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Jim Mora press conference: Playoffs no longer Hawks focus

Post by Eric Williams on Oct. 18, 2009 at 9:49 pm with 58 Comments »
October 18, 2009 9:52 pm

A couple programming notes. There will not be a Monday morning chat tomorrow. And I will be away from the blog this week. I have to take a work-required furlough during the bye week, so Ryan Divish will be handling blog duties this week. He’ll have a report from Jim Mora’s press conference on Monday, along with any other happenings during the week.

After the Seahawks were dispatched by the Arizona Cardinals 27-3, some realities of the season had to be addressed by Seattle head coach Jim Mora and his players.

And one of them appears to be that this team is not a playoff-caliber squad.

Mora had said heading into his first season as head coach that he believed the Seahawks could turn things around this year – that this season was more of a retooling than a rebuilding effort.

But at 2-4, six games into the season, and with a rash of injuries, along with inconsistent play on both sides of the ball, Mora seems to be changing the goals of the team at midseason.

“We’re going to not focus on the playoffs right now,” Mora said. “We’re going to focus on getting better and more consistent as a football team. That’s our number one goal, which is how we can get better every day we go to work.”

Even if they were fully healthy and had all of their players available, Seattle has to face the reality that they are not the same caliber of team the Arizona Cardinals are right now.

The Cardinals did what good teams do – find the weakness of their opponent and exploit it.

Arizona knew Seattle’s left side of the offensive line, with fourth-string tackle Kyle Williams and backup Steve Vallos, would struggle to pick up the blitz and stunts of the Cardinals’ experienced defensive front. And they exploited it, picking up five sacks and never letting Hasselbeck get comfortable.

The constant pressure resulted in one of the worst offensive performances by Seattle in recent memory. Seattle finished with 128 total yards, tied for seventh-worst in terms of total yardage in team history. And Seattle’s 14 yards was a franchise-worst, breaking a 21-year old record.

The Seahawks now go into the bye week hoping to get back injured players like Sean Locklear, Rob Sims, Leroy Hill, Marcus Trufant and perhaps Walter Jones.

But the 41-0 win over Jacksonville now seems like a distant memory. It’s now six weeks into the season, and Seattle still does not have an identity in terms how they will play game-in and game-out in order to win games.

In shutout wins over St. Louis and Jacksonville it looked like pressure defense would carry them. However, the Seahawks have been unable to duplicate that effort against good teams.

Seattle cannot run the ball, a staple of offensive coordinator Greg Knapp-led offenses, because the make-shift line up front can’t get a push. And they can’t throw the ball down the field to its talented receivers because Hasselbeck doesn’t have time to throw.

“Some weeks we play well, some weeks we don’t,” Hasselbeck said. “You don’t know which team is going to show up.”

So that will be the task for Seattle the next two weeks – figure out a consistent way to win games.

And they will need to do it quick, with four of the next five on the road in November, including games at Dallas, Arizona, Minnesota and St. Louis.

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  1. Eric, Please tell coach Mora that I said….

    No Sh*t Eienstien.

  2. All the doubters were right. This was a long time in the making. Tatupu being done for the season really hit home with me. Julian Peterson is better than curry, but we trade him for a washed up D-Lineman, change him to a d-end, and pass on young tackles.

    Levi Jones and Tony Pashos. Those names ring a bell? Maybe 3-3 or 4-2 or even 5-1 with a half decent o-line.

  3. I believe the fans should stop going to games and send a message to Mr. Allen that 12’s man deserves better.

  4. This team stinks. Today I was ashamed to be a fan. A homeless guy heckled me as I was walking home from the game with my Seahawks attire and I didn’t even have anything I could say back to him. How pathetic is that.

  5. BobbyAyala says:

    “Julian Peterson is better than curry.”

    Come on man, that’s just ignorance. JP was sorry in SF.

    The only player on that defense is Curry, and the only reason we got him is because KC is about as stupid as we are.

    That said, fire Ruskell tomorrow. Just do it. We can’t continue down this path of mediocrity for the sake of Ruskell’s friendships.

  6. “Playoffs no longer Hawks focus”

    Can they actually focus?

    Ya think, Jimbo? That remark goes down as another death knell for the Ruskell regime. We need to get a GM in here who can actually fix the Oline because Ruskell messed it up 4 seasons ago and it’s still broken, he hasn’t noticed that fact yet.

    That folks was the worst home game performance in quite a few years. It was disgusting, even the hapless Titans got more 1st downs than we did today.

  7. How long is Kerney out for?

  8. bigmike04 says:

    CYRREEN says:
    October 18, 2009 at 10:17 pm
    I believe the fans should stop going to games and send a message to Mr. Allen that 12’s man deserves better.

    Are you even a seahawks fan? What message will that send to Paul Allen that your just fair weather fan.. Come on fans try that before sonic left and guess what they did.

    If you true seahawks fan and you still got tickets than go but if you not going to go than sell them to seahawks fans but if you just going to stop coming to game than you just look like fair weather fan period.

    We all would like to see Tim Russell get fired but it isnt are call at all and we dont make the decision.

  9. nmseafan says:

    2009 so far.

