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Colts 34, Seahawks 17 — Postgame analysis/rant thread

Post by Ryan Divish on Oct. 4, 2009 at 1:07 pm with 54 Comments »
October 4, 2009 1:09 pm
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Well, in a word to describe the game — craptastic. Yes, the score doesn’t seem awful. ButI think for those who watched, the game felt like a blowout for most of it.

The Seahawks looked inept at times with a myriad of penalties, crushing the few moments of solid play and rhythm.

And judging from the game chat, not many of you are pleased with the play of Seneca Wallace. But I’d be surprised if Matt Hasselbeck is ready to play against the Jags.

To me, it was clearly obvious that the Colts are vastly better than the Seahawks, at least the current form of them. Maybe with everyone healthy they could compete. Maybe.

So go ahead and rant away. Offer your thoughts and analysis. Just keep them clean or they will get deleted

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  1. It was a massacre, scoreboard shows nothing, Colts should have scored at least sixty points -.-‘

  2. IBGoofy says:

    Good summary Ryan…. unfortunatly!!! LOL…

  3. krieg17 says:

    I think we said it already

  4. Dukeshire says:

    What I’m most bothered by is the defensive play calling. Perhaps nothing can slow down Manning, at this point. But to play the LBs so far off the line and what amounts to a prevent in the secondary is baffling to me. When they brought pressure, just one blitzer in some cases, they had a success. To willingly chose to give Manning the soft 15 yard under for the majority of the game, well you never gave your team a chance. Being down Tru and Wilson should have nothing to do with it. They rushed just 4 and dropped everyone else into medium / deep zone and got carved up. I thought this D was going to be aggressive? “relentless pressure” Um, I guess not. It was a cowardly scheme, to me. And one that was designed to fail from the outset. This team was afraid they would get whipped, and that’s just what happened. They changed their entire defensive play calling (those wristbands) out of fear. If they lost like that today playing aggressively and attacking, I can live with that. Manning is the best in football. But this? This game was lost before the teams took the field.

  5. Somewhere John Marshall is laughing. And then he realizes he’s with Oakland and has another drink.

    Duke – maybe the reason for the horrific defensive playcalling is because Mora expects to play them in the Super Bowl and didn’t want to give anything away today.

    One thing that bothered me was the looks of the players on the sideline in the first half. They had already lost. Given up. No passion. One thing Mora promised at his press conference was passion. I know injuries take a major toll, but he didn’t promise that he’d have a team that played with passion unless we had major injury issues. He promised passion regardless. I am very troubled that in two weeks he has thrown a single player under the bus and then his players looked lost. I know they kept trying on the field (it’s not like they will just stand there) but the will and passion was NOT there on the sidelines. And how the hell can we be so sloppy to have all these penalties? Part of the reason for many of these calls is the fact that we’re making them. If a ref sees a hold, he’ll normall call it (unless it’s Lock and it’s the SB and will proceed to ignore the off-sides that made the “hold” necessary).

    I am one very frustrated fan, as are most of you.

  6. i thought this very close game came down to the wire.

  7. IBGoofy says:

    Anyone aware of an injury report??? Getting “Out of Dodge” without a major injury would be a big plus at this point…

    This was an unlikely win in any scenario…. so be it…. Our real season starts next week….

  8. seahawklovertoo says:

    This FO( read: Ruskell), all of the (lousy )coaches and the (“best in the business”- what a BS)
    trainer staff ALL got to go !!! FIRED !!! They are worthless. As for Seneca, all he cares about are his stats. That is it ! He’d care less about the team, the Seahawks or, Seattle fans….Inept, ignorant, incompetent midget who hopes that somebody else will pick him up after we dump him and he scores a pay-check. Even in this game his stats turned out to be palatable (after he lost the game). What a joke, AND EVERYONE THAT SUPPORTS HIM.

