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Wednesday practice report: A meeting of the minds

Post by Eric Williams on Dec. 30, 2009 at 2:38 pm with 100 Comments »
December 30, 2009 3:51 pm


Well, after Tuesday’s comments by receivers Deion Branch and T.J. Houshmandzadeh on Nate Burleson’s weekly radio show on KJR-AM, you can imagine there was going to be some sort of meeting between Houshmandzadeh and former NFL player and KJR analyst Hugh Millen after the two had words over the airwaves on Tuesday.

That conversation took play after practice, with Millen showing up to continue the conversation that began with the two players arguing over the details of 2-man coverage.

Millen later defended himself during the Seahawks roundtable Wednesday morning, more clearly stated his position on the issue, including an admission that perhaps he wasn’t has harsh in his comments on quarterback Matt Hasselbeck as he should have been.

They had an animated, but civil conversation for about an half hour before Houshmandzadeh finally made his way to the locker room.

So what did they talk about?

“We were just talking about certain plays in the game,” Houshmandzadeh said. “And I saw his point, and told him my point, period. I don’t dislike him because I don’t know him to dislike him. But he told me what he saw with his points and I told him why I did what I did.”

Houshmandzadeh said he felt compelled to address the issue because some of his teammates asked him to get their back after they became aware of Millen’s comments about the team.

“Green bay is not 48-10 better than us, not player wise,” Houshmandzadeh said. “The Miami Dolphins were 1-15 and the next year they went to playoffs. What changed?

”I’m just saying you don’t criticize and say they have better players,” Housh went on. “Do we need better players? Obviously. But are they 48 to 10 better than us? Did they revamp their whole roster? And that’s my point. Y’all can fill in the blanks.”

Well, they did change their entire coaching staff T.J. So are you saying the same thing needs to happen here?

“No, I love Jim,” Houshmandzadeh said. “Jim Mora and Hasselbeck, they are the reason I cam here, period. My thing is when you lose there’s going to be questions, and there’s going to be things that go on.

“And I can handle it. You can say whatever you want to say about me. I can take it. If I disagree with it, I’m just going to let it be known that I disagree with it. But that’s why were professional athletes, and that’s why we get paid the way we do.”

Asked about what’s going to with the offense, Houshmandzadeh was tight-lipped – to a point.

“We’re just not moving the ball,” Houshmandzadeh said “That’s what it boils down to. And if you are moving it, you’re making a mistake. I mean that’s all offense is. You make a mistake, or you’re not moving the ball, period. And you can point the finger at me, and I can’t take it.

“I don’t know what it is. I do, but I’m not going to say what I feel about that situation. I don’t think it’s right.”

Listen to part of the conversation with Houshmandzadeh here.

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Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp also talked today about the struggles offensively.

“A lot of it too is just growth with each other — what do certain guys do well,” Knapp said. “A lot of times it doesn’t occur until games, when you find out what plays are good with certain players.

”The more reps we get at it, the closer we’ll get to getting more consistent.”

Asked if he was surprised by Houshmandzadeh’s comments about trust issues with the offense, Knapp had this to say.

”No,” he said. “It’s just part of the deal.”

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  1. I thought Hugh Millen was telling Housh how he threw the INT to Patrick Hunter that delivered the Seahawks Rick Mirer instead of Drew Bledsoe?

  2. Dukeshire says:

    Yes TJ, I can fill in the blanks; you’re not a fan of Greg Knapp. Neither am I. I’m not sure these thinly veiled innuendoes are productive however, it’s probably best to leave it at “We’re just not moving the ball,” etc… Regardless, I can only hope that Knapp is no longer employed by the Seattle Seahawks a week from today.

    p.s. – I like Housh more and more as time goes on.

  3. seahawklovertoo says:

    I am somewhat disappointed in the fact that T.J. didn’t floor that worthless pile of crap (Millen), and just beat him into a pulp. Millen coming to the field is enough provocation in my book to warrant an “all out destruction ” under the excuse of self-defense. There are to many losers in the media with access to a microphone and a permit to freely run their stupid pie-holes.

  4. seahawklovertoo says:

    Duke, is there any Seahawks fan on this blog that likes and supports Krapp?

  5. HarbachHawk says:

    I live in Cincy so I am very familiar with Housh voicing his opinion. He never sugar coats and he genuinely just wants to win. Branch, on the other hand, honestly believes that he is a great reciever and I think he honestly thinks hes going to be a Hawk next year.

  6. With the player criticism(s) and Mora distancing himself from the Knapp scenarios… I don’t see any way Knapp is back next year. I still don’t think Mora is back, but his odds are a heck of a lot better than the Knapper.

    Are you watching the game, Duke? We have to watch other games to see a game where both teams score their fair share of points.

  7. Dukeshire says:

    Bobby – You bet I am.

    Seahawks2 – I don’t know about this blog. If there is any support for him it’s not being voiced. I have however, read people who have lent their support for him on Field Gulls and in Sando’s NFC West column.

  8. fieldgulls hate Hasselbeck to death but there’s some support for Knapp? Wow.

  9. Dukeshire says:

    Yeah, I know. It’s not as prevalent as the Hass hate, I don’t want to mislead anyone. But I’ve read positive things about Knapp there. It’s very odd to me, that anyone can support him.

