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Hawks announce coaching staff

Post by Eric Williams on Feb. 4, 2010 at 2:20 pm with 56 Comments »
February 5, 2010 9:11 am

After a couple weeks of individual names leaking out, the Seattle Seahawks finally announced new head coach Pete Carroll’s coaching staff today.

Only two coaches have been retained from Jim Mora’s staff. They include defensive coordinator Gus Bradley and defensive line coach Dan Quinn, who will remain in the same positions on Carroll’s staff.

The coaching staff includes members with a wide variety of experiences, from college to the pros, with staff members who have won Super Bowls and national championships. Eight of the 21 coaches are former USC staff members under Carroll.

“I’m excited about the makeup of our staff,” Carroll said in a prepared statement. “It’s an energetic group of teachers with a nice blend of experience,” said Head Coach Pete Carroll. “Now we can turn our focus on the task at hand – competing in the NFC West.”

The announcement of the new coaching staff also includes two names who have not been mentioned in the coaching hires over the last, two weeks. Luke Butkus is the offensive quality control coach, and will help out with the offensive line. He is the nephew of Hall of Fame linebacker Dick Butkus.

Butkus played center at the University of Illinois, and was an offensive assistant line coach with the Chicago Bears from 2007 to 2009.

And Dave Canales will be another quality control coach. Canales an offensive administrative assistant last season on Carroll’s USC staff.

Here’s the full list.

Executive Vice President & Head Coach – Pete Carroll
Offensive Coordinator – Jeremy Bates
Defensive Coordinator – Gus Bradley
Quarterbacks – Jedd Fisch
Running Backs – Sherman Smith
Wide Receivers – Kippy Brown
Tight Ends – Pat McPherson
Offensive Line – Alex Gibbs
Assistant Offensive Line – Art Valero
Quality Control/Offensive Line – Luke Butkus
Quality Control/Offense – Dave Canales
Defensive Line – Dan Quinn
Linebackers – Ken Norton, Jr.
Defensive Backs – Jerry Gray
Assistant Defensive Backs – Kris Richard
Quality Control/Defense – Rocky Seto
Special Team Coordinator – Brian Schneider
Special Teams Assistant – Jeff Ulbrich
Head Strength & Conditioning – Chris Carlisle
Assistant Strength & Conditioning – Mondray Gee
Assistant Strength & Conditioning – Jamie Yanchar

Offensive Coordinator: Jeremy Bates
Spent last season as Carroll’s offensive coordinator at USC, and Carroll has called him “one of the young, unbelievably bright minds in the NFL.” Prior to his stint at USC, Bates, 33, was an assistant coach for the Denver Broncos (2006-08), New York Jets (2005) and Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2002-04), working under Mike Shanahan, Jon Gruden and Jeff Fisher. A quarterback at Tennessee and Rice, Bates coached the position for all three teams. His father, Jim, is a long-time NFL coach who has served as defensive coordinator for the Falcons, Dolphins, Broncos and Bucs.

Quarterbacks: Jedd Fisch
Spent last season as the University of Minnesota’s offensive coordinator. Fisch broke into coaching in 1998 with the New Jersey team in the Arena League and then was a graduate assistant for two seasons at the University of Florida. He has since coached in various capacities for the Houston Texans (2001-2003), Baltimore Ravens (2004-07) and Denver Broncos (2008). He coached wide receivers with the Broncos and wide receivers and quarterbacks with the Ravens.

Running Backs:
Sherman Smith
Smith, 55, was a second-round pick in the Seahawks’ inaugural draft in 1976 and the team’s leading rusher in its first four seasons. He returns to coach the position after working at Redmond Jr. High and Redmond High School and college stints at Miami (Ohio), his alma mater, and Illinois. Smith then coached running backs for the Houston Oilers/Tennessee Titans (1995-2007) before spending the past two seasons as the offensive coordinator on Jim Zorn’s staff with the Washington Redskins.

