| 2009 Stats | Seahawks | Vikings |
| Record | 3-6 | 8-1 |
| Total Yards Gained | 3,038 | 3,322 |
| Total Offense (NFLRank) | 337.6 (16) | 369.1 (7) |
| Rush Offense | 93.3 (27) | 122.4 (10) |
| Pass Offense | 244.2 (13) | 246.7 (12) |
| Points Per Game | 20.8 (19) | 30.1 (2) |
| Total Yards Allowed | 3,042 | 2,958 |
| Total Defense | 338.0 (20) | 328.7 (15) |
| Rush Defense | 105.0 (11) | 94.6(6) |
| Pass Defense | 233.0 (22) | 234.1 (23) |
| Points Allowed/Game | 22.0 (18) | 20.4 (T12) |
| Possession Avg. | 28:20 | 31:32 |
| Sacked/Yds. Lost | 23/142 | 19/131 |
| Sacks Made/Yds. Lost | 20/119 | 34/200 |
| Interceptions By | 8 | 6 |
| Penalties/Yds. | 48/437 | 54/400 |
| Punts/Avg. | 46/46.7 | 41/43.8 |
| Turnover Differential | -2 (t20) | +4 (6) |
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On paper, they have the edge in a few areas, but we appear to be suprisingly more evenly matched than our records would suggest.
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I agree with Audible.. Odd how we have similar records on paper, however the records speak of a different fate! Oh well.. Suppose it’s just a game. Few will win, many will lose!
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I can’t believe their time of possession is only 31 min per game. I guess that’s the downside of having an offense that can score quickly.
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Well, we are better then them at pass defense and penalties haha.
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I would trade a loss against San Francisco for a win in Minnesota.
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If we can only win 1 more game this season, I truly hope it’s this week. For a week, I don’t care about Suh, I only want a win so the creaps around here shut the H up for a little while. As someone who considers himself a true fan of a team, I truly hate the bandwagon morons around here.
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‘Hawks let Devin Moore go today and signed Xavier Omon to PS.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/xavier-omon?id=2641
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I’ll be pleased if they can keep this game within single digits, but not hopeful it can be done. They just can’t move the ball in chunks and can’t stop anyone when it counts.
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Interesting move, Duke…
I like this guy’s size, and he sounds like a bruiser. I guess he’s pretty slow, though. Does anyone have access to his combine numbers?
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Here’s a question…
Does anyone know why kickers and punters are so undervalued and underpaid in the league?
How much would it cost to have the best punter, kicker, and returners in the NFL? Maybe what like$5 M? If you add up all the times that those guys combine for touches and the potential to kicks us out of trouble, win tight games, and make big plays that translate to great field position or points…seems like that would be money well invested.
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Audible – Here are his 40, bench and vertical numbers.
http://www.postgameheroes.com/?p=2097
Apparently he had a sore knee and wasn’t able to participate in the other drills.
http://www.stjoenews.net/news/2008/feb/24/omon-works-out-nfl-combine/?sports
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I just read that Shaun Alexander ran a 4.49 40 coming out of college. I thought he was slower than that?!
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Key stat:
avg points scored:
Them 30, Us 21.
Other than that, I’m not so sure that statistics mean much in Football.
To beat the Vikings, we would need to do two things:
1) Get a lead early so Knapp can stick to his game plan.
2) Keep Brett Favre from beating us in the 4th quarter.
I’m not placing any bets on those things happing.
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That kid Xavier Omon looks big, but apparently benched less then Forsett haha. He is slow as hell as well
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Right now, we are so bad that even if we get out to an early lead (see Cardinals game and being up 14-0) we’ll still blow it against a superior team.
If they get out to an early lead, we’re screwed. Jared Allen and Co. will pin their ears back and Matt will get sacked 10 times because our pathetic bunch of “talented” players on the OL are so bad that they couldn’t even stop our horrible pass “rush.” And that’s bad.
I think our only chance is win the turnover battle by +3. I hope it happens. I want it to happen. But I’m realistic and don’t want to get my hopes up.
