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Rang on Hawks: DE Pierre-Paul a good fit at No. 14

Post by Eric Williams on March 9, 2010 at 1:09 pm with 45 Comments »
March 9, 2010 1:09 pm

I had a chance to talk to NFLDraftScout.com senior draft analyst Rob Rang about last week’s NFL scouting combine and what the Seahawks might be thinking heading into April’s draft. Rang also gave me his risers and fallers from last week’s combine.

You can check out Rang’s latest mock draft here. He has Seattle selecting Tennessee safety Eric Berry at No. 6 overall, and Seattle taking South Florida defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul at No. 14 overall.

Check out Pierre-Paul’s athletic ability in this video clip of him doing back flips.

Rang said he has Seattle taking Berry because he believes the Tennessee safety is among the three elite players in this year’s draft, joining Nebraska’s Ndamukong Suh and Oklahoma’s Gerald McCoy.

“I think if he’s available at six than he should absolutely be a candidate for Seattle,” Rang said. “With the receivers that are in this division, I think if Seattle is going to compete then they have to get better at the safety position. I think he’ll also help against the running game.”

And on Pierre-Paul at No. 14, Rang had this to say: “I think with Alex Gibbs as the offensive line coach, I think you’re going to see the team have the luxury of focusing on the offensive line and running back positions later on in the draft.”

Rang believes if you’re looking for an elite pass rusher in the draft you have to find them early, and that he could see Seattle taking a bit of a gamble on someone like Pierre-Paul. Rang also said he’s rates Georgia Tech defensive end Derrick Morgan higher than Pierre-Paul, and that Morgan should be someone that the Seahawks consider at No. 6.

Here is Rang’s description of Pierre-Paul: “He has eye-popping athletic ability. He’s 6-5, 260 pounds and runs well. He has real long arms, which certainly with any defensive end you love to have that, because it allows them to keep off the reach of the offensive tackle.

“He’s developing his instincts. He has the agility to not only beat pass blockers with his initial speed rush, but also to kind of jab step outside and redirect inside. He has the type of skills that usually would warrant a top-10 pick. I think if he slides down to 14, that might be too much for Seattle or any other team at that point to let him slide much farther.”

Some people have compared Pierre-Paul to DeMarcus Ware, but Rang believes that comparison is not a great one because Pierre-Paul has not proven he can play out in space as a 3-4 rush linebacker. He believes Pierre-Paul is more like former Tennessee Titans defensive end Jevon Kearse.

Rang also said that he believes Pierre-Paul is more of a weak-side edge rusher, and that Lawrence Jackson should be allowed to continue to develop as a strong-side end.

Overall, Rang says the Seahawks have been harder to read in terms of their strategy heading into April’s draft with Pete Carroll and John Schneider in charge.

“The Seahawks are quite savvy with their expectations of what they’re going to be doing,” Rang said. “By not focusing on any one player or one position, I think the Seahawks have done a masterful job of kind of allowing the board to come to them and not pigeon-holing themselves into one player or position. … I don’t feel like anybody has any type of real feel on where Seattle is leaning at this point.”

Rang also mentioned to watch for Seattle to take a quarterback at the top half of the draft if Sam Bradford or Jimmy Clausen is available.

Rang also offered a few risers and fallers from last week’s combine.

Risers: Rang said that typically most folks get caught up with the guys like Maryland offensive tackle Bruce Campbell, who put up gaudy numbers and garner some attention from the media during the week. However, Rang said typically the guys who boost their stock are players who can prove they are medically fit who may have had medical issues heading into the draft, like Oklahoma tight end Jermaine Gresham or Clemson linebacker Ricky Sapp

“Any player who missed some time due to injury during the year and proved that they are healthy, those are going to be the guys that improved their stock the most,” Rang said.

That said, Rang did offer a couple names he thought may have moved up a couple slots based on performance.

Ryan Mathews, RB Fresno State: “He really helped himself with a strong showing, especially in the 40-yard dash.”