Wide Receivers: Kippy Brown
He has coached, and coached for, an impressive group in his 31 seasons in college and the NFL. Brown, 54, has worked for Jimmy Johnson, Tony Dungy and Sam Wyche in the NFL and Johnny Majors and Phil Fulmer in the college ranks. The players he has worked with include Peyton Manning, Andre Johnson, Mark Clayton, Anthony Miller, Tim McGee, Alvin Harper and Carl Pickens. His coaching career has taken the former college and high school quarterback to Memphis State (1978-80), Louisville (1982), Tennessee (1983-89, 1993-94 and 2009), as well as the New York Jets (1990-92), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1995), Miami Dolphins (1996-99), Green Bay Packers (2000), Houston Texans (2002-05) and Detroit Lions (2006-08).

Offensive Line: Alex Gibbs
After coaching in college for 15 years – Duke, Kentucky, West Virginia, Ohio State, Auburn and Georgia – Gibbs, 68, took his zone-blocking scheme to the NFL. His pro stops included the Denver Broncos (1984-87 and 1995-2003), Oakland Raiders (1988-89), San Diego Chargers (1990-91), Indianapolis Colts (1992), Kansas City Chiefs (1993-94), Atlanta Falcons (2004-06) and Houston Texans (2008-09). His lines have blocked for 1,000-yard rushers Sammy Winder, Marion Butts, Terrell Davis, Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Clinton Portis, Warrick Dunn and Steve Slaton.

Assistant Offensive Line: Art Valero
He was with the St. Louis Rams the past two seasons as assistant head coach/running backs (2008) and assistant offensive line (2009). Prior to that, Valero, 52, coached with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for six seasons (2002-07) and was assistant head coach the last two. He also has coached at Louisville (1998-2001), Utah State (1995-97), Idaho (1990-94), Iowa State (1983), Long Beach State (1984-86), New Mexico (1987-89) and Boise State (1981-82), his alma mater. With the Seahawks, he will assist Gibbs.

Quality Control/Offensive Line:
Luke Butkus
He went to training camp with the Chicago Bears (2002) and San Diego Chargers (2003) and played one season at center with the Rhein Fire of NFL Europa (2003). Butkus, 30, was then a graduate assistant at Oregon (2005-06) and assistant offensive line coach with the Bears (2007-09). With the Seahawks, he will assist Gibbs and Valero, as well as handle the other duties that go with being a quality control coach. He is the nephew of Hall of Fame linebacker Dick Butkus.

Tight Ends:
Pat McPherson
Coached tight ends for the Denver Broncos for two seasons (2007-08) after coaching the quarterbacks for four seasons (2003-06). His father, Bill, was a long-time coach and front-office man for the San Francisco 49ers. McPherson, 40, previously had coaching stints with the Broncos (offensive assistant 1999-2002; defensive assistant 1998); 49ers (defensive quality control 1996); and Bellarmine Prep (defensive coordinator 1994-97).

Quality Control/Offense: Dave Canales
He was an offensive administrative assistant last season on Carroll’s USC staff. Prior to that, Canales coached at El Camino Junior College and Carson High School, where he worked with the wide receivers and tight ends.

Ken Norton, Jr.
After averaging 8.8 yards rushing as a running back at Westchester (Calif.) High School, Norton, 43, became a standout linebacker at UCLA and then in the NFL for the Dallas Cowboys and San Francisco 49ers – winning three Super Bowl rings and being voted to three Pro Bowls. Since becoming the linebackers coach at USC in 2004, Norton’s protégés have included the Seahawks’ Lofa Tatupu, as well as Keith Rivers, Brian Cushing, Kaluka Maiava, Clay Matthews and Rey Maualuga. He is the son of former heavyweight champion Ken Norton.

Defensive Backs: Jerry Gray
Like Norton, Gray, 47, had a Pro Bowl career before becoming a coach. A first-round draft choice in 1985 out of Texas, Gray played for the Los Angeles Rams (1985-91), Houston Oilers (1992) and Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1993). He has been the defensive coordinator for the Buffalo Bills (2001-05) and also coached for the Washington Redskins (2006-09).

