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TNT draft preview: DL, LBs to consider

Post by Eric Williams on April 19, 2010 at 12:07 pm with 69 Comments »
April 19, 2010 12:07 pm
Derrick Morgan, DE Georgia Tech (Al Messerschmidt/Getty Images)

The Seahawks have picked a defensive end in each of the last four drafts, but only two remain on the team, Lawrence Jackson (first round, 2008) and Nick Reed (seventh round, 2009).

With the team’s inability to get consistent pressure on the quarterback for the past, two seasons, Seattle will likely select a defensive end for a fifth straight year.

The Seahawks have several options to choose from, as this year’s defensive line class is considered deep, both in edge rushers and guys who can push the pocket from inside.

Georgia Tech defensive end Derrick Morgan, who I profiled today, is considered the best of the bunch.

Morgan is considered an every-down defensive end who has polished, pass-rushing skills, but perhaps will not develop into an elite pass rusher.

However, Atlanta Falcons GM Thomas Dimitroff believes Morgan can generate enough speed to consistently create a pass rush off of the edge.

If Seattle selects a linebacker it will likely be much later in the draft. The linebackers’ unit for the Seahawks is considered the team’s strength on defense – and they are paid like it. Lofa Tatupu, Leroy Hill and Aaron Curry are scheduled to make a combined $12 million in base salary in 2010.

Rob Rang, senior draft analyst,

Rob Rang’s defensive lineman to consider

Round Pick Name

1 (6) Gerald McCoy, 6-4, 295, Oklahoma

Rob’s rationale: McCoy will almost surely be off the board, but if he were to slide, he’d be the perfect 3-technique to pair with natural nose guard Brandon Mebane. Highlights

1 (14) Derrick Morgan, 6-3, 266, Georgia Tech

Rob’s rationale: The ACC Defensive Player of the Year, he’d provide the pass rush the Seahawks are lacking. Highlights.

2 (60) Lamarr Houston, 6-3, 305, Texas

Rob’s rationale:
Like McCoy mentioned previously, Houston’s burst inside could give the team an interior pass rusher. Highlights.

4 (104, 127) Jermaine Cunningham, 6-4, 266, Florida

Rob’s rationale: Overshadowed by teammates, Cunningham has burst off the edge, as evidenced by his 19.5 career sacks. Highlights

5 (133,139) Hall Davis, 6-4, 271, Louisiana-Lafayette

Rob’s rationale: Rough around the edges, but has natural tools worthy of development.

6 (176) Earl Mitchell, 6-2, 296, Arizona

Rob’s rationale: A former fullback with lots of athletic potential. Size limitations push him down the board. Highlights

7 (245) Malcolm Sheppard, 6-2, 285, Arkansas

Rob’s rationale: A classic ‘tweener whose explosive first step can wreak havoc, but inability to hold up at the point limits his value. Highlights.

Linebackers to consider

Round Pick Name

1 (6, 14) Rolando McClain, 6-4, 249, Alabama

Rob’s rationale: Seattle won’t draft McClain due to their own strength at the position, but he’s likely go in the top 15. Highlights.

2 (60) Eric Norwood, 6-1, 242, South Carolina

Rob’s rationale: Former DE with natural pass rush skills could be a fit at Carroll’s “elephant” position. Highlights.

4 (104, 127) Donald Butler, 6-1, 245, Washington

Rob’s rationale: Steve Sarkisian and Nick Holt rave about Butler’s upside and Carroll would surely trust their opinion. Highlights.

5 (133,139) A.J. Edds, 6-4, 246, Iowa

Rob’s rationale:
A personal favorite. Savvy and more athletic than he’s given credit for being. Among the draft’s best coverage LBs. Combine Workout.

6 (176) Travis Goethel, 6-3, 240, Arizona State

Rob’s rationale: Instinctive and passionate, Goethel would quickly emerge as a special teams demon. Combine workout.

7 (245) Kyle Bosworth, 6-1, 236, UCLA

Rob’s rationale: Nephew of The Boz, he’s a proven and consistent standout from the Pac-10 that Carroll will know well. Combine workout.

