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Chiefs 42, Seahawks 24 — Postgame rants and complaints

Post by Ryan Divish on Nov. 28, 2010 at 4:21 pm with 53 Comments »
November 28, 2010 5:41 pm
TNT photo/Joe Barrentine

Well, just when it looked like the Seahawks might make it a game, the Chiefs remembered that they could run all day on the Hawks defense and Kelly Jennings had no chance of covering Dwayne Bowe. But other than that, everything was great.

The Seahawks have some serious questions to answer defensively. They simply got owned. They couldn’t get off the field. And even when they did, the offense was anemic enough early on to put them right back out there.

The numbers are horrific.

KC had 505 yards of total offense. They rushed for 270 yards and threw for 233 yards and racked up 28 first downs.  They had the ball on offense for 41 minutes of the game. Seattle rushed for 20 yards.

1. Who gets your Least Valuable Player?

2. When was the last time you saw a Seahawks get manhandled up front this badly on both sides of the ball?

3. How much does Russell Okung’s ankle issue concern you for this season and moving forward?

4. If you could make one personnel change with the players on hand, what would it be?

5. Looking at the games ahead, what do you see this team doin?

6. What was the most frustrating aspect of this loss/team?

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  1. SandpointHawk says:

    I want to thank you for the game chat…it’s a great way to blow off steam….My wife is no longer afraid I’m going to burn the house down when ever the Hawks play….

  2. Why, why, why on earth would you leave Jennings on Bowe after he got continuously burned over and over again? = LVP

    Any offense is going to have a hard time keeping the game close when they basically have to outscore the opponent, who is being allowed to score at will, in order to win the game. How many 4 TD QBs have we allowed this year? Pathetic.

  3. bigmike04 says:

    1. Who gets your Least Valuable Player? I say Defensive and Offensive both side deserve it, Cannot stop the run, can’t cover anyone, offensively we look lost without Mike williams.

    2. When was the last time you saw a Seahawks get manhandled up front this badly on both sides of the ball? this whole season when they lose.

    3. How much does Russell Okung’s ankle issue concern you for this season and moving forward? not biggie, the guy been injured this whole season and if he miss anymore weeks than place him on IR, seem like Bust for this yr.

    4. If you could make one personnel change with the players on hand, what would it be? If their is a good player at OL, CB, DL that is free agent I would look to bring that person in as all 3 position need help.

    5. Looking at the games ahead, what do you see this team doin? I see this team beating Panthers and 49ers and some how take charge and end the season atleast 9-7 or 8-8.

    6. What was the most frustrating aspect of this loss/team? Defensively couldn’t stop the run at all, about 200 yards in run wow…. Their praticality close to last in Defensive and offensive in NFL, so need to upgrade.

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/#ixzz16ctUPbmE

  4. Dukeshire says:

    1. Who gets your Least Valuable Player? Balmer or Jennings

    2. When was the last time you saw a Seahawks get manhandled up front this badly on both sides of the ball? 3 weeks ago against the Giants.

    3. How much does Russell Okung’s ankle issue concern you for this season and moving forward? Moderately. He came back today so he should be fine.

    4. If you could make one personnel change with the players on hand, what would it be? Start Thurmond over Jennings. I’d want to cut Balmer but I’m not sure who’d play LDE.

    5. Looking at the games ahead, what do you see this team doin? No clue at this point. It’s hard to see another win on the schedule right now.

    6. What was the most frustrating aspect of this loss/team? Completely overmatched in the basics; blocking, tackling.

  5. bigmike04 says:

    No offensive to any Seahawks fan but if we make the playoff, Hawks will lose the game due to fact that defensive still sucks and on offensive is to point where it not enough to win the game. I haven’t seen anything on this team right now that will show me that they can get on winning streak and go into playoff looking like they can win.

    Injuries are big issue with getting guys healthy and if Russell Okung is out for 1 game or so than it time to consider placing him on IR. I have to say this yr for him seem like crap and make you wonder if he was worth drafting in 1st place….

  6. It all start with our lines. The O-line can’t block for the run, and the D-line can’t stop the run. At least I have some hope that the D will be better when the starters are back, but the O-line is the weakest unit on the team.

    Bowe caught 170 yds of the 235 that Cassel threw for, how about we make him a priority?

    Deon Butler doesn’t need to be on the roster next year.

    Pretty disappointed, I’d thought we were a bit better than this – they really steamrolled us today. I give them credit, Cassel, Charles, Bowe, all looked very very good today – but I would not have guessed that we would be rolled like this.

    The 1st half in particular, one of our most lackluster efforts of the entire year.

  7. All I asked this morning was the Seahawks don’t make yet another team look like a Super Bowl contender on the way to someone winning this division at 7-9.

  8. GriffinNW says:

    With the Rams winning and our horrible loss, I think we can all shutup about playoffs.
    This team is in bad shape on both sides of the ball. Do people really want a 1-and-done playoff run, I mean, really?
    This football team, ugh so frustrating.
    Did the team forget how to tackle completely? Apparently we can not run block now that we have lost Red and Cole. They ran to the edge every time for positive results.
    Clearly we cant pass defend. Why do we always run the “prevent” defense every week.
    Offense- haha

  9. 1. Who gets your Least Valuable Player?
    Group effort. Both lines & the receiving corp/

    2. When was the last time you saw a Seahawks get manhandled up front this badly on both sides of the ball?
    New Orleans & New York

    3. How much does Russell Okung’s ankle issue concern you for this season and moving forward?
    ALOT

    4. If you could make one personnel change with the players on hand, what would it be?
    Try Washington as the featured RB

    5. Looking at the games ahead, what do you see this team doin?
    This team is so schizophrenic that it’s hard to predict. Injuries would seem to be the #1 factor. i am curious every year the Hawks seem to have way more then their share of injuries. Have we used the same trianing staff for a long period, or did Mora & PC bring in new staffs?