Jarrett Brown, QB West Virginia: “Considering that he was the most impressive quarterback at the Senior Bowl, he also helped his stock.”

Also helping themselves according to Rang were wide receivers Jacoby Ford out of Clemson and Golden Tate out of Notre Dame.

Fallers: Rang said that sometimes guys dropping can be overstated because a very small percentage of the scouting is judged on combine workouts and results. But he believes some players did perhaps drop because of what happened at the combine.

Arrelious Benn, WR Illinois: “A lot of people had him pegged as a possible, first-round pick, but in watching him during the receiver-quarterback drills he struggled with his footwork. And he dropped some balls that I certainly expected him to catch.”

Jordan Shipley, WR Texas: “He also struggled with his footwork and dropped some balls that I didn’t think he would drop.”

Tony Pike, QB Cincinnati: “He sprayed the ball all over the field a little bit during drills.”

Joe Haden, CR Florida: “I think there’s too much good film on Haden to see him slip too far, but he’s going to have improve upon his time, because it wasn’t just the 40-yard dash. It was all across the board. He was much slower and less athletic than a lot of people expected.”

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  1. If Ruskell were still drafting, I could see going with two defensive players. But I think the new regime understands that scoring points might be important, so I don’t buy the idea we’re going to take two defensive players.

  2. Does Rang know of any pro caliber Tackles Pierre-Paul dominated this past season?

  3. Dukeshire says:

    I couldn’t disagree more with Rang’s thinking here and there are two main reasons why:

    1- Deprioritizing talent upgrade on the o-line in favor of Gibbs’ coaching skills, at best limits what Gibbs will be able to accomplish with that unit. If LT isn’t the most significant need on this team, it is certainly on a short list. This isn’t to say that they must use 6 or 14 on a tackle but to relegate it to “later in the draft status” is to suggest the talent is already in place with only a tweak from competence. That simply isn’t the case. One of the first 3 picks ought to be committed to adding that talent at either 6, 14 or 40 at the latest.

    2- DE in not even the most significant need on the d-line, NT is. The collection of DEs they currently have is at worst serviceable and potentially very good, the same cannot be said for NT. Neither Cole, Bryant nor Terrill are what I would consider anything above situational players and not very good ones at that. To me, NT is a near crisis situation, not unlike LT. In addition, I’m not interested in a player at 14 that is “developing his instincts”. Skill? Perhaps. But he had better already have a nose for the game if the ‘Hawks are to overlook areas of far greater need in favor of a project. In the mean time, Seattle may consider not falling behind by 14 points in the first quarter of nearly every game they play and controlling the game clock if they want to improve the pass rush.

  4. OG, Ryan Lilja released by Colts…. 28 yrs old, starter including Super Bowl… He’s got to be an upgrade for us…..

  5. Dukeshire, I couldn’t agree with you more.I,ve said befor that I think PC is going to take Mays at #6 I would like to see an OT at #6 an a DT like Jason Odrick at #14.then Mays,or the best CB on the board at #40.

  6. Gang bangers with guns are scary people. I wouldn’t mess with them. With that being said, it’s probably wise to wait for the D. Williams murder trial to get over before making a trade with the Broncos. I certainly don’t mean to be funny, but Marshall might not even be alive to play in the NFL next season depending the verdict. From an organizational standpoint, I wouldn’t want to trade for a guy and have him killed. Again, this isn’t meant to be in bad taste, just that gang bangers are crazy people who do some pretty wild things that most of us would never consider.

  7. vichawkfan says:

    IBGoofy – agree. Size and skill set the Gibbs line wants.

  8. seahawklovertoo says:

    Pabuwal, 100% great question. The short answer is : NO & NONE !
    Duke , point 1 agree. Point 2 ditto….developing ” instincts” is for 6th and 7th rounders ; not for someone to be picked 14th over-all and paid 20 mill.
    IBG, I saw that too. I hope our FO has made the phone call and signed the guy by now.

  9. Yeah, can we really spend both 1st rounders on defensive players with the state of our offense right now? And having lost Nate as well? I’d be very surprised.