I was thinking about the off-season earlier today and I don’t want to trade picks for veteran players. However, the Jets made a trade with the Bears a few years ago that intrigues me. The Bears traded a late 2nd round pick and Thomas Jones to the Jets for an early pick in the 2nd round. I was wondering if we could pull off some type of deal like that. Perhaps for Osi Umenyiora. I know he’s sick of his current contract situation and this would be the off-season he could/would get moved. Perhaps we could move our 2nd rounder to the Giants for their 3rd rounder and Osi. Stranger things have happened.
All I know is that it would be nice to sign a big money FA for each line (although I don’t know our cap situation). And then draft a first rounder on each unit too. Add some instant impact in FA and build for the future with the first rounders. Either way, something needs to get done with both lines of scrimmage.
The FAs I’d be most interested in at this time is Evans (RG) and Kampman (DE) for instant impact. And I’d love to be able to perhaps trade our 2 first rounders to the team with the #1 overall pick for their #1 and #2 (which will be the first pick in the 2nd round). I’d really like to target a guy like Mike Johnson (LG) or best available LT. And then if we could move our #2 to the Giants our DL would look like:
RDE Osi Umenyiora
RDT Brandon Mebane
LDT Ndamukong Suh
LDE Aaron Kampman
All of a sudden we’re talking about having one of the worst front 4′s in alll of the NFL to perhaps having the best.
With respect to the OL, we’d have:
LT Walter Jones, 3rd round draft pick
LG Mike Johnson
C Max Unger
RG Jahri Evans
RT Sean Locklear, Ray Willis
*With Willis set to become a FA and Lock getting a bit older, but not too bad, I’m all for taking another OT with our early pick in the 4th round, simply to add youth/talent to a unit that so many of us have been complaining about ever since Hutch left town.
I don’t expect Walt to play and realize he’s done and that’s why we need to take a tackle in the 3rd round. And I don’t expect a rookie 3rd rounder to come in and start right away, but we can’t have everything. If you look at the DL and the improved talent on the OL… I think next year at this time that we would all be jacked about the remainder of our season, instead of being forced to look forward to the off-season AGAIN.
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we should have a good amount of money to spend this offseason if we choose to do so, seeing as how we have alot of veterans who are taking up alot of money leaving.
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Eric – Have you heard anything new on the Walt situation? For example, is there another surgery planned? Or is the pain going away on its own? I know he’s probably done… but was just wondering.
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2620 – I was thinking we should have a lot of $ too. And with Paul Allen as our owner we don’t have to worry about being like some teams and not spending it (I wish him the best and hope it doesn’t change things with respect to the Seahawks). The big money guys I can see not coming back are Julius Jones, Walter Jones, Kerney, Redding, Grant, Lucas, etc. I’m not predicting either Jones or Grant will be gone… just saying it could happen. Grant is paid like a star, is getting old, and doesn’t perform nearly to the level he is paid to be. It’s not like he’s improving. I think JJ makes something like $3 million, Walt around $7 million, Kerney around that same price… now, I don’t know what their cap hits are or what their signing bonuses were, etc. just throwing it out there. I’d much rather pay a healthy Walt for another year though.
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BobbyK, Cool ideas. But remember that huge free agent expenditures like those come with huge risks. I like the Jahri Evans idea. That one makes sense.
Osi Umenyiora and Kampman are both pushing 30 and would command huge contracts. Seems kind of like signing Wistrom and Kerney in the same year. These kind of signings often look like bad money moves after a couple years down the road as these guys age and slow. And to free up that much $$$ I think you would have to cut Walter Jones (how much would that save?) I kind of prefer seeing a GM build through the draft instead of big $$ free agents. But I like your thinking.
I’m pretty sure Ruskell (or whomever replaces him) will be called on to do some wheeling and dealing this offseason, especially since Mora and co. will now have their own “Wish List” after beginning to install their new schemes this season.
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If your looking at cutting payroll, the first two guys you call to the office are, in order, Branch and Kerney. Redding is on a one year deal after they re-worked his Lion contract so there is only upside there, should they chose to re-sign him. Grant is scheduled to make 4 mil next year and 6 mil in ’11. Maybe next year but no way they pay him 6 mil in ’11. In any case, without knowing either, what the cap hits would be should they cut any of these players (frankly, I don’t have the energy to look it up right now) there would seem to be a lot of money tied up in players that don’t figure into the ‘Hawks future. I expect significant roster movement next year.
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I thought the cap situation is a mess for next year and will require a Tampa kind of purge for some of the moves BobbyK envisions?
