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Confirmed: Hawks send CB Wilson to Ravens

Post by Eric Williams on Aug. 31, 2010 at 4:02 pm with 93 Comments »
August 31, 2010 4:45 pm

ESPN’s Adam Schefter is reporting that the Seattle Seahawks have sent cornerback Josh Wilson to the Baltimore Ravens for a conditional fifth-round pick.

UPDATE: The Seahawks just confirmed the move, stating the team traded Wilson to Baltimore for a conditional 2011 choice. It’s being reported the pick is a fourth or fifth rounder.

The Seahawks have not confirmed this move yet, but there has been speculation that a defensive back from Seattle could be headed to Baltimore. Most of that speculation had involved Kelly Jennings.

This move certainly comes as a surprise. But Seattle must feel comfortable with their cornerback depth, particularly with the way rookie Walter Thurmond has played, along with Roy Lewis.

For Wilson, a Washington D.C-area native who also starred at the University of Maryland, the move is a return to familiar surroundings.

Also, new offensive tackle Tyler Polumbus was at practice today. The Seahawks gave up an undisclosed pick in 2012, likely a late-round pick, for Polumbus, who got some work with the second and third units today.

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  1. HarbachHawk says:

    I think Im gunna be sick

  2. It is well known our FO likes bigger corners,,,so there one goes!

  3. Didn’t see that one coming. I don’t like the trade…and especially the compensation. The Ravens worked us over on this one. Damn.

  4. griffincsb says:

    This really sucks. I liked Wilson, alot, and would have rather seen us dump Jennings onto the Ravens.

    Ugh. I was REALLY hoping Wilson would beat out Jennings for a starting spot.

  5. OCHawkFan says:

    I dont like this trade either. JW is a playmaker and was a 2nd round pick talent. Why would we trade him for a 5th? I dont like this.

  6. snydro22 says:

    I filled out that survey too soon..

  7. SeanCarney says:

    I don’t like this at all. It doesn’t even make sense the kid still had potential, he was already decent. JS just made a big mistake firesaling a fan favorite.

  8. I think if Wilson starts for the Ravens and satisfies playing time requirements we will get our 3RD round pick back!

  9. mrchubbs says:

    This move just pisses me off. I was completely on-board with all the moves up to this one. This one baffles me. Is there some ulterior motive to work some other trade here? I don’t get it.

  10. variable575 says:

    what the @%^#$%^

    First Whitehurst along with bringing in and getting rid of lendale(which was a lot of the thunder for our “successful” draft) and now getting rid of an awesome DB who made plays consistently for the hawks.

    Oh yeah, Jennings makes plays for us, too bad they benefit the other team.

    Ditto, the compensation sucks!!

    NY is in need of a 2nd stringer QB……….maybe we take them to the bank for Charles HurstLocker. Us taking another team to the bank in a trade would be a nice change.

  11. Maybe the motive is that Josh Wilson just can’t cover NFL WRs? Sure he looks great when he does gets his hands on the ball because he can take it back for 6, but does it matter if he does this every 25 receptions allowed?

    A lot of the Seahawks fans have no idea how bad this “talent” Ruskell assembled was and think this team was poor because of injuries and things would have been different if not for those injuries.

    We just witnessed one of the least talented teams in Seahawks history. LoJack and Rob Sims were given away to Detroit. Darryl Tapp may not even make the Eagles team. And now the Seahawks have just dumped a CB who can’t cover.

  12. Maybe some of you overvalued what we had and in the light of competition they were not as good as they appeared.

    Liked JW too but you may not be used to what you are about to see. If we lose it’s going to get tense before it get’s better.

  13. HarbachHawk says:

    All I can remember for the past few years is yelling at Kelly Jennings through my TV, and Josh Wilson making plays to get me excited again. This sucks.

