According to James Walker of ESPN, recently released Cleveland Browns QB Derek Anderson has two visits set up, including a visit to Seattle on Thursday and Arizona on Saturday.
Anderson would be a backup quarterback option for Seattle as they continue to pursue a young quarterback in the draft to groom as an eventual replacement for Matt Hasselbeck.
Also, ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio reports the Seahawks have been calling the Philadelphia Eagles non-stop in regards to Donovan McNabb and Kevin Kolb, but the Eagles are not interested in giving up either quarterback. Maybe Pete Carroll is not as big as a believer in Hasselbeck as he lets on.
The Arizona Cardinals re-signed safety Matt Ware after he made a trip to Seattle.
New Cleveland Browns QB Seneca Wallace says he wants to challenge for the starting job.
While I am a Hasselbeck believer, I also agree that he can’t play forever, and that there are others who are better. Bringing in competent competition is only wise. A promising young QB like Kolb makes sense at several levels, and does not reflect a dissatisfaction with our current QB.
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Welcome back to the NW . I hope You’ll stay with us , forget the Browns ( Seattle is 100 times better place than the “Mistake on the Lake” ) and be the best You can be. I truly think You can be great QB and an asset to us.
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Eagle’s driving the price up? Wonder what Matt is thinking while he’s reading this report this morning.
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Derek Anderson would be a terrific back-up and much better than Wallace IMO. Though, he’s likely going to AZ because they have a play-off caliber team and they’re looking for a veteran starter.
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I would hate to see Hass go, but let’s be realistic, he’s on his last year and the Hawks won’t resign him. They might as well get some value out of him if they have the chance. I think a good fit for him would be in Minnesota especially if Favre does not return. They already have a line for him with Hutch that should keep him upright for at least a few more seasons, and if they can’t get McNabb it would be a good option for him. If he stays here then he can groom the next QB for a year before he says goodbye.
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It is very easy to overread here on the intent of the Hawks regarding a QB. It has been the right thing for the new regime to be complimentary of Hasselbeck and value his veteran experience and presence for the Hawks. That said, this is a NEW REGIME and with that no ones job is safe or automatic, nor should it be. It is doubtful that Anderson would have interest here if it was not going to be an open competition for the position. The same could be said for Arizona. Arizona WAS a playoff team. With the changes (losses) going on there, it could be argued that they are moving in the wrong direction. Should Anderson be deemed as a good choice/option for the Hawks, then I would have to give early “props” to the new management to trade what was a back-up only QB for the Hawks and get a draft pick and then sign a free agent QB that could be a starter here.
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AZ playoff caliber??? have you not been paying attention they have lost 4 probowler caliber players in a week.
our division is wide open
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Hasselbeck is not going anywhere. He will get re-signed, JUST AS HE DESERVES TO BE, and will have better seasons. All the speculation from Sal Pal about Seattle “non-stop” calling Philly means nothing. There is no way McNabb is coming here and Kolb is a few steps down from Hass. This too shall pass.
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Why haven’t we heard anything about the Hawks contacting ex Colt lineman,
Ryan Lilja ?????
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i’m pro-hasselbeck, but, really, if you’re going to make this trade, i see no reason to trade for mcnabb. he’s only one year younger than hasselbeck, and has had his own share of injuries. this would have to be for kolb, else it’s a bad trade.
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And it looks like Mr. Anderson may not be the only one leaving Cleveland…is Seneca really that vaunted by Holmgren?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4982407
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What I’d be concerned about is that Holmgren knows QB’s. If Holmgren is getting rid of a QB, I’d be a bit concerned about that player.
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I actually like Kolb, and think that would be a good investment. He’s still pretty young and has already had a mentor in McNabb thus making him more ready to roll.
Just out of curiousity, do you guys like Kolb, and what would you be willing to give up to get him?
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Also…just saw this as well:
Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford reportedly scored an impressive 36 on the Wonderlic Test.
For comparison, Matt Ryan scored a 32 in 2008. Florida QB Tim Tebow had a 22 the 50-question test, and was outdone by both Colt McCoy of Texas (25) and Notre Dame’s Jimmy Clausen (23). None of the scores are close to the red-flag range. Bradford’s might have helped his draft stock slightly.
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McNabb is worth it if he can be had for a 3rd round pick which won’t happen. Kolb is worth it for the second of the two 1st round picks which also won’t happen.
Folks, the Colts line wasn’t very good last year. Don’t let their QB Peyton Manning fool you into thinking it was!
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My question to all ALL HAWKS FANS is
Do we want Quinn or Anderson for $3 Million per year??? Who has a higher ceiling?
I’m glad this will finally stop the nonsense about drafting Jimmy Clausen with our First Round Picks…. Only DT (McCoy or Price) or Eric Berry and OT Please.
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BHF, I have strong reserves about Your post. From my own experience and that of many people I know, anything that comes out of Oklahoma/Kansas area (politics, religion, scholastics , etc) should be taken with the grain of salt.
After reading Your post, I called a friend of mine (who “bleeds Sooner”) , and told him about what you posted…. He got good laughter out of it.