    2009 MVP
    Jon Ryan (no joke)

    2009 What are they doing in a Hawk’s uniform? (For the first time or still)
    Redding
    Cole
    Kerney (unfortunately)
    Jennings
    Sims
    Spencer
    Williams
    Milloy
    Grant
    J. Jones
    E. James
    Owens
    Branch
    Babs (unfortunately)
    S.Wallace

    2009 U-GOAT (ungreatest of all time)
    Not necessarily in this order:

    Babs (sad to say some of his great Hawk expoits seem to be merely a case of being fortunate enough to be in the right place at the right time)
    Carlson (sophomore jinx or last year he was the only guy left to throw to?)
    Mare (over the hill)
    Wallace (never could get it done when given the chance and still can’t, definitely time to be a WR if he’s still on the roster next year)
    Owens (who is this guy? and why is he on the team? Hands of brick)
    Hasselbeck (ouch, my favorite player but…….looking more like the 2001 version instead of the 2005, a deer in the headlights)

    2009 overpay for underplay:
    Kerney (stick a fork in him)
    Redding (shows up just in time to throw his body on the pile)
    Cole (Did he play against the Cards?? I saw him in unifrom on the field!)
    Hill (always hurt)
    Branch (had one good game in his career and it wasn’t with the Hawks)
    Grant (Why did we ever sign him? I forget, Oh cuz he could communicate well with Brian Russell !)
    James (stick a fork in him)
    Jones (had one good game in his career AGAINST the Hawks)
    Mare (stick a fork in him)
    Owens (Again who is this masked man?)
    Sims (always hurt)
    Spencer (Always hurt)
    Jennings (too small)
    S.Wallace (wasted career as a QB, should have been a WR or DB)

  10. nmseafan says:

    2009 Most consistent players:
    Tapp
    Curry (based on energy)
    Reed
    Tatupu
    Jackson
    Hawthorne
    Herring
    Wilson
    Burleson
    Forsett
    Unger
    Obomanu
    Laury
    Mebane
    Ryan

  11. edstang45 says:

    Yes we sucked big time today!! Yes the rest of the year is going to be hard to get through!! But this is my team win or lose, good or bad!! I Love the Hawks and will see this to the end!!!! If I’m hurting this bad today Imagine how the team must feel. If we expect our team to keep fighting working to get better and build to get back to the top then as the “12th MAN” we must stand strong behind “OUR TEAM” Let the Bandwagon riders off at the first stop, and keep doing what we do which is “Supporting Our Team” GO HAWKS!!!!!

  12. Nmseafan did you even watch that game yesterday? Tom brady/peyton manning hybrid couldn’t have made anything happen with the o-line.

  13. nighthawk2 says:

    Fans not going to games is not being “fairweather” nor is it “not being a fan”. It’s the one method fans have, other than various outlets for public pressure such as call ins to sports radio, letters to editors and other media protest forums, to let the owners know we’re tired of the b.s. and are not going to support it anymore. All owners care about is the proverbial “bottom line”, money. They start losing money from lack of ticket sales, empty seats (thus local blackouts), lack of merchandise sales, then they sit up and take notice and figure out they better do something about fixing the product. If this team were milk or cheese it would be recalled and thrown out because it’s past its expiration date, spoiled and stinks.

    As a Seahawk fan from 1976 what I’ve always wanted over the years is a dominant, kick-ass team that went out and beat the crap out of every opponent and made other teams fear them; like the Stealers, Ravens, Giants, etc. But that’s never been the case here, at least since the Erickson era on through Holmgren and now Mora it’s a “finesse” team that got smacked around by other teams other than one season, 2005. Too many folks want to tolerate mediocrity and call it “being a real fan”.

    There’s always been this “reload not rebuild” mantra by fans drinking the kool aid and thinking this was some great team. It was a better than other teams in a bad division team until the Rams fell apart, then it was the best in a bad division. Now we’re not even that. This team needs to be blown up and started over, starting with the front office. They need to get rid of Tod Leiweke, Tim Ruskell and Jim Mora and staff, et al. Hire a coach who’s a hard case, a Parcells or Cowher type of mindset (although I always felt Cowher was overrated as a coach), so there will be a team with some toughness here, not a cupcake like Tony Dungy or Dick Jauron or a lapdog who’s in over his head like Jim Mora. Get a GM that can recognize talent, that doesn’t look down his nose at certain positions, doesn’t ignore key positions, that isn’t arrogant in his dealings with players, especially great ones, a team president/CEO that doesn’t tolerate mediocrity, and a coach who can hire a conditioning staff that doesn’t have massive, severe injuries year in and year out. Is that too much to ask?

  14. tacstar253 says:

    i would almost like to see seneca come in when our o line cant block just because of his mobility. with wallace in there we might have been able to get a td at least. i love hasslebeck too. he just isnt mobile enough to have the crappy of an o line and win. we just need to win the next two games and we will be 4-4

  15. seahawklovertoo says:

    PLAY-OFFS ?!! YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT PLAY-OFFS!!!!??????!!!!!!!!!!
    Play-offs no longer Hawks focus………
    Like (loser) father—–like (loser) son !!!!!!! Go and bring in Tony Dungy so we can see SB again in our life time.
    This jokers ( Ruskell, Mora , Krapp and the rest of the coaching frauds and the IDIOT that hired Ruskell ) got to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  16. drmossguy says:

    None of it matters that much.

