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Raiders 33, Seahawks 3 — postgame commisseration thread

Post by Ryan Divish on Oct. 31, 2010 at 4:24 pm with 55 Comments »
October 31, 2010 4:31 pm
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This was not what anyone expected. Maybe the Raiders are better than we thought, and the Hawks aren’t nearly as good as we hoped. The game was truly awful to watch. Painful.

All of the momentum and anticipation for this game seemed to disappear almost immediately when the Oakland defensive front absolutely manhandled the Seahawks offensive line from the first series.

Nothing went right for the Seahawks. They couldn’t convert on third down. Olindo Mare missed two early field goals. Mike Williams was nonexistent and had a huge drop. And the defense made a couple big mistakes in an otherwise decent game.

And then there were injuries to Red Bryant, Tyler Polumbus, Colin Cole and Golden Tate.

1. How surprised were you with the way the Seahawks played today? Was in unreasonable to expect a win?

2. Has this team taken a step back in your mind?

3. Who gets your LVP — least valuable performer — for this game?

4. If the Seahawks were physically manhandled by Oakland, how bad could it be against the Giants?

5. Do fans and to some extent the media, overestimate how good this team really is at times?

6. How much have injuries played a part in these struggles?

7. With the injury issues and today’s performance, how has this changed your expectations of this team and it’s standing in the NFC West?

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  1. LVP = entire offensive line.

  2. longco44 says:

    LVP…. Seattle Seahawks as a whole!!!

  3. 1. Quite surprised, I wasn’t expecting a win, I hoped we could pull it off, but I did certainly not expect this horrorshow.

    2. I think so, Matt played good football with what he had (that is, no O-line and receivers that couldn’t catch the ball)

    3. The entire offense, except for Matt, but especially the O-line.

    4. Don’t even go there, at least Kiwanuka is on IR, but so far, it’s not looking good.

    5. I don’t think so, they show flashes of what we make them out to be, but they are still a “young” team, they aren’t consistent at all, which is the biggest problem.

    6. A fairly big part, but it wasn’t the reason we lost, we played horrible, we need Okung and Mebane back, they seem to be the soul on both the lines.

    7. Depends on the seriousness of the injuries, but right now, I would have to say yes, but I still think we can make a playoff run, we just have to get healthy and win the division games.

    Now, I’ll finish my beer, pinch a tear, and head to bed.

  4. I was not surprised in the least. I said here repeatedly that I did not think the Seahawks could run the ball without Okung. I still don’t think they can, and without getting the running game and play action going, our pass offense doesn’t stand a chance.

    Okung was dominant against Chicago and start of the Cards game. I look forward to getting him back soon. Things will start looking up soon, I think. Once Okung and Pitts are side-by-side and healthy, I think we will soon have a very good O line.

  5. Also, am I the only one who have noticed that Trufant seems to slip quite a lot? He did it at least one time in this game, and I remember a few times in other games as well, especially the Chicago one.

  6. usuckbananas says:

    LVP= The entire offense except Hasselbeck. He looked like the only dude that was trying to win.

  7. Dukeshire says:

    1. How surprised were you with the way the Seahawks played today? Was in unreasonable to expect a win? No. I can’t decide if I’m more surprised how badly they played (missed tackles, dropped balls, etc…) or how badly Oakland simply pushed them around.

    2. Has this team taken a step back in your mind? Yes. Anytime you play that undisciplined it is a step back.

    3. Who gets your LVP — least valuable performer — for this game? This was a team effort to play this badly.

    4. If the Seahawks were physically manhandled by Oakland, how bad could it be against the Giants? It’s a new week and they’re coming home. The injuries however could be crippling.

    5. Do fans and to some extent the media, overestimate how good this team really is at times? Of course. Wins do that.

    6. How much have injuries played a part in these struggles? Some; Okung and Mebane down can’t be underestimated. But that doesn’t explain / excuse drops, penalties, missed tackles.

