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UPDATED: Tacoma: Police union warns city about hiring outside investigator in Zina case

Post by Lewis Kamb / The News Tribune on June 20, 2011 at 6:21 pm with 73 Comments »
June 21, 2011 11:44 am

Original post:

Tacoma’s police union is demanding that a planned third-party review of the police department’s handling of the Zina Linnik case four years ago must first be bargained with the union — or the city will face legal action.

In a letter sent June 8 to City Manager Eric Anderson, Tacoma Police Union Local 6 Vice President Christopher Tracy contends the third-party review of the Zina case called for by Mayor Marilyn Strickland last month is subject to negotiation with the police guild.

“Hiring an outside consultant to perform any work in this context – essentially an after-action review – is work that has traditionally been conducted within the Police Department by members of our bargaining unit,“ Tracy wrote.

“As such, the City’s hiring of a third party to conduct this probe, without bargaining with Local 6 to do so, would amount to an unlawful removal of the Union’s work to a contract employee outside the bargaining unit, a change both in working conditions and past practice. These are mandatory conditions of bargaining.”

In May, Strickland announced her choice to conduct the third-party probe as Mark S. Simpson, a law enforcement consultant who specializes in child abduction cases. Among other experience during his 30-plus years in law enforcement, Simpson led an Arlington (Tex.) Police Department task force in charge of investigating the unsolved 1996 abduction and homicide of 9-year-old Amber Hagerman, whose case led to development of the AMBER Alert.

The formal proposal “to engage a third-party investigator to conduct an objective and unbiased review” is set to go before the city council on Tuesday.

To pay for the probe, the council will consider spending up to $50,000 from the council’s contingency fund. The proposal requires that upon completion, the investigator will “submit a report to the City Council that will be made available to the public.”

The measure lands on the council’s agenda two weeks later than when Anderson said last month it would be ready for consideration.

Since June 8, The News Tribune has repeatedly asked Strickland for details of the third-party probe’s contract. The mayor has responded that the city’s legal department was still working out details.

Asked specifically Friday what the hold up was, Strickland responded: “There is no hold up.  Mark Simpson has a copy of the contract and will send it to us after he signs it.”

Simpson did not return a message left for him Monday.

Strickland worked for several weeks with the city attorney’s office to select Simpson to lead the third-party probe, after she and other city officials initially had said no further investigation of the Zina case was warranted.

In April, The News Tribune revealed new details from recently filed court records about how the city’s Amber Alert for Zina was partially delayed because Officer Mark Fulghum fell back to sleep instead of issuing the alert as requested.

Police Chief Don Ramsdell later apologized to the newspaper for not divulging those details during his department’s previous public statements about why it took 12 hours to issue the Amber Alert. The information about Fulghum also was omitted from the department’s formal after-action report on the Zina case.

In light of the new case details, the City Council met privately in April, but announced through Strickland it would take no further action in the matter. Anderson also said he would not pursue any disciplinary action against either Fulghum or Ramsdell.

But after the TNT filed a request for Fulghum’s pay records from the day of the delayed Amber Alert – records that showed he was on “stand-by duty” at the time of his medicated slumber – Anderson announced he had reprimanded the chief and would conduct an internal investigation of Fulghum.

Anderson and Strickland also said the city would seek an outside investigation of the entire Zina case.

In the police union’s letter to Anderson, Tracy objected to the city’s hiring of any outside investigator without first negotiating the issue with Local 6.

The letter specifically requested the city bargain the issue, notify Tracy to set up those negotiations and “acknowledge (the city) will not hire an outside third party to conduct the work at this time.”

Tracy also warned that “failure to contact me in a timely fashion will leave Local 6 with no choice but to initiate the appropriate lawful actions.”

Updated 10:05 a.m:

In response to the union’s letter,  Anderson replied with a letter on June 10, saying he had directed the issue to city labor negotiators.

“I know that this is an important and sensitive issue to Local 6 and as such I have referred the matter to the City’s Human Resources Department Labor Relations Office to ensure a prompt and appropriate response as provided for in the current collective bargaining agreement and RCW 41.56, the State’s Collective Bargaining Law,” Anderson wrote.

Leave a comment Comments → 73
  1. Pecksbadboy says:

    The police union runs the city now.

    Let’s end collective bargaining with them now for being unreasonable and way too trigger happy.