I am NOT saying Bradford is an idiot but I am highly suspect of the #36 on W.T. He might even become a good QB in NFL one day but, WT36 is not his true number.
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SeahawkFan12:
They won’t re-sign Hass, it’s getting more and more obvious that this regime does not want him anymore. Think Jon Kitna when Holmgren got here, 1 year and done. No way they re-sign him when he is 35 years old and has been plagued by injuries. If they could get Kolb, who is not a step down from Matt (check his stats) at this time, they would have to give up the farm, which they won’t do. Guarantee this, there will be a new QB in town via the draft or FA and Hass will be gone. PC wants his guys and with the final word, he will get them. This will not be the Seahawks team you know anymore it will be a completely different team. PC is taking all of the emotion out of this and going strictly business here. Not only does PC want to win, he wants to WIN NOW, his reputation is on the line.
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Seahawklover-
Yeah, that was a quote actually. I didnt express it as one though, so that was’nt my feelings on it, but rather something I read on Rotoworld. My bad if I missrepresented there.
As far as Bradford, I don’t know anything about his intelligence. Just thought it was an interesting report…obviously, if it is in fact true.
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I wonder if Matt might go to the Browns in a trade for Brady Quinn?
Holmy is very loyal to his old players and that is why Matt was picked up from the Packers in the first place. Who better to run his offense in Cleveland?
Seneca might not like that too much though.
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Heres a link if you want to read for yourself:
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/headlines.aspx?sport=NFL
All sorts of crazy information being bandied around this time of year though, and I have no clue as to the validity of or credibility of the source.
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rollo… You may be correct, but we sure don’t have much to go on yet…. just keep getting smoke & mirrors….. smoke & mirrors…. there hasn’t been a thing concrete except the Wallace move, which regardless of other moves, is a solid move on its’ own….
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Seattle is giving up a conditional 7th round pick in 2011 that could be a 6th depending on playing time for Seneca Wallace. sounds like a good deal for the Browns if he is their starter.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/03/post_19.html
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I mean “receiving” a 7th round pick. that could be a 6th.
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BHF, thanks for the link. I understand the “news” weren’t a product of Your imagination. I am just saying (knowing the amount of bias and pride when it comes to Bradford b/c of his Native and Oklahoma roots) if he goes top pick or does well in NFL there will be tremendous bragging on the part of that community.
Because of the Native owned casinos, there aren’t any problems with the material wealth any more. But, they need recognition for other things (they’ve been the recipients of ridicule for decades from the people in the neighboring states , mainly from TX) and they (Oklahomans) will do anything to score “points”in anything they can.
Sorry to go “political” again, but I felt I needed to explain my-self before I get jumped again.
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I think Holmy is trying to make Tod Leiweke eat crow about letting him go in “08 and again this year…. He can do much more with Hass and Wallace than T.R. ,Mora and Knapp could ever do. I would never doubt that.
As some of you have (maybe) noticed, I’ve always said that our team could have easily finished last season with 7-9 (or, better) with intelligent FO and adequate coaching.
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All good brother, thanks for the clarification, but I still don’t really understand what you’re saying…
Are you suggesting that he didnt actually score that well, and that the information is fabricated to boost OK morale or something?
Sorry if I’m being thick, sometimes I require blatant, straightfoward ideas in order to understand them
Cheers.
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6th round at best for Seneca? Wow….clearly we didn’t gauge the value Seneca has for Holmgren. If it was some other team I could see it – but given they have no QB in Cleveland and a guy that’s spent 6 years in the system about to be installed……1-0 Holmgren vs Seattle FO.
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Rollo,
I don’t doubt PC wants to win now, and if he has any different attitude, he is in fr a short tenure here.
My stance on Hass is that he is a proven winner and a LEADER. Kolb is not. Hass has been hammered thanks to a piss-poor O-line, which supports the argument for bringing in his heir apparent now.
But saying he is “done” is inaccurate. Thinking McNabb is a better option is comical. And thinking Kolb will take this team further than Hass is delusional.
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BHF, yes that is what I am saying. Fabricated WT results to boost his draft day chances since he isn’t doing anything else to justify the #1 over-all pick.
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“He will get re-signed, JUST AS HE DESERVES TO BE, and will have better seasons”
He won’t be re-signed, he doesn’t deserve to be, he may have better seasons than last, but not here.
Hasselbeck is done in Seattle and that’s good news for the win column.
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Antonio Bryant just signed for 7 mill per year in Cincy. That would be the absolute floor for Marshall.
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I wonder though if that would give us more leverage for Marshall, given that Cinci was one of the few other teams seemingly interested in him.
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Here’s my prediction of what’s going on with Hasselbeck…
I think the FO already has a trade deal in place for Hasselbeck but are not going to pull the trigger unless we can pick up a veteran QB to replace him. I think the FO has a committment from Holmgren for a 2nd round pick in this draft in trade for Hasselbeck, and we’re waiting to pull the trigger to make sure we can find a veteran like Mcnabb or Anderson to replace him. If we can sign a veteran to mentor the QB we draft this year, and pick up another draft choice in the process, we come out smelling pretty sweet. They may as well go that route because there is not reason to believe that Hass will be better in this system than a new guy because they would both be starting over. So, may as well strike while the iron is hot with Holmgren. Holmgren sets up the Browns at QB for another 2-3 years with veteran and backup. Bummer for Wallace but it makes sense for the Browns. That’s why the Browns are shopping Quinn.