  10. seahawklovertoo says:

    Duke, I have visited other blogs and wasted my time reading their posts… and that is the reason I stayed here. We do have 2 to 3 morons posting and a couple
    trolls (mainly me and my-self) but, overall this is the most intelligent Seahawks blog online.
    Now, I have to fess-up about those few jack-asses that came one time and posted some idiotic stuff. I go a lot to and vent there (I am not as “nice” to them as I am with Y’all here). One time I invited them to come here and learn something—and they did appear. I apologize to all that were insulted by those cooks.
    I believe that bitching here doesn’t do any good to anyone , so I go there and speak-up. Now I know they (Vulcan) read my posts.

  11. dukeshire – i’ve voiced my pro-housh-ness on various outlets, as well. how can you dislike a guy that just wants to win? the “cancer” talk is just fodder for those who’ve become too accustomed to ruskell’s nice-guy ways.

  12. Duke – I’m falling in love with that guy. If we want to gain a yard on 3rd and 1… I know I’d really like having him to run behind. One thing I really like, that has nothing to do with his on-field performance, is the way he walking around and talking to his teammates when he’s not on the field. Every unit needs leaders. He’s not like a lot of our guys who seem to sit and stare into space… It’s only one game, but I like a lot of the passion and what seems like actually liking the game that he seems to be displaying.

  13. Seahawks2620 says:

    I’m sick and tired of this entire team and season. I don’t remember the last time I was so anxious for the season to be over.

  14. 2620 – It’s sad. I can’t remember the last time I genuinely wanted a season to be over with either.

  15. Seahawks2620 says:

    It’s a good thing we signed this kid from the Cardinals to shore up our O-line before it’s too late. Super Bowl 2011 for sure with this kid!

  16. When the season started, I was a huge fan of Housh. He didn’t fit the typical Ruskell “good-guy” signing that we were used to, but he wasn’t a Pacman Jones either. I was excited to have a little attitude to spark some fire under the back-ends of our offense, which we totally lacked in 2008. Over the course of the season he’s really gotten under my skin, not so much for what he said yesterday, but his cry-baby antics on the field. He’s constantly throwing his hands up, yelling on the sidelines, or distracting players in other ways and I think it only frustrates those around him. I haven’t seen any of that energy harnessed into something productive. While he’s caught a fair share of passes this year, Housh will be the first to acknowledge they were in junk time and meant nothing. I would much rather he shut his trap and be a part of the answer on the field…which brings up a point about yesterday’s discussions. I haven’t read anyone mention how quiet and reserved Burleson was and I applaud him for that. He could have easily jumped in and taken a shot at his quarterback, Millen, Knapp, etc…but he was a professional and takes pride in being a professional off the field as well. I thought it was indicative of his personality and hope we keep him around for 2010 and beyond.

  17. Seahawks2620 says:

    Neither Burleson or Branch will be Seahawks in 2010.

  18. seahawklovertoo says:

    Yeah BK, he looks good against BGSU and in the other games against worthless opponents the U of Idaho plays in their season . I am not sure how he’d do against SEC,ACC, Big12, or NFL….. He does stand out in this game.
    ( Can’t wait to see Suh in the second game)

  19. BobbyK-am I missing something? He’s definitely animated on the sideline, when nobody else is (for the most part I would like that)…but I don’t see it having a positive influence on the rest of the team. When he and Matt are talking it seems more like 2 step-brothers arguing over whose directions are better. I get the feeling like they are in a forced marriage, when I’m used to seeing Matt really develop good rapports with his receivers (Jurevicious, Jackson, Engram, even Hackett).

  20. mb23oly – I am not, nor was I talking about Housh. I don’t think I’ve said anything about Housh today. I am talking about the game on t.v. right now… Idaho vs. Bowling Green and I’m paying particular attention to Idaho Guard, Mike Iupati. I would never want to run a 3rd and 1 play right behind Housh, but I would for Iupati. You must have misunderstood who I was talking about.

    As far as I know, Matt Hasselbeck and Mike Iupati have never had a conversation:)

  21. seahawklovertoo says:

    Santa, since you “stiffed” me for X-mass, I’ll forgive you if you grant me this 3 wishes : 1) everyone connected to Tim Ruskell to leave for better pay elsewhere by the end of February; 2) to get us at least 3 great OL men (your choice as long as they are great) ; 3) if we can’t have Suh in the Seahawks’ uniform, please,please PLEASE don’t let him play for anyone else in the NFC West.
    Thanks in advance.
    Yours truly SLT

  22. Yeah, he’s doing this against Bowling Green, but it’s not his fault he’s crushing his guy. Jahri Evans didn’t play at a big school either but a lot of teams swung and missed on him (arrogant Ruskell would never draft a guy like Evans simply because he was a small school product, which I could never understand). The freakish strength and quickness for a big man is evident today, no matter who his opponent is (especially the quickness). I’ve noticed him being a bit unbalanced on a couple of pass plays, but other than that, he’s living up to the hype (and his pass rush skills haven’t been overly hyped, so he’s looking about like the “experts” have been saying – and that’s a good thing overall).

  23. seahawklovertoo says:

    I hope we will see him again in the Mobile , AL game . Is he a Sr. or Jr? Duke?

  24. Yeah, he’ll be at the Senior Bowl.

  25. seahawklovertoo says:

    THX, BK

  26. T.J. Houshmandzadeh:Green bay is not 48-10 better than us, not player wise, The Miami Dolphins were 1-15 and the next year they went to playoffs. What changed?