  2. SPanaway1 says:

    Wolf guarding the henhouse? If a 3rd party investigation is warranted that should not be negotiable.

  3. dankuykendall says:

    What are they afraid will be found? The only reason I can thing of to file a suit would be to attempt to hide something.

  4. obviously a Rob McKenna T.E.A. Party conspiracy to soil the good name of unions everywhere. Surely such a move will be met with civil unrest. What are they thinking???

  5. steilacoomtaxpayer says:

    Union telling Management what to do? Wow! You City managers/council members, et al, really have let things get out of hand. Get back in charge, please + thank you.

  6. dirtydan54 says:

    Cops and other public officers and public agencies may have some type of contractual agreement with a public agency but since we the people pay their wages and their fundamental duties are to serve our best interests, the lawful authority they erercise and are performed under the authority of , that is in our name. Although that lawful authority has never been granted to them by the people, Which is another matter all on its own,

    Our little peon public employees and agencies have no contractual agreement whatsoever of any type with us the the people and are subject first and foremost to our supreme authority as the people over them. All public officers are subject to the supreme power and authority of the people, no matter what the incorporated entity doing business in our name, that we the people did not grant or create any lawful authority to, is between you cops and that agency only.

    When we the people are assembled as a majority, and command you to jump, the only question or comment from you to us allowed is, how high shall I jump for you boss.

    If we the people in assembled as a majority, demand and want 100 different investigations then that is what will happen.

    Only problem in exercising and imposing this supreme power of the people upon any public agency or officer is getting enough people to get off their lazy butts to be a majority sufficient to exercise our supreme power and lawful authority of the people upon any public agency or officer.

    Until we the people can come together and figure out on our own how to exercise that authority in a lawful manner I guess you’ll evade that lawful supreme authority until the time we the sheeple figure out how to impose our supreme power and lawful authority upon our public officers and agencies that we all know and realize you also do not have to worry about happening….. yet.

    I hope to live long enough to see that happen, sure would be nice to have retutrned to us what has been taken from us long ago.

    But lately I am becoming convinced the majority doesn’t care or wont take an action to make this happen as it is long over due.

  7. dirtydan54 says:

    Steilacomtaxpayer, don’t place the blame city managers, councol members or anywherew else but where it belongs, look in the mirror, everyone look in the mirror because that is where 100% of the blame rightfully falls upon.

    Not only does a majority of people expect somebody else to do for them what is their responsibility to do, but also when looking to place blame for something they look somewhere else to place that blame other than where it belongs, unto themselves.

  8. sorry police union but i think a review of this case would best be handled by outside of the dept anything else will leave a taint on any investigation. It is about time to get a handle on these prima donnas

  9. My bet: the police are lying again. Bad habit – BAD!

  10. hey police union why don’t you send another angry letter to the citizen oversight panel. “I gotta say, I’m disappointed chief”

  11. Gary Belcher says:

    Sounds to me like the police union is being run by the Mafia. “YOU DO IT THE WAY WE TELL YOU OR ELSE” Sounds like bribery & threats. Isn’t that illegal ? The police getting bribed by the union ! Hmmmmmmmm ——————-.

  12. bruce bessler says:

    sounds like the Union fears the facts will be found. The Union has should have no say in the matter. After all “unions” are notorious for being run by the mob.

  13. This is where the individuals representing the officers need to wake up to reality and remove said melon from said crack.
    Third party review is done to get an unbiased, outside look at the entire event and how it went down. That is why you have “third party review”

    Doesn’t matter who it is and the city has the right to do so.

  14. tree_guy says:

    No need to hire a child abduction specialist to “review” the case. The problem under discussion is the departmental lying and coverup. It’s coincidental that it involved the Zina Linnik case.

    If the coverup involved missing parking meter money would we hire a parking meter specialist?

  15. dster420 says:

    Wake up, sheeple..There is not a dam thing any of us can do…The city will honor whatever the union says, because they don’t want to be in any lawsuit- Because then the good citizens of Tacoma would maybe figure out what is REALLY going on down in city hall… And where are all you people that hate the unions? You never seem to complain about THAT union…only labor unions…And this police union is about as crooked as you can get…

  16. Rooster5150 says:

    First if you are paying police wages (which you are not) then they need a raise. They work more hours than they get paid for and that’s a fact. They have to deal with the worst of the worst of society every day where nobody tells the truth and all are dirt bags. Then they have to come back to reality after work and act like it doesn’t affect them at all. When in reality it makes them bitter, angry and less likely to want to interact with people. Besides that the stress of the job leave law enforcement with the highest rate of stress related illness in the job market not to mention high suicide rates.