    Every team will go through crappy periods. And then they will have good times. Seattle is still a relatively young franchise. It will swing the other way, in time.

    There are holes left from the last 4 years of mismanagement that are now putting the team in honest rebuilding mode. No more patchwork. New team.

  17. hawkdawg says:

    All Allen cares about is the bottom line? Don’t think so. He’s a businessman, but he’s not your average NFL owner.

    He won’t make changes because his gate receipts drop. He’ll make them if he cmes to the conclusion that the team needs new direction.

    I think Mora is safe for awhile. But Ruskell may not be. He gambled that he could iece together a good team from older players, good drafting and free agent signings/trades. It could have paid off, given some luck on health.

    But he didn’t get that luck. His days may be numbered.

  18. seahawklovertoo says:

    Nighthawk2, I agree Dungy is”‘soft” cupcake , but players like him and respect him for his knowledge of the game. To fight and win, one must fear the leader , or like and respect him. Cowher IS over-rated and he wouldn’t come to NW anyway. Shanny is waiting for bigger market job. Jimmy Johnson just wants to run his mouth ( to windy in Seattle for his hair). Gruden is like Mora, just better.
    Holmy is done as a coach in the NW. That leaves only Dungy and Brian Billick.
    Parcels doesn’t have the will to put up with another rebuilding job unless he has opulent sunshine to soften the edges. As for Ditka, he is the greatest MORON that ever walked the sidelines ( look how long it took the Saints to recover from his Ricky Williams fiasco) that got lucky to have a QB like McMahon in his one monster year and Buddy Ryan to build his “D”.
    I would never give any college coach a shot ( to many reasons to post).
    The only other option is to “steal” Reed from Philly and let Holmy be the Prez or, GM.

  19. Dukeshire says:

    Why are the only options retreads? And of those, Andy Reed is the only one? Look, after Ruskell’s tenure comes to an end at the conclusion of this season, I pray the new GM will have the foresight to not choose someone from one of the Sunday morning NFL pregame shows to coach this team.

  20. mkelly534 says:

    As others have noted, we need to come to the understanding that we are not a contender but a team in transition. Get rid of players who cannot stay on the field (no matter how talented) and restock the O-Line with some higher, more talented players. No overpriced Free Agents unless they are under 28 and entering their prime. WE ARE NOT ONE PLAYER AWAY FROM THE SUPERBOWL!! Ruskell will likely be resigned by Paul Allen because he just started with “his coach” and system and Mr. Allen will give him a chance to succeed.

  21. Dukeshire says:

    Yes, not one player away, lol. But I disagree with you regarding Ruskell. He has done little to warrant a new contract and while Mora may be “his coach” he has clearly not given him the “tools” to succeed and ultimately that is his job. The D has plenty of building blocks but the offense is simply depleted. Ruskell will not be the one entrusted to rebuild it, IMO. His lack of judgement when it comes to players age and health and the decision to rely on them should be enough to warrant a change.

  22. I firmly believe we have a good football team, minus the offensive line. Call it kool-aid or whatever… but I think our defense, as is, is pretty good (not as good as it should be considering the resources has used on this unit).

    I think our RBs aren’t anything special, but we have a good QB and good receivers (WR/TE). Yeah, sure, Babs isn’t a stud… but our entire team, minus OL, is pretty good. Our coaching on the other hand hasn’t been overly special either (which has been disappointing). Our coordinators have been outright bad too.

    OL is why we suck. When you can’t run the ball b/c your OL sucks. That sucks. When your QB doesn’t have time to throw b/c your OL sucks. That sucks too.

    Our entire franchise is held hostage because our worthless pile of craps on the OL suck donkey doo-doo. They are utterly worthless. Pathetic. An embarassment to the city, its fans, and its fans outside the NW area (yet I’m gonna keep on loving ‘em).

    We must sign a big money FA on the OL (if there is one available) AND draft AT LEAST 1 OL HIGH in the draft. If we don’t get a Pro Bowl FA type of guy… then we need to use 2 of 3 of those early picks on OL. This position cannot continue to ignored with band aids and duct tape. As it’s proving right now, one position can hold a team hostage.