  9. AKhawkFan says:

    It seemed to me the only person on defense that was even trying was Lucas. Mebane got “pressure” once, where was Kerney? Herring looked lost for most of the game. Curry did okay. The whole game was just sad. Furthermore, if the Colts are supposedly an “offensive team, why the hell couldn’t we move the ball? Wallace looked awful. 1 million check downs. We came in thinking we would have one of the best WR cores in the NFL. Well for being so damn good I didn’t see them open all too often.

    I don’t want to give up on the season just yet, but good gravy we need a lot of help.

  10. TJ looked really unhappy, like he was missing Cincinnati big time……………..

  11. seahawklovertoo says:

    You know guys? Our players are OK (minus Seneca). If we had Shanahan, Cowher or Dungy as coaches, we would have won at least one ,or two more games with what we have now on the roster. It is all about Ruskell, Mora and his morons of coaching staff.

  12. DisplacedSeahawkFan says:

    I’m really unimpressed with Mora, specifically his play calling. It seems that our defense is best when it gets pressure on the quarterback, but for some reason Mora didn’t bitz much. When we did get solid pressure on Manning he threw incomplete passes.

    Secondly, Wallace had an o.k., game. I think he’s a good quarterback but he’s not much of a leader. His demeanor on the sideline seemed to affect the entire team. But then so did Moras.

    Mora displayed no emotion and seemed all to ready to accept a loss today. I know were only a quarter through the season, and injuries are our bane right now, but so is Mora. I’ll reserve judgement until the end of the season, but right now I don’t think he’s fit to be our defensive coordinator, let alone our head coach. Thank God he only got a two year contract.

  13. bbjinx13 says:

    I agree with Dukeshire. There could have been more pressure put on Manning. If you’re going to go down, go down swinging.
    My big issue is with Wallace. When o’ when are we going to give up on this guy. A basic aspect of being a QB is being aware of what’s happening all over the field. This guy has no idea of where he is most of the time. Today he threw a pass after he crossed the line of scrimmage, laid down for two sacks that could have been avoided if he had just looked over his shoulder and got the ball knocked out of his hand from behind when he could have easily ran for the first down.
    He’s just terrible. I’d rather watch a rookie fumble around the field then someone who’s been around long enough to know better.

  14. oceanic says:

    Despite poor pass protection Seneca completed 73% of his passes, threw a TD, no picks and ran one in from seven yards. He wasn’t the problem.

    The Seahawks O line play was bad. On defense, Duke made a very valid point on the scheme the Hawks used.

  15. BobbyAyala says:

    Until the offensive line is fixed, this team will continue to be snuggle fresh soft.

    It’s so obvious that ever since Hutchinson left, the team has been on a steady decline.

    Spencer and Sims are borderline busts, Locklear is soft, Willis is green, Vallos and Wrotto are backups at best. Unger appears to be the bright spot, and that’s far too little too late to save Ruskell’s reputation as the destruction of this unit.

    Clean up your mess or take your butt back to Tampa.

  16. pabuwal says:

    I’m actually very pleased with the outcome of this game. Keeping it under 20 in Indy against one of the great QBs of all time was a great accomplishment for a team with such woeful talent.

    This Defense is no good, maybe even talentless. We’ve watched this very same defense play poorly for 3 years (in 2007 any decent offense killed them) under 2 different coordinators. There isn’t much else to say – these players just aren’t good. They were only missing 2 starters out there, less than the Colts Defense.

    At 5-16 in the last 21 games, we are right in the middle of a Tom Flores-esq run. I thought Senecca Wallace was Stan Gelbaugh at times. For the Seahawks to depend on a QB (Hasselbeck) who has only started all 16 games 3 times and who took just 6 quarters to get hurt (again), was beyond ridiculous. And he looked very shaky for half the time he played.