Assistant Defensive Backs: Kris Richard
Like Sherman Smith, Richard, 30, entered the NFL as a Seahawks’ draft choice – third round in 2002. After three seasons with the Seahawks, he also played for the San Francisco 49ers (2005). Richard, who played at USC (1998-2001), joined Pete Carroll’s Trojans in 2008 as a graduate assistant. In this stint the Seahawks, Richard will assist Jerry Gray in coaching the cornerbacks and safeties.

Quality Control/Defense: Rocky Seto
Another member of Carroll’s USC staff, Seto, 33, was defensive coordinator last season after Nick Holt left to join Steve Sarkisian’s staff at the University of Washington. Seto has been with the Trojans since 1999, first as a volunteer assistant and later as a graduate assistant (2000) before coaching the safeties (2003), linebackers (2004-05) and secondary (2006-08). He also played linebacker for the Trojans (1997-98). His full name is Haruki Rocky Seto, and named after boxer Rocky Marciano.

Special Teams
Special Teams Coordinator:
Brian Schneider
He also has coached tight ends, linebackers and safeties in college, but Schneider, 38, has always coached special teams, as well. He broke into coaching at Colorado State (1994-2002), his alma mater, before moving to UCLA (2003-05) and Iowa State (2006). He coached special teams for the Oakland Raiders (2007-08) before joining Carroll’s staff at USC last season.

Special Teams Assistant: Jeff Ulbrich
Ulbrich, 32, was a third-round draft choice in 2000 by the San Francisco 49ers and played his entire career in the Bay Area. He was a stand-out linebacker and strong special teams presence until retiring last season. Ulbrich went to the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., last week looking for a coaching job and found one. He will assist Brian Schneider, who was Carroll’s special teams coach at USC.

Strength & Conditioning
Head Strength & Conditioning:
Chris Carlisle
Another member of Carroll’s USC staff, Carlisle, 47, was the Trojans’ head strength and conditioning coach for nine years (2001-09). Prior to that, he was associate head strength and conditioning coach at Tennessee (1998-2000); offensive line coach and strength coach at Trinity Valley Community College in Athens, Texas, (1997); head coach and strength coach at Subiaco (Ark.) Academy (1993-96); a strength and conditioning graduate assistant at Arkansas (1992-93); offensive line coach and strength coach at Blytheville (Ark.) High (1986-91); and head coach and strength coach at Dodge (Neb.) High (1985).

Strength & Conditioning Assistant:
Mondray Gee
After spending the past two seasons as a strength and conditioning assistant with the Green Bay Packers, Gee, 34, is part of a complete makeover of the Seahawks’ strength and conditioning staff. Prior to joining the Packers, he worked as a strength and conditioning assistant for the Detroit Lions (2001-07) and in many capacities at Michigan State University (1996-2001).

Strength & Conditioning Assistant: Jamie Yanchar
Like Carlisle, Yanchar, also comes to the Seahawks from USC. Yanchar became the interim head strength and conditioning coach for the Trojans after Carlisle left, before deciding to follow Carlisle and Carroll to Seattle. Yanchar had been at USC since 1990.

Leave a comment Comments → 56
  1. IdahoHawk says:

    It’s not the Seattle Seahawks anymore. Its the Seattle SeaTrojans.

  2. rossijt says:

    I think we need a few more coaches…is 21 enough to coach all 53 players?

  3. wabubba67 says:

    Hell with Luke Butkus….time to bring in his uncle Dick. No doubt he could still probably manage to beat up our OL from last year! (The game film of him engulfing three OL on his way to tackle a RB is the best footage I’ve ever seen of a defensive player.)

  4. Overall, I like the new staff (hope, fingers crossed) except for the QB coach. I’m not going to claim to have heard of all the others before they came here, but it seems promising on paper. Even if it doesn’t pan out, at least there’s hope for 2010, whereas if Mora were still here, I doubt there would be a sense of optimism in SeahawkLand. Still, hope only gets you so far until the talent level dramatically increases, and hopefully it does with FA and the draft. It’ll be interesting to see what happens.

  5. earther says:

    Hmmmm…. not a lot of recent NFL whiskers in that lot, is there? I have a feeling this bunch is going to flounder about for a while.