  23. Yea we got our @ss handed to us by what I thought was an inferior team.
    Undisciplined, uninspired, and innefective play by the hawks as well as really showing that our O line needs BIG time fixing and that you can’t compete in the NFL with 3rd 4th and 5th stringers..Our D line cant pressure a QB that wears cement shoes, why?
    People want to can Morra after a couple of games, come on now.
    New Offense, New Defense and a team of walking wounded for the second year in a row and the coach needs to go.
    Not yet, He is working with what he has.
    I was waiting for a tirade after the game from him that never happened, I didnt want him to throw anyone under the buss like he did to Mare, but a little yelling and screaming would have mad me feel better.
    Another season like this or loose the rest of the games this year, then the talk can start about canning him.
    New coaches need time to get their scheme in place.
    I do think the Special Teams coach needs to GO. Too many problems for too long.
    The short kick not getting covered is a Jr High mistake.
    Horrible blocking, no return yards, you name it the special teams suck.
    I also think the training staff at least needs a shake up if not be entirely replaced, too many strains and pulls.
    How many strained groins have we had the past two years?
    Waaaay to many compared to other teams.
    Ruskell has too long ignored the O line and its really really showing now, he is definately on the Hot Seat.
    Next Years Draft and Free Agency better be dedicated to getting the O line and even the interior D line fixed first, then worry about the Safety, CB, RB and replacement QB.
    People will say we need a QB, a RB or some other superstar Money guy, without time the QB/RB cant work. Without Defensive line pressure we get picked apart.
    Am I mad about the game, $&LL yes and I’ll Bi#$ my head off.
    Will I quit going to the games, NO
    Do I think we still have a chance at an Ok season, I do, but one or two more uninspired games like this one I’ll start to aggree with the neigh sayers, but I’ll still root the boys on.
    Let the fair weather fans drop their season tickets so I can move up to better seats.
    1 week off hopefully the people who can be back will be back, the nicked up players heal up and I hope the gell quickly after their hiatus.

  24. BobbyK
    Amen

  25. BobbyK –

    I’m with you too. It’s painful to read all these seahawks are terrible comments, but part of the deal I guess after a loss like the one yesterday.

    The whole, ‘blow it up’ concept, is, I guess, appealing to some, but it doesn’t really make sense in football where you’ve got a 50-man roster. Should we upgrade the weak spots? Of course – but turning over the entire roster isn’t going to magically make us faster, stronger, better, etc.

    I agree that our defense played well yesterday. And I still back the QB (and one thing to take out of yesterday is that he can take heavy hits w/out injury) – I still he think he can make the throws. Our receivers are talented too. O-line killed us – can’t win with the guys we put out there yesterday.

  26. bulldog80 says:

    Yes the Cards exploited our biggest weekness, but what’s bothering me about this game is why didn’t we do anything to help support that weekness? Where was the screen game? There werre no screens, slants, draws, or quick outs called and I only remember one or two rollouts. WTF? Not even an attempt at slowing down that rush. There were huge gains to be had there and OC is apparently to concerned about getting the 5 and 7 step drop deep pass to worry about it. Pathetic play calling. This is what I’d like to ask Mora about. At least try to work with what you have.

  27. I don’t understand why everyone wants tim ruskells head after every loss, but after every win everyone says oh wow maybe this team is good, rinse and repeat. I think seattles defense played very well given the circumstances, minus the first drive. No defenses in the NFL would have been able to control the other team after those 2 turnovers. Factor in the offense not ever being on the field to give the D a break, and you have yesterdays end result, which I put 100 percent on the lackluster play of the left side of the line. They knew it was weak so they blitzed hard every time. Thank god hasselbeck didn’t get hurt. He’s a young 34. He still has 4-5 more years left. Let’s. Put some faith in the team, levi jones on the line at LT, then when/if walter jones comes back, you have put levi in at left guard.

  28. I wish we had one person that was charged with the task of assembling a roster of talent to compete as a top echelon team that is a play-off maninstay.

    Oh wait, we do have someone that is charged with that responsibility–Timmay. Unfortunately, for the second consecutive year he has failed to address a rapidly aging roster ripe with “good guys” that lack the physical skills to compete at the highest level.

    Oh well, we’ve got the nicest darn team in the entire NFL. Fortunately they will have plenty of time in January and February to be active in the community because they sure won’t be playing football.

    Eric, can you please ask Jimmay if I get a price reduction on the remainder of my season tickets since they’ve thrown in the towel on the rest of the season?

  29. “Yes the Cards exploited our biggest weekness, but what’s bothering me about this game is why didn’t we do anything to help support that weekness? Where was the screen game? There werre no screens, slants, draws, or quick outs called and I only remember one or two rollouts. WTF? Not even an attempt at slowing down that rush. There were huge gains to be had there and OC is apparently to concerned about getting the 5 and 7 step drop deep pass to worry about it. Pathetic play calling”

    I think those are good points. And maybe, yesterday, with our O-line so poor, and AZ scheming to exploit it, nothing would have worked. But I watched a good chunk of the NO-Giants game yesterday – and the level of sophistication in the NO offense seems light years ahead of ours.

    On this one play – they pulled the Left Guard all the way around the right side, such that the play looked every bit like a sweep right, but it wasn’t a sweep, Brees pulled the ball back, and with the safety having taken a step up, his receiver got behind the CB, and it was a TD. It was just such a smart, crisply run play, and watching us later, it seemed like a thousand miles from anything we do.

  30. There is a cloud of futility that has hung over sports in washington state since the beginning. Year after year its full of heartbreaking defeats, blowouts, or close but not good enough. lately its just been plain bad. How many of you watched the Husky game and starred at the wall in disbelief (again). Only hoping that the Hawks would make you feel better not worse if that was possible. I feel like its this way every weekend. If there is a worse sports market in America I would be suprised.