  17. Dukeshire says:

    Bobby – You make a good point, I hadn’t thought about that. Well, when they face them in the Super Bowl, Manning will be caught totally off guard when the ‘Hawks show a 4-3 press that morphs into a 3-3 over 2 pre-snap that results into an interception or hurry or sack or some such. You know, the stuff we saw them working on in preseason before they decided to shelve it as soon as the regular season began.

    And the penalties are very disturbing, you’re right there as well. There is no reason for those except discipline, or lack thereof.

  18. DisplacedSeahawkFan says:

    I don’t understand why everyone is hating on Wallace. He’s not terrible. He was 33/45 with a rushing touchdown and a passing touchdown. The turnovers he caused, two forced fumbles, weren’t really his fault: people got to him from behind because our o-line is patchwork. He didn’t take many shots downfield, but I have a feeling he was never meant to.

    He’s a backup quarterback, and a solid one at that. The only thing that I fault is his leadership skills. When Hasslebeck takes the field there’s an energy/leadership that Wallace can’t duplicate. Our offense plays off of him, and our defense plays best when the offense does well. Wallace doesn’t have that energy/leadership, but he does have a skill set good enough to back him up.

    I think that Wallace did what he was supposed to do. Untimely penalities and bad defensive play calling is why we lost today. I still cant believe that as good as our defense on paper is, we gave up touchdowns on 3 out of 4 of the Colts first possessions. Again, I blame Mora and the terrible defensive play calling for our loss today.

  19. BobbyAyala says:

    It’s not about Seneca, it’s about the line. We have a waiver wire pickup as our starting left tackle for christ’s sake.

  20. While I agree we were both outplayed and outcoached, I haven’t heard anywhere that Seneca is concerned with his stats. I quit watching at halftime, but I saw him scrambling for his life more often than not. Too many checkdowns? That would be because of little time and receivers not getting open. I don’t think he’s a legit starter, but better than a number of starters that I could name.

    Further, he doesn’t play defense. Every pass I saw Payton throw, the receiver was wide open and Manning had all the time he needed.

    Plenty of blame to go around, but there are a lot of people that did their jobs worse.

  21. nighthawk2 says:

    Seneca Wallace was very much part of the problem. I’ve defended him before, but this, after last week’s pathetic effort, is indefensible. He needs to go. But so does Ruskell and Mora’s crew. This team was totally unprepared to play. We don’t need a cheerleader for a coach, we need a guy (and a staff) that has the team prepared for a game, and this team wasn’t. Mora stood up last week, publicly pointed the finger at one guy and blamed him solely for the loss. He needs to man up today and point the finger at himself and take responsibility for this loss, because it’s on him. Throw yourself under the bus on this one Mora.

  22. klthompson says:

    Disgusting.

  23. pabuwal says:

    Guys, you can’t look at the % completion alone when evaluating Wallace. His Yards Per Attempt tell the story. 7 is the minimum for a passable effort. He is generally in the 5s. His passes are often 5 yard dump passes. You don’t win when your QB can’t get the ball down the field consistently.

    Of course, don’t forget he refuses to throw the ball away to save yards. He’d rather lose yards than hurt the completion %.

    Regarding the pressure, most of the pressure is pressure HE creates. The big holding call by Willis was all on Wallace. He lacks awareness and pocket poise.

  24. devisscher says:

    Can’t say I’m surprised. At least we’ll get a new management after the season.

    I’m wondering how everybody is rating the draft en FA now…

  25. Dukeshire says:

    This team has massive holes, to be sure but Seneca was terrible today (again). His numbers taken only on the surface are entirely misleading. Both the TD pass and rushing TD were in the 4th after this game had been over for the better part of 2 hours. His completion ratio was inflated after the Colts went into a nickel / prevent. But his lack of pocket awareness (that includes the fumbles), lack of poise, questionable decision making and complete lack of leadership have nothing to do with the Colts or a “patch work” line. He is an elite athlete that is also a terrible quarterback, and I too have defended as “solid” to his detractors, for years. His mistakes are baffling for a 6+ year vet.

