly praying) and then did not go full speed after that. Was he scared – did that flow to the rest of the team?

    2. Who gets your MVP? Matt
    How about your LVP? Hard to say. but anyone who played scared or timid today

    3. Obviously one of the biggest questions concerning the upcoming offseason will be whether or not they should bring back Matt Hasselbeck, what are your thoughts.

    Short contract with club options – at the right price. I think he will be a good mentor/teacher for Charlie and who ever we have in place next year.

    4. Who should not be back next year for the Seahawks? Who should definitely be brought back?

    BACK – Washington, Mebane, Matt H,
    Not back – anyone who can’t make the cut with the people that will be brought in.

    I don’t think anyone played their way out of a spot, unless there is a better replacement

    5. It was such an up and down season, but what are your thoughts looking back? Would you have traded the past few weeks for a higher draft pick?

    The last few weeks have given me hope that we have the right 2 guys in charge of the team right now!! They will bring together a good group of players and they will get them to play – or they will be replaced. Some sooner, some later.

    6. Since we can’t stop talking draft on here, what position should the Hawks target with their first round pick?

    I have said it before, and I will say it again. I don’t care who we draft where. as long as they are contributing to the team. It is incredible that all of our draft picks this year had a chance to contribute (well except the one that is on IR) Hopefully We will be deeper in the future and not all the picks will make it but the fact that they found guys that fit this team all the way to the 7th round is great. Some have been better than others, but still, I think you get my point

  54. madpunter88 says:

    Most of the questions have been well-hashed. It is interesting, though, the thoughts on Hasselbeck. Hass is most likely the Seahawks best option for next year regardless of whether the coaching staff believes CW is the future or whether they draft a rookie.

    Unless the staff is completely sold that CW can start day 1 and lead a team to the playoffs (I doubt they believe that yet) then Hass is the only option. Otherwise, he’ll go play somewhere else — most likely SF or Arizona since both teams would love a veteran QB. Make no mistake, though, Hasselbeck is not coming back on a discount. He may have been terribly inconsistent the last few years and also fragile — but there are plenty of explanations for that (one of the worst offensive lines and running games in NFL history over most of this season and last year were the primary factors). His performance the last two weeks is enough to ensure some team out there will pay big for his services. The Browns gave Delhomme a big contract last year. The Redskins are paying out the nose for McNabb. And Hasselbeck is more valuable than both right now. There is a market for playoff-tested, veteran QBs and Hasselbeck is the bell of the ball right now. He’s the biggest QB free agent this year.

    I am not worried about whether the Seahawks want Hasselbeck back (they should). I am worried that someone else will want to pay him too much and he’ll leave. His loyalty to the Seahawks franchise is key. It’s not a matter of whether they should bring him back; it’s how much they are comfortable giving up for a continued short-term solution.

  55. nighthawk2 says:

    Well they sure gave the haters ammunition to say we didn’t belong. Way to stink up a playoff game; and great time for Hasselsuck to turn back into a pumpkin–until garbage time when we’re down by 25 points (and then 18 points). Gave up better than 8 yards a carry to a quarterback not named Vick, 8 carries for 43 yards and 2 TD’s by Jay Cutler. Amazing. 113 yards on just 3 catches, and a TD, to seldom used Greg Olsen. 31.7 yards average punting. 34 net yards rushing. 3 of 14 Third Down Efficiency–21% (Bears were 55%). 12 rushing plays; someone tell me why Leon Washington gets 9 yards on a run on the first play of the game and never gets another carry? They had 8 penalties to our 3 and still beat us like a drum. Before the defense becomes the sole whipping boy, look at what a pathetic performance the offense laid: 7 first half possessions, all ending in a punt. 1st poss: 3 plays 7 net yards, punt. 2nd poss: 5 plays 36 net yards, 2 first downs, punt (from Bears 40, they only time we were in Bears territory until we got the ball at their 30 with 4:12 left in the 3rd qtr). 3rd poss: 3 plays 7 net yards, punt. 4th possession: 3 plays -5 net yards, punt. 5th poss: 3 plays 16 net yards 1 first down, punt. 6th poss: 6 plays 20 net yards 1 first down, punt. 7th poss: 4 plays 7 net yards 1 first down, punt. Halftime–88 net yards, 5 first downs, no points, score 21-0 Chicago. 2nd half: 1st poss: 3 plays 0 yards punt. 2nd poss: (at Bears 30) 7 plays 18 net yards, 2 first downs, Field Goal (with 2:20 left 3rd qtr after getting the ball with 4:12 left to play after Chicago held the ball for 8 minutes. 3rd poss: After Curry’s one good play of the day (2 whole tackles for the game) intercepting a pass from RB Matt Forte, start at Chicago 33; 9 plays 33 net yards 2 first downs, touchdown. 4th poss: 4 plays 8 net yards, punt. 5th poss: 7 plays 74 net yards 5 first downs, touchdown. 7th poss: got the ball on our 37 after they ran 4 times and turned it over on downs (with the score 35-17), 2 plays 55 net yards, touchdown (with 27 seconds left in the game). Defense was on the field all day long. Chicago had the ball for 37 minutes and 10 seconds, we had it for 22 minutes and 50 seconds, and only did anything with it for 6 minutes, 4:40 of that in garbage time with the game long out of reach.