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Yes Stevo – Kampman will be 31 by seasons end and while Umenyiora is a couple years younger he’s knee problems. I would agree that these type of players put the team right back in the situation their in now after only a couple of seasons. But I too like Bobby’s thinking; how to improve and looking forward.
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pabuwal – As it stands, next year is basically capless. And if it weren’t I don’t know that they’d be in dire straits.
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*had* *they’re*
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Yeah, there are a million scenarios to improve our OL and DL and they don’t have to involve Evans and/or Kampman.
The Kampman contract would come with the knowledge that he will be 31, with a few good years left in him. Obviously, everyone would like to add a good pass rushing LDE so it’s not like we can wave a wand and have whoever we want (Kris Dielman). I do like the idea of trying to add him and/or Osi while also drafting Suh. I figure with Suh, he’s not going to go to the Pro Bowl in his rookie year. He’ll be an upgrade, but not the player he’s going to evolve into either. So by adding the instant impact guy (Kampman/Osi) to help out in ’10 and laying the foundation with Suh… I think that’d be a great scenario if we were serious about winning in ’10 with respect to the DL.
And if we were to move to a 3-4… as we’d talked about… Terrence Cody is ideal.
I don’t think he’d be ideal in our current defense. Mebane needs to go back to the 5-tech next year. He’s simply more effective there. What about Cole? He’s our current 5-tech guy but makes bigger bucks. Could he be a cap casulty after 1 year? Probably not, but you never know. If we stick to the 4-3, Cody isn’t ideal either (as he’s not a 3-tech, but a poster boy for the 5-tech). I don’t see him being a very good pass rusher in the NFL and our DL can’t stand to add anymore bad pass rushers. I do like his height and ability to bat down balls (and block FGs).
But as we’ve said before, he’d be the perfect fit at NT in the 3-4. I think he’s got the skills to be the best 3-4 NT in the NFL by the end of his 2nd season. He’s that big of a monster. I don’t see him meeting the Ruskell work ethic and character codes though (from what I’ve heard).
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“On paper, they have the edge in a few areas, but we appear to be suprisingly more evenly matched than our records would suggest. ”
Don’t let the stats mislead you, we’re benefiting from some extremely one-sided wins against the Rams and Jaguars (both shutouts). Also, the turnover differential would be much, much worse without Matt Stafford giftwrapping us 5 interceptions.
The Vikings are a much, much better team and it’s going to be a pathetic sight when Steve Hutchinson annihilates that fat piece of garbage Colin Cole on every routine snap. In essence, a centerpiece of a Ruskell failure.
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Yes, a matchup of a guy that Ruskell wouldn’t pay big bucks to (Hutchinson) vs a guy Ruskell did pay big bucks to (Cole).
It’s going to feel real good to be a Seahawks fan Sunday night.
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BobbyK, you are slightly incorrect. The 5-technique role is played by linebackers if I’m not mistaken. What are you referring to is the 1-technique, the role Brandon Mebane played last season and what Colin Cole is failing at this season.
Terrance Cody would probably be a good fit as a 3-4 NT, but it would be extremely disadvantageous for Seattle to try that approach. And like you say, he has work-ethic concerns and is known to take snaps off, which is probably a turn-off for Ruskell (although here’s to hoping he’s no longer in charge the second this season is over).
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I have some good news everyone: for the 4th week in a row and the 6th time the last 8 games, Seahawk fans will get to play Mar-AA with your host, Dick Stockton! I’m going with Jagermeister this Sunday. Elk, Ryan, Tony, et all? For those of you unfamiliar, go to the Seahawks section…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olindo_Mare
Enjoy!!
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With Stockton doing the game again, I’m glad I won’t be able to hear.
Duke – Maybe you’ll actually have your own identity for this weeks game?
If anyone gets on the live chat as me, it’s a fraud, I’ll be at the game with no access to the computer.
That was pretty lame.
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fireruskellnow – I stand corrected. Thank you.
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I bet Hutch could prevent Cole from coming within 2 yards of Favre even if he had 1 hand tied behind his back.
pabuwal – thanks for reminding me that Cole (overpaid) will be going up against Hutch (not paid properly). Another kick to the gut. This hasn’t been a good week.