    6. What was the most frustrating aspect of this loss/team?
    That the division is so winnable after I originally expected the Hawks to finish last & that we’re not taking care of business. I saw this as a must win game if we wanted to win the division. It’s still possible, but this should have been one of the easier games on the remaining schedule.

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2010/11/28/chiefs-42-seahawks-24-postgame-rants-and-complaints/#ixzz16cx4RMRw

  10. I agree with Big Mike, if we make the play offs it’s one blow out loss & out, but even making the playoffs would be beyond cool with our current personnel.

  11. “With the Rams winning and our horrible loss, I think we can all shutup about playoffs.
    This team is in bad shape on both sides of the ball. Do people really want a 1-and-done playoff run, I mean, really?”

    Rams are 5-6, and still have an away game at N.O., and a home game against KC – that I think they will lose – if they win their other two (against AZ and SF), then they will be 7-8 going into the final game against us in Seattle.

    So the playoffs are still possible – and to answer your question – yeah, I do still want to the make the playoffs, even if it’s one and done. There’s no advantage to us in not doing so – and I still think it validates the 1st Carroll year as a success. What’s the upside in missing the playoffs? A couple draft spots? To me that’s negligible benefit.

  12. 1. Who gets your Least Valuable Player? KJ
    2. When was the last time you saw a Seahawks (team) get manhandled up front this badly on both sides of the ball? Most of last season.
    3. How much does Russell Okung’s ankle issue concern you for this season and moving forward? Lots.
    4. If you could make one personnel change with the players on hand, what would it be? It would have to be an OL coach. Yes I know A.Gibbs bailed, but even scraping the bottom of the barrel the players we got should do better’n what they have done.
    5. Looking at the games ahead, what do you see this team doin? Picking higher in the draft, unless they could get healthy.
    6. What was the most frustrating aspect of this loss/team? Inconsistency. Also, Bowe has not been that much of a factor for them in the past. Who is our secondary coach?

  13. GriffinNW says:

    pdway-
    I guess you are right. There is nothing to gain/lose in the playoff situation. It would be considered a win in the eyes of the PC regime, which is a plus, because I like the guy.
    At least the week heading into the playoffs would be a wild one, pre-us playing the game.

    People keep mentioning Okung, did he leave the game late with an injury? I didn’t even notice.

  14. If the Seahawks are as serious as the coaches sound they’ll overhaul BOTH the O- and D-lines in the next off-season; i.e., at least two or three new front-line impact players on both sides of the line. That’s where there getting had for starts, and lack of finishes, whenever they look bad all this season. If they don’t change emphatically up-front, we’ll just be seeing more of the same like this again next year. Still, all in all though, Carroll has my respect and vote for the way he and Schneidner have changed what they could in the time they had in some good, young skill players this season.

    And, in my view it all comes down not to just how well they make the best of the remainder of this season now, but how effectively they improve the overall line play on both sides–the nitty-gritty that we don’t have now and is beating us…all too badly. Hasselbeck’s not the issue on this team, as long as he’s healthy, other than getting a better, younger back-up for him on board asap. Nor are the running backs, most of the receivers and the linebackers. But another good DB or two would be helpful too. And, let’s not forget to not let the special team units lanquish this next year either, for they are really respectable there this year. But enough large, talented linemen–on both sides of the ball–asap emphatically is what this team is clearly lacking now; in other words, enough depth too. Enough said, just do it–soon.

  15. After the Saints game, I commented that to finish better than 8-8, we’d need to beat at least one of our remaining games against teams with winning records, and asked for bets on which of those games offered the best chance for a Seahawks upset.

    I didn’t get many answers, but the consensus seemed to be that today’s game was it.

    So, say hello to an 8-8 season (or worse).

  16. seahawklovertoo says:

    Changing offensive line schemes from ZBS to what ever we got now … letting Sims go to Detroit (we sure can use him now)… Not pulling the trigger on Lock and letting Andrews play ROT (if Lock can’t play RG, then cut him ! For Christ sake , we let Hush go for free…)Going after CW, keeping Butler over Hush, drafting Tate in the second….I can go on and on… But, then giving chance to Williams, playing Big Red at DE,drafting Okung, Thomas and Thurmund , going after Lynch and few other moves makes this FO ok with me.
    Curry might be a bust but, I would not call Okung a bust at this time. Lets not forget we are in a rebuilding year.
    ( Man, I am taking SAM-e , and that shit works…I can’t believe I am writing this instead of freaking out as usual )
    Yes, I am very disapointed and I’d really hate to see the Lambs win this division !