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Wow, I can not believe that people just want to dismiss Matt so quickly when he played behind one of the worst O-lines in football with an offensive Cordinator that was terrible. And for Mcnabb who is just as injury prone and is an acclaimed choke artist according to almost any philly fan you talk too. I highly doubt that they are calling non-stop about Mcnabb except to say you should love him give him his contract and give us Kolb.
That would make sense since Kold is a young QB with a gun who looks like he is going to be a talent in this league for years. But for those of you wanting to get Matt out of here right now, careful what u wish for. Has Seattle fans forgotten already how hard it is to find a good QB? Remember the days of Stouffer, Mirer, MGwire, and Kitna. Oh how easy it is to forget how good Matt has been for us.
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And, this is the last year on Hass’s contract anyway…he’ll likely not get renewed…and if Holmgren was interested in Wallace, willing to dump Anderson, and looking to shop Quinn…he must have some veteran presence on mind…hard to believe he’s going to rest the team on Wallace. Stay tuned…also, how many of Hass’s receivers are returning next year? Whoever the QB is will have to develop a rapport with new receivers.
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Hasselbeck does deserve to be resigned here in SEA. Hass has 3-4 good years left – if Hawks can get a decent pass-pro OL, a #1WR and a run game. It’s mostly up to A.Gibbs and getting ZBing talent in FA or the draft. Look at Hass’ 1st game back from (and with) the broken ribs he got from Patrick Willis. Hawks toasted JAX and Hass was back to his old form (very good). Why? Because JAX had the worst pass rush in the league last season. It was the equivalent to having decent pass-pro. With decent pass-pro Hass plays like an All-Pro.
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In his prime, at his very best, Matt Hasselbeck was a successful system QB with high-caliber pieces around him as well as veteran receivers he had worked with for years.
With the system and pieces gone, Hasselbeck showed exactly what he is without them a year ago, which was a very bad quarterback.
Throw in the fact that he hasn’t played a full season in years and that he’s one or two good hits away from retirement, there’s no reason in the world to want him back in Seattle.
Seattle is going to draft either Tebow or Clausen and bring in a veteran QB, that’s going to happen, it’s pretty much set in stone, so pack away your Hasselbeck memories fondly, but get over it and move on.
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BobbyAyala,
Wow, pretty harsh even if you are correct about Hass being gone.
The fact that he holds pretty much every record for Seattle QB’s would indicate that he was more than just a ‘system’ QB with good people around him.
Remember in some of his best years he was stuck with WR’s who couldn’t hold on to the ball if you installed a handle on it, put it on the ground in front of them, and just asked them to bend down and pick it up. Those good years for Hass his WR’s were at the top or 1st in the league in dropped passes and yet Hass still holds every passing record in Seattle.
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That’s not harsh, I called him successful.
But if you think Matt Hasselbeck is a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, you’re wrong.
There’s nothing wrong with being a successful system QB, the ultimate system QB was Joe Montana, who many consider the best of all time.
Seattle fans oftentimes over-sentamentalize when it coems to their athletes because they have no winning tradition to lean on.
Logic dictates that Hasselbeck is done in Seattle.
Pete Carroll is trying to win next season, he’s trying to flip this team, Hasselbeck is old guard, but not only that, he stunk up the joint last season. Not all of that was because of the line. He made some throws last year that I hadn’t seen since we were playing Husky Stadium.
Put him in the Ring of Honor and, you know, do your thing, but don’t let your emotions for a “good guy” cloud your judgement about the football player.
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Hass played pretty well in ’05 when DJack and his other primary receiver went down early with injury, and he threw to some WRs TR brought in – Joe Jureviscious and (can’t remember his name). Give Matt some decent WRs and some pass-pro – and maybe a run game, and see what happens.
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BobbyAyala,
Nobody is comparing Hasselbeck to Maning or Brady, but to think Claussen or GOD FORBID Tebow (I just threw up n my mouth) could come in here and start in the next season is moronic.
Hasselbeck not only has 3-4 good years left in him, he it THE cornerstone of leadership on this team. He was the only warrior on the roster last season, and his sudden departure will leave a huge hole that cannot be replaced with an unproven rookie or a second-rate FA.
Dumping Hasselbeck is a bad move.
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I like the possibility of Anderson coming here but, to expect him to be a mentor to a rookie QB is ….( I’m taking three deeeeeeep breaths) wishful thinking.
You want a mentor, keep Hass, or sign Garcia for a back-up QB/QB coach deal.
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In terms of overall play, Kevin Kolb ranked 57th among NFL QBs – tied with Rex Grossman in HOU, Brian St Pierre and Matt Leinart in AZ, Marc Bulger in STL, Kellen Clemens in NY (Jets), and Senneca Wallace. Matt’s play ranked 22nd – and he had a horrible ’09, as bad as the ’08 year. Donovan McNabb was 13th, and PHI isn’t going to let him go anywhere.