    7. With the injury issues and today’s performance, how has this changed your expectations of this team and it’s standing in the NFC West? Maybe. If Red and Mebane are out for a significant period and the o line injuries keep mounting, they are in trouble.

  8. freedom_X says:

    I’m in Las Vegas so I could only bits of the game from the sports book. But – the offensive line was as bad as the bits I saw (and the stats) implied, then.

    That was why St. Louis mopped them up too. Not sure why the line is so bad on the road. I didn’t expect them to be great, but it sounds like they played abysmally.

  9. I’m still IN.

    No excuses intended but every possible bounce was bad for us and good for the Raiders. That said, I think this game also showed just how valuable Okung is to our team. Then top it all off the injuries today are a killer.

    As with all seasons there is an ebb and flow to them and sometime you gotta avoid getting too high or too low. Let’s just do our best to forget about this one, heal up, and prepare for a VERY tough Giant’s team next week.

  10. jaybrank says:

    Simple math. Recievers that can’t catch + Line that can’t block = Loss

  11. irrationalexuberance says:

    Dissappointment = Offense and always will be. This offense hasnt been good since 2007.

    I wonder how many games do people expect the defense to force 3-5 turnovers and have 3-6 sacks or Int’s.

    At some point your offense has to win a game and the only game they won was in Chicago. All other games have been strong defensive effort.

    I cant fault the defense they played 75% of the game because the consistent 3 in outs and 1 for still counting on 3rd down.

    I cant put this game on Hasslebeck as much as I want to he had some questionable throws but the WRs didnt make any plays that stood except Mike Williams only to drop a crucial pass later that drive.

    Bottom line as long as # 8 is QB I expect much of the same. Not putting up more than 17 pts a game without huge defensive turnovers or Ints. The playcalling was alot more aggressive today than in previous games but the chemistry wasnt there and the deep throws werent really that good.

    The WRs really showed their inexperience today. I did like what I saw out of Golden Tate but now is the time where you wish you had Branch or Housh to make some clutch catches.

  12. LVP= tie between O-line and all coaches involved with the offense (except for Alex Gibbs).

  13. hawkforever21 says:

    2011 Draft-

    Rnd 1 OL
    Rnd 2 OL
    Rnd 4 OL
    Rnd 5 OL

    The rest of the draft try and grab some QB project, or some DB projects.

    This team has some talent, but the OLine has to get better.

  14. nidhighe says:

    Depending on how bad the injuries are, we could go into next week’s game with Clemons the only regular starter left on the D-line, and possibly our 3rd starting LT of the season.

    –Danielle

  15. “Bottom line as long as # 8 is QB I expect much of the same. Not putting up more than 17 pts a game without huge defensive turnovers or Ints. The playcalling was alot more aggressive today than in previous games but the chemistry wasnt there and the deep throws werent really that good.”

    I’m just curious – what exactly did you expect #8 to do? Zero running game. Terrible pass protection. And the long balls – well, did you see open receivers running free? No. So he did what was available threw some ball up giving his receivers a chance to make a play. And how many plays did they make for the team today?

    Overall, I’m not going to go crazy over this loss. There were a couple points in the game – at 13-0, at 16-0, where we had a chance to make a game of it – and things just went crazy/unlucky against us. Their deflection catch, and their deflection pick, the BMW drop of the easy TD pass – when those things happen you know it’s not your day. All that isn’t to say that the Raiders didn’t beat us down – they did. But as bizarre as it sounds now, if we were to play them at home a few weeks down the road (and yeah, if we had Okung & Mebane back) – I still feel like it would be anyone’s game.

    Re-group time. I just wish we didn’t have such a tough match-up next week. Can’t see how we’re going to beat the Giants.

  16. GriffinNW says:

    The Giants are all around better than Oakland in my opinion, next week will be ugly, even at home.

    Offensive line is can’t get it done. Hass questionable pass choices, WR drops. Offense just doesn’t have what it takes to get it done. It relies to heavily on the D, and eventually, like today, the D just wont save us, and it’s gonna make for some bad games.