  17. MEhawkfan says:

    1. Who gets your Least Valuable Player? Kelly Jennings D / Deon Butler O

    2. When was the last time you saw a Seahawks get manhandled up front this badly on both sides of the ball? Giants/ Raiders take your pick

    3. How much does Russell Okung’s ankle issue concern you for this season and moving forward? Russell “Glassman” Okung

    4. If you could make one personnel change with the players on hand, what would it be? I don’t know about personnel changes with who’s currently available, but I would like to see Forsett get more touches. I would also like Carlson to be more involved.

    5. Looking at the games ahead, what do you see this team doin? 6 – 10: Panthers – Win; Niners – Loss; Falcons – Loss; Bucs – Loss; Rams – Loss — This team is not coming together in any way, shape, or form, and the Rams seem to be doing just that. They win the division this year.

    6. What was the most frustrating aspect of this loss/team? The inability of the offense to run the ball

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2010/11/28/chiefs-42-seahawks-24-postgame-rants-and-complaints/#ixzz16cykBgeY

  18. 1. While Balmer and Jennings would be good choices (as the usual suspects; LG, RG, RT), I’m going to give it to Butler. He dropped a 1st down pass (his second drop on that series) when we were driving and only down 21-17. We didn’t get the yardage on 3rd down and punted. That’s the one play I think of and if Butler could have caught it, we would have still been in it at that point. From there, anything (good or bad) could have happened.

    2. I’m used to seeing the Seahawks manhandled 16 weeks per season on the offensive line so it’s easier to take watching the defensive line trying to play copycat (sarcasm).

    3. Not much.

    4. I would like to see the Thurmond era begin as a Seahawks starting CB.

    5. I still think we’ll win the division. However, we may end up winning it at 8-8.

    6. I was most frustrated by the inability of the defensive line to stop the run or rush the passer. Earlier in the season, we could at least stop the run (we had a strength). Now we can’t do either.

  19. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the difference between a division champion’s draft position (even with an 8-8 or worse record) and a non-playoff team at 7-9 (or worse) is more than a couple of draft spots.

    I.e., don’t non-playoff teams pick ahead of playoff teams, regardless of records?

  20. bulldog80 says:

    Balmer shouldn’t play again unless we had NOONE else left. He was moved around at will by KC and has a knack for being a non-factor.

    Jennings has no ball skills. Even when he’s near enough to make a play he has no idea where the ball is to do anything with it.

    Butler should also be inactive until he’s proven he can be a reliable receiver IN A GAME. Way too many drops

    Matt is on when he’s on but gets too frustrated when he’s not. He’s still too careless with the ball. Many times in pivotal situations.

    Bates needs to have more checkdowns, pitches, sweeps, underneath routes, and for heavens sakes get the screen game going!

    Loved going for it on 4th on our first possession but hated the play call. ^ inches and you’re throwing it down the field. Come on man!!!

    Verrrrry disappointed after this one.

  21. “I.e., don’t non-playoff teams pick ahead of playoff teams, regardless of records? ”

    Just did a quick check – and you’re right, that is the way they do it. Can’t really tell until all the records are in – but it could be a drop of 5 or so spots. Still doesn’t change my opinion – I really don’t like the idea of hoping to lose unless you are in a truly hapless year.

  22. bulldog80 says:

    Fish that’s correct about draft position. Playoff teams pick last

    At least special teams were good. And Heater made several great plays. Love his heart

  23. CHawkFanIn9erLand says:

    This loss hurt us in the divisional race more than the others, IMHO. We needed to win some home games, but we really didn’t compete. The rams have broken their curse on the road … so yeah, this hurts. I’m happy with so many things PC and Schneider have done, but this season is a classic example of the phrase “Perceptin is reality” If LW hadn’t returned two kicks for TD’s, and if SF hadn’t completely fallen apart in week 1, we’d be seriously questioning if we are better off than we were under Mora.

    This defense has, quite honestly, had me concerned since week 2, and now it’s showing us all why. The D-line was a house of cards, and the secondary was bad from the start.

    LVP … as bad as the defense was, if we could run the ball we’d probably have won this game. If we ran for 120+ yards, no way KC runs for 270. I’m going to keep blasting the o-line as the LVP until they give me a reason not to.

    Last time they were manhandled like this … the giants game. Before that … The Raiders game. IMHO, it’s not about Okung. It’s about the rest of the line. I refuse to believe that it’s impossible to field a better O-line than what we have so far. It is what it is this year, but I honestly can’t won’t be able to watch next year if there isn’t significant improvement.

    One personnel change … well that’s tough, because our backups are pretty bad. I know the question calls for players on hand, but I’m having a tough time believing that Leroy Hill is worse than what we’re getting at linebacker play, especially after seeing how we play vs the run and screen passes.

    I see us getting to 7-9, and the Rams taking the division.

    What is the most frustrating part of the loss? I haven’t seen progression on the defense since the Chicago game. I would expect a well coached team to improve on the fundamentals with time.

  24. Devinc253 says:

    1. Who gets your Least Valuable Player? MATT HASSELBECK

    2. When was the last time you saw a Seahawks get manhandled up front this badly on both sides of the ball? ALOT THE LAST COUPLE YEARS

    3. How much does Russell Okung’s ankle issue concern you for this season and moving forward? HIS FUTURE IS ALREADY BEING QUESTIONED AND HE’S NOT THROUGH YEAR 1

    4. If you could make one personnel change with the players on hand, what would it be? BENCH HASSELBECK… TRADE TATUPU (HAWTHORNE HAD A WAY BETTER YEAR AT MLB LAST YEAR THAN TATUPU HAS EVER HAD)
    NEW CORNERBACKS

    5. Looking at the games ahead, what do you see this team doin?
    NOTHING

    6. What was the most frustrating aspect of this loss/team?
    HASSELBECK.. NO DEFENSE

  25. We don’t need to worry about play offs
    This team won’t win again this season, the fight has gone and the injuries are taking it backward

  26. Just to be clear, I’m not rooting for the Seahawks to miss the playoffs.

    I just wanted to address the idea that it would only mean a difference of a couple of draft spots. It could end up meaning a lot more than that.