  14. seatowntp says:

    Are you *$#@ing kidding me? That is HORRIBLE! HORRIBLE! Did Tim Ruskell sneak back into the building and orchestrate that trade? What the *$#@? HORRIBLE. Wilson was our second best corner. He is an NFL starting corner. No, not a shut down corner, but starting material. HORRIBLE. What are we going to get for a 5th rounder? If we received a second round pick or even an early 3rd, maybe. This sucks. Josh was a second round selection. (I know it’s a different FO, but trade a second round and trade for a 5th rounder, or even a 4th rounder? Buying high and selling low.) HORRIBLE. Josh was a good in the return game, a playmaker at CB, and fast rushing off the corner. HORRIBLE. I cannot make sense of this decision. It makes me wonder about the ability of the FO to make sound decisions. Somewhere TR is laughing his butt off at the current FO.

  15. It is easy to get mad at Jennings because he is always stuck on the WR like glue when the ball comes and somehow trips over his own two feet to allow the reception.

    But with Wilson, he’s generally trailing his WR by 5 yards, so you have no idea he just allowed yet another 3rd down reception.

  16. variable575 says:

    Pabuwal,

    No offense but Jennings cannot cover NFL WR’s either. And which one makes more plays than the other? Repeatedly we get to witness stronger WR’s out-muscle the puny K jennings who can’t play the ball.

    BTY I know you’re not stacking up KJ against JW in your post. I’m just wondering why we traded the better of the two. Not just as a DB but the versatility JW brings as a return specialist.

  17. snydro22 says:

    I understand the rebuilding process is going to be hard to swallow, and this move may have been necessary, but it certainly hurts us in 2010.

    I will most likely feel much better about this once I hear the explanation. On the surface, it is a head-scratcher.

  18. Dukeshire says:

    Oh my god. No!! They just jettisoned one of their best players for a 5th rounder? I’m with HarbachHawk, I’m going to be sick. That is absolutely fu.ked up.

  19. seatowntp says:

    I NEVER thought I’d say this, but this is the second time this offseason that JS has made TR look like a GENIUS!

  20. Dukeshire says:

    “May have been necessary”…? On what level. This defense just became worse. The return game just became worse. Unbelievable.

  21. Terrible transaction – Wilson was an average talent at covering the split and an above average talent at slot. I would say he was one of the better nickel corners throughout the league actually.

    Our compensation is at best a 4th rounder from a team that is DEPLETED at db.. We will not see a 4th rounder. Nickel corners do not “START” in the ravens D as they do not in ours….. Well be lucky to get a 5th and that in itself is a highway robbery…. Why are we always on this side of it…

    VERY DISSAPPOINTED

  22. Yeah, I’m not saying Jennings is any good either. He can cover well but he always allows the reception because he has no ball skills. Wilson can’t cover well but he’s always a threat to take it back the rare times he is in position.

    The result is equally as bad – easy third and long conversions all the time. I would think Jennings is more teachable, but I’m no DB expert.

  23. Wait till they cut Jenningsbecause they could’nt trade him. (eye roll)

  24. Dukeshire says:

    “But with Wilson, he’s generally trailing his WR by 5 yards, so you have no idea he just allowed yet another 3rd down reception.” Statements like that make me question whether you’ve actually watched him play.

  25. Lowrider says:

    Big deal its just Josh Wilson. Maybe I would be pissed if he was a pro-bowler or a great shut down corner, but he’s not. No love lost.

  26. seatowntp says:

    Bring Back Tim Ruskell!

  27. This fan reaction is like when they traded that Pro Bowler Darryl Tapp away. Guess what, you can pick him up for nothing when he gets cut next week.

  28. variable575 says:

    seatowntp,

    I couldn’t agree with you more.

  29. Just saw Ariz has put Lienhart on the trade block for a 5-6th. (eye roll) roro

  30. variable575 says:

    oops, Seatown was too quick on his second post!!!

    I agree with the first but not his second post!! :)
    lol

  31. One more terrible transaction of this magnitude or worse and I would say we have officially put ourselves in the race for Locker..

    If we haven’t already..

  32. Dukeshire says:

    Lowrider – Well it’s a good thing for you they didn’t have any pro bowl players last year. No threat of you getting upset.

  33. grizindabox24 says:

    It was Josh Wilson…I highly doubt that it will make any difference once the games are played. The Hawks are a rebuilding team and JW did not fit.