    If the Cardinals would stop starting that Hall kid, they could take this division. They looked much better than Seattle. Few weeks away they will realize Anderson is their best bet, and they’ll be much harder to stop.

    Things really do look dark, bad loss aside.

  17. I missed the very end – what was Cole’s injury?

  18. 1. How surprised were you with the way the Seahawks played today? Was in unreasonable to expect a win?

    I was surprised, as I thought we had finally turned the corner with our road woes after Chicago. It should NEVER be unreasonable to expect a wing against a team with what, 7 straight 12-loss seasons?

    2. Has this team taken a step back in your mind?

    On the road, yes. I didn’t see any intensity, and there was definitely a lack of focus.

    3. Who gets your LVP — least valuable performer — for this game?

    Whew…how about the entire offensive line? No push in the running game, horrible pass protection. An honorable mention goes out to the receiving corps, who had numerous opportunities to make plays and didn’t get it done.

    4. If the Seahawks were physically manhandled by Oakland, how bad could it be against the Giants?

    5. Do fans and to some extent the media, overestimate how good this team really is at times?

    To SOME extent the media? Get real. Seattle is great at home, lousy on the road, and needs certain things to happen (i.e. winning the turnover battle) to be successful.

    6. How much have injuries played a part in these struggles?

    Okung being out shouldn’t play much part, since he missed 5 weeks earlier in the year. Injuries have nothing to do with wideouts dropping balls or not making plays downfield. I think Hasselback played pretty well today, considering the drops/pass protection/no running game.

    7. With the injury issues and today’s performance, how has this changed your expectations of this team and it’s standing in the NFC West?

    Very little. I still think they will win the NFC West, probably at 8-8 or 9-7. It looks like the Rams (I can’t believe I am typing this) will be the biggest threat, because they are the only other team in the division with a legitimate NFL quarterback. If we can take care of business at home we’ll be fine.

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2010/10/31/raiders-xxx-seahawks-3-postgame-comisseration-thread/#comments#ixzz13z9AzbWB

  19. Dukeshire says:

    I’m not sure. He limped off gingerly but without assistance. My guess is an ankle.

  20. Woops, forgot about #4. The Giants game could get ugly, but the 12th man will be there in force, which always helps. Eli Manning has a tendency to turn the ball over, and that will be the key.

  21. I am glad we lost, and will lose next week, as well. I think a few wins and we all forgot about how many holes we have on this team. We need a few more draft and free agents before we are in any real contention. So a few more loses and we will draft in a very good spot. Remember, Pete and John can do magic come the draft day.

    As far as the NFC West goes, it belongs to Rams until we get a few more players.

  22. “As far as the NFC West goes, it belongs to Rams until we get a few more players.”

    I don’t think that’s a given – we are missing a few guys who have proved to be more key than I though.

    And it’s clear that we are still much, much better at home (as is most of the league btw).

    First bad game of the year by Earl – and not just on the DHB long pass and run – but I noticed a few distinct times when he was hesitant to get his nose in there on physical running plays.

    Curry was a zero today too – I’m starting to share some of the frustration re the guy that others have noted here.

  23. bulldog80 says:

    “I am glad we lost” You’re a moron-

    This game wasn’t a surprise, I knew the Raiders were playing well. Our offense continues to play bad. We still have no answer for pressure straight up the middle. Where’s the seam passes? Where are the screens and draws? I’ve generally liked Bates playcalling but you have to have some plays to deal with superior pressure.

    Our receivers showed today that they’re not ready for primetime. Other than some LW returns this was an altogether horrible showing.

  24. bulldog80 says:

    I’m finally starting to agree with all of the Curry is a bust stuff.

  25. “Our receivers showed today that they’re not ready for primetime.”

    Yeah, very true. The O-line was terrible – but there was the oppty for our guys to make some plays – never happened.