  26. CyberCowboy777 says:

    You got it Pabuwal!

    The numbers tell the story:

    Fumbles FUM LOST REC YDS
    S. Wallace 2 2 0 0

    Total Rushing/Passing Plays (includes Sacks) 69
    Average Gain per Offensive Play 4.0
    Average Gain per Rushing Play 2.6
    Average Gain per Passing Play (includes Sacks) 4.6
    Times Sacked (Number-Yards) 5 – 27

    And the Colts?

    Fumbles FUM LOST REC YDS
    D. Brown 1 0 0 0

    Total Rushing/Passing Plays (includes Sacks) 63
    Average Gain per Offensive Play 6.8
    Average Gain per Rushing Play 3.5
    Average Gain per Passing Play (includes Sacks) 8.6
    Times Sacked (Number-Yards) 0 – 0

    Can anyone tell me how many yards you need to Move the Chains? I think it is ten.

  27. Biggest thing I’ll agree with in these observations is just how defeated the Hawks looked after about 1 1/2 quarters. I didn’t expect to win this one – but with the offense so down w/injuries, I was hoping for some spark of some kind from our defense and we got absolutely none. We need leaders on the team (and maybe Matt being hurt is the biggest thing here), but I didn’t see anyone getting angry out there. I look for this from Lofa, or Kerney, or someone on defense, and I just don’t see it.

    Not going to defend Seneca today, though I still think he’s just fine as a back-up, just not starting QB material.

    They better win next week ..

  28. DisplacedSeahawkFan says:

    I could be wrong, but isint yards per attempt more the design of the the O-coordinator, and the plays he calls, rather than the quarterback? That is to say, if all, or most, of the plays being called require receivers to run short routes how is a low yards per attempt number the quarterbacks fault? I believe that Knapp called short yardage plays to accomodate Wallace. But that’s not Wallace’s fault, Knapp needs to losen the reigns Wallace.

    I only saw Wallace attempt two deep passes; he missed but that doesn’t mean the O-coordinator should eliminate deep pass plays from the playbook all together just because Wallace is in. Moreover, our O-line gave up two sacks today, and required Wallace to scramble more than three times because the protection was poor. I believe if our O-line gives Wallace enough time he could complete longer passes. Wallace does need to step up, but so does the O-line, and the O-coordinator. .

  29. BobbyAyala says:

    I agree on the leadership slam of Wallace.

    He doesn’t show any internal fire, and it appears that he can’t inspire his teammates either. I just wish the Hawks would give up on him as a leader and start using him as a weapon. Atwaan Randle El was a college QB too, but he made his name and earned a big payday by exploiting his talent as an athlete in the NFL.

    Wallace can play until he is 42 as a backup QB, and more power to him, but this team would be better served to use him in a different role.

    Make Teel as the backup and draft a QB with Denver’s pick.

  30. CyberCowboy777 says:

    DisplacedSeahawkFan – rarely is here only one option during a passing down. Wallace hits his check down very well, for ~4.6 yards.

    pdway – The Colts were ranked 21st in rushing defense allowing an average of 4.3 yard per carry.

    We averaged 2.6 today.

    The Jags are ranked 14th in rushing ‘D…

  31. pabuwal says:

    The low YPA was a big issue in most of Wallace’s games last year and in 2006. The coordinator was Gill Haskell. Teams without great defenses almost never win when a QBs YPA is below 6.

    Wallace creates his own pressure and puts the OL in situations where they commit penalties. He also seems to have a hard time understanding he needs to take hits in the pocket to buy his WRs that extra second to get open. Instead he abandons ship and all hell breaks lose.

  32. BobbyAyala says:

    pabuwal — So, none of it has to do with the atrocious line play? It’s all on Seneca? That’s hogwash. That o-line is a patchwork of a subpar product to begin with.

  33. BobbyAyala says:

    When Willis tackles a defensive end that just burned him, it’s not because Seneca rolls out of the pocket.

