Comments on: Thursday practice report: RB Jones returns, RB Jackson still out for Rams http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2009/11/26/thursday-practice-report-rb-jones-returns-rb-jackson-still-out-for-rams/ Where there is no off season Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:47:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Dukeshire http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2009/11/26/thursday-practice-report-rb-jones-returns-rb-jackson-still-out-for-rams/#comment-9941 Dukeshire Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:14:35 +0000 http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/?p=1390#comment-9941 chuck_easton - Not sure about the others but Terreall Bierria is in jail for murder. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seahawks/2010102705_nfl21.html chuck_easton – Not sure about the others but Terreall Bierria is in jail for murder.

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]]> By: Audible http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2009/11/26/thursday-practice-report-rb-jones-returns-rb-jackson-still-out-for-rams/#comment-9939 Audible Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:44:11 +0000 http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/?p=1390#comment-9939 Sorry duke...i pasted it from the Draft Spreadsheet thing from the other day. Sorry duke…i pasted it from the Draft Spreadsheet thing from the other day.

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]]> By: Dukeshire http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2009/11/26/thursday-practice-report-rb-jones-returns-rb-jackson-still-out-for-rams/#comment-9937 Dukeshire Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:38:30 +0000 http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/?p=1390#comment-9937 I don't intend to offend anyone with this, but we really don't need anymore lists of Ruskell v Holmgren draft picks. These have been listed here, ad nauseam the last couple weeks. Perhaps just pasting the link would suffice. Thanks. I don’t intend to offend anyone with this, but we really don’t need anymore lists of Ruskell v Holmgren draft picks. These have been listed here, ad nauseam the last couple weeks. Perhaps just pasting the link would suffice. Thanks.

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]]> By: Audible http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2009/11/26/thursday-practice-report-rb-jones-returns-rb-jackson-still-out-for-rams/#comment-9936 Audible Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:25:54 +0000 http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/?p=1390#comment-9936 Here's Ruskell's 1st years of drafting. If you compare Holmgren to Ruskell based just on their first three years, it's debatable as to who did a better job. Although, Holmgren was moonlighting as an NFL head coach at the time, so I think you have to consider that fact as well, and ask how things would be different if he concentrated all of his energies on the GM position with the experience he's had and time off to reflect on how he would approach things the 2nd time around. 2005 Chris Spencer C 1 26 700 Mississippi Ruskell Holmgren 2005 Lofa Tatupu LB 2 45 450 USC Ruskell Holmgren 2005 David Greene QB 3 85 165 GEORGIA Ruskell Holmgren 2005 Leroy Hill LB 3 98 108 Clemson Ruskell Holmgren 2005 Ray Willis OT 4 105 84 Florida State Ruskell Holmgren 2005 Jeb Huckeba DE 5 159 28.8 Arkansas Ruskell Holmgren 2005 Tony Jackson RB 6 196 14 Iowa Ruskell Holmgren 2005 Cornelius Wortham LB 7 235 1.9 Alabama Ruskell Holmgren 2005 Doug Nienhuis OG 7 254 0.5 Oregon State Ruskell Holmgren 2006 Kelly Jennings CB 1 31 600 Miami Ruskell Holmgren 2006 Darryl Tapp DE 2 63 276 Virginia Tech Ruskell Holmgren 2006 Rob Sims OG 4 128 44 Ohio State Ruskell Holmgren 2006 David Kirtman FB 5 163 27.2 USC Ruskell Holmgren 2006 Ryan Plackemeier P 7 239 1.5 Wake Forest Ruskell Holmgren 2006 Ben Obomanu WR 7 249 0.75 Auburn Ruskell Holmgren 2007 Josh Wilson CB 2 55 350 Maryland Ruskell Holmgren 2007 Brandon Mebane DT 3 85 165 California Ruskell Holmgren 2007 Baraka Atkins DE 4 120 54 Miami Ruskell Holmgren 2007 Mansfield Wrotto OG 4 124 48 Georgia Tech Ruskell Holmgren 2007 Will Herring LB 5 161 28 Auburn Ruskell Holmgren 2007 Courtney Taylor WR 6 197 13.6 Auburn Ruskell Holmgren 2007 Jordan Kent WR 6 210 8.4 Oregon Ruskell Holmgren 2007 Steve Vallos OG 7 232 2.2 Wake Forest Ruskell Holmgren Here’s Ruskell’s 1st years of drafting. If you compare Holmgren to Ruskell based just on their first three years, it’s debatable as to who did a better job. Although, Holmgren was moonlighting as an NFL head coach at the time, so I think you have to consider that fact as well, and ask how things would be different if he concentrated all of his energies on the GM position with the experience he’s had and time off to reflect on how he would approach things the 2nd time around.