    As a fan, I’m an optimist until the bitter end. As long as there’s even the slimmest possibility of a miracle finish, I want us going for it.

  27. “I refuse to believe that it’s impossible to field a better O-line than what we have so far. It is what it is this year, but I honestly can’t won’t be able to watch next year if there isn’t significant improvement.”

    Yeah, I agree – other teams seem to figure it out. The Chiefs line that killed us today wasn’t all 1st rounders.

    The team does have a ton of holes – I guess it wasn’t all going to be fixed in a year.

  28. I hate to say it and am usually very optimistic (what can i say, i am a diehard hawks fan)….BUT this season is OVER….i would rather go 8-8 or 7-9 and not make the playoffs….Seattle will be smoked by any playoff team this year….4 games of completely pathetic football against GOOD teams.(OAK, NYG, NO, KC)..and i don’t even mean Matt…last year he lost some games for us but this year he is the only one who seems to be improving….

    Is it just me or do we not seem to get superstar draft picks in SEA like most other teams? and I mean players that make an immediate impact? why are we always “waiting” for the players to improve? I watch (not closely) and it seems other teams draft picks each year out perform ours by MILES… for example: Clay Matthews vs. Aaron Curry, Percy Harvin vs. Golden Tate (i know they were drafted a year apart)…I could go on and on and on…Mike Wallace vs. Deon Butler….Peyton Ellis, Dez Bryant, etc. etc. etc…..I am sick of it and i hope this front office keeps working hard….i am tired of always being the “forgotten” NW NFL team…i want Seattle to whip some total ass one of these years….i want to see more toughness, less injuries, more aggression….i just have not seen it with SEA…even in their Superbowl year…..I mean c’mon….we had a good 3 year run? really? 2004-2007 where SEA actually mattered…i don’t even think teams plan for us anymore. But yet ther are teams that for at least a decade or more get it done every single year regardless of personnel changes. i.e. New England, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, San Diego, etc….it is ridiculous….I want Seattle to be one of those type of team some day….

    OK thanks for listening to my post game “rant”…sorry for the complete rambling format……i now return you to your regularly scheduleded programming…

  29. nidhighe says:

    1. Who gets your Least Valuable Player? Balmer and Siavii, who simply have been unable to effectively replace Bryant and Cole in the base defense.

    2. When was the last time you saw a Seahawks get manhandled up front this badly on both sides of the ball? A few weeks ago against the Giants.

    3. How much does Russell Okung’s ankle issue concern you for this season and moving forward? I’m not concerned. He returned to the game without any apparent limp. I’m more concerned about Spencer’s injury at the end.

    4. If you could make one personnel change with the players on hand, what would it be? Get Leon Washington on the field on offense. Throw him some screens and see if he can make some plays.

    5. Looking at the games ahead, what do you see this team doin? I think we can still win the division, but we need Mike Williams back and healthy. If we lose to Carolina next week, the season is over.

    6. What was the most frustrating aspect of this loss/team? Hasselbeck’s carelessness with the ball.

  30. letsworkitout says:

    one and done does hurt you actually. Draft goes by record except for playoff teams. They are automatically placed at the bottom of the draft. With their record they would likely be in the teens for the draft picks, whereas if they make the playoffs and exit you will be in the mid 20’s. Just sayin.

  31. My perception is Matt’s problem was the AWFUL grounding call. What I believe happened there was a timing play was totally botched by the receivers, & the official also badly botched that call.

    Unfortunately, it looked to me like at least one of the interceptions & 1 of the sacks was caused by Matt’s legitimate concern of another bad grounding call.

    This is the 2nd straight week we’ve played against both the other team AND the officials.

    Mind you it would help big time if receivers other then BMW & Stokely could CONSISTENTLY catch the ball, & despite some clutch catches Stokely appeared to be one of the biggest offenders of not running routes as Matt expected.

  32. williambryan says:

    1. Who gets your Least Valuable Player? I dont blame jennings at all. Bowe is very impressive and Bradley should have bracketed Bowe with someone bumping him on the line and help directly over the top. LVP, probably Deon Butler, I dont think he will be on the team next year.

    2. Like others have said, the giants pretty much did the same thing…

    3. Not at all. He came back in the game and he clearly is a probowl level LT.

    4. Just be healthy, if Cole and Bryant and BMW are playing its a whole different game.

    5. I think they will be 8-8 the winner of the division?

    6. I feel that if Mike Williams were playing it would have been a much different game

  33. Whew! Hate to see us outcoached earlry in games over and over….. It’s clear we’re too predictable early in games…. coaching needs to address this… it’s ugly!

    Sure doesn’t bode well how much the refs continue to rape us…. I don’t know how we get by that…. We can’t even ‘vote’ them out…..