    The next time someone has to charge throw a door to arrest a Maurice Clemmons who you know is going to be shooting back without question, ask yourself how much money is your life worth. How much money would it take to deprive your kids of an their parent? I know several Lakewood PD families who lost their fathers who can tell you. Just think of how crime ridden and how much you’d be prayed upon with the police. It would be just like Mexico. So all you cop haters who hate cops just because chances are you’r most likely a dirt bad yourself.

  17. Eric Anderson and the Police Chief need to be replaced

  18. I like my police honest. Where was the police union when the lying police chief fired the little policeman for lying? Napping on the clock in a cloud of Advil PM ?

  19. The most striking thing is the complete exclusion of the Citizen’s Review Panel.
    The CRP was setup to examine POLICY and a major piece of this is POLICY.
    We do not have $50,000 to waste and neither can we afford the complete roll-over to the Union that the City will execute if challenged.

  20. The police will file a lawsuit unless the police can investigate itself.

    And the taxpayers are paying the police and the pollice union????????

    The union does not care about truth or justice or even good police officers (how many officers has the union reccomended to be terminated?) – only money

  21. Hit a nerve?

  22. Let us not forget that the city COULD have fulfilled its contractual obligation to bargain work usually done by the bargaining unit members before it unilaterally decided to violate its contract with employees. The city decided not to. That is the issue here…not whether its best to have an outside investigator…I wonder why?

    And the union, who represents its members, is not supposed to say anything when the contract is violated? What would you do if your Lawyer did that when representing you?

    The media, using an event out of context to attack unions, who represent working people, is not new around here. The sheeple jumping on the union bashing band wagon isn’t new either, unfortunately.

  23. Simply amazing…since when does a ‘union’ dictate city operations!!!

  24. Yeah TPD investigating its own worked real well in the Brame case didn’t it? I thought there was going to be some real changes in how this police agency did business after that fiasco and subsequent tragedy. Seems like its business as usual as nepotism, cronyism, and good ole boy investigations where one hand washes the other is still the order of the day down there! And to top it all off the Union will sue the City if they do what is right and what is their responsibility to the citizenry of Tacoma…to get to the bottom of this story with an independent unbiased investigation! They will sue?
    The City needs to fire all of their TPD officers and hire them back NON-UNION!
    Take a page out of Ronnie Reagan’s book and stand up to this travesty! Something stinks to high heaven down at the TPD…and has quickly become the new “Aroma of Tacoma”!

  25. bbobtee27 says:

    Most if not all of you shouldn’t comment on things you know nothing about. This is about management making unilateral changes to the bargaining agreement without negotiating. That is against the law! It very well may come down to an outside agency conducting this review, but that has to be bargained. That’s all the article is saying.

  26. pumaintacoma says:

    Hard job equates to LYING to the taxpayers?

    Remember the taxpayers are your board of directors who pay your salary.

    It would be easier to contract out police services altogether and then cancel their contract than deal with such insane bargaining actions for an investigation.

    Do we not have checks and balances in government anymore?

  27. Tacoma PD has had a “rotten at the core” reputation for decades. This just confirms that it still exists. I’m surprised they haven’t renamed their HQ the “David Brame Public Safety Building”.

  28. Unions are good, however this is a PR disaster waiting/baiting to happen. Who in the union leadership thought this was a good idea? They should be purged as saboteurs! Rob McKenna is going to use this to end collective bargaining! Wake up!!

  29. Michael Campbell says:

    The Union is DIRTY! Union before Justice? Good “ol boy” concept! Employees have rights but what does that have to do with Justice? Employee rights are work place conditions, and etc. Who’s the Boss? The Union or those who pay the wages?

  30. auwing1978 says:

    All the more reason to expedite the start of this investigation. DON”T WIMP OUT MS. MAYOR, MR. MANAGER AND CITY COUNCIL!!!