Anyone have any news to make a Seahawks fan more depressed?
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Shaun Alexander was a 4.6-4.65 guy coming out of college. Could be why he “fell” to 17(?) overall.
If Seattle is rebuilding, no more 30-something D-ends. We’ve already seen how they hit the wall. As fans we gravitate towards those 28-29-30 year old players because we are looking for names we know, with production we know. But if Seattle is really rebuilding, it’s going to have to be with some “small” names and younger players, developing D-lineman from within.
It’s not unlike what they’ve been trying to do the past 4 years, but we actually have to hit it big on a player. Even if we brought in 3-4-5 younger ends over a 2-3 year period – if we hit big on one, and get a decent guy out of another, then it’s enough. For sure though, you have to give the guys 2-3 years to pan out.
At this point, I would say Daryl Tapp is what he is. Jackson seems to have stopped improving at midseason (again), but it’s still way too early to give up on him. One more year at least. Nick Reed should be given at least another year to get bigger and develop further. I’d hope that he could push for a regular role for sure next year, maybe at the tail end of this year, as a designated pass rusher. A pity we lost Bennett though…
I don’t agree with the 3-4 business at this time. The coaching philosophy should drive the scheme, not the personnel. I think you are seeing some teams who tried out 3-4 systems sliding back to the 4-3 (even the Patriots.) If the coaching staff, whoever that may be, thinks the 3-4 is schematically the best way to counter offenses, then it’s up to the GM to trade/move/acquire people to fit the scheme.
Traditionally, in a 3-4, the two outside LB’s are big, taller type players. Curry is a bit short by this standard, but with his power and better than expected rush ability, should be a good 3-4 OLB. I don’t think Hill is a good fit at 3-4 OLB. Not sure if Tatupu is a great fit at ILB in a 3-4, though he’d probably be OK. Since Tatupu is packing on the pounds and losing agility, 3-4 ILB might suit him better than before. Need to see more from Hawthorne, but I think he’s too light unless we have a real space-eater at nose tackle that will keep him clean.
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Just went to Sando’s blog on ESPN, looks like God really hates us and gave us Dick Stockton for another game.
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I think Hill would fit well in a 3-4. I don’t think it would suit Lofa as well. He’d still be good though (as long as we had a good/legit NT). I think Curry would absolutely shine as a rush end type of OLB. Like Lawrence Taylor. I’m not saying he’ll be Taylor, but you get the idea. With his speed, athleticism and toughness, I think he’d shine in that role (but that would mean switching sides of the field so he wouldn’t be lined up over the TE). That type of role would also involve less thinking… which seems would help Curry even more.
I prefer to stay with a 4-3 base and improve the quality of the DL. I think we can live with Jackson at RDE. It’s not ideal, but every unit has a weak link and it’s not like he’s going to be terrible in ’10. You can only do so much in an off-season. We know Mebane is fine/good. But two other positions need improving, that’s FOR SURE.
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FireRuskellNow, I’m curious why you think “it would be extremely disadvantageous for Seattle to try [3-4 defense] approach?
I think this scheme would fit our personnel well. The problem is that here are only a few quality 350-lb NTs on the planet. Cody is the only one widely reported as being a likely first-rounder in 2010. If we could not get the right NT, its a moot point, but I think trying to get the right NT and switching over would have a lot of merit.
Our personnel would fit the 3-4 scheme well because, after years of investing, we do not have a great pass-rushing DE. We do, however, have two explosive pass rushers – Aaron Curry and Darryl Tapp! If we put those two guys at OLB and let them both rush and I think their skills would be maximized.
I think Curry and Tapp could be hell on wheels in a 3-4 scheme, and that’s what the Seahawks D need! More impact from pass rushers.
So, if we could bring in the right big man for NT. Why not do it?
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I’ll be glad to tell you why, Stevos.
It’s simply because we don’t have a SINGLE player who would be an ideal fit in 3-4 front 7.
Tatupu, while a top-tier 4-3 MLB, has trouble with blockers sometimes, and as a 3-4 ILB, that would be his main duty.
Curry was not a pass-rusher in college and isn’t in the pros. People don’t realize that he’s been blitzed off the edge relentlessly and has consistently failed to register pressure. There’s little evidence he can be an even average pass-rusher, let alone a great one, it’s far more likely he’s a poor one.
