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Morning links: Arizona DB is Hawks’ menace

Post by Eric Williams on Jan. 30, 2009 at 11:28 am with 24 Comments »
January 30, 2009 11:28 am

I just got back from NFL Commissoner Roger Goodell’s state of the league meeting today and will have a wrap-up of some of the issues discussed during the hourlong question-and-answer session. For now, I’ll provide some links from some of the things I found interesting happening around the league.

Here are my two stories in today’s sports section, a feature on Arizona Cardinals cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, who victimized Seattle for three picks during the season, and a profile on ex-Husky cornerback Ray Horton, now going for his third Super Bowl ring as a defensive backs coach for the Steelers.

ESPN’s Mike Sando has the salary values for 2009 franchise players released by the NFL Players Association.

Baltimore linebacker Terrell Suggs, who will be an unrestricted free agent in about a month, said he might offer the Ravens a hometown discount.

Tennessee Titans defensive tackle Albert Haynseworth, who also will be an unrestricted free agent, said he will not be following in Suggs footsteps.

Former Seahawks offensive coordinator and current Cincinnati offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski said the Steelers personnel for its 3-4 front is the best he’s ever seen.

Here are some celebrity picks for the Super Bowl.

And here’s what the experts think.

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  1. When Hass was on NFLN he was speaking highly of the guy and said Rodgers-Cromartie was the best DB in this game. Then Eisen says something like, ” Word just came in that 3 of his picks was against you.” Haha

  2. Dukeshire says:

    $8,304,000 There you go. That’s what it will cost to keep Hill (per Sando) if they franchise him (perhaps a bit less if the apply the non-exclusive tag) but that’s the gist. That’s a lot a cash but if they can’t work out a deal in the next 4 weeks, I don’t see any way around it. I don’t believe the Seahawks are prepared to let him walk.

  3. Good point, as I don’t think they should. Dukeshire, I’m interested to hear your thoughts
    on his brush with the law last week. Would you prefer we keep him? Do you think it’ll
    impact Timmay’s decision to re-sign him?

  4. CeaYoung says:

    I like Cromartie and his skill set. That said… there’s a trend that’s been popping up in
    my head over and over the last few weeks. I pose the question…

    What was one of the most prominent common factors of the 4 teams vying for the
    superbowl? I’ll give you a second…


    Ok… each have GREAT, DOMINANT Safety play:

    Eagles – Dawkins
    Baltimore – Reed
    Pitt – Troy Peezy (I’m not attempting that one)
    Cards – Adrian Wilson and his 6ft hops

    I think this is absolutely key to their success. With Mays returning to USC I think the
    next closest thing to possibly help the Seahawks right now in this draft would be
    Michael Jenkins. No.. he’s not a safety but his physical play at the line and recover
    speed will take a lot of the pressure off of our decent and not-so-good safeties.

    Jenkins is big, strong, and fast. He has the strength to bump a guy like Fitz or Boldin
    off the line and dismantle their routes. If they get by he has the speed to run with them.

    I know I’ve been a huge Crabtree guy but I’m starting to lean more towards really solidifying
    the Seahawks defense. Not many teams threw at Tru… now add a shut down
    dimension to the other side. SICK!

    Grab a Robiski and another safety in the 2nd or 3rd round and I think we’re dealing.


  5. Not bad points CeaYoung. Most of the move Jenkins to Safety talk also involves him running a less than impressive 40 at the combine and consequently sliding back to the mid to late first round. Top five corner backs should be opening day NFL shutdown corners, not corner-safety tweeners who might work in 2 deep zone scheme or in a move to safety. I am all for drafting Jenkins if he tests well enough to be a man coverage corner, if he projects as a safety then he should be considered as a trade down pick.

    Interesting that you mention Robiskie, a big receiver at 6’3″ around 200 lbs, with great hands, who runs good routes, team leader, son of an NFL receiver coach… I could really see our scouts and front office in general falling in love with this guy.

  6. CeaYoung says:

    I wasn’t implying that we take him and move him to safety. Keep him at CB all the time!
    The guy runs a 4.4 40 so speed shoudn’t be a problem. We’ll see how his combine runs
    go but as of now that’s what he’s listed at.

    While my post did build up to us taking a safety, or a guy that could move to safety, I
    really was envisioning 2 absolute shut down corners to take pressure off our safeties.

    Then in later rounds maybe try to shore up that S and WR spot. I just think that 2 shut
    down corners would have an impact on the Seahawks team now more than any other
    position available at number 4.

  7. JoeHawk51 says:

    I agree with CeaYoung about the potential impact of getting a top saftey for our defense. But dont forget the FA market. There are a few real good ones out there. I like Atogwe from StLouis. He is solid, only in his 5th year and he comes from a division rival. It is all good! But an improved pass rush will also help our secondary so the best case is an upgade in both. Go Hawks!

  8. Franchising Hill

    For – He has been a guy who gets banged up every year. He’s never made it 16 games as a starter. It would be nice to have a guy like that play on a series of 1-year deals. His game is so physical that even though he’s 26-27 years old, it’s more like he has the body or wear and tear of a 30 year old. That’s not good. It would also be nice because I think he can be very, very good if used properly, which I hope Mora does.