  31. psycodug says:

    WOW!! It should be the intention of any person to do what is in the best interest of protecting future children from harm. Is this how the union Rep’s accomplish this goal or have they another ??
    remember now people, officer Lee Giles the child molester worked in the TPD for YEARS…. Who else are they hiding…

  32. The union leaders must have had a meeting to determine the worst possible idea that they could come up with.

  33. I ref to rooster5150:
    Their is no doubt in anyone’s mind that being a law enforcement officer is a dangerous job. That would also include the law enforcement officer’s themselves. It is a sad thing to say but it has always come with the territory. to say or even hint that they should get special consideration or treatment in any investigation when there may be either criminal neglect, neglect, or violation of ones civil rights simply because those who MAY have committed the potential offense are sworn to enforce the law is an insult to our very system & culture. It is our rule of law that sets apart from the rest of the world it is our ideal that NO MAN/WOMEN is above the law no matter who they are or what they do.
    The police are entrusted by the public to enforce the law, that does not allow them to place themselves above the law. Nor does it allow them to protect those who attempt to do so. Something, that based on the recent news reports, and actions of the various police departments through out the greater Puget sound area, actions caught on video sometimes video provided by the officer in questions on car cam have forgotten.
    Public trust is given free gratis when one is sworn in. Its is given freely. It is also the police officer’s and the agency that that officer works for to lose from that point forward. Having said that trust is very very difficult to gain back once it is placed in question much less lost. The badge is a sign of authority. Not something one uses to hide behind!
    In this case some one failed to do the job that we the public entrusted them do do. a job that we the public pay them to do. Pay them with OUR money not the cities, not the states, not the federal governments but OUR MONEY. Imagine what would have happened if Paul Revere would have just gone back to sleep during the revolution. The scenario is somewhat different but the analogy is the same.
    One would think that the police department and its collective bargaining unit would welcome ANY outside investigation considering that complete and total transparency in a situation such as this is the only thing that will not damage the public trust, trust that is obviously in question….
    Instead they draw up that thin blue line, circle the wagons around it and throw up the old Blue Shield and again do everything they can to protect their own. Even when their is serious public doubt about the bias of their already completed in house investigation. Seems that with the support of their bargaining unit they have taken the position of ” its us against them ”
    and are appearently concerned with protecting themselves more than they are about protecting the very fragile public trust.
    To the council, the TPD, and it internal affairs div. Using the collective bargaining unit to attempt to prevent another qualified set of eyes from looking at the evidence is not only an arrogant & a cowardly act. Its bad investigative practice. the more qualified eyes looking at all the evidence the better!!! At the very least allowing this does nothing but instill or enhance the public trust, all preventing it does is encourage & enforce the existing distrust. Its called checks and balances

    “Only those with something to hide, run in the and darkness of shadows”

    If you want the public’s trust you must be constantly attempting to do everything in your power to earn it. Its a job that requires 110% 24-7-365 vigilance.

  34. pharmgirl says:

    I am glad to see there are a few other reasonable people left in this world. Thank you, moxykid and bbobtee27, for your voices of reason. The issue is not who will perform the investigation; it is the fact that this is a one-sided decision that is being made without bargaining with the union. Thank you Local 6 for standing up for your rights and thank you TPD for serving and protecting.

  35. Stop electing Democrats who are in bed with the Unions. The unions have way too much pull in this state.

  36. tacomanewsguy says:

    This really again demonstrates that the POLICE UNION really does not care about Zina. That is sad and a shame.

  37. Pecksbadboy says:

    Pharmgirl, What are you smoking?

    You do not have any idea of the reality of the corruption in the union and the wimps the council and city manager are.

  38. vere_veritas says:

    From the department that gave us David Brame.

    From the County that gave us Janovich, Shields, French, etc, etc (infinitum).

    Daily inundation of police scandal (Fife, currently), and the history of law enforcement corruption in Pierce County, has soured citizens on respecting police. Understandably. When they get their house in order, and keep it that way for a couple of decades, then the citizenry will restore them to a position of respect in the community. Until that time, while there may be a legal difference, there is certainly no moral difference between the criminal gangs and the gang in blue.