  10. IdahoHawk says:

    Browns released Anderson. Boy! Did not see that coming.

  11. 02/25/2010 – Idaho’s Mike Iupati, NFLDraftScout.com’s top rated offensive guard for the past several months has the athletic ability and long reach to consider moving outside to tackle. But, considering his massive frame, strength, aggression and quick feet, doesn’t a move to the defensive side of the ball also possible? “Big Mike” certainly thinks so: “I really love defense,” Iupati said during the interview session at the Combine. “That’s my favorite passion of the game of football. I know I’m very physical and can hold up two gaps and take double teams, stuff like that. I always tried to push my [Idaho] coach to make me a defensive player because I know I am pretty good at that. But they like me at offensive line. It’s kind of hard in college to play both ways. They did put me on the goal line (defense).” Despite his passion and obvious physical attributes, Iupati has not been asked by any NFL scouts, thus far, about moving to the defensive side of the ball. “I guess they think I’m good at guard and don’t want to move me,” he said. Iupati is a talented guard prospect and considering his relative inexperience (started playing football in high school), it might be too much to try to switch him to a different position just as he is about to enter the pros. Should he struggle with the greater focus on technique that will be required for success in the NFL, however, a switch to the defensive side of the ball is a potential option to consider. – Rob Rang, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com

    We need o-line, This guy could go both ways or move to tackle. This is what we need not an athletic DE who may or may not. DE Morgan is going to be good whether on the strong or weak side.
    Terrence Cody at 40 then a possible switch to the 3-4.
    DE Jackson, NT Cody, DE Mebane
    OLB Tapp, ILB Tatupu, ILB Hawthorne, OLB Curry

    The switch back to 4-6 would only require Tapp back to RDE, replace Hawthorne with Hill. And Cole could spell Cody.
    DE Jackson, NT Cody, DT Mebane, DE Tapp
    OLB Hill, MLB Tatupu, OLB Curry

    I believe it is Baltimore using both a 3-4 4-6 this season. Seahawks used the 3-4 1983 – 89 with NT Nash 6-3 280.

    In any event, something must be done with the D interior line. Indy blew them off the line of scrimmage. The manhandling from the onset left little doubt of the eventual outcome.

  12. vichawkfan says:

    excile – this is my 2nd favorite 14th pick after Trent Williams. Read somewhere Gibbs saying C and G’s are the most important positions on the line etc etc….Unger next to Iupati would solve a lot of running issues. Can play tackle as well. Dude measures out like Hutchinson, 6’5 325lbs and mean. Fingers crossed, Berry and TW or Iupati.

  13. in my quest for hawks knowledge any way to be able to see the hawks nest blog??

    Being a Utah man I couldnt agree more with beadles. the dude is smart and solid on the line.

  14. hawkforever21 says:

    If they could get Berry and Iupati……and somehow get a DT and OT in free agency, or with their 2nd rounder…..I like their chances.

    I think I’m off the Marshall wagon for now. I’d love to see his skills on our team, but sometimes there’s just too much baggage…..and at too much of a cost.
    Somehow though, they need to get that game-breaking receiver or RB….or both!

  15. seahawklovertoo says:

    Sometimes I don’t get this 7 figure compensated sports execs. Example : Colts recently released OG Lilja . The guy is 28 years old, without any health issues. He was there for their SB win….. Polian went on the rag and had to blame someone for losing in the SB ( which they would have never dreamed of considering the new coach and the issues with the OC retirement,etc) and he cuts the guard…. I mean, he might not be Jahri Evans but, he is not chopped liver either. What is the gain in waiting to bringing him in and signing him right away. If Lilja wants to be here —-take him. Pick up the darn phone and call his agent, darn it !