  31. Eric Williams:In shutout wins over St. Louis and Jacksonville it looked like pressure defense would carry them. However, the Seahawks have been unable to duplicate that effort against good teams.

    Good teams? You think Arizona has a good team? Yesterday the Seattle receiving corps was completely bamboozled by the second worse secondary in the entire league. They had those guys covered like blankets. Moreover their offensive front was completely dominated by what was, up until yesterday, one of the poorest pass rushes in the NFL.

    The Seahawks were out-coached, plain and simple. In fact, out-coached is an understatement. The Cardinals walked into that game knowing exactly what buttons they needed to push to take advantage of Seattle’s weaknesses (injury related or otherwise). The Seahawks, on the other hand, looked like they hadn’t even bothered to watch any Arizona game film at all. Then, when it became very clear early on that their initial game plan was a bust, they didn’t do anything all game long to adjust. I can’t believe they went into that game actually thinking they could challenge Kurt Warner with that weak cover-2 secondary. I can’t believe they don’t have a single coach in that spotters box who can pick out some holes in that Arizona secondary in the face of all those blitz packages. That was just one butt ugly effort any way you look at it.

    Some weeks we play well, some weeks we don’t,” Hasselbeck said. “You don’t know which team is going to show up.

    Well Matt, that’s because you’re winging it instead of winning it. Get used to it. Yes, you have too many injuries but that’s not the real problem with this team. Injuries aside you should have at least been competitive vs. Arizona. You went into that game unprepared and you got smoked as a consequence.

  32. pdway – great point. New Orleans has, arguably, one of the best sets of Guards in the NFL. They can do things like that. If the Saint coaches had tweedle-dee and tweedle-dumb as their guards, like we do (and Unger will), there’s no way they could make that play go. Good thing our GM values Guards so much.

  33. I now know what team to expect from week to week. I expect a team to win 30-0 when we play the Lions and Rams again. I expect us to look like a bunch of clowns when we play anyone good (hell, even if we play a team close to good we’re still going to probably get thumped). We’ll probably have one good game, and perhaps win, when we play someone good but that’ll probably be because that team, looking at the film, didn’t take us seriously.

  34. momocougs says:

    I usually blame coaches as a last resort, because players are the ones that have to make the plays. Yesterday, however, this team was truly outcoached. I cannot believe that Paul Allen let Tim Ruskell run Mike Holmgren out of town. We were all rooting for Jim Mora because of the hometown connections, but we have taken a HUGE step down with our coaching staff. It looks like a college staff out there, at best. I get the O-line thing, but I am sick of the injury excuse with this team…

  35. Oh, great…I guess this means our ranking will go down this week. LOL

  36. freedom_X says:

    For people who advocate “not going to games” as a fan protest, I have one name for you to think about:

    Seattle Supersonics.

  37. Dukeshire says:

    For those of you who feel the Cards aren’t a “good” team, what does that say about the Seahawks? The Cards D dominated every aspect of the ‘Hawks O by pressing the receiver, stacking the box and sacking Hass 5 times. The offense never once moved the ball into Arizona territory. Only by use of a fake punt did they cross the 50. Now, if this were a one time thing then I would agree that calling for Ruskell’s job would be premature but sadly it is not. Seattle is now 7-18 in it’s last 25, not including a blowout loss to Green Bay in ’07 playoffs and is not looking like that will change soon. As bright a the young D corps future is, the offense is in a terrible shambles. I’m sorry for those of you who do not see how inept they truly are on offense. It’s very basic: if you cannot block you cannot win. Injuries or not, this is the worst o line I can remember, ever. And I’ve been around since the beginning. What makes it all the worse, we all saw it coming.

  38. The words coming out of Mora’s mouth remind me of exactly the last thing I hear from an employee shortly before I terminate them.

    There is something about educated, well-compensated people trying to convince me their excuses for not succeeding are ‘reasons’ for not succeeding, that absolutely drives me nuts.

    Paul, time to part the curtain and reappear to correct the course for your franchise. Get Ruskell out and send message to the team that the status quo has not been nearly good enough. At the conclusion of the year get a real GM in here and let him start rebuilding this coaching staff and roster.

  39. Dukeshire says:

    Oh yes, I forgot to comment on that as well; not attending the games and not buying merchandise, like Nighthawk suggests, as a means for demanding a better team, is foolish. The appearance of apathy, is apathy. Make your feelings known by making calls to the Seahawks or writing letters or otherwise voicing your opinion is how one demands change. Not by meekly sitting on your hands as some manner of quiet protest, IMO.

  40. “As bright a the young D corps future is, the offense is in a terrible shambles. I’m sorry for those of you who do not see how inept they truly are on offense. It’s very basic: if you cannot block you cannot win. Injuries or not, this is the worst o line I can remember, ever. And I’ve been around since the beginning. What makes it all the worse, we all saw it coming”

    All true. I still like Hass, and I like our receivers, incl our TE. But our RB’s are below-average, and our line right now, is, as you said, as bad as it gets.

  41. badcat63 says:

    We still have 10, yes TEN games to play. They may not be beautiful to watch but we don’t have an option. Ruskell will be here till year end at least so try not to perceverate on him going till AFTER the season. We all get that many on this blog want him gone. Dead horse already.