  39. mhanagan says:

    Once again those who either can’t or won’t read the story are commenting. The issue is NOT whether the union thinks there should be an outside investigation, the issue is that the city has to bargain with the union when they want to bring in someone to do work that members of the police union would normally do. Think of it this way, Tacoma Public Utilities pays linemen to do maintenance and repair work on TPU infrastructure. The city, ab initio and without bargaining, hires a private contractor to start doing some of the repair work on TPU infrastructure. If the union says nothing, then the city is emboldened and will start to press private contractors into service on more and more occassions until the city determines that it can start reducing it’s own staff of linemen. Should the linemen’s union NOT force the city to bargain that issue? Of course it should. That’s what it exists for. Just because it’s the police, and just because there is a large contingent of police haters in Tacoma, does not mean that the city should not be made to walk up to its obligations to the police union. Those obligations are the result of contract negotiations. People in Tacoma need to get a grip. You get first rate public safety protection from about 400 people. Yep, 400 people are protecting 200,000 plus all the workers that commute into Tacoma from elsewhere. They do it day after day, face aggravation and danger, and they do it so all you complainers don’t have to. Yes, they get pay and some nice benefits. They also get to have a median age at death of 58. That’s three years after they are able to retire in the state retirement system. Bitch away about how bad things. When you’re done bitching, grab a stick and a gun and head to the Hilltop to protect your town.

  40. “Police Chief Don Ramsdell later apologized to the newspaper for not divulging those details during his department’s previous public statements about why it took 12 hours to issue the Amber Alert. The information about Fulghum also was omitted from the department’s formal after-action report on the Zina case.”

    Facts:

    1. Chief Ramsdell and Mark Fulgham were untruthful in a public statement.

    2. The failure of Mark Fulgham to timely issue the Amber Alert was covered-up by Chief Ramsdell, Mark Fulgham and Eric Anderson, (for his failure to discipline both officers for untruthfulness). The proof is it was not mentioned in the Post-Incident report. (We still do not know who wrote the post incident report and whether, the author was asked to leave out the delayed Amber alert information or was it redacted at a later date and if so by whom?)

    Mayor Strickland was right to call for an outside investigation of this incident because, clearly the code of silence that exists at TPD does not allow for fair and impartial fact findings and conclusions.

    I believe that there is an impasse between the City and the union because of the importance of the issue. The City should decide early on that, the change of hiring an outside investigator is so minor that it does not involve mandatory subjects of bargaining, and, therefore not engage in bargaining.

    I have not read the agreement between the City and TPD but, my hope is that there is a strong management-rights clause, that specifically allows the city to modify rules or implement new ones. It should also be mentioned that the agreement should allow for the contracting out of outside investigations and the City should be free to so.

    The City of Tacoma wants an outside investigator to conduct this investigation because of the facts surrounding the failed Amber alert, the untruthfulness by the Chief, Public Spokesperson and City Manager. In doing so they will be able to begin to restore the public’s trust in the Tacoma Police Department and it’s leadership.

    If the Union is successful, we, (the public) may have no other choice but to call for a Department of Justice Investigation.

  41. pumaintacoma says:

    For Psychodug

    http://www.komonews.com/news/archive/4193196.html?tab=video

    Flashback in 2006 we learned….

    We’ve learned Giles volunteered his time at the Law Enforcement Youth Camp near Wilkeson every year. But folks with the camp say Giles was merely a cook.

    “So he was never part of the structure that would put him around children,” Det. Ed Troyer said. “So we’re very confident that there were no kids that he had access to or that any of the kids from camp are victims.”

    —How Can We Be So VERY Confident? City Council should move forth with the investigation and don’t back down, protect our children—

  42. CommonCents says:

    it’s a shame that people can’t separate the actions of a few with the whole as a group. It’s a shame that people do not understand the role of a union. It’s a shame that people who are not altruistic in their own lives expect everyone else to be.

  43. rightwingrick says:

    Baloney.

    No more fox guarding the hen house. It’s a clear conflict of interest, pure and simple and common sense.

    This is how unions get bad names (and it’s sad, because they are an important balancing force…where do you think the 40 hour work week came from, and health benefits, and vacation days, and the end of child labor?).

    One solution: go ahead and let them review it. But the Mayor’s choice also moves forward.

  44. CommonCents,

    It’s a shame that you do not understand the proven record of dishonesty at TPD prevents the Chief and Spokesperson from useful service as a law enforcement officer, (especially in roles of leadership). To require their continued employment to a position of great public trust in which he cannot possibly serve violates public policy.