    And you’re right – why didn’t we try a couple screen passes against all that pressure? Seems like a logical thing to do.

  26. freedom_X says:

    Completely disagree with wanting the team to lose to improve draft position. This isn’t the NBA, where you need to tank to get a franchise player to turn things around.

    As long as Seattle has a full complement of picks in the upper rounds, they can get players. St Louis, Kansas City, and Tampa Bay have tons of holes, but no fan of theirs would want their teams to tank to get a higher draft pick.

    In fact, you can find major holes in all but one or two teams in the league. It’s more valuable for the team to perform well, to show that they are absorbing the system, becoming more competitive, and weeding out any losing spirit they’ve picked up the past few years.

    No team is going to get enough high draft picks to completely replace the entire roster. If the front office hits on enough mid and low picks, that will be enough. There’s no justifying tanking games in the NFL to get a higher pick.

    Only near the end of the season, when they’re out of playoff contention, would I rather them lose a game or two, and even then, I hope it’s because they’re playing inexperienced talent to set the stage for next year, instead of just flat losing due to incompetence.

  27. The Seahawks haven’t lost this bad against the Raiders in something like 55 games. That span encompasses some bad Seahawks teams and some great Raiders teams. The Seahawks haven’t loss this many road games by over 20 points over a 3 year span ever. It’s historically bad, but we are fooled into thinking it’s better because this division is horrendous with stiffs like Max Hall, Derek Anderson, Alex Smith and whoever the Rams throw in at QB.

    Could this be the beginning of a 5 game losing streak? At some point the cheap turnovers from bad QBs and great special teams field position will run out.

  28. irrationalexuberance says:

    pdway,

    I expect a franchise QB gettting paid 8-10 million this season, to give his team a shot to win. I have seen enough of this blame everyone but anyone who really studies football knows that an offense is only good as their QB.

    The playcalling of is what I like to call prevent offense.

    1st down. 3-5 yd pass
    2nd Run for little to no gain
    3rd launch the ball down the field or over the sideline for an incomplete pass
    4 down. Punt

    The offense coordinator clearly has no trust in Hasslebeck abilities, he is treating him like a rookie “dont lose the game for us”.

    I cant say if the extent of the offensive woes are Hasslebeck problem, nor will I try to, I am saying that # 8 is responsible for 90% of the turnovers, the no deep threat, and no real offensive threat without relying on your RBs.

    Bottom line I expect to see this same offense week in and week out. Hasslebeck is a liability to the team not a strength. Perhaps in another system he could be this pro bowl QB everyone thinks he is, Seneca Wallace is doing good in Cleveland but in Pete Carrol system its not going to work. You need a leader in the locker room and on the field and Hasslebeck has proven he is on the locker room leader.

    Im not the only one who thinks this, go to ESPN game thread or the NFL.com.

    No team is perfect so lets stop looking at Seattle imperfection as a reason one player has played average to horrible the last 20 starts.

  29. It’s amazing that people don’t see a QB that needs a 5 second, perfect pocket just to consistently complete a 7 yard pass over the middle and how damaging that is to the entire team.

  30. yellaman says:

    1. How surprised were you with the way the Seahawks played today? Was in unreasonable to expect a win?

    The offense’s ineptitude was surprising. The Defense gave the the offense a chance to make a move through 3 qtrs.

    2. Has this team taken a step back in your mind?

    After today’s loss must rethink team goals and possible personnel; example WR corp

    3. Who gets your LVP — least valuable performer — for this game?

    without a don’t the offensive line, from the beginning of the game hass and lynch had no opportunities to make plays

    4. If the Seahawks were physically manhandled by Oakland, how bad could it be against the Giants?

    Giants front 4 might kill Hasselbeck

    5. Do fans and to some extent the media, overestimate how good this team really is at times?

    I think the fans and media alike see this team making progress and are looking for a light at the end of the tunnel, but it is going to take some time before this ship has rebounded from some previous years poor personnel moves. The Offensive line in particular is horrific at times and WR corp is not helping Hass by making plays in the passing game