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  1. Dukeshire says:

    Eric, is there any way you can get a copy of Rang’s Sr. prom photo to pair with that glamour shot? I chuckle every time I see it.

  2. variable575 says:


    You’re a piece of work, enjoy the draft.

    Here’s to the hope we draft Daniel Teo-Nesheim later on then Derrick Morgal early on. Enough said.

  3. I didn’t realize until today that Suh is a native of Portland Oregon. His mom is from Jamaica and his dad from Cameroon. Ndamukong means house of spears. He is no dummy. He graduated with a degree in engineering. Wish there was some way Seattle could get him.

    Derriick Morgan is too much like Lawrence Jackson. Seattle needs a pass rushing DE like Brandon Graham.

  4. Dukeshire says:

    Bradford is on Jim Rome’s TV show and I have to say, what an honest, straight-forward young man.

    oceanic – Isn’t that crazy? How the Pac 10, never mind U of O, allowed him to leave is beyond me.

  5. snydro81 says:

    I like Brown as a player, Bobby – but he’s 29 years old.

  6. A little something on Suh:
    gotta love him.

    I’ve also read that Seattle had Sergio Kindle in for a look.

  7. For the right price, I’d like to have him. He’s got another four years in the tank. I’m certainly not advocating a 1st rounder for him, but if we get in a trade down situation where we add picks and we still haven’t drafted a Left Tackle, it would be a potential option.

  8. snydro81 says:

    Someone should let Jack LaLanne know that the term “juicing” has taken on a whole new meaning in the last 5 years..

  9. new topic… “LBs to consider trading”
    hmmm…. Leroy Hill?

    Just imagining what draft day trades PC and The Scheider may come up with. My guess is we end up with more draft picks than we currently have. Who could we trade on draft day?

    I’m guessing they might be open to trading any player with value who will be past his prime within 2 or 3 years. Players over 30 should not be a part of their plan at this point.

    Here’s my list:
    TJ Houshmandsadeh (over 30 and expensive)
    Matt Hasselbeck
    Marcus Trufant
    and of course, the eminently-stupid Leroy Hill

  10. In my perfect world I think we should trade up and pick Suh he seems to be the player that has the makeup to improve this team the most. Any team that passes on him are fools. If we could get him at three we could still get a top rated L.T. later than 12.. wigout

  11. Stevos-

    I would trade all four of those players if I could get value for them. Some teams are stupid enough to overpay like Oak, Buf, and now Cle. That would be a dream scenario. Some dummy would probably give the Hawks a 2nd for Trufant, that’s a reach considering he plays like a practice squad player (IMO). That would be killer to trade all that away pick up 2 picks in each round until the fifth (1-4) and have two picks in the fifth! Then draft an entire OL and DL, start completely over. Like hitting the reset button. Wow!! Wishful thinking!! I should be a GM.

  12. snydro81 says:

    There’s a certain team president in the AFC who most likely covets 3/4 of those players. His team also has a ton of draft picks. Just sayin.

  13. I don’t see any Morgan – LoJack comparisons as being valid except for stopping the run. Jackson was never a highlight reel sack guy at USC, but Morgan was at GaTech. Jackson was a good cog in the USC machine or he wouldn’t have gotten drafted that highly, but Morgan is not a cog… he’s a playmaker and difference maker at DE. Those comparisons baffle me.

  14. snydro81-

    I’m sooooo glad that the Hawks passed on that certain GM.

  15. Dukeshire says:

    If Holmy wants Tru and Hill, terrific. Hill is quickly finding himself more disposable by the day and in all honesty, I’ve never been a big Trufant fan. I cursed his name weekly up until the bye week, after the Bear blowout, in ’06. Something happened to him after that. The best football of his career was from after that bye through the ’07 season. If someone offered the ‘Hawks even a 3rd for Tru, I say jump on it. As for Hill, I’m not sure anyone would offer more that a 5th round pick for him. Perhaps I’m wrong, but I can’t imagine he has much value. (I hope I’m underestimating him.)

  16. Trufant was only good in his contract year. Other then that he falls down, gets burned, can’t cover, and gets PI’s called on him all day. Horrible player.