  34. 1. Who gets your Least Valuable Player? Can’t pick a specific player on defense so I’ll go with Marshawn Lynch. I understand the line has been terrible run blocking but he is initially slow and is a sitting duck. IMO Forsett and Washington should be getting the bulk of the carries with his line. They have the quickness to juke tacklers and make something out of nothing.

    2. When was the last time you saw a Seahawks get manhandled up front this badly on both sides of the ball? Against San Diego this year

    3. How much does Russell Okung’s ankle issue concern you for this season and moving forward? Very much so. He simply can’t stay on the field. Some players have bodies that simply can’t handle the pounding in this league…I’m praying he is not one of them. He is exceptional when he is in there.

    4. If you could make one personnel change with the players on hand, what would it be? Defense can only be fixed by getting the injured players back at this point. My move would be to give Forsett and Washington more carries. They simply have to get some semblance of a running game going.

    5. Looking at the games ahead, what do you see this team doin? Not sure at this point…depends on the injury situation. If guys like Okung, Cole and Bryant remain on the sidelines, they don’t have much chance of being on top of the division. They would have to get healthy real quick to overtake the Rams at this point. The Rams are getting stronger every week. They just went on the road and put up 36 points. Think Seattle could do that?

    6. What was the most frustrating aspect of this loss/team? The inability to stop the Chiefs offense at all. They could pass or run pretty much at will. Very frustrating.

  35. PA wants the best team in the NFL as do us SEA fans. Hawks are 5-6. They should win next week vs CAR if players start coming back healthy. But then they probably lose out – @SF, again vs ATL, @TB and again vs STL. So maybe they’ll own a 6-10 record, and pick somewhere around 10th. There are pretty big needs right now all over this team, some due to injury/lack of depth. Injured players who could come back: C/G Max Unger, DE Red Bryant, TEs Jameson Kontz and Anthony McCoy, and LB Anthony Heygood.

    We’ll have roster needs due to losing some current players in FA:
    OTs Sean Locklear, Ray Willis, Chester Pitts, Tyler Polumbus,
    OG Ben Hamilton (IR),
    Cs Chris Spencer, Chris White,
    RBs Michael Robinson, Leon Washington
    QBs Matt Hasselbeck, J.P. Losman,
    WRs Ruvell Martin, Ben Obomanu, Mike Williams, Isaiah Stanback (IR), Brandon Stokley
    DTs Brandon Mebane, Junior Siavii, Craig Terrill
    DEs Raheem Brock, Jay Richardson,
    OLBs David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Leroy Hill, Matt McCoy,
    CBs Kelly Jennings, Roy Lewis,
    Ss Lawyer Milloy, Jordan Babineaux,
    PK Olindo Mare.

    All these players playing in their contract years, yet this team probably performed in their game today nearly up to the expectations of a disinterested 3rd party (other than Michael Irvin). The only part of the team that’s still performing well is STs. With healthy players, Hawks DL should be good but they still need a more consistent pass rush (depth). That is to the eyes of the fan. The eyes of scouts can see players who fit their teams schemes better, (like JS & PC did with Clemons), and those teams will pay for Hawk players who don’t fit our current schemes particularly well.

    OL has to be the next department that needs major upgrade, both in starters and depth. Hawks need to be able to run-block. If the OL gets blown up and rebuilt (likely) they’ll not be good at run-blocking again in 2011, but at least if they get the right key personnel they’ll be working consistently towards good unit performance. The guys we’ve got now don’t have any kind of consistency, its been musical chairs. But even if they did play week to week with the same players in the same positions I wonder if Hawks have the players they need. They seem to be getting worse rather than better. Are the Hawks gonna develop a clear man/ZB hybrid scheme that the players can own? That will determine the success or failure of he PC & JS regime even before they get Hasselbeck’s replacement.

    Per Rang, 2011 is not very strong in QBs. If Luck comes out he’s probably the 1st pick overall in the draft. Luck is likely the only QB prospect that you could start in NFL games with some expectation of success in his 1st year. Really, none of the other QB prospects look to be NFL-ready. Doesn’t mean one of them won’t get the chance and overachieve – but he won’t be a Peyton Manning.

    Will there be a new CBA or a lockout in 2011? What will the cap be? Can Hawks afford to bring back Mebane, Siavii, Hawthorne, Herring, Hill, Obomanu, Williams, Hasselbeck, Robinson, Washington, Locklear, Willis, Pitts, Polumbus, Spencer, et al, or do the Hawks get ‘blown up’ again next year because other teams will go hard after SEA’s FAs?

    Can Mare even come back next year? Milloy? Stokely? Hamilton? Are they getting ready to retire?

  36. csungrad says:

    1. Who gets your Least Valuable Player?
    GUS BRADLEY

    2. When was the last time you saw a Seahawks get manhandled up front this badly on both sides of the ball?
    OAKLAND

    3. How much does Russell Okung’s ankle issue concern you for this season and moving forward?
    NOT MUCH. HE RETURNED, AND LOOKED OK.

    4. If you could make one personnel change with the players on hand, what would it be?
    START CHRIS BAKER AT TE, AND REPLACE TRU WITH WALTER THURMOND.

    5. Looking at the games ahead, what do you see this team doin?
    8-8. WINS VS CAROLINA, SF & STL. LOSSES VS. ATL & TB.

    6. What was the most frustrating aspect of this loss/team?
    BRADLEY’S FAILURE TO BETTER SCHEME FOR DWAYNE BOWE. THE ONLY WR MATT CASSELL THREW TO ALL DAY!!!!!!!!