  34. seatowntp says:

    Hey maybe we could trade Curry for a 4th round selection? Maybe we could trade Tatupu for a 6th round selection? How about Hass for a conditional 7th? UGH!!! I am pissed off.

  35. This could be a move to get Leinart then.. we all know love affairs last forever..

  36. grizindabox24 says:

    What round the guy was picked is irrelevant.

  37. Dukeshire says:

    grizindabox24 – How did he not fit? Was his ability to play press as well as any CB they had a problem? They fact that he was the surest tackler (along with Heater) on the team an issue? He was their best kick off returner. Despite pabuwal’s inability to distinguish between man and zone, arguably the teams best cover man. What didn’t he fit, exactly?

  38. grizindabox24 says:

    Dukeshire, I did not intend to mean that I did not think he fit, but apparantly the Hawk braintrust decided he did not fit.

  39. A 4th rounder would make the trade fair
    a 5th rounder would make JW a steal
    a 3rd rounder is what I would expect for us to get when we have complete leverage over Baltimore who is desperate at the position….

    Again this will most likely be a 5th rounder

  40. seatowntp says:

    Some days it just *SUCKS* to be a Seahawks fan.

  41. grizindabox24 says:

    Seriously, does anyone think that JW would be the difference between the Hawks winning 10 games or 4….not me. The Hawks are rebuilding, and they might as well see what the younger guys can do.

  42. Lowrider says:

    Duke- very true! Last year’s team made me want to send everyone packing and bring in the Seattle Mist as replacements. It would have made for a way more entertaining season!

  43. Hey Duke – if you liked my opinion on Josh Wilson, you will love my opinion on Leinart. I think he will be a Seahawk before the regular season starts and I think it is an excellent move.

  44. Dukeshire says:

    I know you do. It worries me you are presumably unsupervised in your day to day activities. (half joking…)

  45. seatowntp says:

    griz, How old do you think Old Man Wilson is? Josh was born March 11, 1985. How much younger do you want?

  46. I’m pissed.

  47. seatowntp says:

    I am pissed. I just wish I was a fair weather fan. Life would be so much easier if I didn’t bleed Seahawks Blue.

  48. Dukeshire says:

    grizindabox24 – Younger guys? He’s 25. And no, he alone is not the difference between 4 and 10 wins. But do you think this is a better defense without him? Because it is not. Not at the moment anyway.

    Good thing Tate looked so explosive returning kicks Saturday night.

  49. variable575 says:

    Great negotiating! must have been reminiscent of a buggs bunny(balt) negotiation with Elmer Fudd(PC and schn).

    oh boy.

  50. grizindabox24 says:

    seatown…looks like Roy Lewis, Walter Thurmond young.

  51. You’ll get over it bobby.

  52. chuck_easton says:

    While I won’t pretend to understand this on the surface I just throw out a couple of things:

    1) The team had Jennings and Wilson competing for the starters job. Looks like they think Jennings won.

    2) Thurmond has been showing that he is likely going to be the starter very soon so we just might see him out there.

    3) Lewis played his way onto the team that traditionally only keeps 4 CB’s.

    Nobody is safe for a team that is re-building. If you don’t win your position outright you can go. The guys doing the evaluations decided that there wasn’t much drop off between Jennings and Wilson.

    Now we just have to hope that Jennings has learned to finish. He’s always around the ball. He just has had the problem of getting beat at the finish.

  53. hambone08 says:

    Wilson was one of our best defensive players, a former 2nd round pick, a solid kick returner, and a CB entering his prime…and we trade him for a 5th rounder that may turn into a 4th??? Baltimore was thin at CB and basically stole starting caliber talent for a mid to late round pick. Absolutely asinine trade IMO and I don’t see how we’re any more for the better.

  54. variable575 says:

    could this all be connected to a trade with the Chargers somehow………………………….

  55. Dukeshire says:

    Roy Lewis – 25. Walter Thurmond – 23.

  56. seatowntp says:

    Griz, I think the word that is alluding you is INEXPERIENCED! You want to play inexperienced players rather than Josh Wilson.

