Comments on: Pierce charter amendment supporters, opponents squabble over campaign cash http://blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/2009/10/15/pierce-charter-amendemnt-supporters-opponents-squabble-over-campaign-cash/ Talking WA politics. Thu, 18 Mar 2010 05:56:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Take Online Surveys For Money http://blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/2009/10/15/pierce-charter-amendemnt-supporters-opponents-squabble-over-campaign-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-12689 Take Online Surveys For Money Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:47:25 +0000 http://blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/?p=730#comment-12689 Howdy. Simply desired to send you actually a note to allow you understand you may have a number of authentic users around. Howdy. Simply desired to send you actually a note to allow you understand you may have a number of authentic users around.
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]]> By: randalmm http://blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/2009/10/15/pierce-charter-amendemnt-supporters-opponents-squabble-over-campaign-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-647 randalmm Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:20:05 +0000 http://blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/?p=730#comment-647 Could the Richard Muri who is a contributor the the pcbgl be the same as the council member who would benefit from the passage of the charter amendments? With the 3 self serving amendments would that not be a conflict if true? Ranked choice voting is what separates us from the voter apathy current in political races. In Seattle the candidates for Mayor were chosen by less than 5% of the registered voters. Do we want to go back to that typer of system. I would prefer to have a larger percentage of the voters choosing the candidates which is what the council is trying to eliminate. Could the Richard Muri who is a contributor the the pcbgl be the same as the council member who would benefit from the passage of the charter amendments? With the 3 self serving amendments would that not be a conflict if true?

Ranked choice voting is what separates us from the voter apathy current in political races. In Seattle the candidates for Mayor were chosen by less than 5% of the registered voters. Do we want to go back to that typer of system. I would prefer to have a larger percentage of the voters choosing the candidates which is what the council is trying to eliminate.

]]> By: PrincipalSkinner http://blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/2009/10/15/pierce-charter-amendemnt-supporters-opponents-squabble-over-campaign-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-564 PrincipalSkinner Sun, 18 Oct 2009 07:01:41 +0000 http://blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/?p=730#comment-564 Krist and Nirvana did rock, but Rank Choice Voting does not. Has anyone noticed that Props 1, 2, and 3 are three different subjects? Hey, Denny K-Dog, isn't a good thing that Lindquist and Talbert are bi-partisan since you sound like you don't like partisan peeps? p.s. Come As You Are is the most awesome song! Krist and Nirvana did rock, but Rank Choice Voting does not. Has anyone noticed that Props 1, 2, and 3 are three different subjects? Hey, Denny K-Dog, isn't a good thing that Lindquist and Talbert are bi-partisan since you sound like you don't like partisan peeps? p.s. Come As You Are is the most awesome song!
]]> By: newswatch http://blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/2009/10/15/pierce-charter-amendemnt-supporters-opponents-squabble-over-campaign-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-558 newswatch Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:27:54 +0000 http://blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/?p=730#comment-558 Ditto sloremodeler. This is all about Bunney, Muri, etc hanging onto their jobs for longer so they can safely run again. They are trying to change the subject in hopes we don't notice. As to who is funding the two sides, I would much rather go with money from a respected organization such as FairVote than dirty money from folks who are looking for handouts and paybacks from the County Council. And from the looks of that glossy, expensive mailer, it seems like all they know how to do is attack, attack, attack. No wonder Bunney couldn't win his RCV race against McCarthy, even though he out-spent her almost 4 to 1. I say Reject. Ditto sloremodeler. This is all about Bunney, Muri, etc hanging onto their jobs for longer so they can safely run again. They are trying to change the subject in hopes we don't notice.

As to who is funding the two sides, I would much rather go with money from a respected organization such as FairVote than dirty money from folks who are looking for handouts and paybacks from the County Council.

And from the looks of that glossy, expensive mailer, it seems like all they know how to do is attack, attack, attack. No wonder Bunney couldn't win his RCV race against McCarthy, even though he out-spent her almost 4 to 1.

I say Reject.

]]> By: joycemccloy http://blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/2009/10/15/pierce-charter-amendemnt-supporters-opponents-squabble-over-campaign-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-545 joycemccloy Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:25:42 +0000 http://blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/?p=730#comment-545 FairVote strategy is same in all 50 states. FairVote NC set up shop. Cary NC in Wake Co was first volunteer for IRV. The then Wake Co BoE Chairman (now former chairman).daughter in law was also the Director of FairVoteNC. The former chairman was a big supporter and flew to Minnesota to testify FOR IRV to lawmakers there. Cary town council was rushed into IRV pilot. This year they said no after several public hearings. They said public input was half and half but fuzzy math was not worth it. The FairVote talking points were used to sell IRV. Pierce Co certainly learned that the claim of majority wins and cost savings were not true. Cary, NC learned the hard way that it did not improve elections and reduced debate and clear choice of top two. FairVote has a 50 state strategy, they do the same thing state after state. If no one speaks up, jurisdictions learn the hard way and election integrity is harmed. Many compromises in transparency have to be made in order to enable IRV. It isn't worth it. Rob Richie says a majority of Cary, NC voters polled said they liked IRV. There's an interesting story about FairVote's involvement in that exit poll here: http://instantrunoff.blogspot.com/2009/08/slanting-exit-poll-of-carys-instant.html Rob Richie says people like IRV. Well, anti-freeze tastes good but you shouldn't drink it either. The big problem is that a significant % of voters do not understand IRV: An exit poll (conducted using IRV advocates) of Hendersonville NC voters in 2007 indicated that one third of voters came to the polls unprepared to rank their choices. In Cary, North Carolina's 2008 bi-annual citizen survey, 30.6% did not understand IRV, and 22.0% polled did not understand IRV at all. That is shocking when you consider that Cary has the most Ph.D.s per capita in the U.S. for towns larger than 75,000 people http://irvbad4nc.blogspot.com/2009_09_01_archive.html And it doesn't get better. July 3, 08 San Francisco Grand Jury Report: poll workers and voters do not understand instant runoff, voting machines not yet certified.... Grand Jury Report http://www.sfgov.org/site/uploadedfiles/courts/divisions/Civil_Grand_Jury/year-of-five-elections-for-sf.pdf FairVote strategy is same in all 50 states.
FairVote NC set up shop. Cary NC in Wake Co was first volunteer for IRV.
The then Wake Co BoE Chairman (now former chairman).daughter in law was also the Director of FairVoteNC. The former chairman was a big supporter and flew to Minnesota to testify FOR IRV to lawmakers there.
Cary town council was rushed into IRV pilot. This year they said no after several public hearings. They said public input was half and half but fuzzy math was not worth it.