  34. CyberCowboy777 says:

    BobbyAyala

    The oline is BAD… as the rushing average shows. But Wallace makes things worse. With no fear of the 10+ yard play the defense just pins its ears back for the short yardage plays (passing and rushing).

  35. MadSweeney42 says:

    For those of you who think Seneca’s stats (most of which were garbage time stats underneath deeper coverage) make him “not the problem” all I can say is I think you’re dead wrong. He doesn’t make presnap adjustments, makes bad throws to easy open targets, bolts out of the pocket at the first sign of pressure, makes bad decisions on the run like waiting til he was past the LOS to hit wide open TJ or underthrowing to the inside a streaking Butler etc…

    He also, as touched on before, has no leadership skills. If you compared a shot of him at the kickoff to a shot of him in the 4th quarter you’d see the exact same expression, demeanor and lack of enthusiasm. He was like that last week as well. Even on his scramble for the TD he loped along half assing it to the endzone. He looked like someone peed in his Wheaties all game last week and this week. I thought he did a good job last year with shite for receivers but whatever’s different with him this year is enough to bench him. Two and a half games of crap from him is enough. The rookie can’t do worse.

    Now, if anyone else on the field was showing any heart then I’d say Wallace was an insult to them. Fortunately, no one else seemed to care. Maybe that comes back to Seneca. If your QB acts and looks like he doesn’t want to be there or like he’s already lost, why the hell should anyone else care?

    Mora is thus far a terrible coach with an undisciplined and unenthusiastic team. I know he’s dealing with injuries but the team did not look ready to play today or against SF and they blew their opportunities to beat the Bears in spite of the bad officiating. But hey, at least he didn’t challenge something so ridiculously obvious this week, so maybe there’s hope. If that’s hope, then I vote for change.

  36. freedom_X says:

    I completely agree about the line. Seneca Wallace is a safe conservative QB, who (especially if reined in from running) will not make many big plays. But he won’t turn it over much either. He’s no starter, but he’s a competent backup. Most backups show far worse than he (take a look at Cleveland.)

    But imagine a less mobile QB behind that line. If I were big enough not to get bull-rushed by Dwight Freeney, I could have blocked him as well as Seattle did. Because Freeney just decided what direction he wanted to rush in and went around his man at will. All his blocker generally did was keep Freeney from going in a straight line, and maybe gave Seneca an extra second compared to being totally unblocked.

    If a less mobile QB were there, that didn’t take care of the ball, Indy would have had 10 sacks, and more than 2 fumble recoveries. When Matt has bad protection, he doesn’t show a whole lot more than Seneca most of the time.

    If the line played better, the running game would have been better. Bottom line – Wallace is not going to win games for Seattle, but he’s not going to lose them either. If Seattle had a solid defense and decent line, he’d get them by. But Wallace isn’t going to make up for bad defense and horrid blocking.

    It’s just Seneca’s bad luck that when he has to fill in for Matt, it’s not just Matt that is hurt, but the whole O-line, and team for that matter.

    Where my patience is really running thin with Ruskell is the continuing mediocrity of the defense. With all the money, picks, and effort devoted there, it simply is terrible. There are injuries there, but the defense has only been decent twice in all of Ruskell’s reign, and those two were still not elite defenses. They were helped by superior offenses masking some of their sins.

    Finally, it’s cool to see the screen pass come back to the Seattle offense, but it sometimes seems like that’s all there is now…

  37. We all know the OL is bad. We knew this in the off-season. We know it now. Injuries or not, we knew we weren’t good up front.

    Remember last year before Walt got hurt? He was the best LT in the NFL and our OL still sucked. And now we’re amazed that our OL sucks and the only thing we did to make it better was to draft one player in the middle of the second round?