  16. seahawklovertoo says:

    The point I am trying to make is this : Gaither is there ( and Ozzie Newsome has declared that he would negotiate/accept less than (example) #6 in return—that is why I suggested Gaither and safety Landry for our #6). Sign OG Lilja ; draft Trent Williams or Iupati with our 14, plus take someone like OG John Jerry in the fifth round and we will have a killer offensive line (behind which even I could throw the ball) for the next 6 years. How hard is that to do?
    Take mount Cody with our #40 (that almost rimes) and rusher to be developed with later picks……Our DL would be pretty good as well.
    Landry could be matched with Grant at safety….. not bad at all. Enough to beat the Niners this year.

  17. In past drafts, Rang has been very accurate in mocking what Hawks did in at least the first 3 rounds. He said it’s not very easy to see what PC & JS are apt to do in this draft, but Hawks really should be able to take any player that’s BPA this draft. Hawks need everything ‘cept maybe LB, though I’m not so sure the LBing core doesn’t need upgrading too. Problem is to value engineer the team’s position personnel as it exists vs who’s needed to fill positions in PC’s new schemes.

    TR followed old WCO pro personnel rules:
    “Build through the draft, fill needs via FA”,
    “Build from the lines back”,
    “Acquire offense through FA and defense thru the draft”,
    “Take BPA vs reaching to fill needs”, and
    “Where position needs dictate picks, trade picks back and/or forth to get a position of need player at his BPA spot.”
    that are being questioned today, along with his “Character first” rule.

    For PC’c schemes it seems Hawks need both starters and depth at OL, DL, DBs, WR, RB, TE, ST, P/KR, & QB. They’re in the middle of FA, so it’s very difficult to know what they’re gonna be doing – are they bringing back their own FAs? Dunno. They lost their PR/WR Nate – are they going for B.Marshall in FA, draft a PR? Dunno. Is Walt coming back, or are they drafting LT – and where? Dunno(?) Lotsa speculation on that one – FA or draft, early or later? Are Spencer and Sims coming back? Dunno. Without SW are they gonna get a vet buckup QB, or take a rookie high in the draft? Dunno. Is Cory Redding coming back? Dunno. Etc.

  18. seahawklovertoo says:

    BK, that flies with me too. I do like Landry at safety. If it looks like I am flip-flopping on my previous posts , it is b/c three days ago I couldn’t even dream of Gaither, Landry or Lilja being available to sign. Amazing how thing change so fast : before the FA started, there were “tons” of “D” lineman and no “O” lineman. Now, it is the opposite.

  19. seahawklovertoo says:

    I mean, we are not as bad as last years’ record shows. On defense, Redding is the enigma….does he want to stay or, go elsewhere ; does he want to play ,or retire?. That man can be helluva player if he choses to do so. We don’t need much on our “D” to seriously kick some but all the way to the SB…. one new safety is a priority, a nose guard and (maybe) better CB and that is it. That can be done easily, specially if the boys on “D” decide to play up to their potential.
    The new developments through the free agency are offering new opportunities for us to rebuild that way : Gaither and Lilja are solid young players. Someone else might become available soon too b/c of disagreements with coaches/GMs or, b/c cheap owners, etc.
    That leaves us with need to draft one or two “O” lineman ( Trent Williams and or OG Iupati/Mike Johnson/John Jerry ) , a RB (Blount or Gerhart), an returner (Trindon Holliday) and maybe a WR if we have enough picks. It can all be done if our FO doesn’t waste to much time thinking and not acting.

  20. Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive Line.

    Oh…………………… & please draft for the O line……………

  21. moo – I like your post!

  22. vichawkfan says:

    no secret Pat Kirwan and PC are good friends from their days in NY. Having said that, is Pat setting smokescreens for his old buddy :

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d816d8732&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

    Clausen at 6 and CJ Spiller 14. Lots of pro scouts and big wigs have said Clausen simply isn`t top 10 talent and was coached up. Not only that, former teammates have questioned his `intagilbe` attributes. I listen to sirius NFL in the car about an hour a day and hear most of this on there.
    So PKirwan and Tim Ryan`s Moving the Chains show has tons on insight on these sorts of things…..hence – why say Clausen, when everyone knows PC and him are buddies….it`s almost like a bluff.
    I for one would be not too happy with Clausen.