  57. Are people really getting mad over JW? He was on the team last year and I do remember him getting burned often. Is he one of the better back on the Hawks, yes but is he a game stopper no. Good things fans don’t run professional teams or we would have guys who can’t play but are nice people. I like JW but trading him is not going to make this team not make the playoffs. Anyone is tradeable on the Hawks, anyone.

  58. seatowntp says:

    I am so upset I cannot even spell the correct word. I meant to type “eluding”.

  59. I just got home and read this. WTF?!

  60. Dukeshire says:

    I find it impossible to believe that anyone watching them play, would say Jennings is a better corner than Wilson.

  61. Dukeshire says:

    dacmike – You do not remember him getting burned often. The reason I know this is because it did not happen.

  62. chuck_easton says:

    Duke,

    I’m not saying it. I’m saying apparently the TEAM thinks Jennings outplayed Wilson.

    The hints have been there all pre-season. The team contantly raves about how Jennings has ‘stepped it up…’ That combined with the emergence of both Lewis and Thurmond meant that one CB was going to go.

    For whatever reason the team decided it was Wilson.

  63. Does anyone have access to a site that logs how often a CB is thrown at and the stats around that?

  64. grizindabox24 says:

    seatown, I realize they are inexperienced…I said they may as well play them in an effort to get them experience.

  65. bird_spit says:

    One thing to say. Next!

    JW, fast, competent, good return man. 5th or 4th round is about right. I have always liked Jennings, so there is bias.

  66. grizindabox24 says:

    I think it had more to do with a better trade could be had for JW than Jennings, and in the long run both may have been gone by next season anyway.

  67. Dukeshire says:

    chuck_easton – With due respect, I think the move speaks to how high they are on Thurmond, not Jennings. I imagine Jennings have far less value than Pistol. They were clearly set on 4 CBs and Wilson gives them an opportunity to get a mid level pick. I think it was clear that Wilson out played Jennings and carried more trade value. That’s how I see it, in any case.

  68. variable575 says:

    We do have some depth at CB. JW was second to trufont but I liked what I saw from the other DB’s so far.

    Again, stacking up draft picks anyway possible to make a move on V. Jackson is one way to explain the insanity behind this move. Far-fetched but it’s fun to think it.

  69. variable575 says:

    oh yeah, and SD owes us one anyhow :)

    you know what I’m talking ’bout.

  70. This makes no sense! How is a 5th round pick more desirable than Josh Wilson?

  71. grizindabox24 says:

    I think many are over valuing JW’s trade value.

  72. What was the status of JW current contract?… If he was in a contract year.. This is actually a good move for the seahawks.

    As much as I hate to say it…

    Btw regarding age JW was a top nickelback and he is well before his prime…..

  73. Dukeshire says:

    HawksKD – Yes, this was the final year of his rookie deal. He was scheduled to make $550,000.

    Nothing like developing talent only to send them to another team to play their best seasons.

  74. HarbachHawk says:

    Pete Hunter might still be out there.

  75. grizindabox24 says:

    Duke, unless the Hawks believe that the young guys behind him have more talent, then you have to move him.

  76. ruminator1 says:

    wish it was lawyer they were moving

  77. grizindabox24 says:

    Lawyer is like 80 years old…no trade value there

  78. Dukeshire says:

    The good news for Josh is that he gets to play in front of friends and family, now.

  79. Dukeshire says:

    grizindabox24 – Clearly the front office feels that way. I do not. You find ways to keep your better players and add younger ones to them. This secondary would be better with Tru, Pistol and Thurmond (in nickel packages) than any other group. But, spilt milk. Hope they use that pick wisely.

  80. Duke, Do I want the Hawks to trade JW no but really how much better does he make this team when the FO knows they are rebuilding and are stock piling draft pick and know they have young guys that can step in and get some experience. You have to look at the big picture and JW was not in it. JW is not a pro bowler so trading him is not the end of the world. Hawk fans relax you think we were preparing for a superbowl run. Baby steps first…

  81. variable575 says:

    Hunter was awesome!!!I still remember that pick. I think he’s at the northgate Mcdonalds if you’re interested.