  17. BobbyK, do you think Morgan will get more sacks as a pro than Graham?

  18. I think (know) there’s also the correlation of Trufant’s play with respect to the pass rush too. In ’07 we had our best pass rush in years and the DBs looked better than they do/did in ’08/’09 when the pass rush wasn’t any good. I know the injuries factored in for Tru last year but he’ll look much better if teams are forced to throw (and offense that can score again) and the pass rush is much improved.

  19. oceanic – It depends on who drafts them. What will there role be or exact position (especially for Graham – will a 3-4 or 4-3 draft him)? What is the talent like around each of them? Do they play on a team who has a good offense so they can pin their ears back more often and “get after” the QB?

    With all things being equal, I like Morgan a lot more than Graham. I think he’ll get his sacks and he’ll stop the run. I don’t think Graham is that well rounded.

  20. variable575 says:

    BobbyK says:

    “I don’t see any Morgan – LoJack comparisons as being valid except for stopping the run. Jackson was never a highlight reel sack guy at USC, but Morgan was at GaTech. Jackson was a good cog in the USC machine or he wouldn’t have gotten drafted that highly, but Morgan is not a cog… he’s a playmaker and difference maker at DE. Those comparisons baffle me.”


    Here are some stats. If you notice, Morgan does not elevate himself in any way above Ljack, at least statistically speaking, other than having a yr best of 12 sacks when Ljack had a career best 10 sacks/yr, twice.

  21. When I watched some USC games I can’t ever remember ever thinking Jackson was very good. He never stood out.

    Morgan has stood out in games I have seen. That’s the difference.

    Stats will tell you that Ty Detmer should have been a better NFL QB than Tom Brady too. If you want a guy who will get sacks, you should want Brandon Sharpe or Bruce Miller over a guy like Brandon Graham because they outsacked him this past season. I know you don’t think this, but it’s just a feeling I’ve gotten from watching both play.

  22. “Trufant was only good in his contract year. Other then that he falls down, gets burned, can’t cover, and gets PI’s called on him all day. Horrible player.”

    That’s just completely wrong IMO – with the big exception of last year. He got better every year – up through his contract year, and then last years was a total f-ing disaster. But he was coming off that pretty serious back injury, and who knows what else, he should get another chance before we throw in the towel. Good CB’s are not that easy to find.

  23. Another thought on Lawrence Jackson, The Sack Machine, at USC.

    Those USC teams were so good and almost always playing with the lead that their defense knew that the opponents had to pass the ball. It’s a lot easier to get sacks when you know your opponent is one dimentional. It’s much easier to inflate your stats in situations like that.

  24. snydro81 says:

    Do I need to state my case against football statistics again?

  25. snydro81 says:

    I hope we draft The Situation in the 7th round. We have to think outside the box.

  26. snydro81 says:

    Completely agree with pdway.

  27. Dukeshire says:

    “I hope we draft The Situation in the 7th round.” lol. I had to look up what that is exactly. Incredible.

  28. Eric, any idea what Carroll’s opinion of Reed is?

  29. snydro – completely agree with your assessment about stats in how they relate to football. Too many variables.

  30. Schedule comes out tomorrownight!!! Can’t wait!!! Please be home the weekend of Sept 18-19!!! Please!!!

  31. Derrick Morgan vs Brandon Graham vs. Lawrence Jackson?
    … now there’s an interesting thread…

    It should be noted that many mock drafts have Morgan listed as the first DE to be drafted, and Brandon Graham as the first OLB to be drafted. I don’t think anyone thought that highly of Lawrence Jackson when Jackson was the fourth DE chosen in 2008.

    Morgan looks like he has elite speed-rusher skills, Graham looks like he does too. Lawrence Jackson does not. LoJack himself admitted in an interview last season that he is more comfortable stuffing the run at LDE since he does not have the genetics of a pass-rushing RDE.

  32. variable575 says:


    USC was a great team while Jackson was playing for them but GT wasn’t bad last year either. My point is that Morgan hasn’t shown enough to justify picking him in the early first rnd. That’s all.

    In fact, almost all the games where Morgan Tallied his sacks, GT was playing with a comfortable lead.

    And for stats, they are simply that. I’ve never said they were anything more. But, as far as play making(ie, FF INT SCK) records they can be useful to some extent.