Hawthorne looks good but nobody can make any conclusions about him based on 3 or 4 games starting so far.
Hill is a good player, a bit top-heavy but out of all the LBs I’d bet on him being the best in a 3-4.
Tapp may or may not adjust as a 4-3 OLB. Best case he becomes Elvis Dumervil, but I have never seen a consistently powerful bull-rush move from Tapp, I think he’s best suited as a 4-3 speed-rushing end, his current role.
The D-Line would be a mess, Cole is one of the worst DTs in the NFL. Mebane’s pass-rush ability would be neutralized. Jackson might make a decent end but that’s about it. Red Bryant is inconsistent.
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For Tapp I meant adjust as a 3-4 OLB, obviously.
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I don’t think we will have one single player in the pro bowl this year. Forget injuries. Fire Ruskell.
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Fire, Thanks, that just might all be true.
On the other hand, I think Tapp is hamstrung at DE and would be freed up moving to OLB (much like a stronger version of Chike Okeafor). Curry projects well as a pass rushing OLB, he has tremendous explosion and I think he has no limits once he starts practicing that role. Cory Redding and Red Bryant both have the size/skills of prototype 3-4 DEs. Tatupu and Hawthorne can do anything other ILBs can do, and having them side-by-side would be a big bonus for our D.
The one guy that might not fit the scheme well is Mebane as he is short for a 3-4 DE. But very talented players often escape those artificial limitations and I’m guessing Mebane is one of those guys who will excel in any role we give him.
Of course, Mora, Bradley, and Quinn are much better and figuring all this out than we are. It will be interesting to see what they do in offseason. Of course, if that perfect NT does not fall to us in the offseason, then all of this is just wild speculation as we will stay in a 4-3 of necessity.
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and I didn’t include Hill in my posts about the defense because with all the LBs we have I think he may be trade bait in the offseason.
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For the sake of argument, lets say we can draft Mount Cody and make him our NT.
I think Mebane would make an absolutely wonderful RDE. He is a dirty work type of player and that’s exactly what you need from your DEs in a 3-4. He is a force against the run and showed last year he can get push in the pocket. A DE in a 3-4 isn’t supposed to be a good outside pass rusher, and Mebane isn’t. That DE needs to be a force against the run and be good enough to take on two blockers, which Mebane fits to a tee. When I think of great DEs in 3-4 defenses… I think of guys like Leonard Marshall from the Giants or Richard Seyymour of the Pats (until a few months ago). These guys don’t shine and get 10 sacks per year, but they are forces and I think Mebane is comparable to these two very respected and good players.
I think the skills of Jackson make him more suited for a 3-4 DE than a 4-3 end who is expected to provide needed pressure. He’d have to put on about 10 lbs, but I don’t see that as a problem. Jackson is okay at the point of attack and I think he’d play this role well.
If Curry is the rush OLB, then I think you need a guy like on the strong side like Carl Banks of the Giants used to be (he complimented LT perfectly). You need someone strong at the point of attack in the run game. Hill is that. You need someone who can occasionally rush. Hill can do that. You need someone who is above average in coverage. Hill is average. It’s not his strength, but he’s not terrible at it. I think he would fit in well.
Just b/c Curry didn’t rush a lot in college, I can see him being a machine. He has all the skills. He has speed around the edge and he’s so strong I can totally see him being this type of player. And you could blitz Hill more than the Giants did with Banks because Curry is such a good athlete that he can get back in coverage too (will get better with more experience in the NFL).
The only player I think would hurt is Lofa, but with Cody in front of him to eat up blockers… this could be neutralized. Cody will demand 2 blockers on very play and he’s so big that those 2 blockers won’t even be able to move him out of the way. And this gets Hawthorne onto the field and he is proving that he’s definitely one of our best defensive players.
I didn’t mention Tapp, as I think LBs (unless they are like Ware, who will rush 90% of the time) need to be more versatile than he’d be. I see him being weak in coverage and with Curry, he wouldn’t be the guy who’d do most of the blitzing anyway. He’d be the Carl Banks and that’s not good enough with respect to coverage. Plus, Tapp is a FA.