    We also can all agree that the O side of the game has been neglected and it shows. O line, RB, quality QB back-up Hass future replacement all are needed. We know. That is what the ’09 draft and rebuilding will be about. But folks there are NO FA’s we can get to do much about it this year. NONE. So injuries or not we must play the hand we are dealt. We may well lose but that is the hand we are dealt. One can’t pick-up and leave the table in the middle of a bad hand. And there is no bluffing in the NFL.

    The injuries from what I see aren’t preventable. There are no known profalactic training tricks for torn pecs, knee injuries, back disc injuries, high ankle sprains etc. If there were NO NFL teaam would have them. Money can buy a lot of things but I don’t believe it can buy health in the NFL. If so Paul Allen would have one of the top 5 teams health wise.

    No this season is about developing our new O and D systems, coaches and players learning to work together as a Team whatever the score, and doing everything possible each game to win and to always grow. We may not win much but we must grow together as a Team and as an organization.

    And as a fan if the only metric is winning( and it is the most important metric in pro sports) this will be a piss poor season again. But as a true fan we should always root for the home Team the Seahawks. We all got very spoiled from 2004 – 2007 didn’t we? Remember all those years we didn’t even get close to the playoffs? I do. Injuries happen. But what we make of the worst situation is what marks the best in the individual players and the Team and the fans.

    I agree with Bobby K – don’t blow it all up, hang in there as true Seahawks fans. It has been bad before and for a few years it was really great. This is a bad spot but we will get better. One reason IS the 12th man and true Hawks fans. Stay loud and proud. We will weather this storm like many others, one player, one game at a time.

    GO SEAHAWKS

  42. Defensively the talent is there. They need to make other teams adjust to our personnel. As much as matching up with the offense’s player pacakages makes sense it often is a ruse to get you out of what you do best. Get our best on the field and create madness and mayhem for that offense and MAKE them adjust to you. Offensively they never found that rythym. Getting down so quickly by 14 didn’t help but that being said there was a lot of game to be played and running the ball still could have made sense to loosen things up an prevent them from putting their ears back and looking to meet at the QB. Regardless of who is on that line a defense that can focus primarily on the pass has the advantage. I remain optimistic that it will come together. Hopefully sooner rather than later. Lick our wounds and come out like a wild animal that has been backed into a corner.

  43. As Duke stated, many people on this blog saw this OL thing coming. But other than that, I have to totally disagree with “blowing this thing up” stuff from some of the other posts. Does that mean we “blow up” Mebane, Wilson, Carlson, Unger (he sucks now but he’s going to be good) Curry, Tatupu, Matt, etc.? I don’t want to blow them up. I want to keep them around here. They are good players and we do have some of those, as bad as yesterday was. Add Suh to the DL (assuming we keep losing and pick high enough), draft a franchise LT with the Denver pick, sign a Pro Bowl Guard (if any are available), and draft a RB in the 2nd round and we’re golden next year. Sign a couple of stopgap positions (like FS) and walla… kool aid for 2010.

  44. badcat63 says:

    Just for a little perspective, I believe this is the winningest active coach in the NFL who had the best W/L record in the regular season in ’08. S%#T can happen fast, even to the best folks.

    Titans | Fisher on the hot seat?
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    Jim Wyatt, of The Tennessean, reports Tennessee Titans owner Bud Adams said coaching is a big problem with the team’s 0-6 start and made no promises about the future of head coach Jeff Fisher beyond this season. However, Adams added he is not going to make any drastic changes during the season. “If we end up losing every game or don’t look better, I’d have to look at that pretty hard, you know what I mean?” Adams said. “The way it is going, I don’t know if we’ll win any games, and that is unheard of in the National Football League. Right now, it’s as bad as I’ve seen it, and that’s a long time. I’ve never had a team start out like this. We had the best record in the NFL last year. I can’t understand it.”

  45. seahawklovertoo says:

    Duke, since you’re the “in-house genius” on this blog and know it all , any suggestions about whom we should hire as our next GM and a coach? Retreads
    with SB wins will and can motivate/intimidate our players much more effectively
    than some new guy from the college ranks. Remember Spurier and Saban? Whom do you want? Charlie Weiss from ND? Do you think our players from ACC and Big12 will listen to that quack? Any assistant/coordinator that would like to come to us and make difference that you know off? What in the world is wrong with Andy Reed as a coach of the Seahawks? Yes, never won the SB but,he won more play-off games than Ruskell and Mora have brain cells. Him and Holmy are friends and would work together just fine.Why are you calling him a retread?
    See Duke, this comments are such a nonsense because you’re posting on company time and you are scared to get caught and fired… That is why all your blubber is polluting this
    blog
    I hate when some people just bitch and don’t offer any solutions. I rant and rant, but I always try to look for ways to solve problems.

  46. Dukeshire says:

    I have no idea what “blow it up” means. I really don’t. But this much I do know, Ruskell cannot be offered a new contract at year’s end. I see no evidence that he is capable of building in any efficient mannor. Whatever changes a new GM will make are up to him, most likely that means appropriately retaining Mora while having him make changes to his staff (Knapp, this hopefully means you). At least as far as most new GMs m.o. usually plays out.