    Collective bargaining by unions cannot violate public policy and in this case, in my opinion, it does because. The TPD cannot conduct a fair and impartial investigation.

  45. gonefishin69690 says:

    Wow! It seems that Unions are more powerful than organized crime!!!…..Oh wait, they ARE organized crime!

  46. I dispute the fact that the City(the employer)has to bargain with the Local to perform investigations on its own employees. Clearly it is an employers right to investigate any incidents involving their own employees and workplaces. That fact has long been established in US labor law. I an not buying that any type of language exists anywhere in the contract with Local 6 mandating “negotiations” to perform an investigation! The letter from the police guild seems to be suggesting there may be some sort of “past practice” with the policy of conducting internal investigations within TPD. But that should not preclude the City from performing an investigation of its own…especially since members of TPD blatantly lied to the public. How credible would their report be? If there were such language re: investigations by the City then Local 6 would have recourse for a grievance to be filed and the process would take its course. Clearly there is no such language in the contract or the Union would not be threatening a lawsuit. I call on the City to act in the greater good and say full speed ahead! The right to have the truth told in as transparent a process far outweighs the needs of the union to protect its members.

  47. nothing to see or here here – move along or you’ll be shot (ehm..sued)

  48. Basically, the union is telling us that cops are operating with impunity. A cop stole some money for a drug house, beat his wife, fudged his time card, drove drunk or molested somebody in the cruiser? Don’t you dare investigate, Tacoma, cause we’ll sue your pants off!!!!
    Is Strickland going to give the cops that impunity? Likely, Tacoma is not Mayberry.

  49. Tacoma police have been covering up for their inept and dangerous police officers for a lont time, lets not forget Crystal Brame and her crazy, insane, rapist police chief husband.

  50. BlaineCGarver says:

    It saddens me to say that TPD can no longer be trusted…And, when can a union be trusted to have anything but a bottom line in mind?

  51. skippythedog says:

    TPD has always marched to the beat of it’s own drum, rife w/ corruption and scandal. What’s the union really afraid of?

  52. “Police Chief Don Ramsdell later apologized to the newspaper for not divulging those details during his department’s previous public statements about why it took 12 hours to issue the Amber Alert. The information about Fulghum also was omitted from the department’s formal after-action report on the Zina case.”

    Facts:

    1. Chief Ramsdell and Mark Fulgham were untruthful in a public statement.

    2. The failure of Mark Fulgham to timely issue the Amber Alert was covered-up by Chief Ramsdell, Mark Fulgham and Eric Anderson, (for his failure to discipline both officers for untruthfulness). The proof is it was not mentioned in the Post-Incident report. (We still do not know who wrote the post incident report and whether, the author was asked to leave out the delayed Amber alert information or was it redacted at a later date and if so by whom?)

    Mayor Strickland was right to call for an outside investigation of this incident because, clearly the code of silence that exists at TPD does not allow for fair and impartial fact findings and conclusions.

    I believe that there is an impasse between the City and the union because of the importance of the issue. The City should decide early on that, the change of hiring an outside investigator is so minor that it does not involve mandatory subjects of bargaining, and, therefore not engage in bargaining.

    I have not read the agreement between the City and TPD but, my hope is that there is a strong management-rights clause, that specifically allows the city to modify rules or implement new ones. It should also be mentioned that the agreement should allow for the contracting out of outside investigations and the City should be free to so.

    The City of Tacoma wants an outside investigator to conduct this investigation because of the facts surrounding the failed Amber alert, the untruthfulness by the Chief, Public Spokesperson and City Manager. In doing so they will be able to begin to restore the public’s trust in the Tacoma Police Department and it’s leadership.

    If the Union is successful, we, (the public) may have no other choice but to call for a Department of Justice Investigation.

  53. CommonCents says:

    This is an internal affairs matter. If the city wants to hire an outside agent to investigate Fulgham then that’s their right to do…no one is saying otherwise. However, in doing so they are subcontracting away work that would ordinarily be done by union labor and that needs to be bargained with the union. Again, the union is not saying that outside investigators should not and can not be used….just that they need to follow federal labor laws (good faith bargaining) before they do. One final time…this is not saying that an investigation should not be done or even who should be doing it. Just that it is a negotiation point when you choose not to use union labor whose job it normally is to conduct said investigations. You’ve got to come to the table first…not that hard.