With Lofa/Hawthorne at ILB in a 3-4, I do think our safety play would need to be upgraded to having at least 1 player who could make some nice hits from back there (please, no Taylor Mays comments). The combo of Grant/Babs needs to get upgraded anyways, but in a 3-4 a young Lawyer Milloy would be a great addition to go along with a ballhawking FS.
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Heck, even if we stick with the 4-3… we need a young Milloy (Myron Rolle?) and a ballhawking FS (Nick Collins?).
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Stevos,I think if we do go to a 3-4, Tapp is the odd man out. Wouldn’t the OLB naturally be Curry and Hill? Also, I agree that if we can land the right Big Man NT it would serve us well to move to 3-4 so Lofa and Hawthorne would both be on the field and God knows we need all the talent on the field we can get.
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Hard to project, but Tapp and Redding both drop into coverage quite a bit now under Bradley’s schemes. Redding doesn’t handle it well, but Tapp plays well in space. I think if Tapp lost 10 pounds and worked those skills, he’d be great. He’s a great pass rusher but loses effectiveness from a 3-point stance because he lacks height. Once he gets moving, he’s very hard to stop. Watch Okeafor play OLB in the Cardinals 3-4. He can’t cover but he is very effective causing havoc in the opponent’s backfield. That’s what I’d love to see Tapp freed up to do.
Does anyone remember when Tapp came out of college? His former coach called him “a rolling ball of butcher knives.” Ha.
But sure, Leroy Hill certainly projects as a rush OLB in a 3-4 as well. But Leroy is a bit small to be a high-impact LB for more than a couple more years. I’d like to see us trade him while he has value.
And I just got it in my head that I’d just love to see Tapp and Curry rushing from OLB. I think it would be hell on wheels.
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Good analysis about how the Cards use Chike and how we could use Tapp. Interesting.
I don’t think Hill has any trade value. It isn’t because he’s not a good player, I think it has more to do with his $6 million per year salary. The missing games each year since his R season will also scare some away too. After all the injuries we’ve had the past few years, I know I’d be mad if the Hawks went out and got someone who seems more of an injury risk than most. There’s always exceptions though.
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As stupid as this may sound… why not have hawthorne lose a few pounds and go to strong safety?
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Kevin, I would really doubt Hawthorne could transition to saftey.
I played OLB in college and practiced at S also, but it is a very different position to play. I don’t know whether Hawthorne has ever played safety, but I don’t think most LBs can make that transition.
I’ll defer to what John Morgan wrote over at Field Gulls recently about Hawthorne:
” If you’re the right age, you probably remember thinking [LB] Michael Boulware was a superstar safety in the waiting. In two seasons he had nine interceptions, three forced fumbles, three sacks and a touchdown return. His play was noticeable, electric, and terrible. Boulware couldn’t read a route or defend play action… Boulware was shipped out, benched by the Texans and then run out of the league. Hawthorne is auditioning… His highs are exciting and his lows too subtle for most fans. His weaknesses reading an offense are apparent, but he’s young… “
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I’d take boulware back over either safety we have now, though.
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John Morgan over at field gulls
OK… out of all the safeties in the league there are but 4 on a yearly basis that go to the pro bowl. That’s right. All the others have flaws that even a dim wit like JM can write home to their mommy about.
Boulware was drafted by Seattle in ’04, had five INT, 1 TD, 6 PD, 2 FF, 49 TKL, 16 Ast and the Hawks won the div. That as a rookie. And his sophomore season was no more less impressive ending in a SUPER BOWL APPEARANCE.
In his 3rd year he was benched in favor of Babineaux but reinserted at season end. The Hawks went on to lose their second game in the playoffs.
Babineaux… Babineaux… have i not heard that name before??? …OH YES!
He is the buster that Boulware beat out some years back and is a STARTING safety for the Seahawks.
And don’t try to tell me that Boulware was not a better fit for the ‘Cover 1′ deployed one year ago. He would have been a natural playing up close and in the box!
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Boulware would have continued to shine if he would have been a nickel LB. I know that’s not what you expect from a 2nd rounder, but he played that role VERY well. I believe if some team wanted him for that role, they’d be getting a good player.
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Hawks will end up with a little bit better draft pick as the result of this game.
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BobbeK – What’s a nickle LB? Is that the LB that sits because an extra DB is on the field, or you’re saying that nickle LBs are good coverage LBs?
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