    6. How much have injuries played a part in these struggles?

    I feel injuries have hurt this team in the sense of getting Okung playing time to grow as a LT, I think Max Unger being out has hurt his possibility of taking over for spencer at Center and I don’t see a replacement for Locklear happening this year. Counting on Pitts is a question mark and Andrews should probably be this teams RT and Polumbus is a journeyman LT at best. The Offensive line probably wont be better until next year when the right personnel move can be made

    7. With the injury issues and today’s performance, how has this changed your expectations of this team and it’s standing in the NFC West?

    Hawks can still win the NFC west – the division will be won by either the hawks or Rams. Could come down to the Jan 2 game against the rams at qwest

  31. I did not want the team to lose. I said I am glad they lost because I know this team is not good enough. If you look at the games they’ve won, every win has come because of defense, special team, 12th man, or pure luck. You can not win like that the whole season. Poor teams can not win on the road consistently. Do you remember the Bronco’s last year.

    Now, watch how quickly we are going to lose games starting with the Giants next week, then Arizona, and New Orleans.

    Having high draft picks will give Pete and John to move down and pickup additional picks. Therefore, reducing the time it would take to rebuild this team. Whether you like it or not, the Seahawks are not good enough to win many games and it will show, starting next week.

  32. 1. How surprised were you with the way the Seahawks played today? Was in unreasonable to expect a win?

    No – it wasn’t unreasonable but it wasn’t expected either.

    2. Has this team taken a step back in your mind?

    Huge step back because we have no depth – Injuries are going to REALLY hamper the rest of the season

    3. Who gets your LVP — least valuable performer — for this game?

    Too many to list but the least of which is the Offensive line!!!

    4. If the Seahawks were physically manhandled by Oakland, how bad could it be against the Giants?

    I don’t even want to think – if we don’t have Mebane, Bryant, Okung, Polumbus, Jennings, and Thurmond we are in a world of hurt!

    5. Do fans and to some extent the media, overestimate how good this team really is at times?
    I don’t think so, I think the total change in FO/coaches/players/Line ups etc is going to make this team have issues like this. and even though we had all that crap go on today 1 catch by williams, and a tackle instead of attempt at an INT on 2 different plays would of had us at like 13-7 or 13-10 and thinking totally different about this game (but we didn’t get those so. . . )

    6. How much have injuries played a part in these struggles?

    HUGE, HUGE, HUGE – all teams have injury issues but we don’t have the cohesiveness of many teams nor the depth to cover those injuries. and the fact that many of the injuries are in the same positions (i.e. if jenning OR Thurmond were out it would be troublesome – both out is a HUGE issue)

    7. With the injury issues and today’s performance, how has this changed your expectations of this team and it’s standing in the NFC West?

    I do not expect us to win the division with all the injuries we have – I don’t see how we can. I still think we are going to struggle to get to 8-8 but long term I am VERY excited about where this team is heading.

    Let’s just hope that the owners and the union pull their collective heads out and get this figured out but neither side really seems to want to do anything do they!

  33. It’s amazing to see that people don’t see that nobody on the seahawks thinks there is a better option on the team right now so it doesn’t matter if the QB’s can’t make the plays. With all the mistakes you really think they wouldn’t have made a switch in a few of these games if they thought they could get ANYTHING out of the other guy on the roster?

    I mean Nate Ness played a ton today – in 1 on 1 schemes – you can’t tell me that was the first choice of things to do but they did it anyway showing that have at least some confidence in what he can do.

  34. montanahawk says:

    1. Expected a win. Maybe I was a bit naive. Maybe wishful thinking. Thought they could pull it off despite all the injuries….

    2. Lack lus ter… that’s how I describe the entire team. With the exception of Leon, Forsett, or Lynch…. Oh..Carlson: 2 for 2 & Stokely..can’t fault them…

    3. LVP- Collectively… O-line

    4. I think they were thinking ahead to the Giants…. There had to be some kind of distraction. what the F…. I’m not sure what team showed up for the game
    today???