  6. “Hawks Announce Coaching Staff”

    Ho Hum……..Yawn…………….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  7. BrianBlades says:

    “It’s not the Seattle Seahawks anymore. Its the Seattle SeaTrojans.”

    I’ve been saying USC-hawks myself.

  8. chuck_easton says:


    I’m willing to lay even odds last years Trojans could have given last years Seahawks a pretty close game.

    Sounds like an improvement to me.

  9. IBGoofy says:

    I like the post Eric!!! Thx!!!

  10. fresfan says:

    One point to keep in mind is that if the former USC coaches did not think highly of PC, they would be unlikely to join his staff on the Seahawks.

  11. IBGoofy says:

    I like it fresfan.. …. we just need to turn Bobby Pessimistic around!!! LOL!

  12. Audible says:

    “Head Strength” & Conditioning Coach…yes, that’s exactly what we need!

  13. Mr_Fish says:

    Given his reputation, it’s amazing how many 1 or 2 year stints Coach Gibbs has had in his NFL career. Are the Broncos the only team he felt like sticking with for a while?

  14. Mr_Fish says:


    From what I’ve been reading, I think Coach Carroll is going to be in charge of getting the player’s heads straight, ready to play, and tough enough to avoid injuries. ;-)

  15. OutSydeDog says:

    Best line of the post is…..“Now we can turn our focus on the task at hand – competing in the NFC West.”

    Ahhh, breath of fresh air….almost feels as good as when PA bought the team. I believe they will compete, and possibly exceed expectations this year.

    GO HAWKS!!!

  16. Soggybuc says:

    While it has nothing to do with his merits i’m pretty happy to see one of my all time favorite Hawks in the fold. welcome home Sherman.

  17. sascotch says:


    This is what I am calling the new regime, the Blackjack gang…hopefully it transfers wins on the field as it does on the table…must admit, it does look good on paper but only time will tell….21 anybody?

  18. UCS – U of Cal at SEA?

  19. Dukeshire says:

    rossijt – I think the 49ers have 23 coaches. They must be better.

  20. edstang45 says:

    Is it time to let Walter go!!?? If we let him go do we lose a year or two of the best LT ever? If we keep him and hope he returns do we postpone the rebuilding of that position for atleast another year, if he doesn’t respond our OL suffers immensly. Will the possibility of him returning change the priority of how quickliy we need to replace him? I he does return to say 80% does that give us time to fill other needs??? ARRRGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

  21. rollo73 says:

    Glad to see they kept Bradley and Quinn on the defensive side as coaches. Those two combined got absolutely no pressure on opposing quarterbacks leaving the bulk of the defensive work to be done by the linebackers and weak secondary. Hopefully PC will tell Bradley to pull his head out of his you know where and let Curry run all over the place. I read a PC interview on another site where he said up to 30% of the team will be turned over. Hopefully those names include Kerney, Branch, Julius Jones, and Jennings. That would really get me motivated.

  22. The important positions have been filled with NFL experienced personnel. Bates is raw but the Bronco were clicking with him calling the shots. Cutler’s game was historical…

    LT isn’t rocket science. Ryan Clady of Boise St. gave up 1/2 a sack his rookie year with the Bronco. Either they’re a Walter Jones talent or not. Without a CBA there will not be a salary cap so no reason to close a door on the return. The only consideration will be the prospects available at our selections. Given the recent Tackle influx there will likely be available, at the Hawk early second (40), a top talent:

    Top 10 OT:
    1.) Russell Okung- Oklahoma State
    2.) Anthony Davis- Rutgers
    3.) Bryan Bulaga- Iowa
    4.) Bruce Campbell- Maryland
    5.) Charles Brown- USC
    No way PC passes on this guy
    6.) Trent Williams- Oklahoma
    7.) Selvish Capers- West Virginia

  23. I really don’t understand why some people despise Kelly Jennings so much. Don’t factor in that he was a #1 pick, think of him as a football player for 2010. He’s not that bad and definitely not as bad as some make him out to be. Sure, he’s no Pro Bowler, but I thought he had a relatively solid season. He legitimately beat out Ken Lucas, who wasn’t too bad, for PT by mid year and when Lucas was fine he stayed off the field b/c Jennings had outplayed him. Considering the DL “pressure” was absolutely pathetic, I think our CBs (minus Trufant) played relatevely well (considering the circumstances). Given an improved pass rush, people are going to look at Jennings and say what a great job Mr. Happy did with him in ’10.