  23. hawkdawg says:

    TR “built from the lines back”? Not on offense he didn’t. Not even close.

  24. maddog12 says:

    I hope they televise the tebow throw day. IF his throwing shows improvement we could very well see him move up draft boards.

    Of the qbs in this years draft I think he is the strongest leader, a great athlete and obviously a proven winner at the college level. Best intangibles in the draft for qbs.

    However, that release time thing he is working on, most think is a non recoverable flaw. If he shows signs of progress toward recovery he could go in the first round.

  25. maddog12 says:

    Kirwan may not have the names right but I do think PC will be looking for an elite running back and oline help early.

    The BM thing I think is going to be tough but doable. I do think there are teams watching what is going on. Someone holding a 1st round pick in the 20′s could jump in and make the deal. They would not be giving up as much as the Hawks and meet he Broncos need of a 1st rounder.

  26. Oldbutslow says:

    Somebody ask Rang why the subscription links to NFLdraftscouts.com have been disabled. I miss the in depth scouting reports.

  27. BenderHawkFan says:

    Very Interesting via rotoworld:

    The Seahawks have been contacting the Eagles “non-stop” about Donovan McNabb and Kevin Kolb, ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio said during a Tuesday radio appearance.

    Paolantonio, a former Eagles beat reporter, went on to say that he firmly believes McNabb will be traded at some point this offseason. The link to Seattle will be a loud wake-up call to incumbent Matt Hasselbeck, who new coach Pete Carroll gave a vote of confidence to back in January. The Seahawks probably are more interested in Kolb as their quarterback of the future, but he’s far less likely to be dealt than McNabb.

  28. I hate to disagree with you moo but I think the Hawks biggest draft need is O line.

  29. BenderHawkFan says:

    lol…btw..can someone tell me how to logout on here? This was my old login, and frankly, this name is whack. :)

  30. Dukeshire says:

    Nice find, here’s a link.

    http://www.rotoworld.com/CONTENT/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=Nfl&id=4151

    Kolb would be very interesting. His current contract certainly wouldn’t be prohibitive, he’s scheduled to make $550,000 next season. And although it’s a very small sample size, he looked quite good in both starts last season. I’d be a lot more interested in him than McNabb at this point, for the longer range future.

  31. Ewalters7354 says:

    One thing thats killing me is this.You guys are saying BM is not worth a first round pick,but he’s a proven elite player.I understand he has issues but he’s not the only one.Look at big ben.We also have two first rounders so if we do trade the sixth pick we can still get a pretty good linemen with 14.I’m just looking at all the possible first round bust there have been in the top ten.At num.6 there was vernon gholston,heyward bay and ect.What have they done outside of get paid big bucks they didn’t earn?We have the coach who can help BM with his issues cause thats whats he is known for.Let’s give BM a chance.

  32. chuck_easton says:

    Bender,

    I saw that as well. I’d think the actual move would be for Kolb rather than McNabb. Kold would be a potential QB of the future where McNabb would be the same as Hasselbeck and just a stop gap for a couple of years.

    Why trade away draft picks for a stopgap?

  33. Any guesses what we would have to give up for McNabb or Kolb?

  34. Does anyone have a guess as to what that conditional pick from Cleveland could be and especially if they make Seneca the starter?

  35. I think we’re in a good position with BM because a lot of teams would not be willing to give Denver what they want and BM what he wants because of his issues. I like that our FO is being patient..the price will come down. Maybe our 14 for BM and their 2nd or 2nd or 3rd rounder…like someone suggested the other day. Who knows…we may get him for a 2nd. Maybe we can throw in Spencer and Branch..perhaps Leroy Hill….I would love to be a fly on the wall.

  36. OCHawkFan says:

    I’d give up a high pick for Kolb. He’s young and has shown potential when given the opportunity. He could learn under Hasselbeck for a couple years. We could draft at LT and surround him with playmakers.

    I wouldnt give a ham sandwich for McNabb though. He’s as old as Matt, has injury issues and is a diva. No thanks.