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2010/11/28/chiefs-42-seahawks-24-postgame-rants-and-complaints/#ixzz16dMNgRfU

  37. There aren’t many players on KLM’s fa list that I’d want back:

    Priority:
    Matt (no more then a 2 year contract)
    BMW
    Mebane
    Milloy (no more then a 2 year contract)
    Mare

    Possibilities:
    Stokely
    Washington (as a returner)
    Either Hawthorne or Hill

    Real low priority:
    Obamanu is probably an ok 5th receiver, I wouldn’t slot him any higher, though.

    Babineaux is an ok backup.

    Herring is an ok back up

    Any of the OL fa’s would probably be ok as backups, but none of them should be starting. Our only starting quality OL’s are Okung (if he ever stays healthy), Pitts (same) & MAYBE Unger.

    Absolutely no interest in any of the others.

  38. jaybrank says:

    The KC head coach looks like the dude from House. The limp made it complete.

  39. As for free agency, retaining Mebane is a must. Can anyone imagine how much worse today would have been if he wasn’t playing? And, yes, it could have been worse. He is not a superstar, but he is a great dirty work type of guy who can penetrate and stuff the run. Even if he doesn’t have much in pass rush ability, he still pushes the pocket, and that’s pretty darn important too. We need to add more to the DL and that’s assuming he’s with us moving forward. Without him, we’re really screwed on the DL. We need to keep our own good young players. We may not have as many as we’d like, but we need to keep our own and Mebane is definitely a priority.

  40. 1. Who gets your Least Valuable Player? Deon Butler. That guy couldn’t catch a cold swimming naked in the Bering Sea. Any chance we could trade him to the idiot who drafted him–Ruskell?

    2. When was the last time you saw a Seahawks get manhandled up front this badly on both sides of the ball? Giants and Raiders games.

    3. How much does Russell Okung’s ankle issue concern you for this season and moving forward? I wonder if he should be named “Cinderella” because he apparently walks around on two glass slippers.

    4. If you could make one personnel change with the players on hand, what would it be? Bring back Red Bryant!

    5. Looking at the games ahead, what do you see this team doin? 3-2, I hope.

    6. What was the most frustrating aspect of this loss/team? Some of the worst officiating since Super Bowl XL.

  41. We’ll have roster needs due to losing some current players in FA:
    OTs Sean Locklear, Ray Willis, Chester Pitts, Tyler Polumbus,
    OG Ben Hamilton (IR),
    Cs Chris Spencer, Chris White,
    RBs Michael Robinson, Leon Washington
    QBs Matt Hasselbeck, J.P. Losman,
    WRs Ruvell Martin, Ben Obomanu, Mike Williams, Isaiah Stanback (IR), Brandon Stokley
    DTs Brandon Mebane, Junior Siavii, Craig Terrill
    DEs Raheem Brock, Jay Richardson,
    OLBs David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Leroy Hill, Matt McCoy,
    CBs Kelly Jennings, Roy Lewis,
    Ss Lawyer Milloy, Jordan Babineaux,
    PK Olindo Mare.

    I personally think Willis, Spencer, Pitts, Obomanu, Williams, Stokely, and Milloy are high priority players that will either be cut loose or signed to a medium paying contract.

    I think Washington, Hasselbeck, Unger, Mebane and Hawthorne will for sure be attempted to be resigned, and Hill and Losman let go. Washington likely will want to go somewhere where he’s more than a backup RB/KR.

    Mare stepped in and filled Brown’s shoes quite well. I hate Josh Brown. Mare better be under contract till he’s 43.

    STL won’t beat SEA @ Qwest.

    It’s hard to entertain the idea of resigning some of our awful o-lineman when there’s ones like gaither, mangold, kalil, colledge etc coming out as free agents.

    Call me biased, but I think Mebane is just as good as any of the FA lineman coming out this offseason. Jenkins, Jolly, or Aubrayo Franklin wouldn’t be a bad sight to line up beside Mebane.

    Let jennings go and bring in johnathan joseph, or cromartie, and maybe we can have some play makers in the secondary.

    Shaun Ellis would be a nice addition at DE, and they’re too buried in FA to really target him.

  42. adamtoth says:

    1. Who gets your Least Valuable Player? Jeremy Bates, and Pete Carroll.

    The play calling was the most boring and predictable I’ve ever seen. I kept seeing the same play run over and over again. Two wide, one slot, with Forsett offset next to Hasselbeck. If they mixed it up, it was only to run Forsett out wide also, and then motion him right back next to Hass. The int to Stokely was in this formation and was bloody obvious after we’d run it ten times already.

    What happened to the bunch formations we saw earlier in the year? What happened to two/three back sets? End arounds? Misdirection plays?

    I also question the coaching decisions. There were a couple things that needed to be challenged and weren’t. And then I was totally scratching my head why we didn’t go for a two pt conversion after our late touchdown. If we converted, we were then only down 10 pts, touchdown and fg. If we didn’t, it was still a two touchdown game anyway. And is Carroll the worst coach ever in 4th and short situations? 4th and inches and a long pass??? WTF?

  43. My take on the 4th & short long pass is someone forgot that Mike Williams wasn’t playing today. BMW would have easily caught that ball.