  24. Dukeshire says:

    Jennings is a very good cover corner but has a difficult time playing the ball. Because of that he’s going to get picked on more that a complete CB and give up plays. The less time the QB has to target him, the better he will look (pass rush anyone). If he was able to play the ball the way Trufant does, he’d be regaled. If they allow him to press and play some man more often, he’s at worst serviceable.

  25. REM1331 says:

    “IdahoHawk says:
    February 4, 2010 at 2:45 pm
    It’s not the Seattle Seahawks anymore. Its the Seattle SeaTrojans.

    BrianBlades says:
    February 4, 2010 at 4:48 pm
    “It’s not the Seattle Seahawks anymore. Its the Seattle SeaTrojans.”

    I’ve been saying USC-hawks myself.”

    What were they when Holmgren came? The Sea-packers? or… the Pack-hawkers? OH…. the Sea-ckers.

  26. Kelly Jennings is a fine player. The problem many of us have with him is that he represents the major design flaw this current team has. We chose players that are smaller than ideal but coachable, not explosive but disciplined,and frankly players who yes can stay out of trouble but are not aggressive or willing to give up there bodies for the love of the game. Kelly I look forward to your future with the team and someday soon you will be the last holdover from a team i wish to forget. good luck with lasting longer than Josh Wilson.

  27. Dukeshire says:

    “good luck with lasting longer than Josh Wilson.” – I am curious what you are implying with this comment?

  28. Does anyone know if there’s any validity to the truth of the seahawks trading housh+pick 6 for a lower pick to get okung?

  29. princeaden says:

    Me too. I was just thinking that Wilson was out of the conversation because he is the best corner we have IMO.

  30. princeaden says:

    RADEoN- I hope not.

  31. I am implying that kelly and josh are similar types of players that i hope we start to get away from. It seems to me that josh is a better overall player and all things being equal he would last longer. The sad truth is we need a whole new group of players which take years to accomplish and is difficult for a fan to go through. Someday i hope we have a stronger unit with players who are currently in high school and that one or two players remain from this group so we can say lets win one for lets say some player we drafted,developed and let play through this change. Very sad but no one comes to mind lets go with Mr. Reed but he is currently to small.

  32. RADEoN – I have heard none of those rumors. At this point, I don’t think anyone knows who will go where. I think Suh to the Rams is a safe bet, but if Bradford or the pr!ck from Notre Dame show well this off-season, then I think they may consider the QB. The Lions could use Suh, McCoy (if Suh is gone) or Okung, but if they passed on Oher with their second 1st round pick last year, maybe they are too dumb to go LT early and may try to improve the defense with McCoy. Afterall, they are the Lions for a reason. Really, there’s no way to know where we’d need to trade up to to get Okung if that’s who they were/are trying to get. It doesn’t make sense to trade up to get him at #3 and then have him get taken at #2 and then we have our pants down if there’s no viable plan B. I’d take Morgan over Okung or McCoy if we can’t get Suh, but that’s just me. I think those two will be the better/safest picks between those four. I’d like to think Okung is better than Morgan, because I’d rather have a LT than a DE, but both are huge needs.

  33. It looks like Coach Carroll is putting an emphasis on the O-Line. Alex Gibbs, OL coach, Art Valero, Asst OL coach, and Luke Butkus, Quality Control/OL.
    This seems to be a step in the right direction.

  34. Dukeshire says:

    wigman – I challenge the notion that Wilson and Jennings are a similar type of player. Wilson is not just one of the fastest players on the team but is also one of the most physical. I would argue that he is the surest tackler on the team, perhaps Hawthorne as well. Wilson is developing into one of the games best inside cover (slot) men in the NFC and has versatility in the return game as well (He led the NFL is returns of 40+ in ’08). Jennings is fine off the bench and has a role in nickel and dime situations but Josh Wilson is a legit corner in this league. You are correct when you say he is a better overall player, but it is by leaps and bounds, not marginally.