    At least if Ruskell is run out of town and a new guy comes in… there’s no way we’ll have to go through more of Sims, Spencer, etc. And even though Sims has vastly improved, he’s still not a good NFL player. He just doesn’t suck as bad as he used to. He’s playing well for his standards, but that’s not saying much (and I know he’s not 100%).

    I think Unger is going to be a good player, but it’s not going to be this year. I still think he’s a center and should be our center. I also think some of us (myself included) have been overly optimistic about him for THIS year because we want him to be good NOW. Well, he’s a rookie. He’s not good right NOW. He will be okay, but not for ’09. I expect him to be an above average C in ’10 though.

    I could go off about our center position, but I’m so sick of saying the same thing all the time and I could puke.

    Basically, our ENTIRE middle of our offensive line is bad by NFL standards. And we wonder why our OL sucks?

    While I like Willis at RT, his miscues sure as heck hurt today.

    And while Lock isn’t great at LT, he’s still fine. But he’s not a cornerstone guy that you look to run behind in a crucial situation (or are willing to allow go one-on-one with a pass rusher like Freeney, Osi, Jared Allen, etc. so you can free others up to do whatever). Without Walt, our starting tackles are average to below average. I thought Frye did very well at LT last week, but today he played like a guy who had been released and picked up off the street and plugged in the lineup.

    Concerning Seneca: he’s got some good and bad in him, but that guy is one of the dumbest crucial decision makers I have seen. He’ll get outside and make a great play and then he’ll do something stupid that just makes you want to scream. It’s not like this guy hasn’t played in any regular season games before. There are many to choose from, but the play that pissed me off the most was when he rolled out on 3rd down near midfield. He ran out of bounds instead of chucking the ball up for grabs around the 10 yard line. Lets see, if Indy picks it off it’s just like a punt inside the 10, which is good (good for the Hawks, bad for Seneca’s stats). If he completes it — great! Instead, he’s so damn situationally stupid that I could scream.

  38. azhawkman says:

    The decision of today’s game was made at the line of scrimmage…obviously we lost on both sides of the ball. The OL is dreadful…false starts, holding, missed blocks. No wonder Seneca was sacked 5 times and lost 2 fumbles. We were also tackled for loss 6 times, making 11 negative yardage plays. While at the same time we got 0 sacks and 0 TFL on Indy’s O. You cannot compete against a team like that without a pass rush and getting them in 3 and long situations. Getting Hasselbeck back in will help but it won’t do much good if he has no time to throw. We need health on the O-Line desperately. Are there any free agents available? I think I might be able to be a better left tackle than Frye.

  39. In a side note, each time I had to take a leak the last two days (Fri & Sat) I had to go stare at a picture of Steve Hutchinson. He, Allen, Williams, and Henderson are all over in the Metrodome and bathroom stools. It was some stupid poster about them being a line of defense and since those guys are some of the most powerful in the trenches in the NFL… that’s what the poster is about. It’s easier for you guys to bury Hutch in your minds, but when he’s here and he’s a dominant force on the interior OL, an entire group of players in which ALL of ours suck, it really pisses me off (literaly). At least the Twins beat up on the Royals and have forced a 1-game play-off for Tuesdaynight so at least there’s something to be excited about at the moment.

  40. MadSweeney42 says:

    freedom- Wallace DID lose a game for us. While there were many factors, his bonehead interception deep in our own end was devastating.

    If he were less mobile, maybe he would step up into the poscket and take the hit to complete a pass. Or maybe once in a while call a hot route to take advantage of the pass rush. The Indy DBs are not very good but Wallace couldn’t get the ball to them even when there was time (not counting garbage time). If a team’s backup QB after 6 years can’t audible then he’s dead weight. Although there are plenty of problems on the team that need fixing, as long as Hass is out Wallace is the primary problem and the time has come to pass on him.