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Darn it, there are college camps going on as we speak ( Sooners, etc), free agents popping-up…. most of the FO folks are signing or, looking at players….WHAT ARE OUR FO DOING NOW? I red PC was at some banquet trying to look pretty….. DARN IT, I am not a patient person.
How can he stay in Seattle and not go to watch McCoy and Trent Williams do their thing in Norman, OK?
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Tebow or Clausen wouldn’t be starting…
I don’t know what you consider a warrior, but I’ll take a non-warrior if his QB rating is north of 70.
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And you’ll get a QB rating form Hasselbeck if we draft some O-ling to protect him. You won’t get 70 or better out of anyone with our O-line.
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bobby, i used to almost respect your opinion, now i deem you a dunce.
hasselbeck will absolutely retire a seahawks in 3-4 years.
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My bad, meant to say competitive QB rating out of Hasselbeck (with a better O-line).
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Consider me what you will, the fact is Pete Carroll’s on the phone asking for an either/or of Eagle quarterbacks.
A “dunce” might be one who doesn’t realize exactly what that means.
But, go ahead and keep your head in the sand.
This is a new regime and there’s no way in hell Pete Carroll’s going to walk away from SC to come back into the league and lose.
All of that loyalty all of you guys feel for Matt Hasselbeck doesn’t exist in Renton anymore, and if you think they’re going to keep a broken down, ancient quarterback for what he was able to accomplish five years ago, you’re entitled to that opinion, but you’re also not on the side of logic or reason.
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Pete Carroll’s not on the phone with PHI – he’s at a banquet speechafying. Maybe Idzik or one of Schneider’s helpers are calling, but that could be because they’re trying to increase McNabbs or Kolb’s trade value, looking at AZ trying to trade for a vet QB and making sure they spend as much as they can.
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Matt is not as good as Favre, but lets compare the ’08 stats of Favre to his stats in ’09. What changed? Surrounding talent. Put any decent QB (like Matt) on a team with talent and he’s going to do well. Put any decent QB (like Favre) on a team with limited talent and he’s an old washed up has been such as Favre in ’04, ’05, ’08. I’m so sick of idiots thinking someone sucks because he has no supporting cast.
Who is saying Matt is as good as good as Manning or Brady? I don’t know of anyone who would make that claim. As much as I like Matt, he’s not in their class. But he’s a damn fine player.
And not all QBs can play well with good surrounding talent. There’s too many players like T. Jackson who have proved that a bad player can’t play the QB position well even if they are surrounded by talent.
Hey, I’m all for getting a QB (even a couple) in the upcoming draft, but I’m not all for getting rid of good players who still have a couple of years remaining in the tank. And if P.C. does want to win now, well, wouldn’t it make sense to upgrade the talent around Matt more than spending a bunch of resources on a QB so that player can continually get his ass kicked behind a bunch of losers again?
And I may go nuts if we band-aid the OL for a 5th consecutive off-season instead of acquiring at least a little bit of legit talent. I don’t care what anyone says, Gibbs may be better than Solari, but it’s not by a big margin. If Solari can’t get stiffs playing well, it’s wishful thinking that Gibbs is going to magically get this unit performing again. And if you think Gibbs is God, look at the crappy Houston OL in ’09 and understand that even he needs more talent to work with.
Nevertheless, I assume some people think Brees would have had the exact same passer rating as a Saint this past year as he would have as a Redskin, Bill, or Seahawks. That’s how stupid some people’s minds work.
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Christ, he threw for ~4,000 yards and 28 touchdowns in the 07 season. A back problem in 08, ribs in 09. Both were aggravated by taking too many hits/sacks. 34 is not old for a QB in the modern era of football. Favre will be back, Warner just had some of the better years of his career, Manning is the same age.
The difference between Hasselbeck and Manning is that Manning doesn’t take hits, has playmakers around him (wayne and harrison anyone?, also Edge in his prime), and a stout defense.
The only playmaker Hasselbeck has ever had was named Shaun Alexander. No pro-bowl receivers, and he made magic in 07 with bobby engram. If he gets a new T and G, and Marshall, mark my words, you will be saying great things about him again, just as I’m sure you did in 2007.
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Bobby: Valid point about the O-Line in houston, but I absolutely think Hasselbeck is better than Schaub. Give Hasselbeck his “Andre Johnson”, and a mediocre line, and some things will happen. Without a doubt they will.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah, Seahawks personell are trying to mess with Philly because they’re worried about what AZ is doing.
Wow, that’s a new one for me.
So much hate for Pete Carroll, so much love for Matt Hasselbeck.
The regional homerism is almost too much to take at times.
I love what Matt brought to the table in his prime with his coach and his players. Time marches on folks, and Matt Hasselbeck is no longer an upper echelon NFL QB. That doesn’t make him any less valuable a human being, nor does it make those of us who wish for the rebuilding process to begin in earnest complete morons.
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RADEoN – I assume that was for the other bobby, since I hadn’t posted anything on this thread today (except for a couple of minutes ago).