    Hasselsuck got 2 TD’s in the last 4:40 of the game to make the score look closer than it really was (trailing 35-10 at the time). He got us 10 points after getting the ball at the Chicago 30 and 33 yard lines starting with 2:20 left in the 3rd quarter and we trailed 28-0. Then he gets two TD’s in the last 4:40 of the 4th quarter, and people look at his stats and say “wow, 258 yards”–another sub-300 yard game–and 3 touchdowns!” when in fact he did nothing outside of 6 minutes of the game (except fumble, his 8th of the season, 5 lost). At least he didn’t throw an interception (18 of those this season). And they want to re-sign this bum? If they do, the best thing that could happen to the Seahawks is a lockout. Otherwise, we’re looking at 7-9 or 6-10 again.

    1. What surprised/disappointed you most about the Seahawks performance today?

    The fact that Hasselsuck didn’t throw an interception was the biggest surprise. The biggest disappointment was the 4th overall pick of the 2009 draft with a whopping 2 tackles (yeah he got an INT, off a halfback). The word “bust” gets used a lot here, I’m thinking it applies to this guy. We should have either drafted Sanchez (despite Hasselsuck’s lobbying against it) or traded down and gotten a tackle. Thanks again Timmay!

    2. Who gets your MVP? How about your LVP?

    MVP for the game would be David Hawthorne. Unlike the rich guy that was a high draft pick, he showed up Sunday.

    Least valuable player? I’d split that between Curry, Hasselsuck, Babineaux, Tatupu (constantly out of position and vainly trailing the play, but what else is new) and Pete Carroll–for not having these guys prepared.

    3. Obviously one of the biggest questions concerning the upcoming offseason will be whether or not they should bring back Matt Hasselbeck, what are your thoughts.

    Not only NO but HELL NO!!! 2009: 17 interceptions and 3 lost fumbles (11 total fumbles) in 14 games. 2010 17 interceptions in 12-3/4 regular season games and 5 lost fumbles (out of 7 total) in the regular season, 1 INT and a fumble (recovered) in the playoffs. That’s 35 interceptions and 8 lost fumbles in 28-3/4 games. And lets not forgot that long streak of games with an interception extending from 2009 to 2010, or that he singlehandedly lost the Atlanta game with 3 turnovers in the 3rd qtr (and got benched for it too late) when it was only a 7 point game at halftime.

    4. Who should not be back next year for the Seahawks? Who should definitely be brought back?

    NOT: Hasselsuck, Babineaux, Pitts, Spencer, Gibson, Locklear, Jennings, Andrews, Curry, Tatupu (trade those two), Losman, Trufant (trade him), Milloy, Robinson, Balmer, Hill…won’t go through the whole roster.

    BACK: Whitehurst, Stokely, Forsett, Washington, Hawthorne, Herring, Polumbus, Stokley…won’t go through the whole roster here either.

    5. It was such an up and down season, but what are your thoughts looking back? Would you have traded the past few weeks for a higher draft pick?

    My thoughts are we should have played Whitehurst since we traded a 3rd round pick and dropped 20 spots in the 2nd round for him and Hasselsuck had 12 TDs to 17 INTs and 5 lost fumbles. We should have utilized Forsett and Washington in the backfield more. I’m tempted to say yes about trading the last few weeks (how few?) for a higher draft pick now that some people who can evaluate talent are running the draft, but beating the Rams (and keeping them out of the playoffs) and knocking off the Super Bowl champs (while giving Mora a severe case of heartburn to boot) is just to good to pass up.

    6. Since we can’t stop talking draft on here, what position should the Hawks target with their first round pick?

    Right tackle. And that’s after throwing money at Carl Nicks and Ryan Kalil to shore up the interior of the line.

    Our priorites for the #25 pick should be in this order:

    1. Right Tackle
    2. Cornerback
    3. Outside Linebacker (after we ship Curry’s worthless ass off to some other sucker for a 3rd round pick).
    4. Guard
    5. Defensive Tackle

  56. yellaman says:

    1. What surprised/disappointed you most about the Seahawks performance today?

    The defense in ability to stop chicago’d offense. Never gave a us a chance for our offense to get on track

    2. Who gets your MVP? How about your LVP?

    MVP stokely/ LVP linebackers tatupu & curry

    3. Obviously one of the biggest questions concerning the upcoming offseason will be whether or not they should bring back Matt Hasselbeck, what are your thoughts.

    bring him back if the deal is right still but need to find his successor via draft or free agency

    4. Who should not be back next year for the Seahawks? Who should definitely be brought back?

    need to upgrade offense line say goodbye to locklear & spencer also need to upgrade secondary say goodbye to Jennings

    5. It was such an up and down season, but what are your thoughts looking back? Would you have traded the past few weeks for a higher draft pick?

    No draft pick position doesn’t mean anything if you draft the wrong players example Curry

    6. Since we can’t stop talking draft on here, what position should the Hawks target with their first round pick? Offense line/ Defense line 1st pick, 2nd pick a QB/ CB

  57. seahawklovertoo says:

    As Freedom X stated above , there will be plenty good CB/DBs in this draft to pick from. If they bring in vet CB , it may be Champ Bailey for less money than Asomugha and such. Sadly, I feel Tru is done with football. I’d keep Milloy for another year
    in a back-up rule.
    Now ( my version of BobbyK dreaming), if Detroit would be that stupid,I’d send Curry + any player we have + a first rounder for Suh and build our D around him. We do have a couple decent LBs on IR who should be healthy for next year.
    I think Gus Bradley has had to many chances as a coach already. He needs another place to be happy.

  58. classic rant. I love it. Don’t agree with it all (like Matt throwing perfectly thrown balls that were dropped being the reason drives were stalling), but it finally feels like there’s some closure to the season.

    nighthawk – I screwed up in my Carl Nicks rants earlier. He’s only a 3rd year guy so he won’t be a “free” agent. That’s why I’m on the Logan Mankins bandwagon now.

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