  44. All in all
    Here is who I think doesn’t need to be changed.

    Clemons, Cole, Mebane, Bryant, all can contibute on the DL but they need someone better or of equal quality to push them/give them a rest.

    I think our entire LB core needs to be turned over in the next 3 years. They are not the stong point of this team any more – decent role players, but you need playmakers at LB – who is that person?

    The only DB that is, right now, going to contribute for sure long term right now . . . . okay is there one? Milloy – great player at the end of his run. Thomas, Started well but teams have figured him out – he was bouncing off of WR’s today. Thurmond – still getting beat BADLY on some plays. like 5-7 yards off the guy – oh wait isn’t that how these guys are coached?

    Offense:
    You keep Okung and ????? Pitts is a good fill in, Unger – who knows – Spencer hiked the ball early today TWICE – how does the center not know the snap count.

    WR – I think you have 2 keepers – OBO, Williams,
    RB – I think we can live with who we have if we can keep them and actually block
    TE- isn’t this scary to say but this might actually be the deepest part of our team. You have 3 or 4 guys who can contribute someway to the team.

    QB – Matt can handle another few years until we can get the new guy in here. I don’t think Charlie is the guy we can count on – I hope I am wrong so that we can have one less player to replace.

    By my count that is like 15-18 players we can keep and compete with!!! Is that more than we had last year? I am not sure.

    We are still a LONG way off from being competetive. even STL the last few years didn’t lose -MULTIPLE GAMES – but 20+ points – They didn’t even show up to play today!!!!!

  45. 2. Last time I saw the Seahawks manhandled like this? Lets see, at Oakland, vs. New York… we’re lucky we’ve been able to prey on Arizona for a couple of our wins.

    3. If I had known Okung came in bubblewrap, maybe I’d think twice at the tackle I wanted. But this isn’t something you could scout- he was healthy in college. It’s just the way it goes. He’s no Greg Oden, no, but I’m afraid he won’t be able to put a 16, or hell even 18, game schedule in completely. And I’m really looking for continuity with this Seahawk offensive line. There’s been a lot of turnover over the years at that spot.

    I expect more from Earl Thomas in coverage. I don’t think he’s playing well, does seem to follow his assignments in coverages and is late on a lot of plays. I’m sure it’s just growing pains, and sometimes I need to remind myself of that. Every team in the NFC West maxes out at 5 wins in a real division.

    I’m afraid of what a playoff birth would look like. Considering what this team has been through, and as much as I love Hasselbeck, this team will get ROLLED in the postseason. Whoever represents the West will. Maybe Troy Smith and the Niners get back in it, but when you look at the potential 5 seeds, it boils down to New York, New Orleans, Green Bay. That’s a slaughter…

    Of course I want to anticipate a postseason game at Qwest, and I hope it happens, but there’s a lot of work to be done on this team. We are still re-building, so lets just enjoy the ride?

  46. That loss hurt, but it is more disturbing to see “fan” reactions. The playoffs are a real, tangible goal. If you’d rather see the sheep in there and not win and succeed then what the hell are you doing following this team? You’re hoping to save face in the “Any given sunday” league where really any team can beat any team (see Bears and Chargers). Bizarre. I hate the sheep and to see ‘Hawk fans advocating for rolling over this season is offensive. Screw you.

    Anyhow…

    1. Cole, Williams, Red and every other player on the sideline (in the game I concur with Jennings and Butler).

    2. Unfortunately, you don’t have to have much of a memory for this one…

    3. I’m not that type of doc, but I believe that the people writing his paycheck are well aware of it when they put him out each week.

    4. Thurmond over Jennings. Jennings just sucks. It is well established now. (and yet the FO traded JW)

    5. Competing for the division and winning it!!

    6. Many things ail…poor tackling, easy catches dropped, Hass’ turnovers, more poor tackling, flashes of greatness / false hope, the inability to prepare for one of the hottest receivers in the NFL, impotent run (since SA and a good line)…

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2010/11/28/chiefs-42-seahawks-24-postgame-rants-and-complaints/#ixzz16eErOGSY

  47. 1. Who gets your Least Valuable Player?

    O-line for awful run-blocking, Hasselbeck for turnovers, Butler for drops, Bates for the worst 4th & 1 call we have had in a few seasons (Tate is not Mike Williams, and fade routes to 5-10 guys aren’t a great idea).

    2. When was the last time you saw a Seahawks get manhandled up front this badly on both sides of the ball?

    A couple of weeks ago against the Raiders? Or against the Giants? It’s definitely become a trend (esp. on D) since the annual injury epidemic hit.

    3. How much does Russell Okung’s ankle issue concern you for this season and moving forward?

    I think Big Russ needs to have somebody else tape his ankles.

    4. If you could make one personnel change with the players on hand, what would it be?

    What can be done? As inconsistent as Hasselbeck has been, he still gives us a better chance to win than Whitehurst right now. Injuries have decimated both lines, so not many changes can be made there. I can’t fault the defense for the end result today, since the offense did NOTHING to help them out.

    5. Looking at the games ahead, what do you see this team doing?

    Winning against Carolina next week, and after that all bets are off. I think 7-9 is a very real possibility. Today’s loss was huge.

    6. What was the most frustrating aspect of this loss/team?

    Lack of toughness/intensity/aggression/fight in the offensive line. Each one of those guys is over 300 pounds, and it would be really nice to see them decide that enough is enough and actually get pissed and block somebody and open up some holes. There were a few plays today where the D-line almost beat the RB to the hand-off. That’s unacceptable.