    5. Is it safe to say?.. Imagine how good this team would be with all cylinders firing? Man…. It sucks to be a loyal fan… always living with what could be…?

    6. Huge

    7. Keep hoping someone will step up… Injuries are huge though. Just goes to show how much impact they have had.

    Montanahawk wife.

  35. Raiders destroy us, Niners beat Raiders, Broncos beat us, Niners beat Broncos, we beat Niners, Raiders beat Broncos ( really bad). Injuries & mistakes happen, but we’re in the NFC west- we are in it to the end with a shot at the title, something many of us could have never imagined going into this season

  36. Dukeshire says:

    Apparently Hass suffered a concussion today and Bryant’s knee was in a brace and he was on crutches. Bryant could be a very big loss. He’s played such an important role and very well.

  37. 1. How surprised were you with the way the Seahawks played today? Was in unreasonable to expect a win?

    I didn’t expect this, though I went into the game concerned about the injuries.

    2. Has this team taken a step back in your mind?

    No

    3. Who gets your LVP — least valuable performer — for this game?

    Locklear

    4. If the Seahawks were physically manhandled by Oakland, how bad could it be against the Giants?

    Depends on the injury situation.

    5. Do fans and to some extent the media, overestimate how good this team really is at times?

    Yes

    6. How much have injuries played a part in these struggles?

    Huge.

    7. With the injury issues and today’s performance, how has this changed your expectations of this team and it’s standing in the NFC West?

    Uncertain. The entire division sucks.

  38. IF IF IF IF Okung ever gets & stays healthy, is Pitts going to be the left guard or the right tackle?

  39. Apparently Hass suffered a concussion today

    I really expected PC to pull Matt earlier then he did for health reasons. IMO, Matt should have been pulled no later then when it got to 23-3.

  40. Looks to me like hass will now be lowest rated starting qb in nfl, with the lowest yards per attempt. Lots of factors here but this is what we have. These two stats are very telling to me. I dont expect to be able to move the ball at all against top defenses any time soon and unless a change is made it will be very easy to game plan against our current offense. I think we need to stretch the field more and use the pass to set up the run. This will take a more mobile,rugged, and stronger armed QB. go hawks

  41. GriffinNW says:

    CYRREEN-

    I actually see/agree with a lot of stuff you’re saying.
    This team/offense leans too hard on the D, ST, turnovers, and eventually, when we play better teams, those aren’t going to be there, and this offense is just gonna stall, like it has been doing.
    The upcoming schedule doesn’t look good for us. I don’t expect us to get lucky and face Max Hall again, and on the road….well we know what can easily happen with this team.
    The higher draft picks/trading down and gaining more is a solid point. I don’t think anyone can argue how well Pete and JS worked this past draft, can only imagine they’d stay just as active.

    This season feels like last years Mariners season. Got off to an unexpected/hot start, and people seemed to forget we were in a transition/rebuild mode, and freaked out when

  42. drmossguy says:

    Is any of this really that surprising? At the end of the season, last year, we all would have been happy to be so disappointed today. We would be happy to be in a position to be 4-3. The problems facing this team are not going anywhere, soon. Certainly not in one season. There are plenty of teams that can find ways to win with a few injuries, and Seattle has not been one of them for as long as I can remember. This is not a playoff year and never has been; the Hawks, as much as I love em, are not that good yet. When so many key positions are such a question mark from game to game (QB, OL, to name two) why do any of you put so much on this team? It’s ridiculous.

  43. GriffinNW says:

    and people freaked out when the team slowed down.
    Well, injuries are gonna slow this team down even more than just bad play.

  44. BobbyAyala says:

    Pathetic showing.

    I hate Tim Ruskell and is total inability to evaluate and acquire offensive line talent.

    In one day I saw the center throw his own man into the QB for a sack, two left tackles get abused like a down syndrome kid at a bully convention, and a right guard training to become a bull fighter.