    One thing that people are saying about Morgan is that he does not appear to have what it takes to be an elite pass rusher.

  33. We can respectfully agree to disagree. I believe Morgan does have the pass rushing skills to be a guy who can/will get 10 sacks per season.

  34. Dukeshire says:

    Bobby – I hope that weekend works out for you. I’m coming up if it does.

  35. Anyone who has listened to Mel Kiper Jr. this year has heard him preach about Jimmy Clausen being the best QB in this draft.

    Initially I took his unabashed support of Clausen as one guy having an opinion and sticking to it. But as the pre-draft speculation continued and the rest of the world seemed to come to the conclusion that Sam Bradford was unquestionably the best QB prospect in this draft it struck me as odd that Kiper spent sooo much time touting Clausen as the best. During radio interviews discussing different prospects or different positions Kiper would somehow always return to the topic of Jimmy Clausen. Almost as if he had some agenda other than simply sharing his draft expertise with the rest of the country.
    As it turns out there may be an explanation for Mel Kiper Jr. using every opportunity that he could to proclaim Jimmy Clausen the #1 quarterback in this draft.

    Clausen is represented by one of Kiper’s longtime friends Gary Wichard.

    My position on Clausen is well documented. He’ll probably have a nice career in the pros but he is not the next coming of Joe Montana as Kiper would have you believe.

    The fact that Kiper has been trying to shove him down our throats for the last four months really bothers me though. If he is using his position at ESPN to shill for his friend’s clients he should be fired.

  36. P.S.

    Rang, is that your High School senior picture???

  37. Wasn’t it in the bowl game that Bulaga shut down Morgan? Some NFL personnel have been saying that Bulaga is a 3rd round talent. At 6″ 3′ 266, Morgan seems a little small to me, and he doesn’t look dominant to me, and it’s also been said that he may never develop into an elite pass rusher.

    I just think for all of the holes this team has we need a can’t miss guy that is dominant with a high upside-Morgan is considered a safe pick. Plus our track record on drafting DE is terrible. Last good DE we drafted were Jacob Green and Michael Sinclair, and Michael Micrary(sp?). Oh, Rufus Porter played a little DE.

  38. Interesting that Morgan got 8 of his sacks in three games and zero sacks in six games. Of course, sacks are often misleading.

  39. maddog12 says:

    I like the idea of trading Hill and Tru.

    I’d rather see us extend Matt 2-4 and let him know he will be going to the Dilfer roll in the future. Don’t know what he wants to do after football. He would make a good coach I think.

    Trading Housh might be smart if the price is right.

    The price being right is the key to any of the above moves.

  40. snydro81 says:

    Duke and jjsnix,

    I’d guess that picture has been in every Mount Tahoma High School yearbook since 1993…

    From the Seattle Times:

    Welcome to the duality of Rang’s existence. A high-school teacher in Tacoma, he’s also a senior analyst for He works at the same high school he attended, teaching literature and world history as well as ADVISING ON THE YEARBOOK. Last week, his poetry review included Robert Hayden’s poem, “Those Winter Sundays,” while his mock draft included Florida cornerback prospect Joe Haden.

  41. Macabrevity says:

    I just thought I’d sound off as a Morgan opposer in this draft. Wrong guy, wrong pick, wrong timing.

    There are several ways that the #6 pick could help our franchise, and I firmly believe that drafting Derrick Morgan is not one of them. We can get a serviceable DE later in the draft.

    3 years from now, all the teams who didn’t draft Derrick Morgan will have forgotten about him. I’d rather not be the team that is forced to remember him because of a blown pick.

  42. variable575 says:

    I need someone to watch NW sports tonight w/ Paul Silvi.

    PC was talking about playing various games, 3 on 3 basketball and “corn hole in the locker room”. WHAT!? I’ve never heard of the game corn hole, especially one taking place in the locker room.

  43. snydro81 says:

    Maybe.. Or maybe not..

    Defensive ends are the hardest position to project, by your own admission.

    So why are you trying?

  44. JMSeaTown says:

    Corn Hold is an awesome midwest game.. and it can be made with one 4’x8′ piece of plywood

  45. JMSeaTown,

    Sounds painful.