  82. chuck_easton says:

    Duke. You are preaching to the choir here. I don’t get it unless we see Thurmond starting by October.

  83. Dukeshire says:

    dacmike – If he were a 30 year old exiting his best seasons, then I would agree 100%. But that’s simply not the case. He was a player that can help this team win this year and for the next several to come, in many different ways. This team is not better today than they were yesterday.

  84. Thanks Duke –
    Well he definitely outplayed his contract 1 year after he was drafted.. We had a steal of a deal for the remaining years.

    Josh was my favorite defensive player last year. I’m happy to see him going to a team where he will thrive.

    In that same token I trust Pete carrols evaluation of DBs Roy Lewis, and Walter Thurmond. They are obviously to be molded into starters. By making this transaction they are commiting to the youngsters and they are commiting to the rebuild….

    The shock has worn off and I think this move will help us in the long run..

    Good luck pistol

  85. vichawkfan says:

    tired of Schnieder and Pistol treating the Hawks like a Fantasy team.

  86. Duke I agree with you that the Hawks are not better today then yesturday but the FO must have a good reason why they did this. They wouldn’t have traded JW if they didn’t think it was for the better of the team.

  87. I’m kind of surprised how outraged and shocked everyone is. Josh Wilson did not fit into the mold of a player that the new regime wanted-big tall corners. I think he was better than Jennings, but the F.O. didn’t know that Walter Thurmond would be a full go so soon, that coupled with the emergence of Roy Lewis and Wilson became a bargaining chip. Fair Market Value dictated he was a 4th-5th round value, now if you take into account that Walter Thurmond was a fourth round pick, originally thought to be a 1st-2nd round talent, and you get rid of a 2nd round talent for a 4th round pick, and can be perceived to be a wash. Let’s me know one thing, if this coaching staff isn’t praising you, you’re likely gone, and even if they are, you could be gone.

    He wasn’t this spectacular kick returner a lot of people were making him out to be, and often would get picked on during run plays, and remember we still have Fitzgerald in the division.

  88. Dukeshire says:

    Schneider likes building through the draft and with Thurmond’s surprising play (and Lewis’ to an extent), that made the only player in the secondary with any reasonable trade value, Wilson, available for him to get a decent pick. That’s how I see it anyway. But the thing is, that position was set for years to come, IMO. I don’t think it’s as solidified for the long run as it was, now. But, what can you do…?

  89. Dukeshire says:

    Roy Lewis 5’10 190. Jennings 5’11 180. Pistol 5’9 195.

    Picked on during run plays? You’ll have to be more specific. He was as sure of a tackler the Seahawks have / had.

    Leon Washington’s 2008 pro bowl season as a returner he averaged 25.6 ypr. Wilson 25.4 that same season.

  90. You can be pissed.

  91. Dukeshire
    “Roy Lewis 5’10 190. Jennings 5’11 180. Pistol 5’9 195.

    Picked on during run plays? You’ll have to be more specific. He was as sure of a tackler the Seahawks have / had.

    Leon Washington’s 2008 pro bowl season as a returner he averaged 25.6 ypr. Wilson 25.4 that same season. ”

    I don’t own a dvr, so I can’t site specific examples of when he was picked on, but it has happened, and he never has been the kind of corner to come up and stuff a run play like and older Ken Lucus. ( I do remember a Giants game….).

    You can site a single season statistical comparison with Leon Washington, but the fact that Leon Washington is on our team, now makes him even more expendable.

    I understand though, as fans we tend to like some players more than others. I’m trying to be objective and I don’t want people to be overly negative.

  92. Dukeshire says:

    I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree in that case, because I have never seen him whiff a tackle or seen him run over, or picked on (at least that I can remember).

  93. Dukeshire says:

    “…and he never has been the kind of corner to come up and stuff a run play like and older Ken Lucus.”

    Well, Wilson forced 3 fumbles in ’08. Lucas hasn’t forced 3 fumbles combined in his career, which is 6 years longer.

    http://www.nfl.com/players/joshwilson/profile?id=WIL737475

    http://www.nfl.com/players/kenlucas/profile?id=LUC074711

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