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Matt Hasselbeck doesn’t have the arm or the instincts of Brett Favre.
Favre won three MVP’s in a row, Hasselbeck was a Pro Bowl starter.
You can’t compare the two the hypothetical because they aren’t on even footing to begin with.
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Didn’t I specifically say Matt is not as good as Favre? What part of that didn’t you understand?
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And then you went on to make the point that Brett surrounded by talent made him better and the same would happen with Matt, which I disagree with.
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At the end of the season, Forsett and Jones both averaged five yards per carry. The line got better after Unger took over at center.
Yet, in the last few games, Matt was overthrowing everyone just like he did when he started in Seattle. He threw way too many picks and was making incredibly poor decisions.
You can blame that on the line, but I blame it on the system.
Matt was bad before Holmgren, became good under Holmgren, and went back to bad without Holmgren.
Without Holmgren’s system, Matt will not succeed.
Therefore, this team needs a new starting quarterback.
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A lot of those interceptions were intended for deion branch who obviously wasn’t trying.
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BobbyAyala,
I sympathize with you in fighting against the grain here. I lived in SF right at the time that the 9rs were making the switch from Montana to Young and you would have thought that Young was Hitler/the devil/Charles Manson re-incarnate by the way he was treated by the fans for having the nerve to even consider replacing GOD, um I mean Joe. All Young did was follow Montana into the HOF.
Matt’s time to move on will come and it may be sooner than people want to admit. But give the guy his due. He’s by far the best QB Seattle has ever had and he has earned the loyalty he is being shown by the fans.
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By the time that final month happened, Matt was so battered that there was no confidence of any kind remaining in anything (banged up body/shoulder included).
If you have ever played sports, you need confidence. So even though Matt did have a bit better protection and a decent running game that final month, he was so f-ed up with no confidence in anything (his line to protect him) he was hurrying the crap out of everything and he legitimately sucked the last month. I won’t dispute that at all. Matt was flat out bad. He was about as bad as the line blocking for him or the crappy WRs that were on the other end of his passes (remember, Nate was out most of that time). Housh is slower than Terrence Cody so there’s no vertical threat there. Butler is the slowest fast player I have ever seen. And aside from Branch in the final game, where he did well (after he spouted his mouth), he sucked, as he usually does.
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I’m NOT taking away from Hasselbeck at all, the guy was a great QB in his time, but his time is over, and that’s okay!!!! It happens to everyone.
Where was all this lingering love for Shaun Alexander when he hit the wall?
Everyone hated Shaun and wanted him out, and you know why? Because of their personal feelings for the guy. Everyone thought he was a pussy on the field and kind of a selfish guy off of it.
People see Matt get the snot knocked out of him in SF and him busting his butt to get back on the field, and they fall in love with him.
Now, looking at it LOGICALLY and not EMOTIONALLY, both players deserved their due, but also needed to be shown the door at the proper time.
One gets treated like a pariah, the other is treated like a God, but really, they both should be treated the same way.
There’s too much emotion in Seattle fandom, I’m sorry, you don’t “gotta love these guys” if they don’t win, and you’re not a “bandwagon” fan for seeing things the way they are.
Here’s something to consider.
If Matt Hasselbeck is a Pro Bowler just needing a decent line to play behind, then why didn’t Mike Holmgren of all people come calling for Matt Hasselbeck instead of Seneca Wallace, who has yet to win a damn thing in his career?
Obviously PC and JS would’ve been receptive to that conversation knowing what we know now. Obviously, if Mike Holmgren can see the writing on the wall, the rest of us might want to take a look at it ourselves.
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Amen Ayala!
I don’t live in Washington anymore, but I can tell the natives in Washington: the NFL loves to play Hasselbeck without Holmy there to protect him.
AZ is praying Hasselbeck stays. I imagine SF thinks he’s soft as well.
Hasselbeck was a great player from 2003-2007. I love the guy for what he was. He is in decline. He was never Farve and never will be.
For a nice analogy:
Most commenters on this blog abhor the idea of brining in McNabb. Why? Hell, he is too injury prone and too old. That’s LOL funny! I wouldn’t want McNabb either, and he is twice as talented as Hasselbeck.
Just imagine this, because PC has: 3rd game of the year, Locklear blows an assignment, Matt gets creamed and hurts his back. Teel comes in and Seattle loses just enough games to get the 5th pick in the 2011 draft. Seattle cannot move up to get Locker, and Hasselbeck retires. Seattle is completely effed as an organization. No veteran, no future.
Oh well. Hold on to your blankies Seattle fans. A new era is just 6 weeks away.
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Hasselbeck in decline. The Hawks went to the SB with 8 pro bowlers on the team. That exited GM left this team with backups as starters. The Smurfs would be a good nick name. Hass may not be performing at a pro bowl level but look at his conterpart Bulger with the rams. Supply the talent and they’ll deliver the wins.
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Dude, Locker is NOT the only good QB coming out in the next draft. Polish your crystal ball sometimes if you want to predict future.
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We don’t know that Mike Holmgren hasn’t made that call (about Hasselbeck.) But since Cleveland is rebuilding, I don’t think they want to build around an old QB. If Hasselbeck were on another team, I don’t think Seattle would be looking to trade for him (unless Carroll actually thinks he can go for it this year.)