  41. nighthawk2 says:

    What I hope happens in the offseason, because it can’t be fixed this season, is that we get a good left tackle in the draft, such as Russell Okung or Brian Bulaga, move Locklear back to the right side, and move Willis to guard where his good run blocking skills can be best utilized. With Unger at either center or the other guard spot (and I’d prefer a replacement for Sims) our starting line talent would be significantly improved and it would be a matter of obtaining more talented reserves in free agency and the later rounds of the draft (a interior guy or tackle on day two).

    I’m wondering how much of a personnel base we have on hand if the decision was made after the season to move to a 3-4 scheme, and how much would need to be done to add a few guys to implement that defense. Kerney would seem to be gone next year unless his contract is prohibitive on that. Mebane, Cole, Bryant, Redding, Jackson and Bennett look like they could work on a 3 man front, with Tapp and Reed candidates for the outside rush position.

  42. “Where my patience is really running thin with Ruskell is the continuing mediocrity of the defense. With all the money, picks, and effort devoted there, it simply is terrible. There are injuries there, but the defense has only been decent twice in all of Ruskell’s reign, and those two were still not elite defenses. They were helped by superior offenses masking some of their sins”

    Agree. We’ve spent a lot of picks and money, as you said, and while Manning is Manning, it would sure seem that with all this focus, we’d see some improvement by now.

    Frye sure looked like an off-the-street guy today – he was getting killed. You realize why LT’s get the big bucks, when they’re a weak leak, your QB is dead meat. Willis wasn’t much better – though I maintain that the 2nd holding call on him (which was a killer, as we had it at about the 8) was completely bogus. Not that it would have changed anything.

    As I said earlier, with our starting QB out, and our OL a complete mishmash of 2nd and 3rd stringers, I didn’t expect to be able to keep up with Indy’s offense today. But i really would have liked to see something from our D. Disappointing.

  43. I think Mebane and Jackson would be very good DEs in a 3-4 defense. I don’t think Cole or Bryant are good enough to play NT in a 3-4 though. You really need a Casey Hampton type of big, powerful player if they are going to be in charge of eating up the middlle all by themselves. I like Cole, but I have my doubts he’d be good enough for it. And I certainly don’t see Red Bryant as being a good enough NT either.

    Personally, I’m not against going LT with our 1st pick and LG with our second 1st rounder. Our OL sucks so badly (insert broken fricking record from ’06, ’07, ’08, and now concerning our pathetic OL) that something DRASTIC needs to be done or we’re going to continue being terrible. I don’t know who is who at LT and LG and don’t want to reach for a player… but it would be nice to get two guys (LT/LG) and add them to Unger and then have an OL that would be together for over 10 years (at least 3 of the 5 would be together for a decade).

  44. toymaker says:

    Well, after all that’s been said, I’ll throw in my 4 words…

    Stupid Penalties

    No Heart

  45. mccullom says:

    Seneca Wallace is so overrated. The athleticism that is supposed to make him ‘special’ are never on display. Without him using his speed, he is very average at best. Combine that with a banged up offensive line and the offense is really horrible. It’s unfortunate because he has better weapons than most QBs in the NFL. We’ve watched Seneca play extensively over the past several season and it never has and probably never will happen for him. It’s time to start grooming QBs of the future quickly because the position is one of the weak spots of the team right now.

  46. nighthawk2 says:

    No, I don’t want to reach for a guy either. Looks like Russell Okung (Oklahoma State) and Brian Bulaga (a junior at Iowa) are the top two rated left tackles. Some guys like Trent Williams at Oklahoma and Ciron Black at LSU seem to be projected as right tackles in the NFL or even guard (in Black’s case).

  47. I defended the heart of this team after the San Fran game. There’s no way I can defend its heart after today.

    I’d love for our three first day picks next year to be a combination of LT, LG, and RB. I know there are holes on the defense, but are any of you pissed off that most of our resources have gone to defense in the Ruskell era and to still have a sh!tty defense? It’s time to give the offense a little love if the defense is going to suck no matter what anyways.