    I don’t think I’ve ever encountered any other public statement by any football person that got to the heart of the matter so succinctly. That’s it in a nutshell. There’s other examples as well,.. the Jets this year, the Saints a few years back just to name a couple. All of those new coaches brought players in with them whom they thought suited the systems they were planing to implement but the thing they really brought with them, the thing that mattered, was a system and the ability to implement it the way it should be implemented.

    The Seahawks are way beyond the point where one can accurately evaluate players and identify holes in the lineup. On a bad team everybody looks bad because to look good you need to be synchronized with 11 guys playing as one unit. In order for players to make great plays you first need to give them good plays to execute and you need to supply strategy and tactics that will out think opposing coaches. Moreover, you must be able to choreograph both sides of the ball such that each player is not just motivated to try hard and execute well, but is in sync with his teammates so that the execution works as an 11 man unit and not just a bunch of ball players.

    This coaching staff has not provided any of that. From what they’ve shown offensively all year long it looks like their entire playbook could be scribbled out on the back of a business card. Their execution as a team on both sides of the ball is sloppy and their timing is abysmal. Their defensive front is careless in containment, their secondary is hopelessly poor in coverage (even guys that have proven to be excellent in coverage in prior years), all of their receivers look like they don’t know their pass routes, their blocking always looks confused and out of step…..

    This is all coaching. Every last bit of it. You can blame Hasselbeck, Houshmandzadeh, Branch, Jones, Spencer, Trufant, Kerney, Locklear,… da da da da da da….. whoever you like but the truth is, until you get a decent coaching staff for this team and get them playing like a football team there’s no way anyone can properly evaluate who’s a keeper and who’s expendable.

  27. Seahawks2620 says:

    I actually think that with better talent along the line, Bradley can be a fantastic defensive coordinator. It is Mora and Knapp that I am so displeased with.

    I also just wanted to ask if any of you guys thought that Suh would be worth trading up to get him. I think that what we do in this draft is a hell of a lot different then what we have done recently. In these past couple of drafts, our unfortunately dumb management, has believed that we were only one star draft pick away from making a super bowl. I think that this draft is truly a build for the future kind of draft. This is why I believe that trading one of our first rounders along with one of our second rounders would be well worth Suh. This guy is obviously a dominant player, and pair him up with Mebane and we have quite the combo. I am not saying that we should neglect the offensive line, but the O-linemen in this draft will not be strong at all, and if Okung isn’t there when it is our turn, I don’t see a player that we need that is worthy of such a high pick. Just a thought though….anyone?

  28. Seahawks2620:I actually think that with better talent along the line, Bradley can be a fantastic defensive coordinator.

    I don’t. Blitz like crazy against scrambling QBs with poor passing skills and throw 3 man rushes at the likes of Peyton Manning and Kurt Warner? Not only that he seems to have this uncanny knack for calling stunts that weaken the line right at the point of attack.

    I think he’s the Bizarro DC. Everything is the opposite of what it should be.

  29. Yeah, I’ve plainly stated my dislike for Housh’s antics in the past. He continues to validate my opinions on him.

    Listen, I love players with winning attitudes. I think tough guys are awesome and really important for football teams. But when you start bagging it on the field…f that.

    It’s all about winning, right? If so, how is Housh advocating for his team by bumping his gums? Punk move from a man who shows that when things are good his attitude is great and acts like a F’G Nancy when things go bad.

    Housh: Go have a coffee with Burleson and take notes on how to be a man. Your job is to play football, so quit with the t-rex arms and the off-field drama.

  30. MattandCindy says:

    I’m with you Seahawk2620. Suh being such a dominant player is REALLY hard to pass up. I’ve seen him toss guys aside all year. Let’s hope the new GM will break from the “I’ll close my eyes and pick a guy” mold. It’s also really hard to fix GLARING problems in both the O and the D lines with one draft…….it’s alot easier to put our “coordin-haters” out to pasture. I don’t think I’ve seen such a misappropriation of talent in my life. EVER.

    But I’ll never give up hope on the Hawks…….

    P.S.- I hate you Gregg Knapp.

  31. seahawklovertoo says:

    S2620 , since BK and Duke are still in shock over the last games finish, I’ll answer You.
    YES, he is worth it. I would give any 3 of our players + my ex and all of her family
    + 4 posters on this blog.

  32. Of course, I’m all for trading up to get Suh. I think he’s a unique talent and guys like him don’t come around too often (but then why would a team trade his rights?).

    I’d love to take a LT, but there isn’t a “can’t miss” type of guy that there is with Suh. I know there’s no such thing as a sure thing (i.e. “can’t miss), but he’s as close to it as you’re going to get. If I would be guaranteed that Okung is the reincarnation of Walter Jones, then I simply keep our pick and take Okung (if he’s available). Jason Smith hasn’t done Okung any favors either… a high LT prospect who didn’t play in a conventional offense and has struggled as a rookie. In their defense, you don’t get too many guys come along like Joe Thomas who make the Pro Bowl as a rookie.

    I have been opposed to trading 2 picks for 1 at this stage in our rebuilding. But I have an idea (what else is new). We trade our #1 and #2 for the rights to take Suh. Lets say the Rams accept, because they need more than 1 player to right their ship and they would save millions and millions by not having to pay for the #1 overall pick. Those two things would seem to indicate I think they may accept our deal, even within the same division. Besides, for all they know, we might be trading up for a QB.