    It’s a bad, bad, bad, bad day when Sean Locklear looks like the Pro Bowler of the bunch.

    Pathetic.

    If each member of that O-Line doesn’t take a long, hard look in the mirror and man up, this season is over.

  45. “I expect a franchise QB gettting paid 8-10 million this season, to give his team a shot to win. I have seen enough of this blame everyone but anyone who really studies football knows that an offense is only good as their QB.”

    I’ll agree that a QB gets the lion’s share of praise in good times, and the criticism in bad. I watched the game today – and I think my question still stands – what was he suppoed to do today? QB rating may be terrible – but i watched the game, and under the circumstances, I thought he played ok. He put a lot of long passes in good places today – and the whole game was under duress.

    Look, I’ll grant you that there are QBs, who under the same conditions he was under today, would still have big games. But I think there’s like 5 of them in the league. And nobody’s trading them. That’s all I’m saying.

  46. BobbyAyala says:

    “I am glad we lost, and will lose next week, as well.”

    It’s more important to be right than to win football games for CYREEN.

    Don’t know what’s more pathetic, Chris Spencer’s ability to pick up and handle a blitz, or the statement above.

  47. BobbyAyala says:

    If you blame Hasselbeck for anything in this game, you’re searching for reasons to blame him.

    Hasselbeck did nothing wrong.

  48. BobbyAyala says:

    “Look, I’ll grant you that there are QBs, who under the same conditions he was under today, would still have big games…”

    Who?

    Maybe if Jesus himself came back and suited up, then yes.

    No quarterback, no matter how talented, can make plays without protection and open receivers.

    You can’t blame anyone but the five fat wastes-of-space up front for this loss.

  49. Peyton Manning might have made the score 33-17. He would not have won the game for us. Hass did fine. In fact, he proved that he still has the ability to make good throws.

  50. We are not a playoff team. Most people here are delusional. Wake up people, we are rebuilding. It is OK that we lost, it won’t be the last time, get use to it.

    On the positive note, we are on the right track. We’ve got a great coach, great GM, great offense and defense coach. The future looks very bright. What you all need to do is bring your expectation back down to reality and only then, you’ll understand what I am saying.

    I can not believe how so many of you are happy with just making it to the playoffs. Then what, do you honestly think we can go to the super bowl and winning it with this many holes?

  51. Sometimes “bad” teams improve as the season goes and they end up making some noise in the playoffs. The Steelers team that “beat” the Seahawks was the No. 6 seed. Wild-card teams have won the Super Bowl. No, I don’t expect the Seahawks to do it, not this year. But I’d be quite pleased if they win the division or have a winning record. PC certainly has them going in the right direction, this loss notwithstanding.

  52. 1. How surprised were you with the way the Seahawks played today? Was it unreasonable to expect a win?

    A: Not surprised, and didn’t expect a win. The Hawks OL is in disarray. If it’s gonna get better it has to start getting better there first.

    2. Has this team taken a step back in your mind?

    A: No, except for injuries and the backups not being as good as the starters.

    3. Who gets your LVP — least valuable performer — for this game?

    A: Polumbus

    4. If the Seahawks were physically manhandled by Oakland, how bad could it be against the Giants?

    A: About 60-0.

    5. Do fans and to some extent the media, overestimate how good this team really is at times?

    A: Yes. It’s a work in progress. Unfortunately, it has actually gotten so much more from it’s less talented players (overachieving) that Hawks will struggle getting the better players they need in the draft. JS has to pull another miracle in next season’s cut-down.

    6. How much have injuries played a part in these struggles?

    Much is due to injuries, but Hawks still have a talent deficit. I’m surprised at how good the STs played since when the backups have to start, it usually causes the STs to fail, too. PC & JS have done wonders for the Hawks already, so much so that it has made their jobs even harder.

    7. With the injury issues and today’s performance, how has this changed your expectations of this team and it’s standing in the NFC West?