    This brings me to another point; to say that “we need a whole new group of players” is simply not true. Or at least I should say we have a significant difference of opinion here, as well. Mebane, Tatupu, Curry, Wilson, Tapp, Trufant and Hawthorne (reluctantly listed) are not also rans. These are young or in prime players that are or have the potential to be pro bowl players, IMO. There are indeed significant holes and players that need to be replaced, (Cole, Babs, Terrill) and older players that are past significant contributions (Kerney, Grant, Redding) but this is not a total scrap heap situation. There are pieces here. Is it difficult to endure the past 2 seasons, especially when we all should have (some did) seen it coming? Hell yes. Is this a roster make up of entirely worthless players? Not by a long shot.

  35. freedom_X says:

    They’re not the same type player. They’re not even “small” in the same way. Jennings actually has good height for a corner at 5’11” (same height as Trufant) but thin at 180, and Wilson is very sturdy at 192 lbs, but of course 5’9″.

    It’s just so many people have this “midget” cornerback idea in their head, even though last year, Seattle’s CB’s matched the average height (and were just 5 lbs. lighter on average) than the 2009 Pro Bowl cornerback roster. Yet all you kept hearing about was “midget cornerbacks, midget cornerbacks.”

    I’ll accept that Jennings never becomes a big playmaker at corner, as long as he is sound in basic coverage. In 2008 he lost his confidence and was injured, and did neither well. In 2009, he regained much of his cover ability, and I can live with the lack of plays on the ball (though if something better comes along, that’s fine too.)

    As far as Bradley and Quinn, the pass rush failures were mainly personnel, not scheme. If all it took was a fancy scheme to get a pass rush, you wouldn’t see guys like Julius Peppers getting franchised for $16 million/year. Bradley and Quinn certainly have room for improvement, but the personnel is the biggest problem (or at least the employment of the personnel.)

    If Curry is really the right player to be a “elephant” hybrid pass rusher/linebacker, and that unlocks the rush, awesome. But I think the front four need to do a whole lot more.

  36. edstang45 says:

    wow I just listened online at the KJR site yesterdays talk with Pete C, then todays chat with Coach Bates, and coach Sherman Smith (whoo hoo) Dang those guys are fired up you just get dragged in. I’m impressed with their high energy and excitement. I am down here next to Vancouver wa. and have to listen to Blazer country crap or ESPN. I grew up near Puyallup grade school High school etc. Boy you guys that live under the KJR umbrella up North are really blessed. I is really jealous. I miss all the local hype with the Hawks and Mariners. Just a comment. But unless you out of the area you don’t realize how good ya got it up there!!!!

  37. Dukeshire-Love can be a funny thing like you i am very much in love with this organization and each move they make i look at and hope for the best. That being said i dont like our players on d very much. i will give you Mebane but you are happy with Curry?Trufant?Tapp? In my opinion i am worried Hawthorne only looks good because Lofa has size and speed limitations. No matter how much i want to have the best linebacking unit football we just don’t. We have not won very many games in two years and we all know the four rams wins should not count as NFL games. plus detroit? we should have lost everyone knows it and i was not proud to wear my seahawk hat that day. ON THE BRIGHT the new nfl is about young players and later round draft picks trying to hit it big with there second contact this can be fixed and i cant wait for the next 30 or so player moves. Please no more small corners .

  38. Dukeshire says:

    wigman – I do like those players. That said, let me reiterate a point I brought up this past season; Players like Tapp, Wilson, Hawthorne are not what I refer to as cornerstone players. They are complementary players. Important and crucial pieces to any great team or unit, but not players you build a unit around. One unfortunate byproduct (of many) of the Ruskell era, is that this defense (keeping conversation on point) is made up primarily of that kind of player. Ruskell’s strength as a GM would seem to be to add players to an already solid or mostly complete product, not building that foundation and there is a significant difference. Mebane and Lofa (and perhaps Curry, jury is still out) are the only ones they have to build around. That simply isn’t good enough to win at this level. So yes, I do very much like those players and there is a place for them on what will become (I’m presuming here) a great defense. However, the addition of building blocks and a vastly more talented foundation, acquired through the draft (if Schneider’s history is any indication) is what will improve that unit. They are not as many players away as some would have us believe, IMO.