Wallace is cheap, a proven backup that knows Holmgren’s system, and could be a OK starter for a rebuilding team, and can hold the fort for a few games on a good team. So the trade price was reasonable for a player that can do that.
No matter how little you value Hasselbeck, he’d take more than a conditional 7th rounder to obtain. He’s worth more to Seattle than that, even if they drafted a young QB #1 and sat Hasselbeck as a high-priced backup. But I doubt Cleveland would offer very much for him unless they thought they were a QB away and wanted to jump start the team.
If Cleveland would offer a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Hasselbeck, I think Seattle should take it, but I don’t think Seattle could get that price for him. And a 4th rounder or less isn’t worth it to Seattle, even if it reflects his open market value.
I suspect the Philly noise is Philly trying to drum up interest. If so, you’ll *NEVER* see Seattle deal with Philly until Carroll and Reid are gone, because there would be bad blood between them if that were true. Personally, I don’t think Seattle is stupid enough to let that leak (“non-stop calls” – why? Isn’t one call enough?) That characterization sounds like a little embellishment of any truth, planted to a Philly insider, to try and drum up a market. I don’t think otherwise, there are crowds bashing down Philly’s door for QB trade deals (unlike what Philly anticipated.)
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All this talk about Matt being washed up is getting tiring. He needs a line that can block for him longer than a second, he also needs WR’s to actually run the correct route. And it probably will help to have a system (unlike Knapp’s) that actually might work. It also wouldnt hurt to have RB’s that get 5 yds avg per carry.
Also having a guy that snaps the ball with the “stranger” is just kinda stupid. Bad coaching decision and the player should not get the blame – he is just trying to play – coaches should be smarter about that especially when you had Unger just one position over.
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There is another HUGE difference between and old, injury prone McNabb and the old, injury prone Matt. We have Matt. He costs us NOTHING to trade for.
And I have been on record as saying I’d be all for Sam Bradford if he fell to #6. How does this make me a homer who wants Matt to be our QB for a long time? I’ve even said multiple times that if we can’t get Bradford, that we could/should use TWO mid round picks on the QB position. The position is that important and we cannot be without a successor. I want to prepare for life without Matt. I’m advocating it. I just want to keep riding Matt until a successor is in place and ready to take over. I don’t want to dump him for the sake of dumping him, like some people seem to want. But I don’t know how anyone can argue that any QB will perform better if he has better talent around him.
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BobbyAyala
I appreciate your honest and logical opinion, but this is the last place for anyone to listen to reason. I said basically the same thing last summer and was blasted. There are some people that watch sports and blindly support anyone, even when their “done”(aka Ken Griffey Jr.). There are others that simply see it as a game comprised of players, young, old, talented, injury prone, clutch, choker.
To most on here Hasselbeck can do no wrong, even when he plays terrible. I can site numerous games he was terrible, yet there’s always someone else to blame.
Here’s another counterpoint-let’s say “Matt has another 2-4 years left” argument thrown on here as gospel actually has some legs; why not try to change things up a little and see if we can find someone that makes us good for 8-12 years? There is more than one way to skin a cat. Speaking of Senecat, if we didn’t get higher than a 6th round pick we got fleeced.
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a quarterback taken in a round other than a 1st isn’t going to be a wasted QB. Hass and Brady were both 6th rounders who were groomed and worked with. I could see a 3rd+round quarterback being taken, and hasselbeck making him a prolific passer.
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Common sense will tell you that if Holmgren wanted Wallace he really wants Hasselbeck. There is an offer on the table for Hass, and it’s probably a 2nd rounder, which is why the Seahawks FO is frantically trying to secure a veteral QB.
By the time our rebuild is complete, Hass will be 36 or 37 years old. The FO is smart enough to realize that Holmy wants Hasselbeck and we’re not going to lose much and by letting him go at this point. Let’s face it, we’re rebuilding and Hass is no longer the QB of the future. And, with all of the changes going on right now Hass may as well be a new hire. Branch is probably gone. Burleson is gone. Engram is long gone. TJ, Butler (who’s young) are going to remain but we’re going to bring in some new blood at WR. What is the advantage of keeping Hass at this point? DA has some pro bowls under his belt and he wouldn’t do much worse than Hass in this new system. The difference is that we could sign him and trade Hass to Cleveland for a possible 2nd rounder. I like Hass…alwayus have…but this team is not close to competing at a hight level, so everything is about the future. By the time the future gets here, Hass will either be gone because he’s not renewed after this year, or he’ll even older and broken down.
That’s why the FO is going to try to get something from him and because of Holmgren’s loyaty to former players, he’s the perfect mark to work out a trade. Our FO is going to capatilzie on one of Holmgren’s greatest weaknesses…loyalty to player who are past their prime or in trouble with off the field issues. Mark my words…Hass is going to be traded to Cleveland just as soon as the Seahawks find a veteran QB to step in.
The FO would be stupid to ignore Hass’s trade value to Clevveland when another QB could step into the new system and perform as well as Hass will. Think about it.