    Now, we have the Denver pick, which will probably be in the early 20s. Every year there’s teams in the 20s who trade down 3-4-5-6-7 spots and pick up picks additional picks in the 3rd-and/or-4th round areas.

    So, if you can do something like that, which history indicates you can, then we can have Suh, the Denver pick in the late 20s, and a 3rd or 4th round pick as opposed to keeping our own pick, the Denver pick, and our 2nd rounder. Either way, we have the same amount of players, except in the first scenario we’d have Suh to change our defense like Aaron Curry can only dream about.

  33. If Greg Knapp is on the Seahawks staff in 2010, I will not watch any games. I don’t like being depressed.

  34. Yeah, that was a great ending to the game. And the ‘Huskers are already up by 10. With that defense, the game should be over! Happy New Year!!!

  35. moo – I don’t think you’re going to have to worry about that. He’s as good as gone. I will truly be shocked if he’s back. I don’t expect Mora to return, but it certainly wouldn’t surprise me if he’s not brought back either. Not with the Knapper though.

  36. vichawkfan says:

    Hugh Millen should not use his buddy status with the HC to come onto a field and waste the time of a player at practice. Hugh has been such a pansy when it comes to critizing this team compared to last season….that kind of bias has no purpose for the fans.

  37. After the Seahawks draft Suh, maybe they should see if Carl Pelini is available to be their defensive coordinator. Suh could teach/show our guys what it’s like to play on a real defense.

    Does anyone else find the potential uncapped year to be goofy? Weaver left us as an UFA this past off-season (basically wasn’t wanted back), signed a 1-year contract with the Eagles, and now, if there’s no agreement on the CBA, he’s going to be a RESTRICTED free agent of the Eagles this upcoming off-season. I read this on PFT and it boggled my mind. He’s getting screwed over.

  38. Yeah, the only Seahawks player affected by the RFA issue that really matters to the team appears to be Jon Ryan.

  39. HawkSoop says:

    Knapp’s play book wasn’t written on business cards… it was written while playing Madden in rookie mode.

    It’s true that you can’t accurately evaluate talent when the team is as out of sync as the ‘Hawks this year… but when you are talking about a guy like DB money whose only defense of himself is rooted in his two super bowl rings from more than 5 years ago, and you watch him fall down on a cut, bail out of his route like he honestly heard a mack truck coming and simply fail to compete for passes that result in interceptions… yeah we can judge that his current talent, attitude and general douche baggery is not worth the first scrap of toilet paper on a new roll.

  40. Today is the first time I have gotten to see Suh play and WOW!!!

    He just throws away the OL guy when he wants to get to the ball!!!

  41. On a side note, does anyone know what the hawks are paying Griffith? I still can’t believe that he in anyway could have been considered better than Weaver.

    The Hawks let him walk over a $300,000 raise. They did make him an offer but I never saw how much it was? he made 1.4 in Seattle and 1.7 in philly plus incentives.

  42. HawkSoop says:

    Lance Laury, Jon Ryan, Rob Sims, Chris Spencer & Darryl Tapp are all on the list of players that would be UFA’s with CBA, but will be RFA’s without.

    I’d say that Ryan, Sims and Tapp are keepers. I’d make the required offer to Spencer and if anyone takes him we’ll gladly take their draft pick in exchange…

    Laury is a decent special teamer, but not special enough to really worry about it.

  43. And up to this point, it’s not one of his better games!

  44. Hill would have been a RFA too. Ironic.

  45. HawkSoop:It’s true that you can’t accurately evaluate talent when the team is as out of sync as the ‘Hawks this year… but when you are talking about a guy like DB money whose only defense of himself is rooted in his two super bowl rings…..

    Now who might you be talking about?

    Yeah, I know Deion Branch is not very popular here or elsewhere in the Seahawks fan domain but I think he’s a good receiver. In fact the only crisp, clean connections I’ve seen Hasselbeck make this year were to Branch, even into thick coverage. I attribute that to some leftover chemistry from the Holmgren era. I don’t think he’s their best receiver. I think Houshmandzadeh is, but I don’t think he’s a bum either.

    Look buddy, I don’t mean to be rude but this sort of thing really drives me crazy. You don’t like Branch? O.K. I can deal with that. I don’t really care who is or who isn’t popular among Seahawks fans but don’t cherry pick individual replays just to support your dislike of a player. All receivers fall down sometimes. Come to think of it, all receivers drop passes and make mistakes on their routes sometimes. Deion Branch is not an habitual offender with respect to any of these flaws. He’s just a receiver. If you really want to get on a receiver’s case then complain about Deon Butler. He’s been horrible all year long but then he’s also just a rookie.

  46. microbeer says:

    I don’t know about trading up for Suh. I like his ability and all but this team needs bodies. I would definately be trying to trade out of the 7th pick (our current slot) and stockpile an extra 2nd and a 3rd. The 7th pick isn’t going to break the bank for a team trading up so it might be possible. Hell, I’d trade out again if some team moved up from the middle of round 1. Lots of hole gentlemen…lots of holes.

  47. By trading up for Suh, we could still do that with our Bronco pick. There’s no rule that we can’t trade down more than once and eventually into the 2nd round. We could end up with Suh and a couple of 2nd rounders and a couple of 3rd rounders and even an extra 4th rounder (depending on how far down we want to move down in the 2nd… with both 2nd rounders). I agree, the more picks, the merrier.