    I understand taking a stance against Morgan because of the overwhelming possibility of him not living up to his selection — but it’s naive to say that it’s a guarantee.

  46. Read em and weep. Just an absolutely brutal draft history of DE’s. The Seahawks inability to draft DE, and QB, is close to the Sonics(Rip) inability to draft the C position. I’m sure some of you will get a laugh out of this.

    2009 7 38(247) Seahawks Nick Reed DE Oregon
    Pick Note Compensatory selection
    2008 1 28(28) Seahawks Lawrence Jackson DE USC
    Pick Note From Cowboys
    2007 4 21(120) Seahawks Baraka Atkins DE Miami (FL)
    2006 2 31(63) Seahawks Darryl Tapp DE Virginia Tech
    2005 5 23(159) Seahawks Jeb Huckeba DE Arkansas
    2002 5 11(146) Seahawks Rocky Bernard DE Texas A&M
    Pick Note from Indianapolis
    Distinctions Super Bowl Losses: XL
    2002 2 28(60) Seahawks Anton Palepoi DE UNLV
    Pick Note from Green Bay
    1999 4 20(115) Seahawks Antonio Cochran DE Georgia
    1999 1 22(22) Seahawks Lamar King DE Saginaw Valley
    Pick Note from Dallas
    1996 4 4(99) Seahawks Phillip Daniels DE Georgia
    Pick Note from N.Y. Giants through Dallas and Miami and Jacksonville
    1996 7 16(225) Seahawks Johnie Church DE Florida
    1995 7 8(216) Seahawks Keif Bryant DE Rutgers
    1993 7 2(170) Seahawks Mike McCrary DE Wake Forest
    Distinctions Super Bowl Wins: XXXV
    1993 8 8(204) Seahawks Antonio Edwards DE Valdosta State
    Pick Note from Chicago
    1992 7 10(178) Seahawks Mike Frier DE Appalachian State
    1992 10 11(263) Seahawks Anthony Hamlet DE Miami (FL)
    1992 12 12(320) Seahawks John MacNeill DE Michigan State
    Pick Note from N.Y. Jets
    1991 6 16(155) Seahawks Michael Sinclair DE Eastern New Mexico
    Distinctions All Pro Second Team: 1998
    1990 10 9(257) Seahawks Robert Morris DE Valdosta State
    1989 8 16(211) Seahawks Marlin Williams DE Western Illinois
    1989 11 16(295) Seahawks Mike Baum DE Northwestern
    1988 10 20(269) Seahawks Derwin Jones DE Miami (FL)
    1987 12 5(312) Seahawks Wes Dove DE Syracuse
    Pick Note from Green Bay
    1986 8 17(211) Seahawks Alonzo Mitz DE Florida
    1986 10 15(264) Seahawks Don Fairbanks DE Colorado
    1985 9 24(248) Seahawks Bob Otto DE Idaho State
    1982 1 6(6) Seahawks Jeff Bryant DE Clemson
    1982 11 5(284) Seahawks Sam Clancy DE Pittsburgh
    1981 6 2(140) Seahawks Steve Durham DE Clemson
    1980 1 10(10) Seahawks Jacob Green DE Texas A&M
    Pick Note from Buffalo
    1980 4 14(97) Seahawks Terry Dion DE Oregon
    1980 5 22(132) Seahawks Daniel Jacobs DE Winston-Salem
    Pick Note from Miami through Washington
    1980 6 15(153) Seahawks Mark McNeal DE Idaho
    1977 3 2(58) Seahawks Dennis Boyd DE Oregon State
    1976 3 2(62) Seahawks Jeff Lloyd DE West Texas A&M

  47. Macabrevity says:

    Olsonc….that is brutal! Exactly what I was thinking, but seeing the list really brings it home. Nasty business. Let’s not add another name to the list please!

    We need to do two things:

    STOP drafting DE’s in high rounds…
    STOP signing/trading for WR’s unless they’re value for money…

    I think the rest will take care of itself once we stop wasting money and draft picks on these two positions.