  47. Every time Matt went back to pass it looked like the Cards rushed 10 and had 10 back in coverage. Every time Seattle tried to run it looked like the Cards had 12 in the box.

    Does Ruskell get any of this? Wait, I’m getting into Ruskells mind right now. He is already planning his next offseason O line moves:

    Jones is a pro bowl LT. He will be a year and a half removed from his micro surgery. In the slight chance that he won’t be 100% Locklear will be able to give 16 great games at LT and Willis can be the RT. No worries about center. Spencer was a first round pick so he will play like a pro bowler. Plus there is Unger and Vallos. Sims will be one guard and the other will be Wrotto or whoever doesn’t start at center.

    Of course there may be injuries. I know. I’ll pick up a Sept waiver 34 year old injury prone LT and then use a fifth round pick on a 287 pound guard who gets tossed around like Raggedy Andy but he will have upside. Yeah, that O line will be as good as 05.

  48. tillman:Paul, time to part the curtain and reappear to correct the course for your franchise. Get Ruskell out and send message to the team that the status quo has not been nearly good enough. At the conclusion of the year get a real GM in here and let him start rebuilding this coaching staff and roster.

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with their roster other than the fact that they’re all crippled up. Why they continue to get all crippled up all the time is a mystery. I suppose it could have something to do with the types of players they have on their team but I’m not so sure how one goes about evaluating such things before the fact.

    The coaching staff, on the other hand, is a horse of a different color. Going into this season I was very curious about how Mora and Knapp were going to utilize this offense. Neither of those guys has had what you would call “sparkling” coaching records but then neither has really had the QB and receiver quality that Seattle has at their disposal (well…. not entirely true in Knapp’s case. He had Garcia and a very good receiving corps in SF but that team was still very run oriented).

    My curiosity has been satisfied. In my view neither of those guys has passed the test. I think some of the things they come up with are very clever (especially with respect to the running game) but I don’t think they’ve made optimal use of that offense at all. A really good coaching staff would get a lot more production out of those guys in spite of the injury problems.

    I don’t think Casey Bradley is a very good defensive coordinator either. I suppose he’s just too inexperienced.

  49. Dukeshire says:

    First of all, whether I’m at work or not is none of your concern and I assure you I do not live in fear of being fired. That’s funny. Secondly, I never suggested bringing in a coach from the college ranks. Please point to where I even suggested that, ever. You cannot. My problem with posts like yours are that your argument boxes everyone else in. If anyone dares suggest that there are more than the handful of names you throw out, they are “polluting” this blog. I’m entitled to my opinions as are you. I have no problem with Andy Reid (not Reed) per se, but I do not think he is the only option, as you seem to. You want a list of names, by weeks end I’ll assemble a list of names and reasons why they could be successful here. But the majority of names you put out are indeed retreads, IMO. But for now what I do now is that I sincerely hope Ruskell is not resigned.

  50. seahawklovertoo:Duke, since you’re the “in-house genius” on this blog and know it all , any suggestions about whom we should hire as our next GM and a coach?

    Well I’m not Duke and I’m no genius but if I were a new owner looking for a coach I’d really look long and hard at hiring either Shanahan or Marty Schottenheimer. Both those guys are excellent coaches who were served very raw deals by their last employers. I don’t care about Schottenheimer’s playoff record. Playoffs are just too much of a dice roll in the NFL. He’s been very unlucky.

    What in the world is wrong with Andy Reed as a coach of the Seahawks?

    What makes you think Andy Reid wants to coach the Seahawks? I think he’d probably rather keep pounding away in Philadelphia until he finally wins a Superbowl. Maybe he’ll never win one in Philly but look at it from his point of view. He isn’t going to be any more likely to win one by going to Seattle than he would if he just stayed put.

  51. Instead of throwing other names out there, my first priority would be Mike Holmgren (I like Shanny too).

    I don’t mean to defend Knapp, but I don’t know of any of us who could call plays with our OL. If we call a run play, it’ll get blown up. If we call a pass, our QB will get killed. I don’t know what can be done with a line as bad as ours. Maybe just snap the ball in shotgun formation on every play and have Burleson and Forsett take turns pretending it’s a kick-off or something.

  52. Dukeshire says:

    I agree with you, to a point. Yes, I too can’t imagine what plays will have a strong measure of success with that line’s performance. In Hass’ presser after the game he said that they need to run “plays that we are great at and get great at them. If that makes any sense.” He was at a loss as to what those are. My issue with Knapp yesterday was this; Wiliams (and Vallos too) had an awful time yet he motioned Carlson AWAY from that pressure multiple times. Williams needed all the help he could get. That to me was baffling. Also, why were there so many passes to primary receivers running outs. Those take longer to develop and Hass already had no time to get set in the pocket. It seems like they could have run some quick slants over the LBs that were pressed up on the line. 3 steps and out. Oh well…

  53. “Offensively they never found that rythym. Getting down so quickly by 14 didn’t help but that being said there was a lot of game to be played and running the ball still could have made sense to loosen things up an prevent them from putting their ears back and looking to meet at the QB. ”

    That’s totally true – we were down 17-0 before we knew it – and as we now know, being in a must-pass situation from the early moments, was a worst case scenario with the overmatched O-Line we had out there.