  48. snydro22 says:

    I can’t wait for this season to be over. We need the makeover to get underway, fast.

  49. Dukeshire says:

    Bobby – I’m happy he looked so dominant and you got to see him. Next test; Sr Bowl.

  50. madpunter88 says:

    Am I the only person completely baffled by this row between Millen and Housh? I don’t know what either is really arguing. The whole team sucks. Apparently one or the other of them thinks the players suck a lot and the other one thinks the players and the coaches suck? Or does he think the coaches suck but not the players? And one of them criticized the quarterback but then provided a lame sort of retraction? Is that what happened? Wait…don’t bother explaining to me because I don’t care.

    I appreciate Housh’s passion. I’d rather the players be pissed and argumentative at the end of a bad season then blase. But then again, it is a little late for this sort of thing. Pack it in boys and come back next year. Nothing left this year but the crying.

    Someone above said Burleson should not be brought back. I completely disagree. Nate Burleson is the kind of player the Seahawks should want on this team. I love the guy.

  51. snydro22 says:

    If Cleveland and Washington both win this weekend, does that mean we would move up to the #5 spot in the draft due to our weak SOS?

  52. I wonder if Mora will evaluate and finally understand that Knapp and his style doesn’t fit our personnel? And if he does, I wonder if he will do anything to change the situation? And lastly…please …whoever our new GM is…please get us an O-line…PLEASE!

  53. Dukeshire says:

    Snydro – Presuming Seattle loses (a-hem) I believe you are correct.

  54. Okay I want like most of that Nebraska team/defensive coaches!! Granted that most of them aren’t NFL ready.

    I LOVE the attitude – hard play – discipline for each position. Get those great coaches too!!!!!!

  55. seahawklovertoo says:

    There is no way in this world that the Redskins will win this sunday. Browns are a strong maybe.
    I don’t care much about the ‘Skins b/c they’ll take Bradford which is fine with me.
    If we go sixth, than there is a fair chance we may get lucky and take Okung which is the second best player in my opinion and our TOP need. If I would be able to make that decision, I would not trade down and lose the chance on Okung. I have watched 4 games in which he played and I can tell all of You one thing : the defenses didn’t want any piece of him. Most of the snaps they were just acting they are in. The OSU QB never had any pressure coming from the left side.
    After tonight, I like Iupati as well ; (my gut feeling is telling me we won’t get Jahri Evans b/c he will be taken before we decide on our new GM ) yet , our left side OL will be great with those two ( Okung & Iupati ) .

  56. Actually, the Chargers have the #2 seed wrapped up, but they could pull a Colts and take out some starters/key players… and the Redskins could sneak out a win, even though they clearly are terrible in comparison to the Chargers in San Diego…

  57. seahawklovertoo says:

    Under that scenario, that may be the game for all times…..’Skins trying to sandbag and the Chargers playing their subs….. Honestly, I’d LOVE to have Okung as out LT of the future.
    BK, what do you think will happen if the Rams take Suh and we have Iupati and Ungar to protect our QB from him?

  58. Is the culture changed around here yet? Have we gotten rid of the mentality that we won the division 5 years in a row prior to last year?

    Maybe the culture we’re trying to change is that we want to win 1 division title each 6 years?

    In other news: if there is a CBA, there are 2 young Pro Bowl guards who are available… Pats LG Logan Mankins, Saints RG Jahri Evans (Evans being younger and better).

    Also, if we want a LT… Marcus McNeill has made 2 Pro Bowls in 4 years, but he didn’t make it this year (or last year). The reason has more to do with his conference than his play. In the AFC, you see, Clady, Thomas, and Long are better than McNeill. It’s not a knock against him, but the three in the NFC are NOT as good as McNeill.

    Employer: Seattle Seahawks Football Club
    Help Wanted: Offensive Linemen worth a crap.

    Also, DL, S, and an offensive playmaker. If you’re young, we also need a QB of the future. More Want Ads to come as we take care of the major needs first.

  59. sl2 — I don’t think Zorn will try to sandbag b/c he’s going to play to win. He knows this is his last game as HC and he’s going to want to win at all costs (as we all would).

    I don’t want to speculate on Suh in the NFC West and in a uniform other than the Seahawks. I had too much fun watching the game tonight to try to think about reality and Suh not playing on my favorite team anymore.

  60. snydro22 says:

    There’s a ton of pride in the NFL.. Can you show me one game ever where a team sandbagged a game in order to get a higher draft slot? It doesn’t happen. Most players are more worried about their own spot on the team to have the motivation to bring in more talented players by playing poorly.

    San Diego really has nothing to play for.

    Did you think the Buccaneers would beat the Colts? I sure didn’t..

  61. snydro22 says:

    “Most players are more worried about their own spot on the team to have the motivation to bring in more talented players by playing poorly.”

    That made no sense at all. I was trying to say that most players have way too much pride to lose a game intentionally. They also aren’t thrilled about the idea of a rookie coming in and taking their spot on the team. Intentionally playing poorly would be the last thing a guy fighting to stay on a team would want to do. This isn’t a sport where guys play into their 40’s (okay, forget kickers, Favre, and Testaverde) like MLB.. You get in, get your money and stay as long as you can, and then boom, you’re to the curb..