  37. The Eagles have good players on their OL (although the line didn’t perform as well as the talent indicates its line should have) and they have playmakers at the WR position like Pro Bowler DeSean Jackson. Nevermind, they drafted Maclin in the first round last year and he has speed to burn (not Butler speed either, real football speed). I do like Kolb but I’m trying to figure out how in the f*ck a QB is supposed to play well with a horsh!t group of losers around them like we have? If Kolb would have played in spot duty for Buffalo (or Seattle) last year, there’s no way our brilliant front office would be trying to get this guy. I have no problem with Kolb, I really don’t. My problem is with the horsesh!t offensive line and the overall talent on our offense. Pretty tough to throw when you’re getting sacked on 1-step drops and you have to make some throws from your back. And that’s with a freaking QB who gets rid of the ball quickly!!! People bitch about sack numbers and fail to realize that there are some guys like Aaron Rodgers (who is damn good) who hold onto the ball for 84 hours when he drops back to pass and people wonder why in the heck he gets sacked so much. But for people who watch games, everyone knows that, arguably, the two crappiest OLs in the NFL last year were Washington and Seattle (Buffalo pretty crappy too). If Matt would have played in Green Bay there’s no way Packer QBs would have been sacked as much. Definitely not saying Matt is better than Rodgers (we’d all take Rodgers), just saying some stats are lies. For anyone with common sense, our freaking offensive talent sucks. No way Kolb looks as good here as he did in his spot duty for Philly last year because his surrounding cast will be crap to what he had last year. Uhhh!!!

  38. If we sign Kolb, there’s no way he’s going to “learn under Hasselbeck for a couple of years.”

  39. chuck_easton says:

    Why give up the #6 for BM? Nobody is making a play for him due to his off field issues, the fact that Denver wants a 1st round draft choice, and the fact that you are going to have to sign him to a 40 to 50 million dollar contract extension to make him happy.

    Here’s the best analogy. You go to an auction to buy a priceless painting. You are the only one in the room even considering bidding on said painting. The auctioneer says we’ll start the bidding at 1 million dollars. Nobody moves. You jump up and scream “I’ll pay 5 million and not a penny less!!!!!”

  40. Marshall’s a female abuser . PLUS a lot more (and more than one gal)! Ask your spouse or your mom if they think he’s worth anything more than an outhouse…. He’s past his forgiveness state….

    I don’t want the Hawks associated with someone like him…. He’s garbage…

  41. Ian Swenson says:

    TNT Web guy here:

    Bear with us in the comments. We’re still having issues with our spam filter mistaking legitimate comments as spam. It’s getting better, but it’s still an issue.

    Thanks everyone for your patience.

  42. hawkdawg-
    TR picked Chris Spencer in the 1st, didn’t he get Unger in the 2nd, Sims in the 4th, Wrotto in the ?. He mostly followed that later rule of preferring youth for defense (draft picks) in preference of offense (use FA trades and aqcuisitions). The worst thing about TR did was he consistently overvalued offensive skill positions, which is another rule that he didn’t follow very much: “Don’t overvalue (overpay) for players.” That occured mostly on offense and may have been a consequence of his biggest mistake of undervaluing Hutch.

  43. nighthawk2 says:

    Why in hell does Rob Rang think the Seahawks are going to pass on a left tackle in the 1st round? That’s just nuts, it’s the biggest need on this team.

    As for Pierre-Paul, no thanks. One year of high school football, two years of junior college and one year at FBS level? Someone else can blow a draft pick on this guy. Give me Derrick Morgan any day.

  44. IBG – I agree completely. Winning is not so important that it is worth compromising your values. Ruskell’s problem was not that he had a hard line about moral character in the players he would accept on the team, it is that he had no sense of priority and value. He simply did not make good decisions on talent vs. need.

  45. Ewalters7354 says:

    Well in that case we shouldn’t be associated with Sean Locklear.Remember he got arrested a few years back for abusing his girlfriend??

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