The FairVote talking points were used to sell IRV. Pierce Co certainly learned that the claim of majority wins and cost savings were not true.
Cary, NC learned the hard way that it did not improve elections and reduced debate and clear choice of top two.

FairVote has a 50 state strategy, they do the same thing state after state.
If no one speaks up, jurisdictions learn the hard way and election integrity is harmed. Many compromises in transparency have to be made in order to enable IRV. It isn't worth it.

Rob Richie says a majority of Cary, NC voters polled said they liked IRV. There's an interesting story about FairVote's involvement in that exit poll here:
http://instantrunoff.blogspot.com/2009/08/slanting-exit-poll-of-carys-instant.html

Rob Richie says people like IRV.
Well, anti-freeze tastes good but you shouldn't drink it either.

The big problem is that a significant % of voters do not understand IRV:

An exit poll (conducted using IRV advocates) of Hendersonville NC voters in 2007 indicated that one third of voters came to the polls unprepared to rank their choices. In Cary, North Carolina's 2008 bi-annual citizen survey, 30.6% did not understand IRV, and 22.0% polled did not understand IRV at all. That is shocking when you consider that Cary has the most Ph.D.s per capita in the U.S. for towns larger than 75,000 people
http://irvbad4nc.blogspot.com/2009_09_01_archive.html

And it doesn't get better.

July 3, 08 San Francisco Grand Jury Report: poll workers and voters do not understand instant runoff, voting machines not yet certified.... Grand Jury Report
http://www.sfgov.org/site/uploadedfiles/courts/divisions/Civil_Grand_Jury/year-of-five-elections-for-sf.pdf

]]> By: sloremodeler http://blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/2009/10/15/pierce-charter-amendemnt-supporters-opponents-squabble-over-campaign-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-543 sloremodeler Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:40:42 +0000 http://blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/?p=730#comment-543 Dennyknowles: I couldn't agree more with your assessment. I just received a campaign piece that talks about repealing RCV by essentially voting in support of all three ballot measures! Basically, they make it sound like if you hate RCV - you should vote yes for Prop 1,2 & 3. Your right Denny - bait & switch. Bunney is trying to secure a job living off of the taxpayers for at least 6 more years. Let’s see, Shawn was a staff person @ Pierce County for over 15 years before running for the Council. His wife also works for a non-profit that gets most of its' funding from government support, of which Bunney gets to vote for when they adopt the budget. The Bunney's love tax-payer $$. I just hope the citizens can see thru this bait & switch. Dennyknowles: I couldn't agree more with your assessment. I just received a campaign piece that talks about repealing RCV by essentially voting in support of all three ballot measures! Basically, they make it sound like if you hate RCV - you should vote yes for Prop 1,2 & 3. Your right Denny - bait & switch. Bunney is trying to secure a job living off of the taxpayers for at least 6 more years. Let’s see, Shawn was a staff person @ Pierce County for over 15 years before running for the Council. His wife also works for a non-profit that gets most of its' funding from government support, of which Bunney gets to vote for when they adopt the budget. The Bunney's love tax-payer $$. I just hope the citizens can see thru this bait & switch.
]]> By: Exidor http://blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/2009/10/15/pierce-charter-amendemnt-supporters-opponents-squabble-over-campaign-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-536 Exidor Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:07:48 +0000 http://blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/?p=730#comment-536 Its very flattering that activist from NC and activist/marketing for fairvote are making arguments about IRV/RCV for us in little old Pierce County. This is a Pierce County issue that will be decided by Pierce County voters. What the majority of people vote is what we will have and it is that simple. If the people of PC want RCV then they will vote to keep it, if they dont want it, they will vote it out. Either way, people on at least 1 side are going to be angry and hurt because they didnt get their way. From what I hear, a very large majority of Pierce County voters hated RCV. They are the ones that will decide. Dont trust the polls regardless of how they swing, talk to the real people. Its very flattering that activist from NC and activist/marketing for fairvote are making arguments about IRV/RCV for us in little old Pierce County. This is a Pierce County issue that will be decided by Pierce County voters. What the majority of people vote is what we will have and it is that simple. If the people of PC want RCV then they will vote to keep it, if they dont want it, they will vote it out. Either way, people on at least 1 side are going to be angry and hurt because they didnt get their way. From what I hear, a very large majority of Pierce County voters hated RCV. They are the ones that will decide. Dont trust the polls regardless of how they swing, talk to the real people.
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