2005 Chris Spencer C 1 26 700 Mississippi Ruskell Holmgren
2005 Lofa Tatupu LB 2 45 450 USC Ruskell Holmgren
2005 David Greene QB 3 85 165 GEORGIA Ruskell Holmgren
2005 Leroy Hill LB 3 98 108 Clemson Ruskell Holmgren
2005 Ray Willis OT 4 105 84 Florida State Ruskell Holmgren
2005 Jeb Huckeba DE 5 159 28.8 Arkansas Ruskell Holmgren
2005 Tony Jackson RB 6 196 14 Iowa Ruskell Holmgren
2005 Cornelius Wortham LB 7 235 1.9 Alabama Ruskell Holmgren
2005 Doug Nienhuis OG 7 254 0.5 Oregon State Ruskell Holmgren

2006 Kelly Jennings CB 1 31 600 Miami Ruskell Holmgren
2006 Darryl Tapp DE 2 63 276 Virginia Tech Ruskell Holmgren
2006 Rob Sims OG 4 128 44 Ohio State Ruskell Holmgren
2006 David Kirtman FB 5 163 27.2 USC Ruskell Holmgren
2006 Ryan Plackemeier P 7 239 1.5 Wake Forest Ruskell Holmgren
2006 Ben Obomanu WR 7 249 0.75 Auburn Ruskell Holmgren

2007 Josh Wilson CB 2 55 350 Maryland Ruskell Holmgren
2007 Brandon Mebane DT 3 85 165 California Ruskell Holmgren
2007 Baraka Atkins DE 4 120 54 Miami Ruskell Holmgren
2007 Mansfield Wrotto OG 4 124 48 Georgia Tech Ruskell Holmgren
2007 Will Herring LB 5 161 28 Auburn Ruskell Holmgren
2007 Courtney Taylor WR 6 197 13.6 Auburn Ruskell Holmgren
2007 Jordan Kent WR 6 210 8.4 Oregon Ruskell Holmgren
2007 Steve Vallos OG 7 232 2.2 Wake Forest Ruskell Holmgren


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]]> By: BobbyK http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2009/11/26/thursday-practice-report-rb-jones-returns-rb-jackson-still-out-for-rams/#comment-9934 BobbyK Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:24:08 +0000 http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/?p=1390#comment-9934 His Hutch pick was, agruably, his best draft choice. And trading for Matt (although he didn't play well right away) was great. And drafting Shaun was good, too. But after those 3 core pieces, Walt was already here, same with Gray, Lock wasn't drafted by Holmy, and Jurevicius was our most important WR in '05. Strong was a result of Tom Flores. Tobeck was a solid FA acquisition by Holmy. Basically, the offense that Holmy gets all the credit for in '05 consisted of 5 players that he brought in (Matt, Shaun, Hutch, Tobeck, Stevens). I know we had DJack, but he missed most of the '05 season. We were 2-2 with him and 13-1 without him. And Engram, another Holmy FA signing, also missed significant time in the middle of the season. Jurevicius really proved to be very valuable in that time period. His Hutch pick was, agruably, his best draft choice. And trading for Matt (although he didn’t play well right away) was great. And drafting Shaun was good, too. But after those 3 core pieces, Walt was already here, same with Gray, Lock wasn’t drafted by Holmy, and Jurevicius was our most important WR in ’05. Strong was a result of Tom Flores. Tobeck was a solid FA acquisition by Holmy. Basically, the offense that Holmy gets all the credit for in ’05 consisted of 5 players that he brought in (Matt, Shaun, Hutch, Tobeck, Stevens). I know we had DJack, but he missed most of the ’05 season. We were 2-2 with him and 13-1 without him. And Engram, another Holmy FA signing, also missed significant time in the middle of the season. Jurevicius really proved to be very valuable in that time period.