    Maybe from going 8-8 to 7-9, and from 2nd in the NFCW to 3rd.

  53. Devinc253 says:

    Start Whitehurst.. Bench Hasselbeck and his 70 qb rating

  54. zombiehooliganfc says:

    1. How surprised were you with the way the Seahawks played today? Was in unreasonable to expect a win?

    I was somewhat shocked, I didn’t really expect a win, but thought they had a 40% chance at pulling it off.

    2. Has this team taken a step back in your mind?

    Nope, they still employ noodle-arm, so nothing has changed, they just played a team with the corners to totally exploit his massive shortcoming.

    3. Who gets your LVP — least valuable performer — for this game?

    This was a team effort, but when your QB can’t throw and when he’s lucky enough to get one beyond 15 yards and your WR’s can’t catch, it makes the o-line’s job that much harder.

    4. If the Seahawks were physically manhandled by Oakland, how bad could it be against the Giants?

    It can be the end of the world or just another week in the weird NFL. It would not be shocking if the Hawks routed or got routed.

    5. Do fans and to some extent the media, overestimate how good this team really is at times?

    People are not honest about this team. They have good tools but they have a glaring flaw.

    6. How much have injuries played a part in these struggles?

    This staff seems the best at dealing with these issues, shuffling things around, so not as much as I’d expect.

    7. With the injury issues and today’s performance, how has this changed your expectations of this team and it’s standing in the NFC West?

    Nothing has changed.

  55. ruminator1 says:

    1. How surprised were you with the way the Seahawks played today? Was in unreasonable to expect a win?not surprised they lost but i was surprised by how badly they played. this was a game of momentum and when the breaks and good play by Raiders took over, everythig seemed to collapse.

    2. Has this team taken a step back in your mind?
    in a way, yes. i think other teams can say pretty clearly seattle has no deep threat, their OL cannot protect, they have receiv ers who will make plays but who will also drop catchable balls.

    3. Who gets your LVP — least valuable performer — for this game?
    this was definitely a team effort and in the team context i fault the OL. but i though Hass was not good that day. his passes were often off target. some of the drops were due to poorly thrown balls. he did not make good decisions during play, but i also think the play calling stank. 3rd and long–who do you look to? all together now, if it is hass’sdecision. carlson. how many times have we seen this where he tries to force the ball to carlson and there is little chance carlson will get it? and when there is another receiver open. mike williams for all his good receptions drops easy balls. he does it a lot.

    4. If the Seahawks were physically manhandled by Oakland, how bad could it be against the Giants?
    well the giants have a top tier team. but they can lose if they face a team with a decent pass defense. oops, that eliminates seattle. the seattle injuries are mounting up. i think hass is a decent qb but clearly no longer an elite qb. and in my opinion, he is a front runner. when he is under pressure, he does not make good decisions. and CW would be a disaster imo because while he can throw a deep ball, he needs time and the seattle OL does not seem able to provide time

    5. Do fans and to some extent the media, overestimate how good this team really is at times? of course and naturally. and PC’s style and energy only add to that tendency.

    6. How much have injuries played a part in these struggles? well they have played a part. easy example–the ability to run left with Okung but i also think that while this is an improved team, it still is a long distance from being a good team. look at the ranking of players by position and you rarely find a seattle player in the top 15 after many games performance statistics do not lie

    7. With the injury issues and today’s performance, how has this changed your expectations of this team and it’s standing in the NFC West? i do not think this team will make the playoffs. could they? yes, especially as they have home games and they are emotional. they hyave improved but this game shows how far they have to go. the Raiders got some incredible breaks, but they were also relentless with power football. seattle cannot match that. leon and lynch and forsett can make plays but the OL cannot sustain blocks. their receivers can make good catches but they also drop balls and still miss routes. i think our offensive play calling is not imaginative, is very predicatble

    btw i thought hawthorne played well and the miracle last minute hand tackle was a great play.

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