  62. Rumor has it that Okung hurt his knee in practice and might not play in the Bowl game!!!

    That would suck!!!!! well maybe. less exposure and we can still get him at 6 or 7 or where ever we go!!

  63. SharkHawk says:

    Syndro…. the Patriots tanked on purpose to get the first pick in the draft over the Seahawks. It was as clear as day, and anybody who was alive at the time and watched football saw what happened. They even got reprimanded by the league. They drafted Bledsoe… we got Mirer. The rest as they say is history. But it has happened before.

  64. Seahawklovertoo: “BK, what do you think will happen if the Rams take Suh and we have Iupati and Ungar to protect our QB from him?”

    SLT, you didn’t ask me, but I imagine that if the Rams draft Suh (and why in the world would they not draft Suh) then next year we will watch Suh chew up Max Unger during his first step into our backfield, spit out Unger with his second step, crush Forsett with his third step, and flatten Hasselbeck with his fourth step. If the Rams draft Suh, we no longer will have two sure wins in our division.

  65. snydro22 says:

    They got reprimanded by the league? I don’t remember that.

  66. HawkSoop says:

    earther says, “Deion Branch is not an habitual offender with respect to any of these flaws. He’s just a receiver. If you really want to get on a receiver’s case then complain about Deon Butler. He’s been horrible all year long but then he’s also just a rookie. ”

    Actually up until this year I was a Deion Branch supporter. What bothers me about Deion is: 1) He is soaking up way more cap space than he has ever been worth to the ‘Hawks, 2) When the offense needed him to come in and step up this year he has played flat, quit on his routes and not fought for the ball, and 3) After his worst three game stretch as a Seahawk he proceeds to go on a rant about how much better he is than anyone else in the organization.

    So yes, all receivers make mistakes, and yes the QB play has been attrocious and yes D Butler has not been great this year, but he is a rookie, D Branch is a former SB MVP and should be acting / playing like one.

    And to be clear I am not cherry picking replays. If I were to list every play I’ve seen Branch quit on I’d be typing until next week. Has he made some good plays this year? Heck yeah! His first TD reception was beautiful… but then he goes and makes some random comment in front of the camera that makes him look like a spoiled baby.

    If Branch started playing like he did late last year, running quick, crisp routes and delivering serious YAC, then I’d be all for him. My problem with Deion Branch is rooted in the fact that he has (or had) more talent than most receivers, had experience in the NFL to back it up, but now all we get is the cry baby version that won’t fight for the team unless it’s on the radio.

    So thanks for your opinion on Deion Branch, let me know if you have any other questions or concerns.

  67. HawkSoop says:

    earther: “This is all coaching. Every last bit of it. You can blame Hasselbeck, Houshmandzadeh, Branch, Jones, Spencer, Trufant, Kerney, Locklear,… da da da da da da….. whoever you like but the truth is, until you get a decent coaching staff for this team and get them playing like a football team there’s no way anyone can properly evaluate who’s a keeper and who’s expendable.”

    It’s a fair point. The coaching has been bad in every facet this year. But that doesn’t excuse the people responsible for making the plays.

    One more side note, I am in no way blaming the season on Deion Branch. He has not seen the field anywhere near enough to have affected the outcome of this season. I just find his on field play and off field antics disgusting. He could be, and the ‘Hawks could have someone much worse the Deion.

  68. In some ways I think Millen did this for his good buddy Mora…Millen is taking the heat for doing Mora’s dirty work I believe Mora has lost his team and throwing players under the bus would heat up the discussion to fire his butt at the end of the season.. Todd Lieweke and Allen have let this carnival happen and continue. It’s an embarrassment to the Northwest and an organization that prides it’s self in professionalism. It shows that 1 man cannot run 3 professional teams period. What’s next Oprah and Dr. Phil? If this is the smooth transition that Allen and Lieweke were looking for they sorely missed the mark.

  69. microbeer says:

    I watched the GB game again last night (I know…why). I can tell you that Locklear is a total liability at LT at this point. I’m not sure he is even a RT and I’m not even sure he is aggressive enough to play G.

  70. snydro22 says:

    I remember being in the absolute minority when there were trade talks last offseason about a Branch for Thomas Jones swap.

    Everyone said Branch was going to be a playmaker, and that Thomas Jones was over the hill..

    Now, I don’t know if Thomas Jones would have fared too much better behind our offensive line, but Branch certainly hasn’t given us squat..

  71. Dukeshire says:

    You’re right and I was one that was against such a hypothetical trade. Branch has been healthy and still has provided little in the way of substance. My expectations across the board were way too high, clearly. But I thought his agility and quickness would be a great compliment to Housh’s more aggressive style and Burleson’s deeper patterns. Whether it’s effort, health or something else Branch has disappointed in virtually every way.

  72. bulldog80 says:


    Couldn’t possibly agree with you anymore. I feel you just reposted all of the feelings that I’ve had this season.

    How can some of you guys keep saying that the defense is “ok”? or “Bradley will be fine “? This defesne is freaking horrible!! We just gave up 48 points last week. We gave up 24 to the bucs the week before. Is it just that the offense is so crappy that you don’t even remember the defense at all? A couple of player on the front four isn’t going to mean the difference in this scheme. NOONE is in the right positions. For crying out loud watch the games! Any defensive coach worth a sh!t would have adjusted the scheme to the talent he has. They have been continually crappier each week and some of you guys keep saying that it’s “ok”. Unbelievable. Is this already where the expectation level has gotten for our team?