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]]> By: Audible http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2009/11/26/thursday-practice-report-rb-jones-returns-rb-jackson-still-out-for-rams/#comment-9933 Audible Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:15:07 +0000 http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/?p=1390#comment-9933 The phenomenal thing about Holmgren is that he turned us into perennial contenders and got us to the Superbowl despite the lousy picks he made during his tenure as GM. Here is Holmgren's draft legacy as GM: Player Position Round Pick Value Koren Robinson. WR 1 9 1350 Steve Hutchinson OG 1 17 950 Shaun Alexander HB 1 19 875 Lamar King DE 1 22 780 Chris McIntosh OT 1 22 780 Jerramy Stevens TE 1 28 660 Ken Lucas CB 2 40 500 Ike Charlton CB 2 52 380 Maurice Morris RB 2 54 360 Anton Palepoi DE 2 60 300 Brock Huard QB 3 77 205 Darrell Jackson WR 3 80 190 Heath Evans FB 3 82 180 Karsten Bailey WR 3 82 175 Kris Richard DB 3 85 165 Orlando Huff OLB 4 104 86 Antonio Cochran DE 4 115 64 Marcus Bell OLB 4 116 62 Isaiah Kacyvenski ILB 4 119 56 Terreal Bierria DB 4 120 54 Curtis Fuller CB 4 127 45 Pork Chop Womack OG 4 128 44 Floyd Wedderburn OG 5 140 36 Alex Bannister WR 5 140 36 Rocky Bernard DT 5 146 33 Charlie Rogers RB 5 152 31.8 Ryan Hannam TE 5 169 24.8 Steve Johnson CB 6 170 24.4 Matt Hill Offensive Tackle T 5 171 24 Josh Booty QB 6 172 23.6 James Williams WR 6 175 22.4 Tim Watson DT 6 185 18.4 John Hilliard DT 6 190 16.4 Craig Jarrett Punter P 6 194 14.8 Harold Blackmon CB 7 210 8.4 Dennis Norman OT 7 222 3.6 Jeff Kelly Quarterback QB 7 232 2.2 Kris Kocurek DT 7 237 1.7 The phenomenal thing about Holmgren is that he turned us into perennial contenders and got us to the Superbowl despite the lousy picks he made during his tenure as GM.

Here is Holmgren’s draft legacy as GM:

Player Position Round Pick Value
Koren Robinson. WR 1 9 1350
Steve Hutchinson OG 1 17 950
Shaun Alexander HB 1 19 875
Lamar King DE 1 22 780
Chris McIntosh OT 1 22 780
Jerramy Stevens TE 1 28 660
Ken Lucas CB 2 40 500
Ike Charlton CB 2 52 380
Maurice Morris RB 2 54 360
Anton Palepoi DE 2 60 300
Brock Huard QB 3 77 205
Darrell Jackson WR 3 80 190
Heath Evans FB 3 82 180
Karsten Bailey WR 3 82 175
Kris Richard DB 3 85 165
Orlando Huff OLB 4 104 86
Antonio Cochran DE 4 115 64
Marcus Bell OLB 4 116 62
Isaiah Kacyvenski ILB 4 119 56
Terreal Bierria DB 4 120 54
Curtis Fuller CB 4 127 45
Pork Chop Womack OG 4 128 44
Floyd Wedderburn OG 5 140 36
Alex Bannister WR 5 140 36
Rocky Bernard DT 5 146 33
Charlie Rogers RB 5 152 31.8
Ryan Hannam TE 5 169 24.8
Steve Johnson CB 6 170 24.4
Matt Hill Offensive Tackle T 5 171 24
Josh Booty QB 6 172 23.6
James Williams WR 6 175 22.4
Tim Watson DT 6 185 18.4
John Hilliard DT 6 190 16.4
Craig Jarrett Punter P 6 194 14.8
Harold Blackmon CB 7 210 8.4
Dennis Norman OT 7 222 3.6
Jeff Kelly Quarterback QB 7 232 2.2
Kris Kocurek DT 7 237 1.7