  48. We shouldn’t let a bad draft history on a certain position cloud our judgment. This is a brand new team, new GM, new HC and so on, there’s no telling if they have spotted something special in Derrick Morgan, Jason Pierre-Paul, Brandon Graham or whoever we might or might not pick at that position. Furthermore we have only drafted 4 DE’s in the first round, and only Lamar King has been a bust. Jacob Green was amazing, Lawrence Jackson played well last year (in my humble opinion) and Jeff Bryant had some very good seasons.

    Morgan might not be a beast rusher getting 10+ sacks consistently, and might not be “worth” a number 6 overall pick, but I think he is a very very good player and he could certainly help this team a lot.

  49. Dukeshire says:

    To expand on JacDG’s point, of the 35 names listed, 6 were taken in the first two rounds. All but two were / are productive players for the team. 2 DE in 33 years, Lamar King and Anton Palepoi, were busts. Hardly a reason to stop drafting DEs in high rounds, should the right player be there. If anything, this says to me that if they don’t draft a DE early, then avoid the position all together. Not many mid / late round picks on that list (of which it is overwhelmingly comprised) panned out to be anything productive.

  50. Dukeshire says:

    variable575 – You may have seen people playing cornhole while tailgating before games.

  51. Macabrevity says:

    Dukeshire, keep your eyes on the round 1 picks from this list;

    Aside from Mario Williams, you have to go back to 2002 to find a draft where the DE’s really made an impact. I’m sure you will agree that the top of this class is not nearly as strong as the 2002 DE class that produced Peppers and Freeney.

    No, this is a weaker DE class. Great draft, but at other positions. If you aren’t happy with the Hawks failures in drafting a DE, take comfort in the fact that most of the league is unable to find a good DE, and whether drafting 1st, or later, it doesn’t seem to make a difference…unless of course you have a gifted class of pass rushers, which unfortunately we don’t.

    What we do have is a gifted class of safeties, and some stud O-lineman and DTs. Let’s stick to the strengths of the draft this year, and not force something that isn’t there.

  52. If D. Morgan turns into a stud and the rest of the DEs turn out to suck (I wouldn’t doubt it) then it really doesn’t matter if it’s a bad class for DEs; just as long as we get the one good one.

  53. Dukeshire says:

    Macabrevity – If we are now expanding the argument from the Seahawks DE draft selections to the rest of the league in order to make your point, I’m fine with that. I’m not interested in engaging in an “anti Morgan” debate, I believe he will be a great player in this league and time will tell if I’m right or not. That said, if the argument is that the ‘Hawks should look else where, other than DE in the first to better the club, I’m open to that discussion. But understand that one can point to nearly every position throughout the league and lay out “busts” one after another to illustrate a point of not drafting that position. And by taking a DE (Morgan) early that does not somehow mean they pass on o linemen, DTs or safeties (where there is debate on how deep the elite talent there is.) All I know is that I’m grateful the draft begins Thursday so we can get passed all this conjecture and B.S. We begin to discuss again what is, not what we each think should be.

  54. Macabrevity says:

    Check out this article before continuing:

    Walter sums it up beautifully when comparing the ratio of hits and misses among OTs, DTs and QBs. If it’s the same every year, then why should this year be different? In fact, some positions are just that much more difficult for college players to transition into the NFL, and thus you get more busts, and a lower return on high first round pick investments. Walter’s research proves this out in relation to these 3 positions. If it were expanded further, you would see that DE is one of the riskier positions to draft up top.

    If I can relate back to BobbyK’s argument; if there is one good DE in a group of say ten, then it’s a tougher pick than going with one of 2 good safeties in a group of 6, or 3 good DTs in a group of 5, and so on.

    I’d like us to play the odds. I’m willing to admit, that while my sour opinion of Morgan may or may not prove to be warranted, I’d rather not risk it. I know there’s no safe bet. Even Suh could flop, although injuries would probably be the only way that could happen… I’d just rather go with the percentages. I’d also rather change a pattern of drafting in Seattle that has left a lot to be desired.