  73. Here’s my prediction:

    We sign Eckert from Philly as GM
    Shanahan replaces Mora.
    We trade up and draft Suh.
    We sign three key free agents: LG Mankins, RG Evans, LT Marcus McNeil
    Eckert brings back Weaver.

    Is that a good enough offseason? Next year, we finish 10-6, win the division, and get back into the playoffs!

  74. princeaden says:

    Audible- Could we throw in a Vincent Jackson and Spiller to complete the transformation to go 12-4 and win the Superbowl as long as we’re dreaming?

  75. Can someone answer this question that has been puzzling me?

    How does Bradley escape the hawkdom scorn this year? People are calling for Mora’s head. Knapp’s head. Leiweke’s head. Paul Allen to sell the team???!!!! They got their wish with Ruskell. Why are so many people going easy on Bradley?

    What happened to the “elite defense”? I think we’re spending more on our LB corp than anyone else in the league. Curry is underperforming. Hill has regressed. Tatupu wasn’t exactly lighting it up before going to IR. Trufant may have the NFL record for the most PI penalties. Our pash rush sucks. Our pass coverage sucks. Nick Reed demonstrates good things but rarely sees action. Hawthorne was lighting it up but seems to have slowed lately. Craig Terrell in key situations. Babs had gotten blown up I don’t know how many times this year. Jennings may have improved some but Wilson is playing about like he did last year.

  76. princeaden,

    I don’t think it’s an impossible scenario. Unlikely, sure…but not impossible.

  77. HawkSoop says:


    I think Bradley gets by with less scorn simply because we are almost used to the defense sucking.

    I think the problem with D is talent. They are not talented enough in the front four, or the secondary. It could be that the defensive scheme is bad or that the players are not being used properly, so Bradley shouldn’t get a free pass.

    We spent 4-5 years trying to build an elite defense and we simply do not have elite defensive talent.

    Maybe that’s why Bradley isn’t getting as abused as the others?

  78. HawkSoop says:

    I think bulldog80 said it better, “Unbelievable. Is this already where the expectation level has gotten for our team?”

    It’s been a long time since our defense didn’t suck. Even the super bowl team was only above average.

  79. Dukeshire says:

    In part, Bradley gets a pass because the offense has put the D in difficult and impossible situations all season. With an offense that has struggled this badly and a head coach calling out players and units on that side of the ball, it deflects attention away from the defense. Of course, these are generalizations, but it factors in.

  80. snydro22 says:

    Bradley also gets a pass (or at least more of a pass than Knapp) because he is young and this is his first stint as a coordinator. He also really didn’t have any ties to Mora. Knapp was gifted the job, and was the only one considered, so there were always going to be high expectations and a bit of cynicism.

    The other reason I think Bradley gets a pass is because Mora and Quinn are both defensive coaches (supposedly lol).. So Bradley doesn’t have nearly the authority that Knapp has.

    Under Holmgren, Haskell really didn’t have much authority. Holmy was top dog with regards to the offense. Now, with Mora and Quinn both being defensive guys, Knapp is basically the czar of the offense. He shoulders almost 100% of the blame with regards to play-calling and execution.

    So, in a nutshell, I am much more accepting of Bradley coming back in some capacity than I am of having Knapp back at all. Even though our defense has been atrocious at times, at least Bradley isn’t asking his players to do things completely opposite of their skill set, like Knapp seems insistent upon..

  81. The talent on our defense is a bit perplexing. We simply do not have enough talent on our defensive line to make the defense go.

    I don’t think Tapp is very good, but I don’t think he’s bad either. He’s more part of the solution than a problem though. If I had to grade him, I’d say he’s a C+. (with a “C” being average)

    I know Cole bashing is in vogue, but he’s done, for the most part, what we expected him to do. If I had to grade him, I’d give him a C.

    Mebane has disappointed in getting to the QB but he’s a beast on run defense. He constantly has a good push and is one of the better run defenders I’ve seen this season. Grade: B+ (doesn’t get an A because of the sack numbers)

    If Tapp starts at RDE next year, that will mean Jackson is most likely starting at LDE. He’s not bad. He’s decent in the run game and he’s not too bad at rushing the QB. Granted, he doesn’t provide pressure like we’d want in a 1st rounder, but he could be worse too. Players make significant leaps from year 1 to year 2 and we’ve seen Jackson improve this year compared to last and we can also expect another leap from year 2 to year 3. This year I’d give him a C- but next year I predict a C+.

    On paper, this DL has decent starters. At least the starters are good enough on an individual basis to be considered part of the solution, not the problem. But the reality of the situation is that these guys as a whole aren’t good enough to get the job done. We see it week after week. And the depth is extremely poor.

    Can any of you imagine how terrible this line would become if Mebane missed significant time? Actually, we can… think back to the first San Fransico game when Gore tore us up on the ground. Back-ups like Terrill (I don’t think he or Kerney will be around in ’10 though) and Bryant have not demonstrated enough for us to think they are part of the solution. To me, Bryant plays too high a lot of the time and, therefore, gets pushed around more than someone his size should. Maybe some is coaching (not playing low enough consistently) but he doesn’t seem to have the natural strength like I thought he would either. Still, he’ll be making the year 2 to year 3 jump next year so we can keep our fingers crossed.