  39. If used properly, I think Lawrence Jackson will be a good/solid LDE in ’10. He’s never going to be an 8-10 sack type of guy, but if you forget he was a #1 and focus on LDE and ’10… there’s reason for optimism (assume there’s no Kerney in ’10). Mr. Happy is already on record as saying Jackson needs to bulk up more and be an anchor at LDE. That will suit Jackson well. He’ll be a complimentary piece who will provide marginal “pressure” but will do the dirty work that makes others look better than they are by being a run stuffing LDE. I think this role suits him well. He’ll never be a Pro Bowler but he does have a chance to be a good/solid LDE that any good defense needs.

    We all know Mebane is a good DT. Wherever he lines up in ’10, he’ll be fine/good.

    If Curry is the elephant man that I think he should be, I am really high on him. It may be the kool-aid in me, but I think he has future Pro Bowl and double digit sack numbers in him. If we try to have him play OLB on the strong side in ’10, well, I know he’s going to improve, but I think plenty will be throwing the bust word around. I know the jury is still out, he’s young, and I could easily be wrong, but I see him as needing to be used a certain way and if he’s not, I don’t think he’s going to be all that good.

    Yes, there’s some holes on defense, but like Duke said, it’s a relatively solid unit. It’s not as bad as people think. A game changing S is needed, and so is, obviously, a big time pass rusher. But I think Curry might be that pass rusher we may need with development.

    If anything, our defense needs the offense to get better. I don’t know of many defenses who can overcome crap play of 3-and-outs and constantly playing from behind. It’s so dang much easier to play defense when you’re up 17-7 than when you’re down 10-0.

    Concerning Gibbs… I know other teams have assistant position coaches… but, dang, Gibbs is older. He needs help in doing some drills. Just my opinion on that one.

    I find our “midget” CBs funny too. They aren’t that much smaller than most others. But b/c some think they suck, they point to a reason they must be so bad (ie., being small), and conveniently forget that most supposedly good CBs would suck behind a bad pass rush that we consistently get.

  40. Bobby, don’t you think it’s a bit absurd to say Lawrence Jackson “will never be a pro bowler”? Carroll knows how to use him, obviously. He looked good enough in college to be a 1st rounder. Let’s give a little hope to him ffs.

    With a taller CB (just one), a very good safety, and a better pass rush (whether or not that means bring in a new DE, DT, or whatever), our defense could be very stout.

  41. princeaden says:

    I’m looking for an opinions on what people would say about trading Hass to Cleveland for say a 4th rounder and trading that pick(or maybe a future 2nd rounder) and a mid-evel player of your choice to Cinn. for Carson Palmer. Then we add the best LOT available with the #6 pick, CJ Spiller at #14 the best O lineman available at #40 and Blount or Gerhart with the 4th rounder. This way we have improved our O to the point where it improves our D by proxy. This is just a theory.

  42. No, I don’t think it’s “absurd” to say that Jackson will never be a Pro Bowler.

    His previous coach (Mora) said last training camp that Jackson will never be a “dynamic” player from the DE position that many expect from a 1st rounder.

    If Ruskell weren’t drafting, Jackson never would have been a 1st rounder. It seems like the teams drafting after us would have passed too. Philip Merling was actually higher than Jackson on almost every list at DE and he went early in the 2nd round.

    And to top it off, Mr. Happy has said on record that Jackson played well for him at USC but his skill set is more suited to play the strong side, bulk up, and be more of a dirty work type of player who doesn’t get the glamor (I don’t remember where I heard this in all of the stuff that’s happened in the last month, but he said it). These type of players, important as they are, are not guys regularly voted to the Pro Bowl. Basically, Carroll has said he won’t use him the same way because he’s not good enough in the NFL to use that way.