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]]> By: BobbyK http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2009/11/26/thursday-practice-report-rb-jones-returns-rb-jackson-still-out-for-rams/#comment-9932 BobbyK Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:03:49 +0000 http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/?p=1390#comment-9932 That was my biggest issue with Holmgren... he'd allow morons and would use high picks to get them (KoRoOne, Stevens, etc.)... I am a firm supporter of the character stuff, but don't toally oppose taking a chance here and there. But normally I'd take chances with low risk, high reward types. I would not normally use a 1st rounder as "taking a chance." Or I wouldn't offer a guy like Brandon Marshall (who is a top 3 WR in the NFL type of talent) a long term deal with a lot of guaranteed money. That's something Holmy would do and it would probably be nice in the short term, but come back to bite us in the ass in the long term. But, hey, if '10 is going to be uncapped and Paul Allen says to "buy" a championship, I wouldn't be opposed to a 1-year Brandon Marshall contract of $20 million guaranteed. But he'd still be a FA and would need to do well (on and off the field) to cash in as a FA again. That'd buy a little leverage for a season:) That was my biggest issue with Holmgren… he’d allow morons and would use high picks to get them (KoRoOne, Stevens, etc.)… I am a firm supporter of the character stuff, but don’t toally oppose taking a chance here and there. But normally I’d take chances with low risk, high reward types. I would not normally use a 1st rounder as “taking a chance.” Or I wouldn’t offer a guy like Brandon Marshall (who is a top 3 WR in the NFL type of talent) a long term deal with a lot of guaranteed money. That’s something Holmy would do and it would probably be nice in the short term, but come back to bite us in the ass in the long term. But, hey, if ’10 is going to be uncapped and Paul Allen says to “buy” a championship, I wouldn’t be opposed to a 1-year Brandon Marshall contract of $20 million guaranteed. But he’d still be a FA and would need to do well (on and off the field) to cash in as a FA again. That’d buy a little leverage for a season:)

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]]> By: chuck_easton http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2009/11/26/thursday-practice-report-rb-jones-returns-rb-jackson-still-out-for-rams/#comment-9930 chuck_easton Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:47:28 +0000 http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/?p=1390#comment-9930 And one of the knocks on Ruskell is that his ego gets in the way. Ok, fair enough. When there were some SERIOUS red flags about Robinson and the Drinking, Stevens and the Drinking Domestic issues, Holmgren picked them anyway because he was SURE he could handle them and work with their issues. Every GM in football was running screaming from those two but Holmgren's ego told him he could make it work. Same with Lamar King. Attitude from day one. Name one defensive player that Holmgren selected that turned out to be a good pick? Well I can name one, Rocky Bernard. Where are Anton Palepoi, Kris Richard Terrell Bierria (all 2002 drafts of Holmgren) these days? If it is indeed time for Ruskell to go I would like someone new brought in, and not go back to Holmgren just because he was a good HC. And one of the knocks on Ruskell is that his ego gets in the way.

Ok, fair enough.

When there were some SERIOUS red flags about Robinson and the Drinking, Stevens and the Drinking Domestic issues, Holmgren picked them anyway because he was SURE he could handle them and work with their issues. Every GM in football was running screaming from those two but Holmgren’s ego told him he could make it work.

Same with Lamar King. Attitude from day one. Name one defensive player that Holmgren selected that turned out to be a good pick? Well I can name one, Rocky Bernard. Where are Anton Palepoi, Kris Richard Terrell Bierria (all 2002 drafts of Holmgren) these days?

If it is indeed time for Ruskell to go I would like someone new brought in, and not go back to Holmgren just because he was a good HC.


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]]> By: BobbyK http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2009/11/26/thursday-practice-report-rb-jones-returns-rb-jackson-still-out-for-rams/#comment-9928 BobbyK Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:32:35 +0000 http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/?p=1390#comment-9928 I actually went to Nebraska (1 year) when Green played there and had student season tickets in '96 to watch him each week. Personally, I liked him a lot, but hated the fumbles. For as good as he was with Nebraska (one of the greatest ever Nebraska runners with respect to speed), Seattle, and Green Bay... I absolutely hate RBs who fumble. Trading him didn't bother me because of that, but I certainly thought we could/should get more for him than we got (a bag of stale chips). I actually went to Nebraska (1 year) when Green played there and had student season tickets in ’96 to watch him each week. Personally, I liked him a lot, but hated the fumbles. For as good as he was with Nebraska (one of the greatest ever Nebraska runners with respect to speed), Seattle, and Green Bay… I absolutely hate RBs who fumble. Trading him didn’t bother me because of that, but I certainly thought we could/should get more for him than we got (a bag of stale chips).

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]]> By: Audible http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2009/11/26/thursday-practice-report-rb-jones-returns-rb-jackson-still-out-for-rams/#comment-9927 Audible Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:23:08 +0000 http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/?p=1390#comment-9927 What did you think about the Alexander pick and the Ahman Green trade? I was pissed that we dumped Green. What did you think about the Alexander pick and the Ahman Green trade? I was pissed that we dumped Green.

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