  55. I simply want the BPA and think that’s going to be Morgan (assuming something crazy happened; like Suh falling, which won’t happen). If anything, I wish I saw a LT being the BPA when we draft so we could take him. Since I’m scared of some of those top prospects, I’d rather take who I think will be safer (whereas your argument, with due respect, is that he’s not safe and that’s the reason you want to pass on him). We can respectfully agree to disagree for now and we’ll all root for our new guys on Thursday. I may be pissed if we take Trent Williams at #6, but I’m going to root like heck for him to be a good player and won’t mind admitting if I’m wrong (because I’d rather be wrong since it will benefit the Seahawks).

  56. What I love is that as soon as the draft is over, instead of everyone sharing their opinion on who the Hawks should draft, the conversation will change to who they should have drafted. This will only intensify once the season begins, especially if their draft picks get off to a slow start (i.e. Curry last season).

    Then, inevitably, someone will get on here and say that the Seahawks should’ve listened to him/her, because a player that they were campaigning for is outperforming the player that the Hawks took ahead of him. And you know what, sometimes they make a pretty good point. The BobbyK/Michael Oher example immediately comes to mind. And that’s not to say that BobbyK was disappointed with the Hawks taking Curry (or are you?), but Oher had a very good rookie campaign. And really, could you imagine how much different (better) things would be heading into the draft this year with two 1st round picks if the Hawks had drafted Oher last year instead of Curry?

    But that’s why I love the NFL, the Seahawks, the draft, and blogs like these. Everybody has an opinion, and here everybody gets to share those opinions. I know I’ve learned a lot more about the game since I started following this blog back in the Sando era, not just from reading everyone else’s opinions, but also because it has challenged me to ‘up the ante’ on my own research before entering into any discussion/debate on here.

  57. If I were GM last year and team doctors would have looked me in the eye and said Walt would be 100% (no questions asked) heading into last season, then I would have used that pick on Knowshon Moreno. But, otherwise, yeah, I would have definitely taken Oher (as stated last year).

    Think of the positives: if we would have taken Oher last year, there’s a good chance that we would have won another game or even two with much better OL play and Curry not having had a stellar campaign. Mora would probably still be coaching. Maybe we should be thankful we took Curry? LOL.

  58. Dukeshire says:

    Macabrevity – That was a cool chart, but I’m losing what your argument is here. Are you advocating a OT? Because you’ll get no argument from me on that, specific player aside. But in a previous post you state there are stud DTs in this class but you are now illustrating that they have the same bust rate as QBs. Look, your draft strategy seems to be select players based on position % of past success. I believe you draft based on specific players’ available and your need. We’re not going to come to an agreement here. Let’s move on, shal we…

  59. snydro81 says:


    Great point!


    Give up. It’s pretty obvious that Macabrevity’s agenda isn’t stating his own case or opinion, but rather arguing with yours.

    In 5000 words, he hasn’t told us who he wants picked at 6 and 14, only how stupid it would be to draft a DE – based on the success/failure rate of past selections.

    Also, we haven’t heard from BobbyAyala for a while. I’m having trouble remembering who we were supposed to “book” for the first two rounds.. Was it Clausen, Spiller, and Tate? I tried to go back and find the thread, but had no luck.

  60. Dukeshire says:

    Clausen and Tate for sure. Spiller sounds right but I’m not certain. I know this, I’m going to have a cool new donkey putter cover here pretty soon. Book it! Lol.

  61. Macabrevity says:

    Dukeshire; not really an argument, so much as a belief that some positions make more sense than others based on such factors as the probability of a position to fail (hence the chart) or the strength of a particular position in the draft (my belief that this draft is strong at DT, OT, and S).

    I think the best draft strategy is to grab guys who really look like they can make a big contribution (1st and 2nd round) play a role (3rd, 4th and 5th) maybe surprise some people (6th and 7th).

    I’m not necessarily making one post simply to support a previous post, all the while trying to build an argument to tear down what other people are saying. I’m just trying to get in the discussion with various points that are a reaction to things that are said, or just thoughts I’m having about our direction in the draft and so on.

    I think the only way I can clarify is to state emphatically that I want to come out of the first round with a LT and S, and the only thing that would make me pass on those two positions would be: Suh somehow falling; QB positional value at 14; or a run on OT and Safety that leaves us looking at BPA and another position.

    Basically my philosophy is that BPA will be OT and S in a lot of scenarios, given the strength of those two positions, and where we draft.