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Just read that the Seahawks are close to acquiring a third round pick that they could use to sign Whitehurst from San Diego. Hmmm…A trade to Cleveland for a 3rd rounder? Who could possibly be on the trading block and especially given our interest in all of these veteral QBs. Hass for a 3rd rounder? I could see Cleveland doing that.
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“Why haven’t we heard anything about the Hawks contacting ex Colt lineman,
Ryan Lilja ?????”
That was exactly my question as soon as I read that Lilja was cut.
I’m wondering if Clausen is there at 5, maybe Holmgren makes a deal on April 22nd with KC to move up two spots, give up their 3rd (the have the Jets third late in the round but the points value isn’t there with that one for a trade) to trade up two spots and take Clausen ahead of us.
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What’s up with this “your comment is awaiting moderation” thing? That’s really hampering the conversation here…and it’s going to diminish, if not kill this blog. Some of the best threads are just rapid fire conversations by several people who are online at one time. If we have to wait for moderation, that’s going to hamper the conversation. Sigh.
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I would rather do something like this than use a 1st round pick on a QB.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/10/whitehurst-to-visit-seahawks-next/
I support this (or something like it). If Matt plays well in 2010, you can always franchise him (don’t laugh yet) and keep him for around another year. Everyone here will agree that if he plays great in 2010 (thanks to improved talent/protection) that he should come back in ’11. If he doesn’t play well in 2010, we can let him go and let the new QB take over. Again, if Matt doesn’t play well in ’10… he can even be benched and the new QB can officially begin his run… I want to win as much as the rest of you and if Matt isn’t the QB to lead us then I’m okay with that. I simply don’t feel you have seen what he can do the last two years because of the sh!tkicking he’s endured and with (mostly) the lack of big play talent at the WR position. But if he’s done, fine, kick him to the curb and have a legit Plan B ready to take over. To me, this is a no lose situation.
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It’s Duke’s fault. LOL
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TNT web guy here:
@Audible:
It’s not comment moderation. It’s actually our spam filter screwing up.
Today we isolated the problem and tomorrow we’re going to implement the fix. Hang on for another day.
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Bad enough if Jim Moron’s idiot step son is calling Philly, but INEXCUSABLE when it leaks to the media & Hasselbeck hears it.
AWFUL HIRE.
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I’m not even seeing awaiting moderation. Sometimes I get a php error message, some times i get a blank page. Sometimes my posts appear, sometimes they’re delayed, & sometimes they never appear. This has been going on for several weeks.
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“It’s Duke’s fault.” – One of the most commonly spoken sentences in the English language. lol.
nighthawk2 – I’ve wondered about that today also, after reading that Quinn too, is on the market. Perhaps not just for Clausen, but between him or Bradford, whomever he likes, is still there. KC would seem ripe for a trade like that since they could seemingly go in any number of directions.
Audible – Where did you read that about acquiring a 3rd round pick?
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ozzy – ok brain child. Lets suppose you draft a qb. What is the success rate you flyin’ cynic?
educate yourself moron. Of all the qb’s how many pan out ?? shut that pie hole!!!!
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2010&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
Look pal i am so sorry your parents are catholic but you were so barbie doll!
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olsonc – NO i
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haven’t paid attention to what you’ve said. You’re not worthy. Mat is a pro bowl QB U be och . Nothin but a whiner who is dunkin in drunkin.
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Bob to the K,
I haven’t been around much lately, so I’m not fully apprised of your Matt theories, so I apologize if it sounded like I was calling you out. I wasn’t, and I’m not, you almost always make sense.
I guess the trend I’m seeing with Seahawks fans since Carroll took over is an inherent pesemism and a resistance to change, which I don’t agree with.
For me, this new regime is a total cleansing, and while I appreciate what Matt has done here, the quicker the future QB is in place, the sooner he will develop and help us win games.
Personally, I like Matt just as much as the rest of you, but with that said, it would be better for Matt to find a place on a team that is a good QB away from contention, rather than starting over yet again in Seattle.
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I think Clausen is the 6th pick that PC is coveting. This other QB stuff sounds like trying to let Holmie think we’re not going with QB….because you can bet Holmgren would trade up to 5 to get him. Only cost him a 3rd round pick which they have 2 of.
Clausen scares me, but if that’s the pick, at least we have an answer at QB for down the road.
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So lets start another Stouffer. How about McGwire or Mirer. You talk a good game and I listen K but your not as intelligent as you let on. Wink
Warren Moon or McNabb. Both washed out over the hill. Your solution. Just move on…
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Nicholas J. Cotsonika, of the Detroit Free Press, reports free-agent OG Chester Pitts (Texans) said on Sirius NFL Radio that the Detroit Lions, Miami Dolphins, Cincinnati Bengals and Seattle Seahawks have expressed interest in him.
Danny O’Neil, of The Seattle Times, reports the Seattle Seahawks will host free-agent QB Charlie Whitehurst (Chargers).
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Everything works together, nothing’s in a vacuum. Hass is a WCO QB whose forte is accuracy and timing. He throws quickly to places where his receivers are supposed to be even before they make their cuts. Knapps play-call language changes didn’t help. Bates’ language will match Holmgren’s much closer.