    You’re right, I should never say never on a player, but if someone wanted to bet me $5,000 that he won’t ever be voted into the Pro Bowl… I would take that bet and I’m not a huge betting person. But I like the “sure” bets when I can get them.

  43. Dukeshire says:

    After just two seasons I believe it’s premature to say Jackson will never be a pro bowl player. He certainly hasn’t show that yet, but I think to write him off now is getting ahead of ourselves a bit. And if you’re implying that he switch from LDE to RDE then that only increases his opportunities, however. Going up against LTs, that is the glamor position on DLs today. To be honest, I don’t remember Carroll saying that (although he may have) but he did say that needs to be used as more of an every down player, which I like. In any case, he doesn’t need to be voted to a pro bowl (after this year, what does that mean anyway?) for him to be a very effective and productive player.

  44. Dukeshire says:

    princeaden – Not to dump water all over your theory but I want no part of a 30 year old, injury riddled QB for this teams future. In addition, as long as the Browns have both Quinn and Anderson, under those crazy contracts, I cannot see them bringing in another QB. And a 4th for Hasselbeck? I’ve heard that so many times, I’m really curious where that comes from. I simply cannot imagine a team giving that much. Also, why can’t the Seahawks, without this trade, do the same thing with 6, 14, 40 and the 4th? In any case, that’s my 2 cents.

  45. Dukeshire says:

    To clarify; Hasselbeck is already here and most likely does not fit into the teams long range plans. His eventual replacement needs to be neither 30+ nor with significant injury history, IMO.

  46. If there was a new expansion team and we could protect one player from each side of the ball who would you guys want to keep? I am a very big fan and I have no clue maybe unger and mebane. Is mebane good people say he is. When i was eight i could tell you for sure that kenny easley was great now i dont see any great players. Walter was great. Walter and Hucth was really great.

  47. Levi Brown is the only offensive lineman to start in either of the last two Superbowls that was drafted in the first round.

  48. If Dwight Freeney doesn’t start for the Colts they will not have a single first round pick on the defensive side of the ball. Not only that, they will have three undrafted free agents.

  49. Dukeshire says:

    And their starting RG was in arena 3 last year.

  50. princeaden says:

    Duke- The only reason I was thinking about Palmer was that maybe PC’s system could get him back to his college form. And as far as the 4th rounder for Matt, it just seemed about right for a starting QB for 2-3 years. And by all means I hope the Seahawks follow the “strengthen the offense” theory in the draft.

  51. princeaden says:

    Another option would be to try to obtain someone like Troy Smith from Baltimore or Dennis Dixon from Pitt. who are both stuck as back-ups on their respective teams, stick with the aforementioned picks at 6,14, 40 and 4th round and suddenly we look pretty explosive on offense.

  52. klthompson says:

    From what I am reading elsewhere these guys will be coaching “replacements” and considering the style of play I saw at the end of the year that might not be all bad.

  53. Dukeshire says:

    princeaden – Palmer has been a great pro. But I don;t know how much you got to see him the second half of this season, but his better days are behind him.

  54. princeaden says:

    I did not see much of him and if you say he’s on the decline, that’s enough for me. What do you think of the possibility of trying to obtain Troy Smith or to a little lesser degree Dennis Dixon?

  55. Dukeshire says:

    Interesting athletes. My first impression about both is that neither one is enough of a traditional pocket QB for either Carroll or Bates. And by no means do I think Palmer is done entirely. But as far as putting someone in position to grow and develop with this new offense, he’s not the guy.

  56. nighthawk2 says:

    I’ve said before and I’ll say it again, and I’ll continue to say it. Keeping Bradley and Quinn is a mistake. A huge mistake. Keeping ANYONE from Jim Moron’s joke of a staph (as in infection) is a mistake, and the team is going to to pay for it next season. There are other very questionable hires too, Jed Fisch and Kippy Brown…that’s the best he could find??

    What’s really weird is the 49ers rosters still shows Ulbrich as an active player.

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