  62. Macabrevity says:

    BobbyK, I respect your position here. If I thought Morgan was BPA at #6 or #14, and given the sorry state of our pass rush, then there would be no way I would settle for anyone else at that spot.

    I agree with you 100% there.

    Time will tell who’s actually right on Morgan. I know I’ve been wrong tons about various players, so it won’t be a shock to me if he turns into a pro-bowl DE. If I had to put money on it though, I’d agree with the post that compared him to Derrick Harvey; but that’s just my take on the player.

  63. Macabrevity says:


    I’m going to assume you’re actually a Raiders fan in disguise, trying to sow seeds of discontent amount true Hawks fans.

    Thus I will ignore all your posts except those that relate to your Raiders.

    I’ve never been a Raider fan, having followed the Hawks since 1984. I’ve learned to hate them, but they are a historic franchise, so if you insist on making your presence felt on a largely Seahawk fan forum, I have no objections. We can talk some raider football if that’s really what you’re here for.

  64. Macabrevity says:

    ((no way to edit posts here: should read “among true Hawks fans”))

  65. Dukeshire says:

    Macabrevity – I use argument in lieu of discussion, conversation, etc… not anger of fighting or some such, at least in this case. Anyway, I think overall o line is a strength of this draft. Perhaps not deep on the top end but certainly in the middle / late rounds, so we agree there. And I too think that when you’re taking players in rounds 1 and 2 you’re looking for contributors at a high level for several years. You address this to Bobby, – “If I thought Morgan was BPA at #6 or #14, and given the sorry state of our pass rush, then there would be no way I would settle for anyone else at that spot.” – but that has been my position all along. So to direct the conversation to specifics, who would you prefer to select in those spots. And let’s presume Okung and Bulaga are off the board at 6. Would you take Berry then best of the rest at 14 for LT? I’m curious how far down the list you rate Morgan.

  66. Ahh, the ‘ol Raider fan attack.


    Here are my picks, which have been pretty well documented:

    Okung or Bulaga at 6.

    I’m not a fan of Eric Berry or Trent Williams. I don’t think Berry is the stud that people claim he is, and I think Williams is too risky at a position that should involve the lowest amount of risk. I think Bulaga has the intelligence and work-ethic, along with the game tape, to thrive. Okung is just safe. Limited upside but a safe floor. Can start in this league and not be a weakness.

    I’d prefer a trade down at 14 (actually I’d like one at 6 as well).. I’d draft BPA, regardless of position, and re-arrange my draft board based on need/bpa in the future rounds. I’d still prefer safety, DE or DT in the first round (Pierre-Paul maybe, but not likely) but any position would do, with the exception of linebacker, where I think all we need is some depth from later rounds or UDFA..

    I’d like to grab a safety in the 3rd (assuming trade down) if we haven’t done so by the 2nd. Then we make a run on interior lineman, in the 4th-5th rounds. Both sides of the ball. This is where Gibbs shines.

    An ideal draft for me would be (assuming no trades):


  67. Macabrevity says:

    I hear ya Dukeshire…yeah, that’s how I meant argument too…just that I’m not really interested in putting together a solid thesis backed by proofs etc. to sway people to my way of thinking. It’s too much work, so I just post haphazardly, which seems to provoke a lot of commentary on these forums. I guess commentary is good since that’s what we’re here for. I just don’t put a lot of effort into defending any positions or theses on this site. I’m too lazy, as you will eventually see by my typos.

    Okay, to address your question…I know there are some doubts about the guy, but I would love to see Trent Williams at #6, followed by Earl Thomas at #14. I’d be equally happy with Eric Berry at #6, followed by the best O-lineman available. That’s the tricky part though, because the consensus seems to be that Charles Brown can be had with a later pick, if that’s the OT they’d target in this strategy, then they might do some maneuvering first.

    If by some strange twist the 3 top OT’s are off the board at #6, then it probably means we’re looking at Gerald McCoy; a player I have my doubts about. I’d really feel better if we just got our OT at #6, and didn’t have to sweat it. I don’t think Matt (or anyone else) can survive another season behind center, without blindside protection.

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