  48. ratman44 says:

    The Broncos are 4-0, that second first rounder is sliding down the draft board pretty far. I see at least 4 teams that have 0 shot of winning 3 games let alone 4.

    Rams, Bucs, Browns, and KC. Washington looks dreadful, Detroit ,might have 2 more win in them at most.

  49. nightwulf says:

    “Shame and eternal shame. Nothing but shame”
    Henry V, Act IV scene V

  50. nidhighe says:

    Once again. some of you place too much blame on Seneca Wallace. As a backup QB, he needs help from the running game and defense. He’s not capable of winning a game on his own. Unfortunately, the running game and defense seem to be AWOL.

  51. DisplacedSeahawkFan says:

    O.k., it’s the A.M., in my time zone, so I guess I get to play Monday Morning quarterback first. As he’ll probably start again Sunday, what’s most on my mind is Senaca Wallace. My opinion of him is slightly altered. Right now, because of our O-line, Wallace is not a dynamic, big play, quarterback by design.

    I think that the coaching staff is forcing Wallace to play conservatively because they can’t risk him getting hurt. Big plays take time to develop. It’s not worth having Wallace wait in the pocket, or risk a big a hit, given our injury depleted O-line, and our depth at quarterback. This was not a game we had to win, so why risk Wallace unneccesarily? I think that that was the game plan, and that’s why Wallace looked so dejected and resigned on the sideline during the game.

    If Wallace gets hurt we only have one option, a true rookie, left at quarterback. How good would Teel have been yesterday playing behind the same scrap O-line as Wallace? Under the circumstances, at this stage in his development, I believe that Teel would get hurt staying in the pocket, or trying to scramble out a broken pocket. Then who plays quarterback?

    The season is 1/4 over, so we have to start winning games. Hasslebeck isint going to start next week, that pretty much a given. Hopefully our O-line will be healthier, which will give the coaching staff, and Wallace, more confidence in opening up the play book.

    For all the Wallace haters who claim that he makes dumb plays, or always goes for the short route guy, or doesn’t wait for plays develop, how do you know what Wallace sees?

    I wish we had the ability to see what the quarterback sees on every play, because every time the announcers analyzied a play the receivers were covered. Really, what the announcers say, and what the camera guys–who mainly just follow the ball, say, is all I have to go by. Aganist the Colts, atleast, I did not once hear that Wallace missed a wide open receiver. Did anyone else? I think that’s a credit to Wallace.

    Lastly, Mora, his play calling, and our defense in general, sucks. I watched the pre-season games and I saw 3-3 defenses, and I swear once I heard someone say that we were in a 4-4. Are injuries why Mora and the defense is less than mediocre now?

  52. “I did not once hear that Wallace missed a wide open receiver. Did anyone else? I think that’s a credit to Wallace. ”

    That is SO ridiculously wrong in so many ways! It is EXPECTED that QBs dont consistently MISS wide OPEN receivers. He should get NO credit for doing the basics. He should be DISCREDITED for again running out of bounds for a loss instead of throwing it away AND, I saw him miss at LEAST 3 WIDE OPEN receivers including a pass that bounced to Housh. The guy cannot hit an open receiver if his life depended on it.

    z.

  53. fivecardstud says:

    Matt seems to spend a lot of time injured. I don’t know if maybe he wants to leave the Hawks now with his mentor (Mike Holmgren) gone or if he is just getting frail in his old age but something needs to be done about it. Seneca is a good QB but thats all he will ever be is good not grea. We maybe need to sttart our other QB or look for another one especially if Matt has decided to remain a sideline fixture.

  54. klthompson says:

    I noticed that the crowd was very quiet when the Colts were on offense which helped Manning with his verbal adjustments. Having said that, the Seahawks absoulutely have to get another quarterback with some experience and talent. Hasselbeck is too fragile to play at this level anymore. Wallace would be more than good at wide receiver. There was obviously something terribly wrong with the new defenseive approach. The Hawks were far worse than the score would indicate.

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