  54. Those evil scary unions!
    My goodness how the world would be just perfect, peaches and roses without those evil scary unions!
    Whatever will we do, glen beck has told us, he told all of us how evil unions are now look, they are doing what they are supposed to do…protect their members!
    How dare they!

  55. CommonCents,

    Mr. Krause and the TPD Union are not entering into a negotiation in good faith. They know the reason why an outside investigation was called and it is because TPD is unable to investigate themselves based on the code of silence that exists within their department, therefore, no work is being taken away from any union member.

  56. frankiethomas says:

    So it looks like egg on the union’s face since he DID bring it to the union in the first place. But beyond that – how about the union does the right thing and shines a bright light on this from beginning to end? Familiar with that phrase? Aware of the public’s fatigue and perception of unions protecting the worng side of things? I want to be pro-union but come on when we have pedophile teachers on YEARS of paid administrative leave, liquor cahiers making 40K a year, and bad cops protecting worse, what’s Johnny Q. Public to do?

  57. CommonCents says:

    Not sure how it’s egg on the union’s face…they protested in a letter dated June 8. One June 10 Anderson responded with a letter stating it was going to the city’s labor negotiators. Looks like this one either went to press without someone doing some fact checks (sorry TNT June 10 was a long time ago and the fact that it’s being negotiated right now is kind of important to the story) or it’s being sensationalized (gasp!!!). Now it’s in the hands of the union to negotiate fairly and make concessions to allow the third party investigator to do his job…and by negotiate fairly I mean don’t ask for anything other than notification of results at same time as city.

  58. gonefishin69690 says:

    A protection racket is an extortion scheme whereby a criminal group or individual coerces other less powerful entities to pay money, allegedly for protection services against external threats (usually violence or property damage). Many racketeers will coerce potential clients into buying protection through property damage or other harassment. In most cases, the racketeers do little to protect the client from other predators, and their “protection” is little more than extortion………..Yep, your union hard at work

  59. @CommonCents: Your very name represents that which alot of the posters simply don’t have. People see what they want to in any given article. They read “Police Unions Contest Private Investigator”; they see “Police Want First Crack at Covering up Alleged Inadequecies”.

    Current public opinion dictates that public employees and their unions are bad; and therefore unworthy of either due process or the protections provided by such. People just need to stop listening to the talking heads in their magic picture box and understand how the real world works.

  60. nice save fellows. Now about that nasty letter to Ms. King-Stargel

  61. We don’t have to curtsey to the Queen of England.
    Why should we curtsey to the police unions who say
    they represent public servants?

  62. smolderc says:

    It’s plain to see how many people don’t know how a union works.I’ve lived in Denver and Kansas City and they also think their cops are crooked.All big cities have that same complaint.All cops are not crooked there is the occasional bad cop but most are not.I have never worked a non union job and never would.

  63. The union is not the boss, the city is. Mayor, do your job and conduct this investigation the way you see fit; don’t be bullied When someone is involved in a cover-up, you don’t ask them to investigate themselves.

  64. the mayor is not the boss either.

  65. samanthamarten says:

    Why is everyone abandoning the Mayor? Who is handing out the dime store advice? Federal judicial/consultation resources are available and should be immediately sought. Texan style wisdom for $50,000 is equvalent to a one way trip to Disneyland.

  66. hello city manager form of government!

  67. fedupwithmendacity says:

    Isn’t it regrettable how the rights and privileges of so many bureaucracies, organizations, and officials must trample over the final resting place of a 12 year old girl? Thus far, the silence of Zina’s grave is the most eloquent as to the necessity of an unfettered, unpoliticized, unmanipulated, and transparent review of what occurred prior as well as after her murder.

  68. aAAAAARGH says:

    Unbelievable. TPD is the mafia. Let’s go toe to toe with them in a lawsuit: the hell with it. If we don’t win then it’s time to start picketing cops’ houses individually.

  69. Unions are obligated to stick up for their members, NO MATTER WHAT. Don’t blame the unions for the corruption within the dept.

  70. Oh BTW, you all think you are safe now that Queen Christine, your bought and paid fo ho, just gutted Sontag’s budget for audits! I am ashamed to admitt I was even born in that cess hole you call a city!

  71. Government unions and their minions are lower than dog shit!

  72. speakout says:

    When did the Unions start running things?

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