    Against – I don’t see paying a LB top 5 money if he’s not one of the top 15 LBs in the NFL. I am also against this move if Mora isn’t going to allow him to play to his strengths. It makes no sense to keep him and then let him spend most of his time in coverage. It only makes sense to franchise him if he is going to be a featured player on this defense, one who is put in position to make plays.

    Ideal scenario – put the franchise tag on him and someone else out there wants to trade for him and pick up a 2nd or early 3rd round pick for him. Unfortunately, his weed incident probably made this unrealistic.

    I’m more worried about losing Ray Willis, than I am about losing Hill.

  9. CeaYoung says:


    I feel like your “For” is filled with “Against”s… lol

    Also, I’d like to see your top 15 LBs in the league list without mention of Hill. Hill is
    very underrated in my opinion due to the fact there’s two other great guys playing
    the same position on the same team. There’s a big shadow and Hill is under it.

    And yeah… I would hate to lose Willis too. Kid’s got potential. I don’t see the Seahawks
    letting him get away.

  10. CeaYoung says:

    I’ll start you off…

    1. Ware
    2. Urlacher
    3. Merriman (when healthy)
    4. Adalius
    5. Julian
    6. Tatupu
    7. Patrick Willis
    8. James Harrison
    9. Ray Lewis
    10. Lance Briggs
    11. Sean Phillips

    It starts getting tough there. And I don’t want to see Vrabel or Hawk above Leroy…

  11. suggs, bart scott. farrior, beason….there are many.

    But i remember last year no one knew who this rodgers cromartie kid was besides the fact that he was other cromarties cousin. He had a coming out party in the senior bowl and a few teams noticed. Any safteys step up this year in the senior bowl?

  12. Add in Ernie Sims and Chad Greenway and you’re up to 17 who are better than Hill.

    At this moment in time, I also like Derrick Brooks better too – even if he’s getting old.

    MeMarco Ryans is better.

    I think Joey Porter is one of the biggest morons in professional sports, but he did have 17.5 sacks this past season.

    Wow — we’re now at 20 LBs who are better than Hill.

    So, he’s not even a top 20 LB and we want to franchise him so we can make him a top 5 paid LB?

    Sounds like D. Grant all over again.

    Maybe we can sign TJ Whoseyourmomma for $985 billion too.

  13. I’d definitely take Jarod Mayo over Hill.

  14. Dukeshire says:

    TheWash – I would prefer the ‘Hawks resign him. In the end I don’t think his arrest will effect much. That is however, unless Ruskell feels this was more than an isolated incident, and there’s no indication of that, from what I can tell. The tag would be a big hit against the cap but I see no other reasonable options. DD is good and Hawthorne may develop but I’m not in favor of a “platoon”. Especially when the sum of that platoon can only equal, at best , what they are replacing. So if LeRoy walks, how do you replace him? A FA? Through the draft? I just don’t see any scenario that replaces the skill you lose while saving any money. In the end, it will cost more to replace him than than hit you take up front, by resigning or franchising him for a year, if necessary. Just my opinion.

  15. Dukeshire says:

    Julian is #5? Good grief. And BobbyK-Greenway? I thought one of your knocks on Hill was the injury situation? Unreal…

  16. Dukeshire says:

    CeaYoung – In your earlier post, why were you comparing safeties to a corner. I agree with you, when you ask to think of a good d with out a good safety. But Jenkins does not fill that roll. Russell must be replaced, now. We can agree on that, I’m sure.

  17. Dukeshire; Chad Greenway has played in EVERY game the last 2 years. Maybe you consider that to be injury prone, but I don’t.

  18. freedom_X says:

    The franchise tag on Hill is not so much because he’s one of the elite LB’s in the league, but rather to avoid losing him for nothing. It’s very possible Ruskell will try to trade Hill, but the recent incident has damaged his trade value. I’m sure Seattle will hope that the lowered value can get Hill signed for less, whereas Hill might be better served signing the 1 year tender and hoping for big things next year. After 1 big year, people will forget the traffic stop, just like most people have pushed Haynesworth’s face-stomping into the past. Then both Seattle and Hill have options. I don’t think Hill has the leverage to pull a “promise not to franchise me next year, and I’ll sign this year” gambit.

    If Hill does sign a long term deal with Seattle, it’s going to be for a lot less than the franchise money on a per-year basis. Seattle might drop the tag if they instead want to use the money to get a Haynesworth or trade for a Peppers/Asomugha.

  19. Dukeshire says:

    That must have been someone else who missed an entire year after blowing out his knee.

  20. Dukeshire says:

    freedom_X – well said.

  21. I have lost a lot of respect for you with that last post.

    Two perfectly healthy years in a row and he’s “injury prone.” One injury in 7 years (4 in college, 3 in the NFL) and he’s injury prone. Get real.

  22. Dukeshire says:

    I never said injury prone. One of your complaints about franchising Leroy is his injury history. I’m simply trying to level out that ridiculous (IMO) list, and give some perspective to LeRoy’s place on it.

  23. Dukeshire says:

    I love that you put injury prone comment in quotes. That is the second time you have put something I did not say in quotations.

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