    I think we’d see more from our LBs if they had more help up front and I actually think Wilson and Jennings have done a good job this season. When you consider the lack of pass rush, I’m proud of the job those two in particular have done.

    While I was critical of the Grant signing from day 1 (thought he was paid too much for his on-field production) I will say that I have been impressed with him this year simply for his toughness. He could have packed it in a month ago and gone on IR but he has fought through everything with a cast and I really have appreciated him for that. He’d also benefit if we had a DL who could do a better job up front. Same for Babs, although I think he’s more of a part of the problem for ’10 than solution though from the FS position.

    Basically, if we could add an impact DL (like Suh or Morgan) and address the FS position… I think we’d see great progress in our defensive play next season. I think another DL would need to be brought in for depth purposes, but he wouldn’t need to be in the form of a high pick or major FA signing.

    I think we’re somewhat close to having a good defense, but equally as important for them is for the offense to improve. We need an offense that can score once in awhile so the defense isn’t on the field as much and when they are, they can play with a lead (which makes playing defense easier).

  82. Dukeshire says:

    Part of the problem with the d line, is that in order to get a consistent pass rush, opposing teams need to be in a position where they have to throw. Losing by an ave margin of 19.5 points per game absolutely negates what guys like Tapp, Jackson and even Kerney can do and reduces Mebane to a run stopper only.

  83. Anyone else watching Gerald McCoy right now?

  84. Dukeshire says:

    Just got home. Be able to watch the second half.

  85. So what does anyone think about the idea of a Forsett /Gearhert combo in the backfield next year? With Weaver as a lead blocker? That would be great!!!! (IMO)

  86. princeaden says:

    Audible- In on way was that a knock on you. I love every single possibility you listed. Now, does Leiweke have the ability to sell it to Eckhart? I dont know. And if so, does Eckhart have the same vision? I hope so. But, never the less it’s a geat plan and it’s all very possible. But, it starts with Leiweke. God I hope he gets it right or we are in for a long 5-8 years.

  87. princeaden says:

    I think if we were to move back to a drive blocking team, Gearhart could be that 5-7 yd grind-it-out guy that would break other teams wills. Personally, I like it with our 4th rounder, maybe even a 3rd if we could trade for one.

  88. princeaden says:

    *Eckert* oops.

  89. Dukeshire says:

    I’m not a big Gerhart fan, not for the Seahawks anyway. This team needs some more dynamic, explosive players. Not more plodders, IMO.

  90. Audible, you didn’t include who you wanted cut. If you include cutting:


    Letting Go:






    Other FA additions:

    Deep-Threat #1 wide-out
    Tall Corner
    Half decent defensive end

    Then I’d be happy with the off season.

  91. Dukeshire says:

    Why cut Lock? He’s a more than serviceable RT. And you’d void Burleson’s final season? Seems drastic. He’s a relative bargain at 3.25 mil. I would also re-sign Sims. He may have been the team’s best lineman this season. I certainly agree on re-signing Tapp and cutting Branch and Terrill and would ask Kerney to restructure but if he rejected the idea, he too would be gone. Not that anyone asked…

  92. See now I disagree – Gearhart is a one cut hit the hole type of guy with power. perfect for what they are trying to do. No dancing!!!! Now I am not saying I think he is the answer at RB but if you have a combo of him, Forsett and ???? you have all sorts of different looks you can throw at a Defense, AND maybe you can get those 3rd/4th and shorts!!!!! Very few RB’s can carry the whole load anymore in the NFL. Look at the successful running teams, they have very good back and good change of pace guys, (not guy) Look at the giants the last few years until Ward left, 3 solid guys – all brought their own strengths to the table and gave fits to the Defense, Ward leaves and they struggle a little more becuase there are less options!!!

  93. BobbyAyala says:

    “Wednesday practice report: A meeting of the minds”

    LOL, the irony of a Williams blog header…

  94. BobbyAyala says:

    “Why cut Lock?”

    Because he is a bad football player.

  95. BobbyAyala says:

    “I would also re-sign Sims. ”


  96. BobbyAyala says:

    “He may have been the team’s best lineman this season.”

    And that’s saying something!

  97. BobbyAyala says:

    “Not that anyone asked… ”

    Perhaps for a reason after that post.

  98. snydro22 says:

    You really needed five posts to say all that?

    Locklear is not a good, or even average, LT.. But he has shown to be an adequate RT.. Although he is paid waaay too much for the position..

    For someone who makes bets and doesn’t pay up, then whines about being broke and on unemployment, you sure do have a big mouth..

  99. snydro22 says:

    Go back to covering high school girls soccer games in NorCal lol.. Cool job.. I bet you got a lot of poon-tang.. And you lost that job? What, you couldn’t keep up with all the JV games and school dances? Was homecoming week a nightmare? That job must have paid well at least, right? I bet you didn’t know what to do with all that money..

    Man, no wonder you’re so angry.. Look dude, no one would blame you if you quietly took a bunch of sleeping pills..

  100. snydro22 says:

    Okay, my head is pounding a little bit and I feel bad about those posts.. I don’t drink anymore so a few glasses of champagne and I turn into Rodney Dangerfield.. I shouldn’t have gone below the belt.. But lay off Dukeshire.. There are enough idiots on here to get after, if you so desire, that you can probably lay off one of the few intelligent posters..

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