    Re coaching – i’m a big opponent of mid-season coaching changes – i just don’t think they ever really help, and it’s the sign of a knee-jerk, panicky organization. I’m not in love with Mora either – but he definitely gets this season, and probably the next one too, unless things snowball, and it seems like the team has stopped playing for him.

    I don’t have as strong a feelings re Ruskell as many on this board, but yeah, if we are sub-.500 this year, which looks more likely than not, then he definitely hasn’t earned another year of employment.

  54. BobbyK:Instead of throwing other names out there, my first priority would be Mike Holmgren

    Yeah. You know Holmgren had injury problems just like this year’s team in 2006 and 2007 (especially 2006 when they were shuffling O-Linemen in and out, tither and yon all season long). He’s a very good coach and he proved it by being able to salvage those seasons. But you know, I think things start to get stale for a head coach when he stays in one place for a long time. I don’t think he was bounced as some people have opined. I think he just wanted to get out of there and do something different.

    I don’t mean to defend Knapp, but I don’t know of any of us who could call plays with our OL. If we call a run play, it’ll get blown up. If we call a pass, our QB will get killed. I don’t know what can be done with a line as bad as ours.

    Well, Arizona was bilitzing a lot. You usually combat that sort of thing with quick drops, some short crossing patterns, screens, maybe the odd draw play here and there. You go by what part of the field they’re leaving undefended by cheating so much. The Cardinals were bringing everybody up close to the line of scrimmage on every play (playing bump and run, I suppose, to help with the coverage since they were bringing people so often). I wish I had the benefit of whole field game films to see what was going on in that secondary a little better but alas I don’t even have the replay-less, whole field sight of a fan at the game. Nevertheless it did occur to me that some short look-in passes to Carlson could have walked the ball all the way down the field in 10-15 yard gulps the way Arizona was playing it, at least until they were forced back into a more honest posture. I don’t even think Seattle has a play like that in their arsenal. Or, if they do, I’ve never seen it. Never seeing it is definitely a possibility because I’ve developed a habit of switching channels to more interesting games.

  55. Dukeshire:Also, why were there so many passes to primary receivers running outs.

    Yeah, I found that very puzzling as well. It was like they were just hanging Matt out to dry out there. I chalked it up to too rigid a playbook and an inability to waver away from what you’ve got working for you. You run up against a good defensive game plan and you find you can’t adjust. Of course that’s just a guess. Who really knows besides the coaches themselves.

  56. pdway:Re coaching – i’m a big opponent of mid-season coaching changes – i just don’t think they ever really help, and it’s the sign of a knee-jerk, panicky organization. I’m not in love with Mora either – but he definitely gets this season, and probably the next one too, unless things snowball, and it seems like the team has stopped playing for him.

    Did somebody express the opinion that Seattle should fire their coaching staff? If so, I’m with you on this one. A coaching change at this point would be very premature and dumb.

    You know, I’ve been very critical of Mora and Knapp and I think they deserve a lot of criticism but they have had success together in the past. To back up a bit I do need to concede that Knapp’s strength has always be in the running game and this rash of injuries along the offensive line is not altogether dissimilar to Holmgren losing all of his receivers last year. The team has to play according the the coach’s style and when you cut out the heart of a coach’s particular offensive style like that it’s awfully hard to make things work properly.

    On the other hand the similarities between the two situations kind of start to get lost a little bit when you examine them a little more closely. There’s no way that Holmgren had the weapons last year to switch to a run oriented offense. Mora and Knapp do have the weapons for a vertical, one dimensional passing attack. I just don’t think they know how to use them.

  57. bulldog80 says:

    You know guys, as pissed off that I am about this incosistent bs we’re blessed with a crappy division. As poor as our record is, we’re only one game out of the division lead. Most likely the Giants will stomp the crap out of the Cards and I think the Texans will beat the niners too. So, we’ll still be solidly in the divsion race. I think it’ll go right down to the last one or two games of the season.

    My confidence in the coaching staff is at an all time low, BUT, if they can get it together and get some body’s back I honestly think we can take this division. I know, I know, all three phases of our team suck right now, but I have hope that they pull they’re heads out of their azzes. I have to hope that, it’s too early to start thinking about next season already.

  58. “My confidence in the coaching staff is at an all time low, BUT, if they can get it together and get some body’s back I honestly think we can take this division. I know, I know, all three phases of our team suck right now”

    I know i may be being a bit of a homer here – but i’m actually pretty encouraged by our defense the past couple games. and it will only get better with Hill and Trufant coming back. Despite the 27 points, given that all but 7 of them were the result of turnovers and very favorable field position for the Casrds, I thought our D played well yesterday. I’m esp encouraged that we finally seem to have the personnel to put some pressure on the QB.

    Offense was a disaster yesterday – but i’m trying to remain optimistic that the return of the injured lineman will help.

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