According to TJ, he wasn’t getting open running his routes “that wasn’t working” so TJ’s solution was to “make things happen”. TJ isn’t a #1 ‘X’ WR but a slot guy for a reason. He doesn’t create separation but for an instant. If he ran his routes proper he’d have some chance to get the ball in stride with YAC. Instead, he ran to open parts of the field (maybe that’s how C. Palmer worked with him?) Nate was probably let go because accurate route running was never his strong suite. Branch had a much better ’08 than ’09, not sure what happened last season – but it wasn’t good.
Hass was also delivering the ball before they were expecting it – to prevent the sack. Hass’ solution was for the WRs to get more accurate running their routes. The two lines of thought didn’t intersect, and DBs got lotsa picks. Matt’s mainstay is (was) the play-action pass which relies on the threat of the draw-play which needs the run game to work.
For the run game to work the OL has to ZB properly, get hats on knees/shins and open up some holes and lanes with DL cut blocked to the ground and LBers blocked outta the plays path. That didn’t happen ’till Unger and Spencer switched. Hawks OL did not actually get better overall when Unger and Spencer switched positions. Overall, they declined.
The run game slightly improved, but pass-blocking performance declined. Spencer wasn’t as good at pass-pro @ RG, and Unger wasn’t as good as Spencer at pass-pro @ C. That’s the main reason why the increased picks in those last few games.
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Where’s my money, BobbyAyala?
Still feeling sorry for yourself instead of getting a job?
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I think the Seahawks are most likely causing distraction from their true intentions(i.e. draft) with the McNabb thing. Always best to not show your hand. But, I will admit I would like to see some “real” activity in the FA market before everyone is signed. Does anyone know if the receiver from SD ( forget his name) is a FA and has he signed anywhere?
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Bobby – I’m not interested in something like that. The magician is just the kind of player I’d prefer not being brought in. What role would he fill? An eventual replacement for Matt or a back up? Is there any evidence he’s capable of either? And I understand there is a long history of Seahawk first round QB picks that didn’t pan out. Of course 2 of those 3 (Mirer and McGwire) that excile point to were taken under the Flores / Behring, so that measure may be skewed and Stouffer’s “development” was also under that failed and inept regime. (Also, they all sucked.) If they like either Bradford or Clausen (I like Bradford), I simply don’t think they can afford to not take one at 6. Matt’s days are coming to an end. I would like them to have Matt’s replacement in the fold and “ready” with the ’12 season in mind. If that has to be moved up due to injury, or pushed back a season, at least they now have flexibility.
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Why do I feel that Bradford and Clausen are not going to pan out. What Qb’s have come out of a spread and have been successful? On Clausen, Im seeing him cash the check and then checking out, just a gut feeling I get from him, it’s hard to explain.
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Maybe Oklahoma was spread, but Notre Dame played a Charlie Weis offense.
Charlie Weis Offense (per Brock Huard): Adaptation of the Erhardt-Perkins offense, “pass to score, run to win”, known for multiple formations and personnel groupings on a core of base plays. Under Belichick, each formation and play were separately numbered, and additional word descriptions modified each play. Under Parcells C Weis’ offense was called a smash mouth type offense, it maximized the team’s TOP, didn’t call on RBs to be receivers. Offense is well suited for teams playing in harsh outdoor weather conditions. C Weis’ offense used the run to set up the pass via the play action pass, faking the run to set up deep passes when the secondary bit on the faked run. As NFL rules changed to benefit passing, C Weis’ offense adapted to take advantage where matchups occurred with empty backfields and 5 potential receivers. Belichick emphasized a wide open passing attack in ’07 with this offense. Adherents: Belichick’s Pats, Parcells w/NYG, Cowher’s Steelers, CAR Panthers w/J Davidson, KC Chiefs w/C Gailey, DEN Broncos w/J McDaniels, & ND under Weis.
Hawks are WCO. J Bates said he’s gonna play the Broncos offense (under Mike Shannahan) .
West Coast Offense (per Brock): Offensive system that emphasizing rhythm and tempo. Progression passing offense which uses high percentage short slant passes and RBs as receivers. Timing, 3-step and throw. Read the defense, manipulate zone defenses by stretching the field both vertically and horizontally. QBs should be mobile since RBs may not be available to block, and large receivers able to gain YAC are preferred. Adherents: M Holmgren, M Shanahan, M McCarthy, S Payton, A Reid, and CHI’s Ron Turner.
Clausen may be closer to Shannahan’s Broncos offense, but he still played in a fairly different offense and the things he learned might have to be unlearned, just not to Bradford’s extent.
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I know Clausen wasn’t spread, thats way I explained two different things for each one. And quoting Brock, come on, your better than that.
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Snydro…
Still feeling very sorry for myself, as is my MO, still waiting for that Snydro blog to pop off, but haven’t heard a thing.
Truth told, my 20 dollar paypal deposit bounced.
Next time you try and earn money as a writer, let me know, if you succeed, I’ll shoot myself in the face, because truly, my life’s work was wasted.
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