  48. yellaman says:

    1. Who gets your Least Valuable Player?

    The hawks defense was horrible they couldn’t get off the field. especially the front 7 they knew the chiefs were the #1 rushing team and they couldn’t stop them and everybody in the stands knew that Bowe was the only WR the chiefs were throwing to but we still couldn’t cover him .

    2. When was the last time you saw a Seahawks get manhandled up front this badly on both sides of the ball?

    Huh the last home game when the giants were here

    3. How much does Russell Okung’s ankle issue concern you for this season and moving forward?

    big concern this team needs help up front with 2-3 more positions filled on the offensive line

    4. If you could make one personnel change with the players on hand, what would it be?

    move andrews to RT cut locklear find a RG

    5. Looking at the games ahead, what do you see this team doin?

    need to shore up run defense and find some kind of running game to relieve pressure on the passing game

    6. What was the most frustrating aspect of this loss/team?

    Inability to stop the run in games lately which doesn’t help our pass defense ranked #30 in the league so we need to be able to stop the run and force teams into 3rd and long situations but the chiefs were in managable 3rd & shorts all day long and we couldn’t stop them even if we knew what they were going to do either run the ball or throw to bowe (everybody in the stands knew that bowe was getting the ball in passing situations and we still couldn’t stop them.)

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/#ixzz16gXBwTAN

  49. letsworkitout says:

    They will win only one more game the rest of the season. They will finish 6-10 and 3rd or 4th in the NFC West. Too bad they peaked in mid season. sheesh

  50. irrationalexuberance says:

    Hmm interesting comments……..

    Seems to be the Rams are contenders primarily because of Sam Bradford.
    The Cardinals arent contenders because they lost Kurt Warner
    The 9ers would be contenders perhaps if they started Troy Smith and maybe they still are.

    So those are clearly things that set the tone for a teams offensive efforts, I dont know why we overlook the obvious, we need a new QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is what will jump start this offense that has potential to be explosive when the QB can do more than sit in the pocket and throw. Hasslebeck created sacks yesterday because of his bad decision making and his lack of athleticism. You can only expect the defense to do some much while the offense runs the 3-and-out marathon.

    As I posted on the game thread yesterday….we have seen that our QB cant bring the team back to a victory therefore it time to change personnel, definitely in the offseason.

  51. “So those are clearly things that set the tone for a teams offensive efforts, I dont know why we overlook the obvious, we need a new QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    Right. That would have solved everything yesterday. Is our new athletic QB also going to play D-Line and CB?

  52. ruminator1 says:

    it is hard to point out a single player. i was especially displeased with trufant, jennings, the defensive line, butler. the offensive line, a mediocre Hass.

    the poor line play i have come to expect. i do not think we have the talent on either side, especially the OL. but what i hate is the terrible pass coverage and the arm tackling and bumping instead of finite tackling. all season long i have witnessed the attemtps to bring ball carriers or receivers down by bumping them or waving arms at them. this is awful and it has happened throughout the season. trufant especially guilty in my opinion, but he sure is not alone.

    i also think the play calling is poor on both sides. little imagination, very predictable. what is the sense of sending lynch into a stacked defense. he looks like JJ except JJ collapsed when he was hit. lynch at least keeps trying. we have small backs and a weak line. while there may be occasional squirts thru by JF or lynch or washington (can’t they find a way to use him more?), we are not a run team and we will not be one.
    and similarly, if a 3rd and long call is going to have to be made, maybe it would be a good idea NOT to throw to carlson? how many failures have we had from that connection? and all the recent criticism of branch (who was having a decent year here) should show us something: branch has a quarterback who is accurate, has time, and doesn’t get flustered. we do not. i think brady would have a ball with tate for example.

    on defense, they made a decision which angered quite a few when they got rid of wilson. look at what he has done in Baltimore (which has a good defense) given up touchdowns and long passes. PC and staff decided to keep Jennings. i would have sent them both away. people here seem to love milloy when he is rushing and hanging around the line. but i think someone younger and faster would be in the secondary more than he is. (i don’t expect many to agree with that)

    when they play 6 back on defense, why can’t one of those guys stay close to a receiver? we play so far off the ball that we rarely prevent completions. we seem to play prevent defense but i am not sure what we are preventing.

    i have not soured on PC though i wish he had a different OC and DC. i liked the draft, have high hopes for next year with another good draft and significant weeding. but this is not the miracle team some saw in the months leading up to preseason. it has done well at times, surprised us at times. but its weaknesses are glaring. if we had a true QB project, i’d say bring him in now, at lerast give him a lot of time. maybe zac was such a player. i don’t think CW is.

    given that we don’t have a run game, shouldn’t our offense be pass pass pass? and if it should can Hass do that? Green Bay has that kind of offense (but they also have balance in that their D is good). we have a situation where the qb has little time, gets rattled, throws interceptions, his receivers drop very catchable balls, he over throws targets. so when he is :on” he looks great but he isn’t “on” very often.
    i do not think the Hawks will win this division. st louis a better team and SF may be. but i think that would be good for this year. (as others have pointed out)
    i would be interested in more stuff like Kim wrote–what do people think this team needs in order of priority? who do we keep, who goes.

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